[Repeater-Builder] Re: Mobile Duplexers

2005-01-14 Thread rrath

Jim can you give me more details, like what model # to look for. The 
only time it will be portable will be 2 times a year, for 2 one day 
events where no one repeater will get into. But setting it up on this 
one site covers the entire we need communications. Then it goes 
back to it normal site. This is a small Motorola GR 300 repeater 
mounted in a 42 tall GE cabinet. This unit puts out 15 watts - not 
high power.

Rod KC7VQR


Hi Jim, 
I really don't want to argue with you, but it can 
be done and I've done it numerous times. It all 
comes down to a number game (the specs) and a 
reasonable approach.  

I've used surplus Decibel mobile duplexer's in 
narrow split operation for years. If properly set 
up and secured, they should not detune. 

Portable two meter repeaters can work pretty well, if 
you approach the project with reasonable expectations. 

Many/most of the common flat-pack VHF duplexers are 
designed for wide splits.  Some combinations of the 
small  mid size Harris, Decibel, Sinclair and 
Phelps-Dodge packages can be set up or modified to 
operate narrow splits. The preformance will not be 
spectacular, but the repeater will work ok. 

cheers, 
skipp 
skipp025 at yahoo.com 
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[Repeater-Builder] kenwood tkr-820 to external controller

2005-01-14 Thread skipp025


Hi Fred, 

I would also be willing to offer up some help. 
I just completed a 3 channel voting system using 
the tkr-820 repeaters. 

By the way Juan, the signaling unit pin for 
TOR and the one next to it didn't supply Tone 
Indication logic.  I had to do it another way. 
I've also ordered a supply of latest revision 
hard copy tkr-820 manuals to have around. The 
various board revisions had me pulling hair 
for a time. 

cheers, 
skipp 
skipp025 at yahoo.com 
www.radiowrench.com/sonic 

 XE2SI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What will be the conroller, maybe I can help you, 
 have done it in few Repeaters
 from Kenwood and Motorola.
 Juan
   - Original Message - 
   From: Frederick E. Fitte 
   To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:56 PM
   Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: WTB: GMRS Repeater

   Has anyone interfaced an external controller to a 
 Kenwood TKR-820?
 
 I have one I would like to interface a  a controller 
 to and eliminate the internal unit.
   Any information would be appreciated.
 
   Regards,
   Fred
   WA2MMX







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Maxon SRC-40

2005-01-14 Thread Maire Company

only think I can say I had one they make from 2 mobiles and sent it back. 
the new one  not to sure about it.  We are a Maxon dealer but so far have 
not tried one.


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 Any comments on the Maxon SRC-40 repeater? Good or Bad.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: WTB: GMRS Repeater

2005-01-14 Thread Frederick E. Fitte






Hi Juan,

Tnx for the reply. You have an email and we can 
take off line? Have not decided on a controller although I like Micro Computer 
Conceptsout of Florida.

73's 


Fred

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  Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 6:18 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: WTB: 
  GMRS Repeater
  
  What will be the conroller, maybe I can help you, have done 
  it in few Repeaters
  from Kenwood and Motorola.
  Juan
  
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From: 
Frederick E. 
Fitte 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:56 
PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 
WTB: GMRS Repeater
Has anyone interfaced an external controller to a 
Kenwood TKR-820?I have one I would like to interface a a 
controller to and eliminate theinternal unit.Any information 
would be 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor PL Tx board request

2005-01-14 Thread Eric Lemmon

Gary,

Please advise the part number of the PL board you need, and/or the part
number of the exciter board it plugs onto.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

Gary K2UQ wrote

Would anyone be willing to swap or sell me the correct Micor Tx PL
deck?  The one I need has a pin spacing of about 3/8 inch.  The one I
have is pin spacing of 5/32 inch and has stamped TLN5731xxx. I do not
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: WTB: GMRS Repeater

2005-01-14 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ

Look at the Kenwood page at www.repeater-builder.com ...
the service manual is there, as is an article by AH6LE on
doing just what you are talking about.

Mike WA6ILQ

At 02:56 PM 1/13/05, you wrote:

Has anyone interfaced an external controller to a Kenwood TKR-820?

I have one I would like to interface a  a controller to and eliminate the
internal unit.

Any information would be appreciated.

Regards,

Fred
WA2MMX






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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: WTB: GMRS Repeater

2005-01-14 Thread N9WYS

Excellent question, Fred!!  (I wish I'd have thought of it...)  If you get a
reply from off-list, can you forward me a copy???  I also have a TKR-820,
and I'm thinking about doing the exact same thing!  (I found a CAT-300 in
storage I'd like to interface to it.)

