[Repeater-Builder] Re: tripp lite pr-25
Ian, If the PR-25 is anything like the PR-40 then it uses the ubiquitous 723 regulator circuit that has been around for 30 years. Most of the highly touted Astrons use the 723 circuit so an Astron circuit might be a good place to start. Data sheets for the 723 are available on the web. (Hint. Put a socket in for the 723.) The ARRL Handbook usually has 723 circuits in it. I was given a PR-40a that took a lightning hit and was being thrown away. Replacing the shorted rectifiers, pass transistors, and exploded 723 brought it back to life. The power transformer runs a bit warmer than I would have expected. I believe that to be because Tripp Lite uses cheap transformers without enough iron in them. Anyhow, it has run 24/7 for a couple of years now since the repairs so assume it's fixed. YMMV. Al, K9SI tripp lite pr-25 Posted by: Ian Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] va2ir Date: Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:55 pm ((PST)) Hi all Looking for a schematic for a PR-25 tripp lite power supply. Can anyone help? Contact me off list at va2ir at securenet dot net Thanks 73 Ian
[Repeater-Builder] Re: tripp lite pr-25 (Reg Board Retrofit Available)
Re: tripp lite pr-25 (Reg Board Retrofit Available) Although you can't really tell by the number of group posts I make... I'm pretty busy right now. But... if you don't receive a copy of the Tripp Lite Power Supply diagram... I might have one in my files. With enough simple email begging I'll write myself a note to look for it and make it available if/when found. Also... I sell a number of my replacement Astron Power Supply Regulator Boards to/for non Astron Supplies. So many in fact that I've added an addition section to the revised instruction sheet to address placing the board into Tripp Lite, Pyramid and Vista type power supplies. Although there is no specific other brand model information in the additional section... the information given would help you figure out if my or another regulator board would be an easy fit/fix. Email me direct if you'd like a free copy of my Regulatoar Board instructions in pdf file format. cheers, skipp skipp025 at yahoo.com www.radiowrench.com Al Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian, If the PR-25 is anything like the PR-40 then it uses the ubiquitous 723 regulator circuit that has been around for 30 years. Most of the highly touted Astrons use the 723 circuit so an Astron circuit might be a good place to start. Data sheets for the 723 are available on the web. (Hint. Put a socket in for the 723.) The ARRL Handbook usually has 723 circuits in it. I was given a PR-40a that took a lightning hit and was being thrown away. Replacing the shorted rectifiers, pass transistors, and exploded 723 brought it back to life. The power transformer runs a bit warmer than I would have expected. I believe that to be because Tripp Lite uses cheap transformers without enough iron in them. Anyhow, it has run 24/7 for a couple of years now since the repairs so assume it's fixed. YMMV. Al, K9SI tripp lite pr-25 Posted by: Ian Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] va2ir Date: Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:55 pm ((PST)) Hi all Looking for a schematic for a PR-25 tripp lite power supply. Can anyone help? Contact me off list at va2ir at securenet dot net Thanks 73 Ian
[Repeater-Builder] Re: tripp lite pr-25
I am in the process of repairing a Tripp Lite 50A power supply. I bought a regulator board from Skipp, who frequents this site, and will graft it in to the power supply in place of the defective one. The pass transistors are 2N3055's, which are common in this application. Just a thought. Mike AI4NS
[Repeater-Builder] Grey day solar charging (relative values)
T'was over at one of my off grid commercial radio sites yesterday doing the pre-winter checkup. The normal summer-time solar charging current from my arrays and the charge controller is about 17amps. I made a mental note to check the winter-time (grey day) charging current because of the previous maxtrac repeater solar system group posts. So on fairly bright but grey (no bright clear sun) Northern California Oregon day the entire array delivers a whopping 2.3 amps. Not enough to run the site. One must have additional energy sources as I have in place... wind and diesel/propane generators are the most popular options. Winter-time solar only operation is at best a tricky beast. If solar only is available you would need to have equipment low power, sleep modes and low voltage disconnect with small to med size arrays to save your battery/equipment bacon. cheers, skipp
