Re: Mean hoax (these things happen too often)
Let's not forget this one: Colonel Sanders of Kentucky Fried Chicken fame left a will specifying that 10% of KFC's profits be given to the Ku Klux Klan. Read about it here: http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/sanders.asp On 8/25/05 2:16 AM, Will Linden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember the hooraw about the purported memo supposedly leaked from Vice-President Agnew's office about Nixon's plans to cancel the election and repeal the Bill of Rights? How often have you seen the Hitler law and order speech fabrication? How many times have you received forwarded versions of the petition to prevent World War III and other such? (Note snopes.com's remarks on slacktivism.) Was this because the secular left is particularly susceptible to such disinformation? (Bracing for cries of that was DIFFERENT!) At 06:43 PM 8/24/05 -0500, you wrote: Particularly susceptible? Is this like when the Washington Post said that followers of the religious right are largely poor, uneducated, and easy to command? The FACT is that there are a ton of e-mail hoaxes out there. I get them sent to me. Things like this as well as warnings about a tax on e-mail or offers from Microsoft that will earn you money for everyone you forward an e-mail to, etc. Not all (or even most) of the hoaxes I get have anything to do with the Christian nation. Rather than it being about the general low intellect of conservative Christians that you seem to be inferring, it's about people IN GENERAL not checking chain e-mails at Snopes or similar sites. People get e-mails from friends and family and assume the information is correct. But that is by no means unique to the rank and file of the religious right. Could it be your response says more about the stereotypes you are holding than about who does or doesn't forward chain e-mails without checking them out? Brad Pardee Ed Brayton wrote: This is an old hoax. I've had it forwarded to me probably a dozen times over the last few years and even took the time to debunk it on my blog, as have many others. For some reason, the rank and file of the religious right seem particularly susceptible to this sort of nonsense and they tend to forward them on with all the appropriate howls of outrage to all of their friends and family. There are also probably a dozen different variations of the Christian Nation email that is forwarded among the same people, complete with a dozen or so fake quotations allegedly from the founding fathers and lots of historical ignorance. ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 8/24/05 ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
Mean hoax (these things happen too often)
Title: Message I've been a member of the ACLU since 1979(the Skokie situation made it clearthey were committed to basic civil rights even when it had negative impact on their donations) -- I don't agree with all their positions (same as with my church), butI believethey are honest (like my church). -Original Message-From: Michael Camfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:29 PMTo: Gibbens, Daniel G.Subject: RE: curiosity Dear Professor Gibbens: Thank you for your inquiry to the ACLU of Oklahoma. The message you forwarded is a hoax perpetrated by people who have no compunction about bearing false witness. There is no Lucius Traveler who works for the ACLU. The Traveler surname was probably selected by the hoaxer as an inflammatory reference to communists and their so called fellow travelers. The name of Lucius was probably chosen because the hoaxer thought it sounded sinister. Sincerely, Michael Camfield, Development Director ACLU of Oklahoma From: Gibbens, Daniel G. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 12:38 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: curiosity Good people: This email came to me. Before I respond, I want to make sure this is an accurate report of the identity of the ACLU spokesman, and of his quote. As you probably know, ACLU people are indeed misquoted sometimes. And if any additional details are available, I'd like them. Thanks! Daniel G. Gibbens Regents' Professor of Law Emeritus University of Oklahoma [THE EMAIL:]Subject: Fw: (no subject)What's wrong with this picture? [Located here is a beautiful picture which is accurately described in the following lines. This list won't take it -- too many bytes. If you email me directly, I'll forward it to you.]If you look closely at the picture above, you will note that all the Marines pictured are bowing their heads. That's because they're praying. This incident took place at a recent ceremony honoring the birthday of the corps, and it has the ACLU up in arms. "These are federal employees," says Lucius Traveler, a spokesman for the ACLU, "on federal property and on federal time. For them to pray is clearly an establishment of religion, and we must nip this in the bud immediately." When asked about the ACLU's charges, Colonel Jack Fessender, speaking for the Commandant of the