RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Loss through adaptors:

2006-02-02 Thread Eric Lemmon
Dave,

Tessco carries right-angle N connectors from several manufacturers.  Go
here:

http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProducts.do?groupId=410&subgroupId=30

and look at pages 3 and 4.  Another manufacturer of right-angle N connectors
is Delta.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


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Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:16 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Loss through adaptors:


I think the biggest problem that we face is that our adaptors tend to 
not have a pedigree.  I have some that I know were from Radio Shack, 
some that I bought at hamfests in boxes of "stuff", some with real 
pedigrees (amphenol, in the bag) and some that are precision test 
equipment in their own right.

If cost were no object, we would do the whole thing in hardline and 
GPC-7 connectors and be done with it, right?  :)

Someone mentioned before, an elbow or tee that used a SPRING to make 
the connection..  Boy, I would love to put that on my SA and see the 
plot!  Probably works nicely at some frequencies, and insanely badly 
at others. 

I ended up having to put at least one right angle in every radio 
connection. The daniels gear uses front panel N connnectors, and 
there's no way I could close the cabinet door without RA connectors. 
I couldn't find anything RA in N, so I used a single RA adaptor on 
each of the four lines.  Not sure who makes them. Markings are "CQA" 
or "CGA" and "UG-27/U"  Definitely silver plated.








 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: mods.dk (possiably OT)

2006-02-02 Thread Coy Hilton
Gee Steve, haven't you ever heard that "is easier to get forgiveness 
than to get permission"?


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Mark A. Holman" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> yeah I just went there the rules well...  I just 
read 
> one and did not have time to reply, oh well.
> 
> STeve Andre' wrote:
> 
> >I was under the impression that the payment was to keep the system
> >alive.  I don't know about Denmark specifically, but in Europe the
> >cost of net bandwidth is rather higher than in the US.  Those 
dollars
> >the site is getting are, I think, going to keep the place running.
> >
> >I understand the idea of everyone grabbing a few files such that
> >collectively, 'we' have them all, but in the US copyright issues 
are
> >a thorny issue.  *Every* file there should be assumed to have a
> >copyright, and if the document in question does not specifically
> >say that its OK to post it, it is NOT a good idea to take it and 
post
> >it elsewhere.  This of course does not apply to anything that says
> >it has been placed in the Public Domain, but even then, I know
> >a lawyer who dealt with a case of a file that said it was PD when
> >in fact it was not.
> >
> >In order to create a new site, it is very advisable to contact 
every
> >author and get their permission for posting, and also to have 
> >them put their license in the file at the header.  If you can't
> >get ahold of the author, it shoudn't go on the site.  Anything
> >written by someone now dead is still copyrghted by their
> >estate, or can be.  Failure to heed stuff like this can result
> >in a "DMCA take down notice"
> >
> >The DMCA is the Digital Millenium Copyright Act.  If you want
> >to be nauseated, read it.  I'm not a lawyer but I've dealt with
> >stuff like this on the net before.  I will shut up now.
> >
> >--STeve Andre'
> >wb8wsf  en82
> >
> >On Wednesday 01 February 2006 02:00, Richard wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Me too.
> >>
> >>Richard
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dick
> >>Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:23 PM
> >>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] mods.dk (possiably OT)
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> >>Works for me, Rich.
> >>
> >>73,
> >>
> >>Dick
> >>
> >>- Original Message -
> >>From: "Richard D. Reese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: 
> >>Sent: 31 January, 2006 17:05
> >>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] mods.dk (possiably OT)
> >>
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> >>I do not know how many files are on mods.dk but - there are over 
2700
> >>members of this group.  If each member were to download a file 
or two we
> >>would have all of them.  The files could then be posted together 
elsewhere
> >>and remain available for free.
> >>
> >>Just a thought.
> >>
> >>73  Rich
> >>http://www.wa8dbw.ifip.com
> >>- Original Message -
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] F.S. Tower Lighting System

2006-02-02 Thread Mark A. Holman






check the broadcast group they have a site  http://www.broadcast.net  
run by d. biondi you may have to go fishing for awhile to find what you
are looking 4  cannot recall where.

m

Joel Mele wrote:

  
  
  
  I have a Flash Technology Dual-Medium intensity
Tower Lighting System for Sale.
   