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Newbie Information Time - Mystery Signal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In addition to Neil's comment - you would screw up the APRS operation if you do not listen and prevent your own APRS broadcast from going out during another APRS transmission. You could key up on top of the ongoing transmission and both your own and the other packets would be QRMed. 73 - Jim W5ZIT Not to continue to belabor how packet works on RB here too much, but packet being a network and not a point-to-point system has always suffered from the hidden RF node problem where : Station A B can hear each other. Station B C can hear each other. Station A C transmit at the same time and collide at the receiver at station B. Multiply this effect by the number of nodes in a particular geographic area, and things get mighty interesting (and conjested) pretty quick. Someone did the math once to show the maximum density available in an area before contention completely clogged the network, but I have no idea where that whitepaper is today. No amount of listening will ever fix that on Packet. Add in that some packet stations use a standard COR type squelch circuit and others use a soft-squelch where the radio's squelch circuit is always open and the packet engine or TNC simply listens for tones, and the problem gets a little more complex. A system using soft-squelch won't even hear a voice transmission and will just key up over the top of one. Our club did a VHF packet digital-regenerative repeater many years ago with about 150 miles coverage that worked well to completely eradicate this problem -- any node that could access the repeater would be guaranteed to be heard by the others. It removed all the variables of antenna, power, etc. You either got your bits to the repeater or you didn't. We shut it down a few years ago due to lack of use and site costs. So while I wholeheartedly understand all the sentiments expressed by those who said that keying up for a quick voice call on a simplex packet frequency could be a) problematic due to unintentional interference or b) against the FCC rules for monitoring before transmitting... In practice it really just doesn't matter. Collisions happen. Fact of life on Packet. The nodes that need to get information to another location will continue retrying in a connected state, and in non-guaranteed delivery systems like APRS where the method is fire and forget, you'll just miss a couple of packets of information -- a known operational lost packet issue of the network protocol itself, inherent in the system. Since the practice of monitoring on 144.39 with 100 Hz CTCSS tone was first recommended (as best as I can tell) by Bob Bruninga who created the APRS software as a specifically good configuration for a Kenwood D-700 (which he helped Kenwood develop and licensed code to), I don't think anyone's all that concerned about a brief voice QSO to QSY somewhere else on 144.39. In fact, there's been some discussion that 144.39 is the most widely monitored VHF frequency in the U.S. due to APRS stations all being on it, moreso than 146.52. How many of us leave a radio on 146.52 for travellers or other assistance 24/7? How many of us have APRS stations on 144.39 24 hours a day? (Actually I have neither right now, but that's how the argument goes...) By the way, to keep this on-topic, I tossed a note to Bob about that mystery packet. He said it really didn't look like it was in any APRS format he recognized, and wasn't sure what it actually was. I got sucked into this whole thing just from remembering my former experiences with TCP/IP over Packet radio in the early 1990's. Back then there was no APRS, and Packet BBS's were on every channel from 145.01 through 145.09 and people even had to go down into the 144's, annoying the satellite crowd. Some of us fired up TCP/IP over Packet using the venerable old 44.x.x.x network around here on 145.07 and the BBS owner on .07 and the local packet association were always up in arms because our systems used much bigger packets than the standards used for BBS access, and hogged the channel. Many meetings, and fire and brimstone conversations both on the air and off, and a few years later -- packet's popularity had dropped off so dramatically no one cared anymore. APRS then hit the scene and worked so well, after everyone decided on 144.39, that everyone but the die-hards were doing APRS, and the conversations and complaints and everything else (and most of the utility of the large network that had been grown in our area) started to dwindle. Today around here, there isn't much other than some dedicated folks running VHF to HF gateways and an FBB BBS or two... it's fairly dead. Nothing like it was in 1991-1993. The Emergency Services crowd always wanted us to keep our high-level packet repeater on-air, stating that they would use it in emergencies, but in practice, they might use it for 5 minutes to establish comm between two
[Repeater-Builder] Re: tripp lite pr-25
Thanks for all the help fellows. I will contact skipp and see if he has the reg. board for this unit. I made the mistake of hooking the power supply up to a car battery - backwards - and poof - all the smoke came out. From what I can see C6 on the reg. board is blown - the bridge rectifier is ok, and there is about 22 volts DC getting to the reg board, but it stops there. The board number is 66-214D if that helps 73 Ian VA2IR --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Short [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in the process of repairing a Tripp Lite 50A power supply. I bought a regulator board from Skipp, who frequents this site, and will graft it in to the power supply in place of the defective one. The pass transistors are 2N3055's, which are common in this application. Just a thought. Mike AI4NS
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Newbie Information Time - Mystery Signal