Corps said (cleaned up a bit), "Screw the ACLU." GOD Bless Our Warriors, Send the ACLU to France. Please send this to people you know so everyone will know how stupid the ACLU is Getting in trying to remove GOD from everything and every place in America. May God Bless America, One Nation Under GOD! What's wrong with the picture? ABSOLUTELY NOTHINGGOD BLESS YOU FOR PASSING IT ON! Amen!I am sorry but I am not breaking this one.Let us pray [What follows is another beautiful picture of two marines in prayer, with the words "Remember Their Sacrifice"]Prayer "Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as theyprotect us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts theyperform for us in our time of need. I ask this in the name of Jesus, ourLord and Savior. Amen." Prayer Request: When you receive this, please stop for a moment and say aprayer for our troops around the world. Of all the gifts you could give a US Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine others deployed in harm's way,Prayer is the very best one . ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
Re: Mean hoax (these things happen too often)
Title: Message This is an old hoax. I've had it forwarded to me probably a dozen times over the last few years and even took the time to debunk it on my blog, as have many others. For some reason, the rank and file of the religious right seem particularly susceptible to this sort of nonsense and they tend to forward them on with all the appropriate howls of outrage to all of their friends and family. There are also probably a dozen different variations of the "Christian Nation" email that is forwarded among the same people, complete with a dozen or so fake quotations allegedly from the founding fathers and lots of historical ignorance. Ed Brayton Gibbens, Daniel G. wrote: I've been a member of the ACLU since 1979(the Skokie situation made it clearthey were committed to basic civil rights even when it had negative impact on their donations) -- I don't agree with all their positions (same as with my church), butI believethey are honest (like my church). -Original Message- From: Michael Camfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:29 PM To: Gibbens, Daniel G. Subject: RE: curiosity Dear Professor Gibbens: Thank you for your inquiry to the ACLU of Oklahoma. The message you forwarded is a hoax perpetrated by people who have no compunction about bearing false witness. There is no Lucius Traveler who works for the ACLU. The Traveler surname was probably selected by the hoaxer as an inflammatory reference to communists and their so called fellow travelers. The name of Lucius was probably chosen because the hoaxer thought it sounded sinister. Sincerely, Michael Camfield, Development Director ACLU of Oklahoma From: Gibbens, Daniel G. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 12:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: curiosity Good people: This email came to me. Before I respond, I want to make sure this is an accurate report of the identity of the ACLU spokesman, and of his quote. As you probably know, ACLU people are indeed misquoted sometimes. And if any additional details are available, I'd like them. Thanks! Daniel G. Gibbens Regents' Professor of Law Emeritus University of Oklahoma [THE EMAIL:]Subject: Fw: (no subject) What's wrong with this picture? [Located here is a beautiful picture which is accurately described in the following lines. This list won't take it -- too many bytes. If you email me directly, I'll forward it to you.] If you look closely at the picture above, you will note that all the Marines pictured are bowing their heads. That's because they're praying. This incident took place at a recent ceremony honoring the birthday of the corps, and it has the ACLU up in arms. "These are federal employees," says Lucius Traveler, a spokesman for the ACLU, "on federal property and on federal time. For them to pray is clearly an establishment of religion, and we must nip this in the bud immediately." When asked about the ACLU's charges, Colonel Jack Fessender, speaking for the Commandant of the Corps said (cleaned up a bit), "Screw the ACLU." GOD Bless Our Warriors, Send the ACLU to France. Please send this to people you know so everyone will know how stupid the ACLU is Getting in trying to remove GOD from everything and every place in America. May God Bless America, One Nation Under GOD! What's wrong with the picture? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING GOD BLESS YOU FOR PASSING IT ON! Amen! I am sorry but I am not breaking this one.Let us pray [What follows is another beautiful picture of two marines in prayer, with the words "Remember Their Sacrifice"] Prayer "Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they protect us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform for us in our time of need. I ask this in the name of Jesus, our Lord and Savior. Amen." Prayer Request: When you receive this, please stop for a moment and say a prayer for our troops around the world. Of all the gifts you could give a US Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine others deployed in harm's way, Prayer is the very best one . ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - Release Date: 8/23/05 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - Release Date: 8/23/05 ___ To post, send