  The system is appx 4 years old and includes 3
  red/white flash beacons, 3 controllers and 6 side
light markers.
   
  I will be happy to describe the system in detail
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] mods.dk (possiably OT)

2006-02-02 Thread Mark A. Holman






yeah I just went there the rules well...  I just read
one and did not have time to reply, oh well.

STeve Andre' wrote:

  I was under the impression that the payment was to keep the system
alive.  I don't know about Denmark specifically, but in Europe the
cost of net bandwidth is rather higher than in the US.  Those dollars
the site is getting are, I think, going to keep the place running.

I understand the idea of everyone grabbing a few files such that
collectively, 'we' have them all, but in the US copyright issues are
a thorny issue.  *Every* file there should be assumed to have a
copyright, and if the document in question does not specifically
say that its OK to post it, it is NOT a good idea to take it and post
it elsewhere.  This of course does not apply to anything that says
it has been placed in the Public Domain, but even then, I know
a lawyer who dealt with a case of a file that said it was PD when
in fact it was not.

In order to create a new site, it is very advisable to contact every
author and get their permission for posting, and also to have 
them put their license in the file at the header.  If you can't
get ahold of the author, it shoudn't go on the site.  Anything
written by someone now dead is still copyrghted by their
estate, or can be.  Failure to heed stuff like this can result
in a "DMCA take down notice"

The DMCA is the Digital Millenium Copyright Act.  If you want
to be nauseated, read it.  I'm not a lawyer but I've dealt with
stuff like this on the net before.  I will shut up now.

--STeve Andre'
wb8wsf  en82

On Wednesday 01 February 2006 02:00, Richard wrote:
  
  
Me too.

Richard

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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:23 PM
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Works for me, Rich.

73,

Dick

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Sent: 31 January, 2006 17:05
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] mods.dk (possiably OT)


I do not know how many files are on mods.dk but - there are over 2700
members of this group.  If each member were to download a file or two we
would have all of them.  The files could then be posted together elsewhere
and remain available for free.

Just a thought.

73  Rich
http://www.wa8dbw.ifip.com
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Woohoo! The rocks are IN!

2006-02-02 Thread Mark A. Holman






I found at a meeting I attended once.  never went back, last word was
they were eliminating  " Paper Repeaters "   I also find Great Lakes
ARRL when you volunteer in 1 week they fire you !!

Last time I'll ever help any of em they are on their own !   besides I
have no time anyway thats my public reason..  Soap box end.


TGundo 2003 wrote:

  IL Is doing 440-442 now as well. The problem IL has, and IN I
imagine, is that Michigan will not recoginize any new coordinations in
the 440-442 band, and instaead of providing useful data to IL when a
request is submitted for new coord., like MI had a link on that freq,
they just say NO (or don't even respond from what I have heard) with no
reason explained other than they will not recoginize a repeater
coordinated there because it does not fit the bandplan. I fell victom
to that with my first pair. We are close enough in northern IL that it
is important to know what is coordinated in Mighigan. From what I hear
MI dosen't play well with others so IL and some other states are
ignoring them now and just dealing with the problems after the fact. In
my opinion thats BS, but such is life. Not to mention the extra $100 I
had to spend to re-crystal because michigan could't just say "no, we
have a link there" instead of the blanket No. I think theres a
commercial on TV with David Spade working at the MI repeater council
right now ;)
   
  Sorry for the rant, off my soapbox now.
   
  Tom
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  Ken Arck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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12:09 PM 1/27/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Interesting that IN is assigning below 442. I was thinking about
asking 
>around why Ohio doesn't assign repeaters or links between 440 and
442...

<---Interestingly, Dave was assigned the same channel as one of my
repeaters here in Oregon. Which, of course means, OR uses < 442 as
well!

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] mods.dk (possiably OT)

2006-02-02 Thread Richard D. Reese
Mike;

That's me.  How do we know one another?  I see you were born in 1967.   I 
did work car 7 in the early 70's.  You would have been a bit young back 
then.  What did I do to have you remember me after all of these years?  I 
hope it was something good!!!