I always thought it was known as QC for Quiet Channel or CG for Channel Guard. -- Original Message -- Received: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:43:53 AM CST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Newbie Information Time - Mystery Signal I guess it is time again for a bit of clarification for the apparent newbies: PL ... is a registered trademark of Motorola Inc. properly known as Private Line. A very polite way of saying the same thing here is Continuous Tone Coded Squelch System or CTCSS. The following is for all but specfically Mike Morris as well: The reference to hz is also incorrect ... as is an abbreviation of Hertz, a persons last name. Specifically should be Hz. In my opinion, is a slight flaw in the voice operation on 144.39 MHz below ... the FCC requires you to monitor the frequency in a non-CTCSS mode prior to transmitting. And, if you have your 144.39 MHz receiver locked up on CTCSS decode, your receiver won't hear the packet operations ... Thank you for your time, Neil McKie - WA6KLA - Original Message - From: Max Slover [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:58 pm Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mystery Signal In case I confused anybody, this is what I am refering to with APRS and a 100hz tone --- VOICE ALERT: This simply means that you do not turn the audio down on 144.39, but instead leave it at high volume and then simply set CTCSS tone 100 to mute the speaker. This way, you dont hear any packets, but ANYONE can call you with VOICE on 144.39 to alert you by using PL 100. You will rarely use this, and only use it to tell someone to QSY to another voice channel, but it is one way of assuring that ANYONE running APRS in simplex range of you can ALWAYS be contacted with a voice call... You wont hear any packets except maybe one or two when another VOICE- ALERT mobile is in range (about 3 miles or so). But even then, he is only beaconing once every 2 minutes and so it is not bothersome at all.. In fact, it is nice to hear when someone is nearby! Its like a free radar for other mobile APRS operators that are in simplex range AND listening. --- --- Max Slover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doh, this just hit me. It would most definitely be an APRS setup due to the 100hz subtone. In APRS you set the subtone to 100 so you can do voice alert. Man, why didn't I think of that part when this was first mentioned. Sorry for being a bit late on that but I figured I'd toss my 2 cents on this. Max... Public Information Officer -- St. Louis Suburban Radio Club K0AZV - Amateur WPWH-650 GMRS St. Louis County ARES St. Ann MO EM48tr Yahoo! Groups Links
[Repeater-Builder] Labels and names for ctcss operation
Not talking about the digtal coded squelch dcs/dpl type operation... each manufacture has/had their own cute label for ctcss tone operation. Quiet Tone, Quiet Channel, Channel Guard, Tone Guard, Private Line (PL), CTCSS and depending on how far back you go some other cute names/labels used by current and now long-gone radio companies. Not to mention some companies offered more than the standard number or table of available ctcss frequencies. cheers, s. JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought it was known as QC for Quiet Channel or CG for Channel Guard. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess it is time again for a bit of clarification for the apparent newbies: PL ... is a registered trademark of Motorola Inc. properly known as Private Line. A very polite way of saying the same thing here is Continuous Tone Coded Squelch System or CTCSS.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Newbie Information Time - Mystery Signal
IIRC QC was RCA trademark and CG was GE trademark for CTCSS. Johnson used ToneGuard for their trademark. 73 Glenn WB4UIV At 05:39 PM 12/15/06, you wrote: I always thought it was known as QC for Quiet Channel or CG for Channel Guard. -- Original Message -- Received: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:43:53 AM CST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Newbie Information Time - Mystery Signal I guess it is time again for a bit of clarification for the apparent newbies: PL ... is a registered trademark of Motorola Inc. properly known as Private Line. A very polite way of saying the same thing here is Continuous Tone Coded Squelch System or CTCSS. The following is for all but specfically Mike Morris as well: The reference to hz is also incorrect ... as is an abbreviation of Hertz, a persons last name. Specifically should be Hz. In my opinion, is a slight flaw in the voice operation on 144.39 MHz below ... the FCC requires you to monitor the frequency in a non-CTCSS mode prior to transmitting. And, if you have your 144.39 MHz receiver locked up on CTCSS decode, your receiver won't hear the packet operations ... Thank you for your time, Neil McKie - WA6KLA - Original Message - From: Max Slover [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:58 pm Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mystery Signal In case I confused anybody, this is what I am refering to with APRS and a 100hz tone --- VOICE ALERT: This simply means that you do not turn the audio down on 144.39, but instead leave it at high volume and then simply set CTCSS tone 100 to mute the speaker. This way, you dont hear any packets, but ANYONE can call you with VOICE on 144.39 to alert you by using PL 100. You will rarely use