[Repeater-Builder] Re: Source of Coil Slugs

2009-12-17 Thread skipp025

Probably not going to be exactly what you want... but 
I'll throw this out for you. 

Hamtronics sells a grab bag of parts and the bag contains 
coils he/they Jerry/Hamtronics uses on/with their kits. 

I buy the grab bags and I have spare parts and parts to 
proto-type with... and they're cheap. 

(buy the grab bag for the coils... the individual coil 
purchase doesn't have the slugs... 

cheers, 
skipp 

 wb6dgn tallins...@... wrote:
 
 
 I measured the existing coil slugs as follows;
 The slugs for L802 through L809 measure 0.129 at the outside of the threads.
 The slugs for coils L301 and L302 measure 0.180
 I didn't measure the slugs for L801, L810 or L811 as those do appear to tune 
 adequately.
 Hope this helps.
 Tom DGN
 
 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, wb6dgn tallinson2@ wrote:
 
  
  
  Sorry for the lack of detail.  The radio is a 42 to 50 Mc. Motran with the 
  L series receiver (same as used in the Motrac).  There are a total of 13 
  tuned circuits in the front end and multiplier but only 3 of them seem to 
  tune at all.  Those are L801, 810 and 811.  The other preselector coils, 
  L802 through L809 do not tune nor do the multiplier coils, L301 and L302.  
  Interestingly, the radio does receive a local repeater when I tack a short 
  piece of wire onto the first mixer input point so, obviously, the 
  multiplier chain is on the correct harmonic and has some output at the 
  correct frequency.  The test set indication is quite low, however, compared 
  to the original frequency, so I know that the circuits are not tuned to 
  resonance.  I am not able to get even a strong signal through the front 
  end, though.  I did carefully remove all of the related coil slugs without 
  breaking any of them and will mic them and repost later this evening.  L802 
  through L809 are ABOUT 3/16 dia and L301, 302 are about 1/4 but will give 
  more precise measurements later.  Thanks much for the replies and 
  suggestion.  There's a good old-fashioned hardware store not too far from 
  me, will check with them tomorrow.
  Tom DGN
  
  --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lemmon wb6fly@ wrote:
  
   Tom,
   
   If you identify the make and model of the radio, perhaps someone who has
   gone this route before can comment.  Otherwise, carefully remove one of 
   the
   slugs and take it to a good hardware store where you can use a thread 
   gauge
   to identify the thread diameter and pitch.  With luck, that store may have
   machine screws in brass and aluminum that can be trimmed to make the 
   proper
   slugs.
   
   73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
   
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
   [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wb6dgn
   Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:46 PM
   To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Source of Coil Slugs
   
 
   
   I'm trying to modify a commercial boat anchor from 42 - 50 Mc. up to the 6
   meter ham band. Not even one coil in the RF preselector and 1st
   oscillator/multiplier chain will tune into the ham band, which is very
   unusual for this radio. There are just too many tuned circuits to consider
   removing coil windings or changing capacitors so I want to try using brass
   or aluminum coil slugs in place of the powdered iron ones now used. Does
   anyone know of a source for these slugs? I can mic. the slug diameter and
   guestimate the thread pitch if anyone has any suggestions. TIA for any/all
   help.
   Tom DGN
  
 





Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Source of Coil Slugs

2009-12-17 Thread w7trh


Tom, 



Your project brings back alot of memories. 



I do have a good assortment of low value mica caps (same physical size as used 
across helicals). Lots of 2pf on up to at least 10pf. I used many of the caps 
to Pad coils in Sensicon and Motrac rigs, in years gone by. I enjoy Motrac 
Stuff...Still using a Motrac rpt.(100w tube PA). 



Let me know off line if you require any caps..Merry Christmas! 



Tim W7TRH / AFA0TP Wa. 
- Original Message - 
From: wb6dgn tallins...@yahoo.com 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:17:07 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Source of Coil Slugs 

  






I measured the existing coil slugs as follows; 
The slugs for L802 through L809 measure 0.129 at the outside of the threads. 
The slugs for coils L301 and L302 measure 0.180 
I didn't measure the slugs for L801, L810 or L811 as those do appear to tune 
adequately. 
Hope this helps. 
Tom DGN 

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com , wb6dgn tallins...@... wrote: 
 
 
 