 I retired in 96 as commander of the gang investigations unit.  I  am still 
in the area and very active with volunteer work and our nine 
grandchildren!!!   I operate all bands from 160 meters through 2.4 GHz. 
Send me your number direct and I will call you on the phone.  You have me 
very curious...

73
Rich  WA8DBW
http://www.wa8dbw.ifip.com
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To: 
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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] mods.dk (possiably OT)


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> I just clear off my cookies after each page I read
> and then go to the next one.
>
> Are you the same Richard Reese that was a police
> officer in Kenmore, Ohio back in the 70's? Car 7 or 17
> if I remember correctly.
>
>   73, Mike N8RQU





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Balloons to be tested as cell-tower Replacement

2006-02-02 Thread bradley glen
I work on GSM equipment and technically they have no
clue-I suggest they get an introduction to GSM course
for DUMMIES

Regards

Bradley ZS5WT

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] mods.dk (possiably OT)

2006-02-02 Thread Michael Shaffer

 I just clear off my cookies after each page I read
and then go to the next one.

 Are you the same Richard Reese that was a police
officer in Kenmore, Ohio back in the 70's? Car 7 or 17
if I remember correctly.

   73, Mike N8RQU

--- "Richard D. Reese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I do not know how many files are on mods.dk but -
> there are over 2700 
> members of this group.  If each member were to
> download a file or two we 
> would have all of them.  The files could then be
> posted together elsewhere 
> and remain available for free.
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> 73  Rich
> http://www.wa8dbw.ifip.com
> - Original Message - 
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> To: 
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> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] mods.dk (possiably
> OT)
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> > And by the poor english,it seems like it has been
> taken over by someone
> > else.
> > We should glean all his files and open a free
> server...
> >
> > Bryan Fields wrote:
> >
> >>Anyone notice that mods.dk is now a closed site
> that is charging to view
> >>anymore then 1 page per day?
> >>
> >>I have a number of mods I have written, and that
> appear on mods.dk.  I 
> >>have
> >>always given my mods away under a license that
> lets anyone post them and
> >>change them so long as they are used for non
> commercial use, and not have 
> >>any
> >>fees charged for them.
> >>
> >>I believe they are using a good of deal of
> repeater builder related 
> >>material
> >>as well.  This is definitely against my wishes and
> I have been trying to 
> >>find
> >>an email address to email an admin there to take
> my content down, either 
> >>that
> >>or pay me.
> >>
> >>This is wrong to take content from around the net
> and charge for it with 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II 9669 and/or 9670 Standby Battery Charger Option

2006-02-02 Thread Mike Morris




Everything you are looking for is on the LBI Master list at
www.repeater-builder.com.
Hint: do a search (as per the instructions on the page) for 9669 and
9670.
Hint #2: The second LBI below 39867 is all about it.
Mike WA6ILQ
At 10:25 AM 2/2/06, you wrote:
Do
any of you have the schematic circuit for this option? It is not shown in
the LB130867D power supply manual that I have, it must be another
supplement.
 
The charger winding is in the
transformer; I can rig up the diode bridge and a transfer relay without
much trouble but I just want to see how GE did it.  My main interest
is does the official design reduce any battery load when RX is squelched
- such as turning off the final PA load.  
 
This project is now only in the thought
process. I haven't even gotten far enough to measure the PA load in
standby.   The thing is a repeater so I have to leave the Rx
working when on battery.
 
Thanks & 73 N4SWR
 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Loss through adaptors:

2006-02-02 Thread Dave VanHorn

I think the biggest problem that we face is that our adaptors tend to 
not have a pedigree.  I have some that I know were from Radio Shack, 
some that I bought at hamfests in boxes of "stuff", some with real 
pedigrees (amphenol, in the bag) and some that are precision test 
equipment in their own right.

If cost were no object, we would do the whole thing in hardline and 
GPC-7 connectors and be done with it, right?  :)

Someone mentioned before, an elbow or tee that used a SPRING to make 
the connection..  Boy, I would love to put that on my SA and see the 
plot!  Probably works nicely at some frequencies, and insanely badly 
at others. 