this, and only use it to tell someone to QSY to another voice channel, but it is one way of assuring that ANYONE running APRS in simplex range of you can ALWAYS be contacted with a voice call... You wont hear any packets except maybe one or two when another VOICE- ALERT mobile is in range (about 3 miles or so). But even then, he is only beaconing once every 2 minutes and so it is not bothersome at all.. In fact, it is nice to hear when someone is nearby! Its like a free radar for other mobile APRS operators that are in simplex range AND listening. --- --- Max Slover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doh, this just hit me. It would most definitely be an APRS setup due to the 100hz subtone. In APRS you set the subtone to 100 so you can do voice alert. Man, why didn't I think of that part when this was first mentioned. Sorry for being a bit late on that but I figured I'd toss my 2 cents on this. Max... Public Information Officer -- St. Louis Suburban Radio Club K0AZV - Amateur WPWH-650 GMRS St. Louis County ARES St. Ann MO EM48tr Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Latest msg to Rptr Bldr Message #67251
The message was not sent by me, it was spoofed. It happens regularly. One can verify (at least at this point) if a message was originated by me by looking at the To From identification of the email. I always use my real name along with the email address. Spoofed messages come from no name, just kuggie at kuggie . com Kevin allan crites wrote: Kevin, Your latest msg has been infected with a virus says my computer as W32.Sality.U. Please resend. WA9ZZU
[Repeater-Builder] Mystery Signal
Hello All By this time all of you who have been following and or helping with the identification and location of our mystery signal have probably figured that something has happened due to the silence from this end. Well, if so, you figured rightthe signal quit last Wednesday evening and hasn't been heard since. To add some details-we made ---seems like about the fourth contact with a related arm of our emergency com. organization that has a station using the large municipal tower that I have mentioned previously as being in the approximate center of our Doppler DF convergence. This time, in spite of their repeated assurance that all was well within, they agreed to shut down their station in total. I also ask that they make contact with other hams in their area of their town and particularly those running packet gear of any sort in the hope of finding the signal source. In amazing coincidence to when the tower station was shut down, the mystery signal quit. Nobody is admitting responsibility yet---and the signal has not returned -yet ---in spite of my being told that the tower station is all up again. Looking back at all that happened in identifying the signal is amazing. It started with one of our hams (N6NFI) making a waterfall audio frequency spectral analysis of the signal's modulation which identified the presence of a 100hz. PL tone and the three tone bursts as being DTMF zero's-this explained why our repeater was opening and announcing errors. Next, N6NFI made a wave file recording and sent it on to all of us locals and one of our guys (KR6DD) who was in Maryland on vacation. He analyzed for a while using a borrowed computer finally announcing that he thought that he could see some buried data---he then ask for another recording with open squelch to be sent to him. This was done by N6NFI and I, at this point, put my first message on Repeater Builder (I'm a member of this group) offering the wave file for identification at AE6EO's server. You are all up on the flurry of RB messages that followed this. Most outstanding was Nate Duehr's (WY0X) successful extraction of Packet data from deep in the modulation. He, using computer filtration and blanking techniques, removed the DTMF zeros and brought the packet data up by what must have been at least 30 db.. He then put this on his server for any and all to try to decode. AE6EO back here went to work on it and determined that the format was definitely ham packet format but wasn't able to decode much more than that the origination station was coded as a ? mark-the rest of the data was interrupted by the DTMF tones. About this time, Bill, K6TYO, near here, precisely measured the frequency of the mystery signal as being almost dead on channel and stable which together with several comments from RB people about some Kenwood and Yaesu radios for the ham market being capable of producing the DTMF preamble made it pretty clear that we were looking for a radio of this sort with the DTMF preamble inappropriately activated that had been some how shifted in memory channel to what was in a previous application used to talk to our repeater---what a mouthful! ---and--- that was now connected to a packet controller that was set up to announce the station's presence every half hour. Now, this and back to the top you have the whole picture to this point. And, finally, I want to thank all who participated ,no mater howyou all helped and I and we all appreciate your efforts and suggestions. I would like to list all of you but there are to many to do that. Thanks again! Scott, N6NXI SPECSSouthern Peninsula Emergency Repeater System Mountain View, Calif. 145.270,---224.140,440.800
[Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: tripp lite pr-25