 Sorry for the lack of detail. The radio is a 42 to 50 Mc. Motran with the L 
 series receiver (same as used in the Motrac). There are a total of 13 tuned 
 circuits in the front end and multiplier but only 3 of them seem to tune at 
 all. Those are L801, 810 and 811. The other preselector coils, L802 through 
 L809 do not tune nor do the multiplier coils, L301 and L302. Interestingly, 
 the radio does receive a local repeater when I tack a short piece of wire 
 onto the first mixer input point so, obviously, the multiplier chain is on 
 the correct harmonic and has some output at the correct frequency. The test 
 set indication is quite low, however, compared to the original frequency, so 
 I know that the circuits are not tuned to resonance. I am not able to get 
 even a strong signal through the front end, though. I did carefully remove 
 all of the related coil slugs without breaking any of them and will mic them 
 and repost later this evening. L802 through L809 are ABOUT 3/16 dia and 
 L301, 302 are about 1/4 but will give more precise measurements later. 
 Thanks much for the replies and suggestion. There's a good old-fashioned 
 hardware store not too far from me, will check with them tomorrow. 
 Tom DGN 
 
 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com , Eric Lemmon wb6fly@ wrote: 
  
  Tom, 
  
  If you identify the make and model of the radio, perhaps someone who has 
  gone this route before can comment. Otherwise, carefully remove one of the 
  slugs and take it to a good hardware store where you can use a thread gauge 
  to identify the thread diameter and pitch. With luck, that store may have 
  machine screws in brass and aluminum that can be trimmed to make the proper 
  slugs. 
  
  73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY 
  
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  [mailto: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of wb6dgn 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:46 PM 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Source of Coil Slugs 
  
  
  
  I'm trying to modify a commercial boat anchor from 42 - 50 Mc. up to the 6 
  meter ham band. Not even one coil in the RF preselector and 1st 
  oscillator/multiplier chain will tune into the ham band, which is very 
  unusual for this radio. There are just too many tuned circuits to consider 
  removing coil windings or changing capacitors so I want to try using brass 
  or aluminum coil slugs in place of the powdered iron ones now used. Does 
  anyone know of a source for these slugs? I can mic. the slug diameter and 
  guestimate the thread pitch if anyone has any suggestions. TIA for any/all 
  help. 
  Tom DGN 
  
 




RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Source of Coil Slugs - OT reply

2009-12-17 Thread Mark
Holy cow, Skipp!!  I haven't conjugated verbs for years... (Is that the
term??)

I/you/he/she/we/they/it... Wow!!  Hahahaha

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com  On Behalf Of skipp025

Probably not going to be exactly what you want... but 
I'll throw this out for you. 

Hamtronics sells a grab bag of parts and the bag contains 
coils he/they Jerry/Hamtronics uses on/with their kits. 

I buy the grab bags and I have spare parts and parts to 
proto-type with... and they're cheap. 

(buy the grab bag for the coils... the individual coil 
purchase doesn't have the slugs... 

cheers, 
skipp 



[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Spectra Power Cord Reversal

2009-12-17 Thread Stephen M. Parker
Thanks to all for the advice about the Spectra that I connected reverse
polarity power to. Replacing the big, honkin' diode near where the red power
lead connects to the board solved the problem. Apparently, no other damage
was done, despite my foolish oversight. And, thanks to Motorola for a good
engineering design!

It's nice to find a friendly, helpful group like this one! Thanks again to
those who responded to my plea.
_
Stephen, WR9A
shortw...@verizon.net




RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Spectra Power Cord Reversal

2009-12-17 Thread Mark
FB, Stephen.  Glad to hear you were able to resurrect it!

Mark - N9WYS

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com  On Behalf Of Stephen M. Parker

Thanks to all for the advice about the Spectra that I connected reverse
polarity power to. Replacing the big, honkin' diode near where the red power
lead connects to the board solved the problem. Apparently, no other damage
was done, despite my foolish oversight. And, thanks to Motorola for a good
engineering design!

It's nice to find a friendly, helpful group like this one! Thanks again to
those who responded to my plea.
_
Stephen, WR9A
shortw...@verizon.net



RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Spectra Power Cord Reversal

2009-12-17 Thread Eric Vincent
Hello Stephen,

 

Just to let you know, a friend of me gave me a Motorola Maxtrac100 and like
you he plug the power in reverse. The power plug was not made by Motorola
and colours was reversed (without fuse).

 

Here all the parts I changed, someone was shorted, open or completely
destroy.

 

Logic Board HLN9123A

VR807

Q802

U401

Q401

Q506

Q507

Q402

 

VHF 25 Watts RF amplifier:

Q2320

R2371

L2233

CE2370

 

Maybe this information can be good for someone with similar trouble…

73’ Eric VE2VXT /VE7

 

 

 

  _  

De : Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] De la part de Mark
Envoyé : 17 décembre 2009 15:36
À : Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Objet : RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Spectra Power Cord Reversal

 

  

FB, Stephen. Glad to hear you were able to resurrect it!