I ended up having to put at least one right angle in every radio 
connection. The daniels gear uses front panel N connnectors, and 
there's no way I could close the cabinet door without RA connectors. 
I couldn't find anything RA in N, so I used a single RA adaptor on 
each of the four lines.  Not sure who makes them. Markings are "CQA" 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Loss through adaptors:

2006-02-02 Thread Mike Pugh
Bob, I'm using one on the receiver in my repeater. I snatched it off of 
a decommissioned 800 Mhz trunk system. It is  a little deaf, and I'm 
just trying to eliminate variables... Thanks! Mike

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>>Bob, what's your opinion on right angle silver plated "N" connectors at
>>900 Mhz? Mike
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> connectors are typically spec'd to at least 12 GHz they should work 
> fine.  I may have recently seen 90° Ns in a catalog that were spec'd only 
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[Repeater-Builder] Mastr II 9669 and/or 9670 Standby Battery Charger Option

2006-02-02 Thread Lou Aiken





Do any of you have the schematic circuit 
for this option? It is not shown in the LB130867D power supply manual that I 
have, it must be another supplement.
 
The charger winding is in the 
transformer; I can rig up the diode bridge and a transfer relay without much 
trouble but I just want to see how GE did it.  My main interest is does the 
official design reduce any battery load when RX is squelched - such as turning 
off the final PA load.  
 
This project is now only in 
the thought process. I haven't even gotten far enough to measure the 
PA load in standby.   The thing is a repeater so I have to leave the 
Rx working when on battery.
 
Thanks & 73 N4SWR
 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Power transistors

2006-02-02 Thread wn1b8
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Captainlance 
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> Anyone know what the interchange is for M9995 power transistors used 
in Micor   uhf PAs like the TLE1713?
> Thanks...
> lance N2HBA
>

RF Parts www.rfparts.com has what they call a suitable replacement in 
stock, though they don't indicate what that replacement is.

Scott Madison, WN1B







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Crimp versus Clamp Connectors

2006-02-02 Thread Chuck Kelsey
That's exactly what I have been thinking. Don't blame the connector just 
because someone installed it wrong or because they subjected it to a 
condition that they shouldn't have.

I was at a two-meter repeater site not long ago helping chase down some 
"issues." On top of the rack was discovered what was thought to be an 
unused coil of RG-8 cable. Nope. It was about 75' of coax that was 
sitting there between the duplexer and the heliax. When it was closer 
inspected, the shields were never soldered to the shells of the PL-259 
connectors. Obviously the whole mess was a poor install, but to whomever 
left it that way, I'm sure that they left thinking they'd done 
everything right.

Chuck
WB2EDV



Rod Lane wrote:

>You should probably not be looping those patch cables through cinder blocks
>before you attach them to the antenna.  ;^)
>
>Seriously, the rated pull force for Amphenol Type N is on their web site at
>http://www.amphenolrf.com/products/typen.asp
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>Cable Retention; 
>Crimps: 60-120 lbs
>Clamps: 30-70 lbs.
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>If you had this kind of problem, I'd sincerely suspect an installation
>issue.  Improper strip length or crimping can lead to poor cable retention.
>Check you connector manufacturers' data sheet.
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>73
>
>Rod Lane,  N1FNE
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>There is no "knife edge" against the braid,it is a clamping type 
>connector that the braid folds over a stepped insert.
> I will relate my experience with crimp connectors when we decided to 
>try them for the first time. We had put 22 antennas up on a 500' Rohn 65 
>tower with crimped on connectors on all the pigtails and 11 of them 
>failed within a month. They had pulled out or had broken the shield 
>braid at the crimp. We did a little non-scientific stress test on crimp 
>vs. clamp pigtails by suspending a weight from the cable ,adding more 
>until they failed. The clamp type took THREE TIMES as much weight before 
>it let go.We also did a flex test and the crimp braid failed long before 
>the clamp one did. That was all I needed to see to change my mind! All 
>were replaced with mil-spec clamp style connectors and are all still in 
>service 20 years after the fact. Company policy was implemented that 
>required all outdoor connectors be mil-spec clamp type Amphenols at all 
>303 company tower sites. Now maybe you can get away with crimps on some 
>sites,but not up north on the Great Lakes where winds are tough and ice 
>is common. You quickly learn what works and what doesnt and you will 
>NEVER convice me to use crimp on connectors again! I guess I'm old and 
>set in my ways,for good reason   73,Lee
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