Thanks!
Mark - N9WYS

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Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 4:56 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: WTB: GMRS Repeater
Has anyone interfaced an external controller to a Kenwood TKR-820?

I have one I would like to interface a  a controller to and eliminate the
internal unit.

Any information would be appreciated.

Regards,

Fred
WA2MMX





 
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[Repeater-Builder] Mike - K4IJ

2005-01-14 Thread Mark A. Tomany

Sorry for the bandwidth…  Mike - K4IJ asked me for tune-up instructions for
a UHF MSR2000.  I have what he wants.  His e-mail address is bouncing, so I’
m hoping that if he’s still receiving the list, he will get in touch with me
again.

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: connectors

2005-01-14 Thread Laryn Lohman


True, it has somethng to do with the fact that nickel is a magnetic
metal.  Read the explanation somewhere long ago, no clue where anymore.

Laryn K8TVZ


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 dissimiliar metals reaction with the body of the connector, which is in 
 turn an intermod source.
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mike - K4IJ

2005-01-14 Thread Jason Rausch


Mark, I just talked with Mike tonight on the phone and
he mentioned the repeater to me.  Email me and I'll
give you his number.

Jason KE4NYV
www.ke4nyv.com
RPC Electronics
www.rpc-electronics.com


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 address is bouncing, so I’
 m hoping that if he’s still receiving the list, he
 will get in touch with me
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[Repeater-Builder] Kenwood TKR-820

2005-01-14 Thread Brent

looking for the ctcss detect connection point on the Kenwoon TKR-820?
Anybody know this off hand. 
Thanks
Brent


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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: WTB: GMRS Repeater

2005-01-14 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ

Sorry, I goofed.  The service manuals and AH6LE writeup
is for a TKR-750/850.

Mike

At 06:08 PM 1/13/05, you wrote:

Look at the Kenwood page at www.repeater-builder.com ...
the service manual is there, as is an article by AH6LE on
doing just what you are talking about.

Mike WA6ILQ

At 02:56 PM 1/13/05, you wrote:

 Has anyone interfaced an external controller to a Kenwood TKR-820?
 
 I have one I would like to interface a  a controller to and eliminate the
 internal unit.
 
 Any information would be appreciated.
 
 Regards,
 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Mobile Duplexers

2005-01-14 Thread no6b1


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Some of the newer flat pack duplexers will do it. they will go down
to 400
 kHz but you are limited to 50 watts and you only get 60 to 70 DB but
if you
 are using a couple of HT's it will work OK around a Hamfest.
 73 Russ,

FWIW, I tried substituting a pair of Icom HTs in place of my VHF MVP
for my 2.62 MHz split portapeater.  Didn't work at all even at only 1
W TX power: too much TX noise  poor RX dynamic range.  You need a
real radio.

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[Repeater-Builder] Repeater forsale!

2005-01-14 Thread russ








Hello All,
I have for sale one Kenwood TKR-850
not ver. two repeater for sale. I bought
it last fall and it works great. It is on GMRS
but I can program and tune it for Ham or
business band. I am up grading to the
larger Kenwood repeater so we can set up
simile cast and the TKR-850 will not work
for that project. I would like $1000.00 plus shipping and I will program it 
at no charge.
It looks brand new and works like it as well!
Please contact me direct off line. [EMAIL PROTECTED] or by phone 856-863-5685
Very best of 73,
Sincerely,Russ Stafford, EE,PE.GROL, PG-GB-01751.HAM, 
W3CH.GMRS, WPYK-254.
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Mobile Duplexers

2005-01-14 Thread no6b1


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi Jim, 
 I really don't want to argue with you, but it can 
 be done and I've done it numerous times. It all 
 comes down to a number game (the specs) and a 
 reasonable approach.  

I'd like to see the specs on what you've come up with.

A key advantage of the 2.5 MHz split that I use is that at that
spacing the G.E. RX front end has significant rejection: over 40 dB at
the TX freq., so it can work with as little at 40 dB of duplexer
rejection at the TX freq. 

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] connectors

2005-01-14 Thread Fred Seamans

You hit it squarely on the head! A PROPERLY INSTALLED CONNECTOR!
Both are good when installed correctly. It is amazing that some techs do not
know how to solder correctly and some will use any crimp tool to get the job
done in a hurry.
With one exception, a crimp connector will not last as long as a properly
installed soldered connector in off shore, salt water installations.
Fred
W5VAY
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From: Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] connectors



 One last comment on the subject.

 I today spoke with a guy that worked for TX/RX for many years. He is now
on
 his own and owns a consulting firm that specializes in RF Interference. He
 says that the crimp connectors are superior but adds the following -- 1.
 that the proper crimp tool MUST be used and that the center pin MUST be
 soldered, not crimped.