There is the problem ... the manufacturers put the smoke in each part very carefully ... then you let it out ... That will do it every time ... Neil - WA6KLA - Original Message - From: Ian Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 15, 2006 2:34 pm Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: tripp lite pr-25 Thanks for all the help fellows. I will contact skipp and see if he has the reg. board for this unit. I made the mistake of hooking the power supply up to a car battery - backwards - and poof - all the smoke came out. From what I can see C6 on the reg. board is blown - the bridge rectifier is ok, and there is about 22 volts DC getting to the reg board, but it stops there. The board number is 66-214D if that helps 73 Ian VA2IR --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Short [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in the process of repairing a Tripp Lite 50A power supply. I bought a regulator board from Skipp, who frequents this site, and will graft it in to the power supply in place of the defective one. The pass transistors are 2N3055's, which are common in this application. Just a thought. Mike AI4NS Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today
Oh well, the end of an era. Boo-Hiss. Bob M. == --- Joe Montierth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-269012A1.pdf Techs get tech+ privs, code test gone for general and extra. Joe __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today
And the start of another. It is entirely possible to *increase* the number of CW using hams because of this. It's possible to snare folks into the hobby, and then, just when they think they're secure in the lack of a need to ever learn code-- ...They find something that uses it, and the spark of a reason as to why it might be a good idea to learn it ignites... The rest of this is up to us, however. We need to welcome these changes and then find ways to hook them onto CW and all the other wonderful modes we have. It IS possible. All is takes is imagination on our parts. --STeve Andre' wb8wsf en82 On Friday 15 December 2006 21:46, Bob M. wrote: Oh well, the end of an era. Boo-Hiss. Bob M. == --- Joe Montierth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-269012A1.pdf Techs get tech+ privs, code test gone for general and extra. Joe __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mystery Signal
Hey Nate: Most outstanding was Nate Duehr's (WY0X) successful extraction of Packet data from deep in the modulation. He, using computer filtration and blanking techniques, removed the DTMF zeros and brought the packet data up by what must have been at least 30 db.. He then put this on his server for any and all to try to decode. Nice work here. Many thanks to you. If I ever have a problem with my system, I'm come running to you. Don, KD9PT - Original Message - From: Scott Overstreet To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Scott Overstreet Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 7:19 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Mystery Signal Hello All By this time all of you who have been following and or helping with the identification and location of our mystery signal have probably figured that something has happened due to the silence from this end. Well, if so, you figured rightthe signal quit last Wednesday evening and hasn't been heard since. To add some details-we made ---seems like about the fourth contact with a related arm of our emergency com. organization that has a station using the large municipal tower that I have mentioned previously as being in the approximate center of our Doppler DF convergence. This time, in spite of their repeated assurance that all was well within, they agreed to shut down their station in total. I also ask that they make contact with other hams in their area of their town and particularly those running packet gear of any sort in the hope of finding the signal source. In amazing coincidence to when the tower station was shut down, the mystery signal quit. Nobody is admitting responsibility yet---and the signal has not returned -yet ---in spite of my being told that the tower station is all up again. Looking back at all that happened in identifying the signal is amazing. It started with one of our hams (N6NFI) making a waterfall audio frequency spectral analysis of the signal's modulation which identified the presence of a 100hz. PL tone and the three tone bursts as being DTMF zero's-this explained why our repeater was opening and announcing errors. Next, N6NFI made a wave file recording and sent it on to all of us locals and one of our guys (KR6DD) who was in Maryland on vacation. He analyzed for a while using a borrowed computer finally announcing that he thought that he could see some buried data---he then ask for another recording with open squelch to be sent to him. This was done by N6NFI and I, at this point, put my first message on Repeater Builder (I'm a member of this group) offering the wave file for identification at AE6EO's server. You are all up on the flurry of RB messages that followed this. Most outstanding was Nate Duehr's (WY0X) successful extraction of Packet data from deep in the modulation. He, using computer filtration and blanking techniques, removed the DTMF zeros and brought the packet data up by what must have been at