[Repeater-Builder] Re: repeater coax duplexer leads

2005-03-12 Thread no6b1


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Coy Hilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Yes, Run what ever it takes to get from the radio to the duplexer. 
> If the amp doesn't match the duplexer then build what some call a Z 
> matcher it is a Pi network and consists of 2 veriable caps and 1 
> inductor.

If an isolator is used between your TX & duplexer (always a good idea
especially at comm sites; some site managers require their use), it
doesn't matter what cable length you use.

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Hamtronics, Inc.

2005-03-12 Thread no6b1


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Neil McKie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>   Hello 
> 
> skipp025 wrote: 
> 
>   ... snip ... 
>  
> > The Mitrek version of this bare bones radio was sold
> > as a Motrek... same pc board, less parts.  "Great taste,
> > less filling". 
> 
>   Then there is the GE MVP radios ... Missing Valuable Parts ... 
> 
>   Neil - WA6KLA

What "valuable parts"?  Maybe 2 poles of IF filtering.  Same IF board
as the Mastr II, so that's easily added back in if needed.  I've only
bothered to do that on VHF MVPs that have to RX on 15 kHz-spaced channels.

Bob NO6B







 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: repeater coax duplexer leads

2005-03-12 Thread Coy Hilton


Yes, Run what ever it takes to get from the radio to the duplexer. 
If the amp doesn't match the duplexer then build what some call a Z 
matcher it is a Pi network and consists of 2 veriable caps and 1 
inductor. These things are way too simple to build to buy, and can 
be built for what you would pay for shipping for a commertial unit. 
Hent, look in most any ARRL Hand Book under low pass filters.
The ones that I build for my repeaters usually costs me about 6 to 8 
bucks each.
73

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Larry Kemper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Anyone have any idea what length of coax I should run from the 
transmitter and receiver to the duplexer?  I have a Sinclair Q2220E 
and freq of 147.225 Transmit.
> Any info about this will be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> WA0VUS
> Larry Kemper
> Muscatine, Iowa
> 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna

2005-03-12 Thread Mark Holman

Say Joe;
 Doesn't the sheilding have to be critical?, I don't have a spec 
manual of any sort but If you bought the coax  of a brand like Belden for 
example the specs will be there.

Just curious.

Mark Holman
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- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Montierth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna


>
>
> --- Laryn Lohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
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>> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Al Wolfe"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > I've always thought "good quality RG-8X" was
>> an oxymoron.
>> >
>> > < use good quality RG-8X type cable for>
>> >
>> > Al, K9SI
>>
>> Right Al, an oxymoron especially when used in duplex
>> service.  Any
>> braided coax used in duplex service should be silver
>> plated braid.
>>
>> Message 48346 from just a couple of days ago spells
>> out some of the
>> grief to be found when using RG-8X or any other
>> non-silver plated
>> cable in duplex service.  Good job Bob!
>>
>> Laryn K8TVZ
>
> I would mostly agree with this statement, but the
> person asking about this is looking for answers that
> will work in a specific application. I have used RG-8X
> and even RG-58 with excellent results in duplex
> systems, especially when the power is relatively low.
> I suppose the thing to do would be to use a DB-420 and
> 7/8 inch heliax, but this would be impractical for
> most mobile/portable repeater setups.
>
> There are lots of possiblities of things that could
> work for this application, I am only speculating on
> one thing that I personally know will work, not saying
> it is the best, or most desireable, but something that
> could be looked at for this particular scenario.
> Quarter inch or half inch superflex would work too,
> just don't know how much money a person has to invest
> in a particular project.
>
> People that are contemplating a project need to be
> given some direction by people who have done similiar
> things, that way everyone doesn't have to "re-invent
> the wheel". The more ideas people are given, the
> better they are able to asess which will fit their
> needs best. When someone categorically says "that
> won't work" I'm often first in line to see if it will
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna

2005-03-12 Thread Mark Holman

unless you wanna make your own like I did once took and bought a pipe flange 
to fit a TV mast into, and screwed the flange on to a 2 X 4  board.  I put a 
temp station up back in my 11 M. days used it as a base relay with a Mag III 
Base ant  during a river race of a 25 to 30 mile stretch . for creativity I 
had some really jealous people who could not be creative starting to well 
started to get bad mouthed... oh well..  :-)

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- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Perryman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna


>
> Bob,
> For a portable mast I would suggest going to your local RV center and 
> asking
> about one of their portable flag poles.  It has a small base approx. 12 x 
> 14
> inches (place it on the ground and drive your tire onto it), and a
> telescoping mast that locks into place with "push-pins".  We used one at 
> the
> pentagon for the 911 mess, and it worked out quite well.  Not terribly
> expensive, about 20 ft tall extended, about 6 foot collapsed.  Fairly
> rugged, and the base plate detaches for storage.
>
> 73's
> Mike Perryman
> www.k5jmp.us
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rtoplus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 6:25 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna
>
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>
>
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Joe Montierth
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Something you might look at would be one of the
>> lightweight fiberglass base station antennas made by
>> Antennex, Maxrad, etc. These only weigh about 4 or 5
>> pounds, you could also get several 6ft sections of
>> telescopic aluminum tubing to support it, much less
>> weight and size than the TV masting. For a short run
>> of cable like that, you could probably use good
>> quality RG-8X type cable for less weight and good
>> storability.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>
>
> Thanks Joe...Your comments and suggestions are kinda getting to the
> crux of the info and recommendations I'm looking for.  I think you
> grasp the idea.  Portability, storability, ease of deployment and
> dis-mantling/moved/re-deployed, simplicity of setup (could be very
> dark/rainy/snowy/windy/etc. with the best possible coverage is the
> idea.  I currently have one of the comtelco fiberglas base
> antennasdon't remember the model or specs but it's about 4' tall
> and couldn't weigh more than about 3 or 4 pounds tops.
>
> I'm not familiar with the aluminum telescopic stuff you're referring
> toany idea where this could be gotten and could it be stowed on
> my luggage rack ok?  Course, cost is a factor.
>
> I'm just trying to do as much as I can for emergency services/Red
> Cross/ARES/CERT/you name it in my area.
>
>
> Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: TK805

2005-03-12 Thread Neil McKie


  Skipp is correct, is the best way to go. 

  Neil - WA6KLA 

skipp025 wrote:
> 
> I'm a Kenwood Dealer Brent, if you have the
> part number for the parts you need from the
> service manual, it wouldn't be a problem to
> see if I can get them for you, or help you
> get them for yourself.
> 
> Email me direct...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> skipp
> skipp025 at yahoo.com
> www.radiowrench.com
> 
> > "Brent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Im in need of the load capacitance and calibration accuracy, for the
> crystal
> > in position  X1 which is on a freq of 33.845Mhz  in a TK-805 uhf mobile
> > Thanks
> > Brent
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Test equipment for sale

2005-03-12 Thread JOHN MACKEY

I sent him an e-mail saying I would buy one thing & we agreed to a paypal
transaction.  Then I e-mailed asking his callsign & he never replied.

Until I hear his callsign, I'm not sending any money.

-- Original Message --
Received: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:35:58 AM CST
From: Ken Arck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Test equipment for sale

> 
> Anyone had any luck in contacting this guy?
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> At 06:08 PM 3/7/2005 -, you wrote:
> Here are a couple more items I dug up for sale.
> >
> >
> >Tektronics 2246 4 channel 100MHZ Ocilloscope
> >manual, cover, and 2 probes included.
> >It has been tested and is in good working order.
> >
> >$200 plus $20 for shipping charges
> >
> >
> >
> >Bird Thruline model 43 wattmeter with hard case
> >included are 4 slugs
> >250watt 2-30MHZ
> >100watt 100-250MHZ
> >100watt 400-1000MHZ
> >50watt 25-60MHZ
> >comes in a foam lined plastic hard case
> >works well
> >
> >$200 plus $10 for shipping charges
> >
> >
> >
> >Cushman CE-50A/TG communications monitor
> >This is a white face model
> >operational up to 999MHZ
> >frequency generator
> >ocilloscope
> >tracking generator
> >many many more features!
> >This unit has a couple of minor issues.
> >the internal battery is dead, not leaking, just dead
> >the power supply has a temp issue. When its exposed to cold temps, it 
> >will not power up. At 40-50 degrees and above, it is fine and works 
> >like it should. Would be great for benchtop use.
> >included is the manual, some cables, the front lid and the power cord
> >
> >$275 plus $25 for shipping charges
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >I have a Fluke handheld industrial scope meter, model 123 in a 
> >plastic hard case with manuals, probes, adapters, leads, charger and 
> >more. I'm not sure if I should part with this unit since it is quite 
> >handy.  If someone gives me $650(FIRM) for it, I guess I could part 
> >with this neat little scope.
> >
> >
> >I prefer Paypal online payments, but I also accept money orders. As 
> >an added bonus, I'll ship the items for free if Paypal is used for 
> >payment. All shipping amounts listed are to contenental United States 
> >addresses only.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna

2005-03-12 Thread Joe Montierth


--- Laryn Lohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Al Wolfe"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > I've always thought "good quality RG-8X" was
> an oxymoron.
> > 
> > < use good quality RG-8X type cable for>
> > 
> > Al, K9SI
> 
> Right Al, an oxymoron especially when used in duplex
> service.  Any
> braided coax used in duplex service should be silver
> plated braid. 
> 
> Message 48346 from just a couple of days ago spells
> out some of the
> grief to be found when using RG-8X or any other
> non-silver plated
> cable in duplex service.  Good job Bob!
> 
> Laryn K8TVZ 

I would mostly agree with this statement, but the
person asking about this is looking for answers that
will work in a specific application. I have used RG-8X
and even RG-58 with excellent results in duplex
systems, especially when the power is relatively low.
I suppose the thing to do would be to use a DB-420 and
7/8 inch heliax, but this would be impractical for
most mobile/portable repeater setups.