Re: Mean hoax (these things happen too often)
Particularly susceptible? Is this like when the Washington Post said that followers of the religious right are largely poor, uneducated, and easy to command? The FACT is that there are a ton of e-mail hoaxes out there. I get them sent to me. Things like this as well as warnings about a tax on e-mail or offers from Microsoft that will earn you money for everyone you forward an e-mail to, etc. Not all (or even most) of the hoaxes I get have anything to do with the Christian nation. Rather than it being about the general low intellect of conservative Christians that you seem to be inferring, it's about people IN GENERAL not checking chain e-mails at Snopes or similar sites. People get e-mails from friends and family and assume the information is correct. But that is by no means unique to the rank and file of the religious right. Could it be your response says more about the stereotypes you are holding than about who does or doesn't forward chain e-mails without checking them out? Brad Pardee Ed Brayton wrote: This is an old hoax. I've had it forwarded to me probably a dozen times over the last few years and even took the time to debunk it on my blog, as have many others. For some reason, the rank and file of the religious right seem particularly susceptible to this sort of nonsense and they tend to forward them on with all the appropriate howls of outrage to all of their friends and family. There are also probably a dozen different variations of the Christian Nation email that is forwarded among the same people, complete with a dozen or so fake quotations allegedly from the founding fathers and lots of historical ignorance.___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
Re: Mean hoax (these things happen too often)
Brad M Pardee wrote: "Particularly susceptible"? Is this like when the Washington Post said that followers of the religious right are "largely poor, uneducated, and easy to command"? The FACT is that there are a ton of e-mail hoaxes out there. I get them sent to me. Things like this as well as warnings about a tax on e-mail or offers from Microsoft that will earn you money for everyone you forward an e-mail to, etc. Not all (or even most) of the hoaxes I get have anything to do with the "Christian nation". Rather than it being about the general low intellect of conservative Christians that you seem to be inferring, it's about people IN GENERAL not checking chain e-mails at Snopes or similar sites. People get e-mails from friends and family and assume the information is correct. But that is by no means unique to "the rank and file of the religious right". Could it be your response says more about the stereotypes you are holding than about who does or doesn't forward chain e-mails without checking them out? I didn't say it was unique to the rank and file religious right, I said that they seem particularly susceptible to them. I base this solely on my personal experience and fully recognize that it's not a rigorous statement backed up by data. For every "email tax" hoax email I've seen a dozen of these anti-ACLU or "Christian Nation" emails. It may be just a sample problem, but I've seen much the same thing spread out over a wide range of subjects among the same group of people. I've certainly seen it in the evolution/creationism debate where not a week goes by that I'm not emailed by someone making the same claims that have been discredited time and time and time again, from "there's not enough dust on the moon" to the Paluxy "manprints" to "evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics". These myths just never seem to die among the rank and file, even decades after the more educated creationists admitted they were false (or even debunked them themselves, in some cases).Likewise, the myth of Washington's "prayer journal" will never die, despite the fact that it has been debunked countless times by historians. These myths fit into this particular view of the world, so they are accepted credulously by millions of people and are passed along in one breathless email after another. I'm sure that there are similar myths out there passed along by other groups, but my personal experience is with this particular group. Does that mean that all conservative Christians fit that description? Absolutely not, nor would I ever claim they do. That's why I specified "rank and file" rather than conservative Christian intellectuals and why I said "seem particularly susceptible" rather than "unanimously and uniformly are fooled by". Ed Brayton No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - Release Date: 8/23/05 ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