least 30 db.. He then put this on his server for any and all to try to decode. AE6EO back here went to work on it and determined that the format was definitely ham packet format but wasn't able to decode much more than that the origination station was coded as a ? mark-the rest of the data was interrupted by the DTMF tones. About this time, Bill, K6TYO, near here, precisely measured the frequency of the mystery signal as being almost dead on channel and stable which together with several comments from RB people about some Kenwood and Yaesu radios for the ham market being capable of producing the DTMF preamble made it pretty clear that we were looking for a radio of this sort with the DTMF preamble inappropriately activated that had been some how shifted in memory channel to what was in a previous application used to talk to our repeater---what a mouthful! ---and--- that was now connected to a packet controller that was set up to announce the station's presence every half hour. Now, this and back to the top you have the whole picture to this point. And, finally, I want to thank all who participated ,no mater howyou all helped and I and we all appreciate your efforts and suggestions. I would like to list all of you but there are to many to do that. Thanks again! Scott, N6NXI SPECSSouthern Peninsula Emergency Repeater System Mountain View, Calif. 145.270,---224.140,440.800 !DSPAM:1016,458349db934385209328925!
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today
And at the same time, we can train them to lubricate the dynamotors that provide B+ to their rigs? (HT to you G's) Gentlemen, it is time to move on. Even repeaters have voice ID nowadays. 73 Nigel, ve3id/g4ajq STeve Andre' wrote: And the start of another. It is entirely possible to *increase* the number of CW using hams because of this. It's possible to snare folks into the hobby, and then, just when they think they're secure in the lack of a need to ever learn code-- ...They find something that uses it, and the spark of a reason as to why it might be a good idea to learn it ignites... The rest of this is up to us, however. We need to welcome these changes and then find ways to hook them onto CW and all the other wonderful modes we have. It IS possible. All is takes is imagination on our parts. --STeve Andre' wb8wsf en82 On Friday 15 December 2006 21:46, Bob M. wrote: Oh well, the end of an era. Boo-Hiss. Bob M. == --- Joe Montierth [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:skyislandpage%40yahoo.com wrote: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-269012A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-269012A1.pdf Techs get tech+ privs, code test gone for general and extra. Joe __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Nigel Johnson MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU http://nigel.homelinux.net http://va3mcu.ham-radio-op.net You can reach me by voice on Skype: TILBURY2591 If time travel ever will be possible, it already is. Ask me again yesterday This e-mail is not and cannot, by its nature, be confidential. En route from me to you, it will pass across the public Internet, easily readable by any number of system administrators along the way.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Latest msg to Rptr Bldr Message #67251
Kevin, I got one from your email address directly to my address, knew it was spoofed and deleted it. Bunch of deadbeats out there! Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Custer Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 6:38 PM To: allan crites; Repeater Builder Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Latest msg to Rptr Bldr Message #67251 The message was not sent by me, it was spoofed. It happens regularly. One can verify (at least at this point) if a message was originated by me by looking at the To From identification of the email. I always use my real name along with the email address. Spoofed messages come from no name, just kuggie at kuggie . com Kevin allan crites wrote: Kevin, Your latest msg has been infected with a virus says my computer as W32.Sality.U. Please resend. WA9ZZU Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today
Is it a little early for April Fools jokes? Will 10 meters become the next CB band? I will wait and see what happens here... 73 Mike - N7ZEF Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today Oh well, the end of an era. Boo-Hiss. Bob M. == --- Joe Montierth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-269012A1.pdf Techs get tech+ privs, code test gone for general and extra. Joe __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today
Thats what I was wondering.. How long before it becomes socially acceptable to have a roger beep on 10m. There are droves of these mindless twits that are just waiting to bring thier cheap export cb junk radios and amps up to 10... But I will maintain a wait and see attitude.. Actually, Guys, we can do something about this... We do have some power.. The VEC's do accept submissions for the question pools.. Maybe a group could come together and put together the pool from hell. Mike Reed wrote: Is it a little early for April Fools jokes? Will 10 meters become the next CB band? I will wait and see what happens here... 73 Mike - N7ZEF Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today Oh well, the end of an era. Boo-Hiss. Bob M. == --- Joe Montierth [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:skyislandpage%40yahoo.com wrote: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-269012A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-269012A1.pdf Techs get tech+ privs, code test gone for general and extra. Joe __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Jay Urish CCNANetwork Engineer http://jay.unixwolf.net 972.691.0125972.965.6229