There are lots of possiblities of things that could
work for this application, I am only speculating on
one thing that I personally know will work, not saying
it is the best, or most desireable, but something that
could be looked at for this particular scenario.
Quarter inch or half inch superflex would work too,
just don't know how much money a person has to invest
in a particular project.

People that are contemplating a project need to be
given some direction by people who have done similiar
things, that way everyone doesn't have to "re-invent
the wheel". The more ideas people are given, the
better they are able to asess which will fit their
needs best. When someone categorically says "that
won't work" I'm often first in line to see if it will
(or won't).

Joe

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Decibel DB 404, 408 & 411 Antenna Drawings available

2005-03-12 Thread skipp025


Double Mint, "two mints in one"

My drawing of the DB-411-B has gone through 
a few revisions.  I found another same model 
DB-411-B antenna in storage and have measured 
and recorded it's values. 

This second antenna was received complete, so 
it's measurements are more accurate. The $#%^# 
goof ball selling me the first DB-411 antenna 
(Ebay of course) cut off and discarded the lower 
half of the mast before he boxed and shipped it. 
( wanted to string him up...) 

Notations are made for the estimated 
values of the first DB-411-B, but the second 
values included on the new paperwork will be 
of the an actual complete antenna. I'll send 
Mike a copy for the RB Antenna page and swap 
out the sonic page copy next week. 

Warm up you're Dayton Motors... I can smell 
those hot dogs burning already... smoke blowing 
thick over toward Kevin's booth. 

Skipp 

> Mike Morris WA6ILQ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually they are all up on the Antennas page.
> 
> Mike

> At 04:18 PM 3/11/05, you wrote:
> 
> >Since all of you are not yet sick of seeing
> >my posts, I'll mention the Decibel Antenna
> >Drawings have been scanned and uploaded to
> >the:
> >
> >www.radiowrench.com/sonic  web page.
> >
> >Mike also has some of them posted on the
> >Repeater Builder web site. I've also added
> >the "antenna quiz" db-411-b model and the
> >408 mounting information to the available
> >mix.
> >
> >Enjoy
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: TK805

2005-03-12 Thread skipp025


I'm a Kenwood Dealer Brent, if you have the 
part number for the parts you need from the 
service manual, it wouldn't be a problem to 
see if I can get them for you, or help you 
get them for yourself. 

Email me direct... 

Cheers, 

skipp 
skipp025 at yahoo.com 
www.radiowrench.com 

> "Brent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Im in need of the load capacitance and calibration accuracy, for the
crystal
> in position  X1 which is on a freq of 33.845Mhz  in a TK-805 uhf mobile
> Thanks
> Brent
> 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTD RCA Tac200 uhf elements

2005-03-12 Thread Gerald Pelnar

Are they just a little bigger than the GE's?  I think I have some in a box.

Gerald

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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] WTD RCA Tac200 uhf elements


> Looking for a couple of channel elements for an RCA Tac200 UHF mobile.
Also
> looking for a manual. This is radio about the size of a Mastr II and the
> elements look similar.
>
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> N9LLO
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[Repeater-Builder] Antenna mounting brackets

2005-03-12 Thread Mr John Lloyd

Have you tried Tessco?

www.tessco.com

John, K7JL
  

From: Al Wolfe 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 8:12 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna mounting brackets

Anyone got any ideas on where to find standoff
mounting brackets for a DB224? Also interested in
where to find stiff-arm hardware, etc. I have just
welded up something in the past but this will be at
400 feet, side mounted. Needs to be commercial
quality.

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna

2005-03-12 Thread Laryn Lohman


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Al Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I've always thought "good quality RG-8X" was an oxymoron.
> 
> < use good quality RG-8X type cable for>
> 
> Al, K9SI

Right Al, an oxymoron especially when used in duplex service.  Any
braided coax used in duplex service should be silver plated braid. 

Message 48346 from just a couple of days ago spells out some of the
grief to be found when using RG-8X or any other non-silver plated
cable in duplex service.  Good job Bob!

