Re: An interesting application of the no religious decisions principle of First Amendment law

2009-10-09 Thread Vance R. Koven
It may just be residual morning fog on my brain, but why wouldn't estoppel
be a secular principle by which a court could determine that, whether or not
the parties were validly married under Hindu custom in 1952, if for fifty
some-odd years they behaved as though they had been, then nobody is now in a
position to challenge that marriage?
Vance

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Volokh, Eugene vol...@law.ucla.edu wrote:

  *Madireddy v. 
 Madireddy*http://www.nycourts.gov/reporter/3dseries/2009/2009_07232.htm,
 decided Tuesday (and to my knowledge not covered by any other media) by a
 New York intermediate appellate court:

 In an action for a divorce and ancillary relief, the defendant appeals, and
 the intervenor separately appeals, by permission, from an order of the
 Supreme Court, Nassau County (Falanga, J.), dated September 9, 2008, which,
 after a nonjury trial, determined that the plaintiff and the defendant were
 validly married in India in 1952.

 ORDERED that the order is reversed, on the law, with one bill of costs, and
 the complaint is dismissed.

 The defendant correctly contends that a determination as to whether he and
 the plaintiff were married in a valid Hindu ceremony in India in 1952
 improperly involves the court in a religious matter. Such a determination
 cannot be made on the basis of neutral principles of law. “The neutral
 principles of law’ approach requires the court to apply objective, well
 established principles of secular law to the issues.”

 The parties’ marriage allegedly took place in 1952, prior to the enactment
 in India of the Hindu Marriage Act of 1955, which codified Hindu Law
 relating to marriage and divorce.

 The validity of the parties’ alleged marriage, entered into in 1952, must
 be determined by analyzing the various and customary rites, customs, and
 practices of the Hindu religion of a particular caste in a particular
 region. This analysis is entrenched in religious doctrine and cannot be
 resolved by the application of neutral principles of law. When a religious
 dispute cannot be resolved by application of neutral principles of law,
 without reference to religious principles, the First Amendment to the United
 States Constitution prevents the court from resolving the issue. “Such
 rulings violate the First Amendment because they simultaneously establish
 one religious belief as correct for the organization while interfering with
 the free exercise of the opposing faction’s beliefs.”

 The Supreme Court determined which ceremonies are sufficient and necessary
 for a valid Hindu marriage between members of the Reddy caste of Sudras in
 the region of Andhra Pradesh, India, in 1952. This is a distinctly religious
 determination. The court essentially determined that performance of the
 ceremonies testified to by the plaintiff constitute a valid Hindu marriage
 between these parties, and that the defendant’s assertions to the contrary
 are incorrect. Thus, the Supreme Court was called upon to settle a religious
 controversy, not only to interpret and apply Indian law. “[T]his court is
 without jurisdiction to consider this issue because to do so would require
 the court to review and interpret religious doctrine and resolve the
 parties’ religious dispute, which the court is proscribed from doing under
 the First Amendment entanglement doctrine.” Accordingly, the order must be
 reversed and the complaint dismissed.

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An interesting application of the no religious decisions principle of First Amendment law

2009-10-08 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Madireddy v. 
Madireddyhttp://www.nycourts.gov/reporter/3dseries/2009/2009_07232.htm, 
decided Tuesday (and to my knowledge not covered by any other media) by a New 
York intermediate appellate court:
In an action for a divorce and ancillary relief, the defendant appeals, and the 
intervenor separately appeals, by permission, from an order of the Supreme 
Court, Nassau County (Falanga, J.), dated September 9, 2008, which, after a 
nonjury trial, determined that the plaintiff and the defendant were validly 
married in India in 1952.

ORDERED that the order is reversed, on the law, with one bill of costs, and the 
complaint is dismissed.

The defendant correctly contends that a determination as to whether he and the 
plaintiff were married in a valid Hindu ceremony in India in 1952 improperly 
involves the court in a religious matter. Such a determination cannot be made 
on the basis of neutral principles of law. The neutral principles of law' 
approach requires the court to apply objective, well established principles of 
secular law to the issues.

The parties' marriage allegedly took place in 1952, prior to the enactment in 
India of the Hindu Marriage Act of 1955, which codified Hindu Law relating to 
marriage and divorce.

The validity of the parties' alleged marriage, entered into in 1952, must be 
determined by analyzing the various and customary rites, customs, and practices 
of the Hindu religion of a particular caste in a particular region. This 
analysis is entrenched in religious doctrine and cannot be resolved by the 
application of neutral principles of law. When a religious dispute cannot be 
resolved by application of neutral principles of law, without reference to 
religious principles, the First Amendment to the United States Constitution 
prevents the court from resolving the issue. Such rulings violate the First 
Amendment because they simultaneously establish one religious belief as correct 
for the organization while interfering with the free exercise of the opposing 
faction's beliefs.

The Supreme Court determined which ceremonies are sufficient and necessary for 
a valid Hindu marriage between members of the Reddy caste of Sudras in the 
region of Andhra Pradesh, India, in 1952. This is a distinctly religious 
determination. The court essentially determined that performance of the 
ceremonies testified to by the plaintiff constitute a valid Hindu marriage 
between these parties, and that the defendant's assertions to the contrary are 
incorrect. Thus, the Supreme Court was called upon to settle a religious 
controversy, not only to interpret and apply Indian law. [T]his court is 
without jurisdiction to consider this issue because to do so would require the 
court to review and interpret religious doctrine and resolve the parties' 
religious dispute, which the court is proscribed from doing under the First 
Amendment entanglement doctrine. Accordingly, the order must be reversed and 
the complaint dismissed.
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