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today
- Original Message - From: Jay Urish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today The VEC's do accept submissions for the question pools.. Maybe a group could come together and put together the pool from hell. I, for one, was sorely disappointed with how easy is was to pass the present extra class test. Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF McPherson, Ks
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today
Question about this order is it effective imidiately that the code is no longer required for new licencing and the licenced techs (w/o code) are now equal to tech + (with code) ? OR is there an effective on after date?
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today
Yes, they do - and more than ever, they seem to have conversations with themselves - more than they used to even when ACC made Repeater controllers. Good evening. Over looking the valley from Eleven hundred feet this is the WZ7WXYZ Repeater. The time is eight fifty five on twelve twenty. A R E S Net tonight at seven o'clock P M. Club meeting Friday night at seven thirty P M. The temperature is forty six degrees. The wind is twenty two miles an hour. And that's just the typical initial ID (after first key-up after a no-activity period.) Wait until it's time for any pending IDs and any 10-minute IDs for more important information that the users are breathlessly waiting to hear. Give me a quick repeater callsign (don't even need /R or /RPT any more) in 20WPM CW at a low level that you can talk over, if you need to. ANY day... Anyone who thinks CW is dead never listened to HF in the last couple months to the ARRL CW SS contest, the CQWW DX CW Contest, or to the recent 5A7A DXpedition to Libya. Somebody(s) are working lots of CW (the CW bands were FULL, day and night!) You had to see it to believe it - it was most encouraging to see. LJ -Original Message- From: VE3ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 15, 2006 7:09 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today And at the same time, we can train them to lubricate the dynamotors that provide B+ to their rigs? (HT to you G's) Gentlemen, it is time to move on. Even repeaters have voice ID nowadays. 73 Nigel, ve3id/g4ajq STeve Andre' wrote: And the start of another. It is entirely possible to *increase* the number of CW using hams because of this. It's possible to snare folks into the hobby, and then, just when they think they're secure in the lack of a need to ever learn code-- ...They find something that uses it, and the spark of a reason as to why it might be a good idea to learn it ignites... The rest of this is up to us, however. We need to welcome these changes and then find ways to hook them onto CW and all the other wonderful modes we have. It IS possible. All is takes is imagination on our parts. --STeve Andre' wb8wsf en82 On Friday 15 December 2006 21:46, Bob M. wrote: Oh well, the end of an era. Boo-Hiss. Bob M. == --- Joe Montierth [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:skyislandpage%40yahoo.com wrote: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-269012A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-269012A1.pdf Techs get tech+ privs, code test gone for general and extra. Joe __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Nigel Johnson MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU http://nigel.homelinux.net http://va3mcu.ham-radio-op.net You can reach me by voice on Skype: TILBURY2591 If time travel ever will be possible, it already is. Ask me again yesterday This e-mail is not and cannot, by its nature, be confidential. En route from me to you, it will pass across the public Internet, easily readable by any number of system administrators along the way.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today
--- Dave Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question about this order is it effective imidiately that the code is no longer required for new licencing and the licenced techs (w/o code) are now equal to tech + (with code) ? OR is there an effective on after date? New rules will become effective 30 days after publication in the federal register. This could take several weeks. Best guess is about 60 days from now. Joe __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today
My interpretation is that it will be effective 30 days after it is published in the federal register, so the date hasn't been determined yet. Richard, N7TGB -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Schmidt Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:56 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today Question about this order is it effective imidiately that the code is no longer required for new licencing and the licenced techs (w/o code) are now equal to tech + (with code) ? OR is there an effective on after date?