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[Repeater-Builder] WTD RCA Tac200 uhf elements

2005-03-12 Thread N9LLO




Looking for a couple of channel elements for an RCA Tac200 UHF mobile. Also looking for a manual. This is radio about the size of a Mastr II and the elements look similar.
 
Chris
N9LLO













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[Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna

2005-03-12 Thread Al Wolfe


I've always thought "good quality RG-8X" was an oxymoron.

< use good quality RG-8X type cable for>

Al, K9SI
 







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Test equipment for sale

2005-03-12 Thread Ken Arck

Anyone had any luck in contacting this guy?

Ken


At 06:08 PM 3/7/2005 -, you wrote:
Here are a couple more items I dug up for sale.
>
>
>Tektronics 2246 4 channel 100MHZ Ocilloscope
>manual, cover, and 2 probes included.
>It has been tested and is in good working order.
>
>$200 plus $20 for shipping charges
>
>
>
>Bird Thruline model 43 wattmeter with hard case
>included are 4 slugs
>250watt 2-30MHZ
>100watt 100-250MHZ
>100watt 400-1000MHZ
>50watt 25-60MHZ
>comes in a foam lined plastic hard case
>works well
>
>$200 plus $10 for shipping charges
>
>
>
>Cushman CE-50A/TG communications monitor
>This is a white face model
>operational up to 999MHZ
>frequency generator
>ocilloscope
>tracking generator
>many many more features!
>This unit has a couple of minor issues.
>the internal battery is dead, not leaking, just dead
>the power supply has a temp issue. When its exposed to cold temps, it 
>will not power up. At 40-50 degrees and above, it is fine and works 
>like it should. Would be great for benchtop use.
>included is the manual, some cables, the front lid and the power cord
>
>$275 plus $25 for shipping charges
>
>
>
>
>I have a Fluke handheld industrial scope meter, model 123 in a 
>plastic hard case with manuals, probes, adapters, leads, charger and 
>more. I'm not sure if I should part with this unit since it is quite 
>handy.  If someone gives me $650(FIRM) for it, I guess I could part 
>with this neat little scope.
>
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[Repeater-Builder] Manuals tone reeds lots of good stuf

2005-03-12 Thread Thomas Oliver





 
Ran across this on e-bay all stuff priced reasonable. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmember52897
 
I have nothing to do with seller just thought I would pass this along in case you guys are looking for a manual or something.
 
 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: 1/2" Andrew Heliax Sale

2005-03-12 Thread Ed Folta

  Greetings Group

  For a limited time I can supply FOB Chicago
  Andrew 1/2 LDF Heliax at $1.45 / ft

  This is brand new cable

  Connectors and accessory items hangers, grounding kits etc also available.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Help with Duplexer ID

2005-03-12 Thread Joe

 Very true.  But, that approximate diameter was very common in the paging 
systems that I installed/maintained.  I still have a few in the basement 
somewhere.

Joe

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] repeater coax duplexer leads

2005-03-12 Thread James






I use the EMR Z-matchers, they are a real blessing!! No screwing around
with coax or worrying about keeping the rack neat because I just cut a
RG142 jumper shorter than I should have.  I just get the length I want
and insert a Z-matcher.

James

Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote:
At 03:19
PM 3/11/05, you wrote:
  
  Anyone have any idea
what length of
coax I should run from the transmitter and receiver to the
duplexer?  I have a Sinclair Q2220E and freq of 147.225
Transmit.
Any info about this will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
 
WA0VUS
Larry Kemper
Muscatine, Iowa
 
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If the entire system is 50 ohms, then the length is immaterial.
Use quality coax (see Bob Dengler's message a few higher in 
the list) with silver plated connectors (no nickel) and start 
hooking things up.
  
Folks use magic lengths to compensate for non-50-ohm 
environments, especially solid-state TXs, and to get the SWR 
under control. 
there was a thread on Z-matchers a while back I'd really 
like someone to consolidate all of that into an article for the 
archives at
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: [Motorola-Metrum-Motrac-Motran-Mocom] Group Address

2005-03-12 Thread Neil McKie


  Also, about to scrap out a bunch of Motrac mobiles:
   Low band, high band and UHF Motracs 

  And several pieces of UHF Motran (MSB/MSY) base/repeater systems.  

  Any one interested in same? 

  Neil McKie  -  WA6KLA





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] TK805

2005-03-12 Thread Neil McKie


  Why, did you smoke one? 

  I have a couple of them here and a partial manual. 

  Did you mean the TK805D 

  Neil 

Brent wrote:
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> Im in need of the load capacitance and calibration accuracy, for 
> the crystal in position  X1 which is on a freq of 33.845Mhz  in a 
> TK-805 uhf mobile Thanks
> Brent
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