[Repeater-Builder] How to Buy a New Repeater Station: Radio Buying 101
I want to share with this list my recent experience in buying a new and complete MTR2000 Repeater Station. One of my Personal Rules is that I never pay sticker price for cars or anything else. I digress: Several years ago, when I was shopping for a sporty car for my wife, I looked at a (then new) 1979 Mazda RX-7 that actually had a dealer-applied sticker that was $2,000 ABOVE the factory sticker price! When the salesman came out to try to sell me on the car, I informed him that not only was I NOT going to pay $2,000 above the sticker price, I was going to pay about $1,200 BELOW the sticker price. We entered into a lot of haggling, in which the Sales Manager participated, but I did get my car for about $3,000 below the window price- but I got a complete set of Mazda service manuals as part of the deal (a $250 value!) I bring this anecdote up, because I believe that many individuals and clubs (apparently) pay whatever the ONE dealer quotes them for commercial-grade repeaters. I use a different tack. I put together a specific list of equipment I require, and I ask several dealers to submit a quote for EXACTLY the equipment I specified, inclusive of all taxes and shipping charges. There is no room whatsoever for add-ins, options, and hidden charges. When I recently sent out an RFQ (Request for Quotation) for a T5544/T5766 MTR2000 Repeater Station to six different Motorola dealers, I received quotes ranging from $3923 to $5150. That's a range of $1,200! One of the dealers had the gall to claim that his quote was highly competitive. NOT! His quote was among the highest, and at a level I consider to be gouging. I have no doubt that some individuals and clubs will pay this guy whatever he asks, and if these shoppers don't have the common sense to shop around, they deserve to be gouged. If and when you or your club decides to purchase a new commercial-grade repeater, make these dealers fight for your business! I know that the dealers who do a few million bucks a month in radio sales can afford to give you a low-margin bid, but any dealer who wants to BUILD his or her business must seek out low-margin sales in order to achieve that status. Moreover, don't feel that you have to keep some shyster in business! I always include Houston Communications and Delmmar Communications in any RFQ I issue. Not surprisingly, one or the other of these two companies get most of my business. DISCLAIMER: I have no financial connection to either of these companies; I am merely a satisfied customer of both. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] How to Buy a New Repeater Station: Radio Buying 101
On Sun, 09 May 2004 19:25:42 -0700, Eric Lemmon wrote: I put together a specific list of equipment I require, and I ask several dealers to submit a quote for EXACTLY the equipment I specified, inclusive of all taxes and shipping charges. Funny, I do the same thing with cars. My first was a '78 Mustang which I still have. Called 6 dealers, 3 local and 3 in Toronto. One of the dealers in Toronto got the deal by a margin of 3 or 4 hundred dollars. Doesn't sound like much but the NEW Mustang only cost me $4200 back in '78 :) It works for a lot of things. Tedd Doda, VE3TJD Lazer Audio and Electronics Baden, Ontario, Cana Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] How to Buy a New Repeater Station: Radio Buying 101
Tedd, Thanks for the vote of confidence, and congratulations on your success in car shopping! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Tedd Doda wrote: On Sun, 09 May 2004 19:25:42 -0700, Eric Lemmon wrote: I put together a specific list of equipment I require, and I ask several dealers to submit a quote for EXACTLY the equipment I specified, inclusive of all taxes and shipping charges. Funny, I do the same thing with cars. My first was a '78 Mustang which I still have. Called 6 dealers, 3 local and 3 in Toronto. One of the dealers in Toronto got the deal by a margin of 3 or 4 hundred dollars. Doesn't sound like much but the NEW Mustang only cost me $4200 back in '78 :) It works for a lot of things. Tedd Doda, VE3TJD Lazer Audio and Electronics Baden, Ontario, Cana Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] How to Buy a New Repeater Station: Radio Buying 101
As a former Motorola dealer employee, and a government purchaser of radios, Ialso found the same to be true. I bought a HT from the dealership as an employee (part-time). I liked the radio so much, I placed an order for 12 more for my fire department. The difference in price was several hundred dollars. I obtained bids from 2 other dealers, as the projected expense required it under the city rules. As a part-time employee, I bought the city radios from a competitor, at a savings of $100+ each. This was not a closed bid deal, and my employer was given the chance to match the price, but declined. On another note, I went shopping in 1994 for a Pontiac Sunbird. The model/option combination was found via the vehicle locator system, and the dealership would not budge on their price. I was able to read the name of the dealer that actually had the vehicle and drive the 70 miles to it. I bought it there, for a savings of $1400. This was not a similar car, but the exact same car! Chris Wilkie W1LKE Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] How to Buy a New Repeater Station: Radio Buying 101
Chris, You have given credence to what has been a little-known dirty secret. Thank you for adding a vote for consumer awareness in the marketplace. Caveat Emptor! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] MSR 2000
Does anyone have the tuning info online that can be downloaded? -- Amateur Radio W4HNK EM92vx Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Help Needed with UHF Micor PA TLE1713A
What alterations need to be done in the sensing circuits, What I have done exactly was convert these 2-watt repeaters to 75 watt with a high power PA I had. Where would I find the info on the sensing circuits?? I don't see a problem on the bench into a dummy load, I am getting full power out of both of them. Thanks, Brian - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Help Needed with UHF Micor PA TLE1713A Brian, I, too, have a 2-watt UHF Micor repeater (it was used on an oil platform) which is essentially a 12-watt PA with an attenuator to soak up the excess power. My reason for posting is to alert you to the fact that the forward and reverse power sensing circuits are different between the 2W and 12W PAs, so if you bypass the attenuator you must also alter the sensing circuits to avoid some downstream grief. Since you have the manual, this should not be a problem for you. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Brian wrote: I figured it out. The repeaters I have were 2watt versions and I had to bypass the attenuator. Thanks for the info. It helps when you have the manual, which I did not have until today. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSR 2000 UHF
Yes, it will. skipp www.radiowrench.com John Place [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would like to know if the UHF version will tune down like the vhf unit without mods? -- Amateur Radio W4HNK EM92vx Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Spectrum Communications
All the Spectrum Communications badmouthing proves that word can get around when you treat people bad. With a few minor issues that I've resolved, I've had good service from most all my Spectrum Radio Equipment. Including a 224 repeater on the air for some years now. When you buy any used gear, half the battle is finding the circuit diagrams. Friends tell friends that used flea market electronic equipment is always caveat emptor, regardless of the brand. You didn't say how much the seller wanted for the Repeater, but for the right price, I would have bought it, fixed any problems and used it somewhere. At Dayton, there's just rows and rows of this kind of fun. cheers skipp Jeff Otterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I saw that Spectrum 220 repeater, too. In fact, a friend almost bought it. But friends don't let friends buy Spectrum, so it turned out OK. Jeff Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Error
At 11:37 AM 5/10/2004 -0600, you wrote: For further details see the attachment. ---Personally I think anyone who's connected to the internet should be required BY LAW to have a valid virus scanner with all the current updates. If they don't, they should be shot Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Error
Last time I was at Costco, could buy Norton Internet Security for $50 something with a $15 mail-in rebate. Neil Ken Arck wrote: At 11:37 AM 5/10/2004 -0600, you wrote: For further details see the attachment. ---Personally I think anyone who's connected to the internet should be required BY LAW to have a valid virus scanner with all the current updates. If they don't, they should be shot Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Syntor X as a repeater?