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today
Ahhh, ok. Well, time to revise my Christmas list and get my nose in the general and extra class written element books. Thanks Dave / N9NLU www.kmcg.org ( SWAP SHOP - Service manuals - Standard, Maxon, Uniden, RCA etc, one lot - 6-7 postal mail bins -- $50 or offer / trade) On 12/16/06, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My interpretation is that it will be effective 30 days after it is published in the federal register, so the date hasn't been determined yet. Richard, N7TGB -Original Message- *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com]*On Behalf Of *Dave Schmidt *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2006 9:56 PM *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today Question about this order is it effective imidiately that the code is no longer required for new licencing and the licenced techs (w/o code) are now equal to tech + (with code) ? OR is there an effective on after date?
RE: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today
Me too. I just ordered the general study guide. Richard, N7TGB -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Schmidt Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 10:25 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today Ahhh, ok. Well, time to revise my Christmas list and get my nose in the general and extra class written element books. Thanks Dave / N9NLU www.kmcg.org ( SWAP SHOP - Service manuals - Standard, Maxon, Uniden, RCA etc, one lot - 6-7 postal mail bins -- $50 or offer / trade) On 12/16/06, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My interpretation is that it will be effective 30 days after it is published in the federal register, so the date hasn't been determined yet. Richard, N7TGB -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Schmidt Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:56 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today Question about this order is it effective imidiately that the code is no longer required for new licencing and the licenced techs (w/o code) are now equal to tech + (with code) ? OR is there an effective on after date?
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement
The end ias nigh the world is falling.. oh thats the sky ( about time it was dropped) just like in my part of the world. From: Bob M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:46:42 -0800 (PST) Oh well, the end of an era. Boo-Hiss. Bob M. == --- Joe Montierth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-269012A1.pdf Techs get tech+ privs, code test gone for general and extra. Joe __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links _ Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search Now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau_t=757263760_r=Hotmail_EndText_Dec06_m=EXT
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today
I'm going to be near AES Milwaukee tomarrow... so I'll stop in and get da books. I already have code tapes and code software I've been trying to learn code for a while, I just have a brick for a brain for learning it and on top of that, something always comes up to distract me from daily practice - I can never get a set schedual for free time a few weeks to learn it... something always comes up to change everything and screw me up. The dropping of the code requirement shouldn't be the end of the code for the people who were trying to learn. I say - keep going. Its a challenge almost like learning a new language. I'll still continue to try and ONE OF THESE DAYS ... I'll make my first cw contact. I just gotta get a few QSLs on my wall for CW comms to add to the FM DX, SSB and even AM work I've done. Dave / N9NLU On 12/16/06, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me too. I just ordered the general study guide. Richard, N7TGB -Original Message- *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com]*On Behalf Of *Dave Schmidt *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2006 10:25 PM *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today Ahhh, ok. Well, time to revise my Christmas list and get my nose in the general and extra class written element books. Thanks Dave / N9NLU www.kmcg.org ( SWAP SHOP - Service manuals - Standard, Maxon, Uniden, RCA etc, one lot - 6-7 postal mail bins -- $50 or offer / trade) On 12/16/06, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My interpretation is that it will be effective 30 days after it is published in the federal register, so the date hasn't been determined yet. Richard, N7TGB -Original Message- *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *Dave Schmidt *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2006 9:56 PM *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today Question about this order is it effective imidiately that the code is no longer required for new licencing and the licenced techs (w/o code) are now equal to tech + (with code) ? OR is there an effective on after date?
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FYI: FCC officially issues RO dropping code requirement today
But how many of those folks actually KNEW CW, and how many were using a program? Joe M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone who thinks CW is dead never listened to HF in the last couple months to the ARRL CW SS contest, the CQWW DX CW Contest, or to the recent 5A7A DXpedition to Libya. Somebody(s) are working lots of CW (the CW bands were FULL, day and night!) You had to see it to believe it - it was most encouraging to see. LJ