 No matter what, common sense dictates that a poorly installed connector of
 either style will perform poorly. Me thinks that this can be the
underlying
 problem in many cases where someone found a problem. Hey, if you just
happen
 to end up with a factory-installed connector that failed, it's quite
 possible it might have been a new employee, just learning.

 Chuck
 WB2EDV



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 Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 11:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] connectors


 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  As for the crimp or clamp style connector. If you look at many
  combining system you will notice that 95% of them use the CLAMP style
  connector. There must be a reason that MOST of the engineers for the
  companies prefer CLAMP over CRIMP. hmmm there must be a reason. I
  know that out of all the site we have here in the North West we use
  nothing but CLAMP.
 
  Mike  K7PFJ
 
  more major snippage
 
  Again, not true. The vast majority of them are CRIMP now. Motorola
  recommends them. M/A-Com recommends them. TX/RX does. Sinclair does.
  Scala does. etc, etc, etc...
  (Also it's not recommended to use 'N' connectors at power levels above
  100W above about 200 Mhz, but that's another issue.)
  --
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[Repeater-Builder] need some help

2005-01-14 Thread Donnie Q



I have just bought a 440 machine it is a ge master pro 2 in a full 
size cabinet. It has a rc-10 controller which i am going ot change. 
what i need is some input on preamps for the 440. and also 
controllers. maybe place some links up or send them to my email at 
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[Repeater-Builder] (Icom-2at) Portable Radio Repeaters

2005-01-14 Thread skipp025


Very true... or you need to park at least a decent front 
end on the receiver (and shield the radio in a metal box). 
Hamtronics makes a rather interesting (neat) helical filter 
preamp that does the job on some modest preformance receivers. 
(or get the helical without the preamp)

The wide band front end capacity of the Icom-2at portables 
are not happy with a transmitter nearby.  You have to 
provide more than the stock/factory front end protection 
to most portables... tis the nature of most portable 
radios. 

The MVP has a much better receiver front end vs the Icom 
Handheld. The Icom portables can be made to play in a 
poor mans repeater, but you will need to help the receiver 
survive the trip. 

There is no free lunch...

cheers,
skipp 
www.radiowrench.com/sonic 

 no6b1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Some of the newer flat pack duplexers will do it. 
  they will go down to 400 kHz but you are limited 
  to 50 watts and you only get 60 to 70 DB but if 
  you are using a couple of HT's it will work OK 
  around a Hamfest.
  73 Russ,
 
 FWIW, I tried substituting a pair of Icom HTs in place 
 of my VHF MVP for my 2.62 MHz split portapeater.  
 Didn't work at all even at only 1W TX power: too 
 much TX noise  poor RX dynamic range.  You need a
 real radio.
 
 Bob







 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood TKR-820

2005-01-14 Thread skipp025


Re: Kenwood TKR-820

Well... 

The logic output is an unbuffered line on the Signaling 
unit (the small repeater/ctcss controller board) uP. There 
are actually two lines, one labeled TOR and Tone, I believe 
they are next to each other.  The TOR line comes out to a 
small unused solder pad. It's all surface mount circuitry, 
so be extra carefull. 

[thank you to Juan for the inforatmion about the TOR line]

I tried to measure the transistion of the TOR line with 
various types of programming and signaling options. I 
could not get the TOR logic to change state.  

I have two or three revisions of the tkr-820 manual, 
some have different signaling board versions, it's 
possible one version might output a valid ctcss QT 
indication, but I have yet solve that issue. 

If your TOR logic functions, it would be possible to 
remove R38 (in the normal COR logic line), a zero ohm 
jumper/resistor and tie the regular COR logic to the 
TOR uP output. This mod is not for the faint of 
heart... R38 is a surface mount part on the under 
side of the pc board. 

The more practical fix: 
If you are using one valid ctcss tone, a com spec 
decoder on the Descrimnator output pin might be in 
order. 

I called Kenwood Tech Support (I'm an Authorized 
Kenwood Sales  Service Shop) and they faxed me over 
a small bit of information related to the accessory 
plug and some descriptions of the W jumpers on the 
Signaling board.  But nothing to address a Tone - 
Digital Code detect logic output. The Service Manuals 
I have here are bit thin on the W3/W4 and various 
jumper options. So I've ordered a few sets of new and 
current 820/720 repeater service manuals to resolve 
the board revision fun. 