Steve As Jim wrote a Syntor X cannot be made into a repeater but makes a dandy two meter mobile or base station using the Piexx mod kit. You could possibly make a repeater using two units, one as a receiver and one as a transmitter. If you desire more details of the Piexx mod you see my e-mail address. 73's de Tom Manning, AF4UG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim B. wrote: ki0ky wrote: Can a Syntor X, Id No. T73VBK7004BK, be converted to a 2M ham repeater. If so, how difficult is the conversion? 73, Steve KI0KY No. There is only one synthesizer, and it cannot generate tx and rx at the same time. This will be true for virtually all synthesized radios, unless it was specifically made as a repeater from the factory. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSR 2000
look for a mitrek manual...they are the same ! - Original Message - From: John Place [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 12:21 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSR 2000 Does anyone have the tuning info online that can be downloaded? -- Amateur Radio W4HNK EM92vx Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Error
PSST we have enough laws in this country Neil McKie wrote: Last time I was at Costco, could buy Norton Internet Security for $50 something with a $15 mail-in rebate. Neil Ken Arck wrote: At 11:37 AM 5/10/2004 -0600, you wrote: For further details see the attachment. ---Personally I think anyone who's connected to the internet should be required BY LAW to have a valid virus scanner with all the current updates. If they don't, they should be shot Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Error
Hey Ken, Are you going to Dayton this year? I'd like to meet up and have you take a look at what I have been working on. Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/10/2004, 07:42:46 PM: At 11:37 AM 5/10/2004 -0600, you wrote: For further details see the attachment. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Vertex 5000 VHF
I have a Manuel on order for a Vertex 5000 VHF repeater. Can anyone tell me the proper way to tune the receive for the2 meter ham band. 146.040 mhz. Thanks, in advance Al Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Syntor X as a repeater?
Or has two separate synthesizers: one for receive and one for transmit. Neil - WA6KLA Jim B. wrote: ki0ky wrote: Can a Syntor X, Id No. T73VBK7004BK, be converted to a 2M ham repeater. If so, how difficult is the conversion? 73, Steve KI0KY No. There is only one synthesizer, and it cannot generate tx and rx at the same time. This will be true for virtually all synthesized radios, unless it was specifically made as a repeater from the factory. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Error - bug
Relax guys; the mods get 12x as many as actually sneak onto the list. Query bl.spamcop.net - 65.101.212.7 = is 65-101-212-7.dnvr.qwest.net Translates to Qwest user / Denver Anybody wanna fess up ?? At least, clean up. http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/[EMAIL PROTECTED] oval.tool.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] is so... two months ago... [ AV Updated on: March 31, 2004 11:58:01 AM ] R Scott Gilmore N8BQN Saginaw MI USA Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give him the internet, and he'll leave you alone for weeks. - Forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 11:50:52 -0600 Subject: [spam] hi Received: from unknown (HELO yahoogroups.com) (65.101.212.7) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2004 17:50:42 - MIME-Version: 1.0 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.101.212.7 - Forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 11:37:41 -0600 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Error Received: from unknown (HELO yahoogroups.com) (65.101.212.7) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2004 17:37:31 - X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.101.212.7 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Spectrum S7R
They'd be MUCH better off getting a 220mhz conversion of a Master II or a Micor from repeater-builder. It's just a better radio to start with. As my dad used to say about folks who build houses it doesn't matter how skilled the plasterer is if the wall falls over. See http://www.repeater-builder.com/ge/mastrII220conversion.html or http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/micor220conversion.html The only change I'd make is that if a preamp was needed I'd use an AngleLinear - but then I'm biased. Chip makes GOOD stuff. http://www.anglelinear.com Mike WA6ILQ At 12:15 PM 5/10/04 -0400, you wrote: Hey guys. OK, I know there is a lot of stuff going around about these guys, but one of the clubs around here asked the question so I figured I'd pass it on. They wanna get an s7R for 220. Any thoughts? Anyone used one? I personally have my own idea on what they should use, but I figured I would ask anyways. Thanks, Jed Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