Pin 13 of the accessory jack outputs a logic transition 
with any on frequency rx signal. Be carefull when 
interfacing they pin 13 voltage. It's a voltage 
transition of about ~ 3.95 volts no signal to about 
~ .4 volts with a received signal.  It's easy to 
damage the circuitry, so a buffer circuit should be 
built and used.  

I've designed what I call a universal cor circuit, 
which doesn't care what voltage transition a logic 
output line makes. You connect it to the circuit and 
quickly set one simple adjustment. The board output 
is known buffered logic output levels and operates 
from ~3.5 volt to 32.5 volt supplies without mods. 

More on this as the pc boards arrive... 

If you'd like to use a tkr-820 or tkr-720 with an 
external controller, program the repeater for carrier 
squelch, connect the controller to the accessory 
jack along with an external ctcss/dcs encoder/decoder 
board. There are three audio output signals on the 
jack, one is discriminator audio, one a gated 
receiver audio and the third is rmt speaker output.

Using the above, the Repeat, Monitor and Take-over 
buttons on the front panel will be in the out 
position. 

I'll look at the repeater builder text to see if 
any additional information is available. 

cheers, 
skipp 
skipp025 at yahoo.com 

ps:  Email me direct if you need a real hardcopy of 
the latest 720/820 manual. I expect to have them in 
stock next week. 


 Brent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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TKR-820?
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 Thanks
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[Repeater-Builder] GONE!

2005-01-14 Thread russ






Hello All,
The Kenwood TKR-850 that I listed this morning is gone! Sold it in about an 
hour.
The 26 outer folks who sent e-mail. Sorry
I only had the one for sale and it went so
fast! Good price I guess. Any way thank
you to all who replayed.
Very best of 73,
Sincerely,Russ Stafford, EE,PE.GROL, PG-GB-01751.HAM, 
W3CH.GMRS, WPYK-254.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A heads-up to repeater owners

2005-01-14 Thread Scott Zimmerman

It just figures. I don't read my e-mail for a few days and there is a
topic I can really offer some input about... OH Well, better late than never
I guess.

I have one of these receivers up at a local repeater and it works
wonderfully. I will try to get to the site today (Friday) and take some
pictures so I can build a page for the RB site that describes the interface
I made. It really works nice. I mounted a BNC on the back for an external
antenna connection and have a DB-9 mounted in the case for the connections
to the controller.

Please stand by..

Scott

Scott Zimmerman
Amateur Radio Call N3XCC
612 Barnett Rd
Boswell, PA 15531

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From: Mike Morris WA6ILQ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A heads-up to repeater owners



 At 02:48 AM 1/12/05, you wrote:

   The local NWS TX here is 250w (into a 10db stick), and
   it's on Mount Wilson at 5000 feet.
   Mike WA6ILQ
 
 you made a mistake. The NWS is on Mt lukens on .55
 and on Santiago peak, .450 IIRC.  On the Mt lukens NWS' ID it states
 located on Mt Lukens... It was moved there almost a year ago, better
 coverage in into Oxnard/ Ventura.
 
 Good idea on the RS NWS receiver, tho!

 Ok, it's 10 miles away at a 20-25 degree angle.  It's still 50db
 quieting on a 1 inch piece of wet kite string.

 Mike






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[Repeater-Builder] EPLRS System gone/moved

2005-01-14 Thread skipp025


The EPLRS System at Travis AFB (Northern California) 
has moved (gone) from the Repeater Portion of the 
420-450 band. 

skipp
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[Repeater-Builder] ACC RC-96

2005-01-14 Thread John J. Riddell






ACC RC-96 repeater Controllerfor 
sale
Includes AD-2 delay bd.

"Best offer"


John J. Riddell, VE3AMZ451 Cedarcliffe 
Dr.,Waterloo, Ontario, CanadaN2K 2J1













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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: WTB: GMRS Repeater

2005-01-14 Thread Frederick E. Fitte

Mike,

Did find some good info on the 820. Thanks for your help.

Fred
WA2MMX

- Original Message -
From: Mike Morris WA6ILQ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: WTB: GMRS Repeater



 Sorry, I goofed.  The service manuals and AH6LE writeup
 is for a TKR-750/850.

 Mike

 At 06:08 PM 1/13/05, you wrote:

 Look at the Kenwood page at www.repeater-builder.com ...
 the service manual is there, as is an article by AH6LE on
 doing just what you are talking about.
 
 Mike WA6ILQ
 
 At 02:56 PM 1/13/05, you wrote:
 
  Has anyone interfaced an external controller to a Kenwood TKR-820?
  
  I have one I would like to interface a  a controller to and eliminate
the
  internal unit.
  
  Any information would be appreciated.
  
  Regards,
  
  Fred
  WA2MMX
  
  
  
  
  
  
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