Mark - N9WYS

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com
yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Stephen M. Parker

Thanks to all for the advice about the Spectra that I connected reverse
polarity power to. Replacing the big, honkin' diode near where the red power
lead connects to the board solved the problem. Apparently, no other damage
was done, despite my foolish oversight. And, thanks to Motorola for a good
engineering design!

It's nice to find a friendly, helpful group like this one! Thanks again to
those who responded to my plea.
_
Stephen, WR9A
shortw...@verizon. mailto:shortwave%40verizon.net net





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[Repeater-Builder] Mastr2 19C320671G2 Intercom board info?

2009-12-17 Thread kk2ed
Can anyone point me to an LBI for the following GE MastrII board?
19C320671G2 Intercom module

I would like to review a schematic of this board and see how I can utilize it 
to source filtered/de-emphasized receive audio.

Thanks
Eric
KE2D




[Repeater-Builder] GE MastrII CAS vs. RUS vs. RX Mute?

2009-12-17 Thread kk2ed
After looking over the LBIs and performing a few conversions, I have a question 
regarding which everyone feels is the best source for a CAS signal into a 
repeater controller - CAS, RUS, or RX Mute.

In regards to a COS source, I see a number of publications and sites recommend 
CAS, then I see a few others using RUS, and looking at the schematics, it 
appears RX Mute may not be a bad choice also.

As originally configured, per the LBIs, a Channel Guard configured MastrII 
would trigger CAS with a carrier squelch signal, and RUS would only go active 
with the proper PL tone present. But once the Channel Guard board is removed, 
is one any better than the other for cos usage?

Assuming C630 is in place on the IFAS board, does only one of the above sources 
afford the dual speed squelch action, and the others not, or do all three 
provide the same dual-speed muting action? Looking at the IFAS schematic and 
squelch chip block diagram, it is not very clear.

Also assume the PL detect signal has been isolated from the squelch circuit, 
and only feeds the external repeater controller, so there would be no 
interaction regardless of PL being present or not (similar to removing JU202 on 
a Micor AS board to isolate pl from causing the squelch chip into long mode 
whenever pl is present).


Eric
KE2D




RE: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr2 19C320671G2 Intercom board info?

2009-12-17 Thread Eric Lemmon
Eric,

My GE microfiche reveals that LBI-4831, -30951, and -30965 contain
information about the 19C320671G2 module.  Alas, none of these LBIs is on
the RBTIP GE listing.  If you are unable to find any of the stated LBIs, I
may be able to extract a (barely-readable) schematic directly from the
microfiche.  It won't be pretty, but it may meet your needs.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kk2ed
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:41 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr2 19C320671G2 Intercom board info?

  

Can anyone point me to an LBI for the following GE MastrII board?
19C320671G2 Intercom module

I would like to review a schematic of this board and see how I can utilize
it to source filtered/de-emphasized receive audio.

Thanks
Eric
KE2D



[Repeater-Builder] Re: Mastr2 19C320671G2 Intercom board info?

2009-12-17 Thread kk2ed


Thanks for the fast reply, Eric.  I also spent the past hour or so downloading 
and reviewing various LBIs, only to reach your same conclusion. Google and 
Yahoo only yielded a few classified listings of boards for sale, and one 9-land 
ham has a few pics of one in his 6m conversion project.

Probing around with the COM120B, a scope probe, and the remaining LBIs,  it 
looks like it takes the post-pl filter de-emphasized audio just before the 
speaker amplifier, then squelch-gates it, and provides it at a proper level to 
drive a 600 ohm circuit, or something close, as used in remote voting receiver 
apps. I noticed it provided a nice receive audio source for an external 
controller at pin P931-15 (Audio To Line), but I would like to really see what 
exactly is taking place before I commit to using it. 

Currently, for my conversions, I have been taking rx audio from the IFAS board 
pin 16, which is downstream from the vol/sq high side, after it has been thru 
the volume control (in the case of the station units, a fixed pot on the main 
board, then thru the pl filter/high pass/de-emph filter.  It provides a nice 
quality filtered and de-emph'ed rx audio source, although it is not squelch 
gated.  Not an issue with most controllers, however.  In fact, preferred when 
COR or PL mode is used. I simply solder a jumper on the A901 System Board 
from IFAS pin 16 (RX PA) to point H59, which is hardwired to SPARE J932-5, 
providing a rf feedthrough out of the rf deck alongside the rest of the needed 
external controller signals (ptt, tx audio, cos, pl detect, etc..).  I simply 
set the fixed volume pot on the system board so as to obtain 1v pp (.353v rms) 
at J932-5.  Then, if someone wants to vary the volume at the monitor speaker, 
simply use the low-mid-high and rec1-off-rec2 switches on the control shelf, 
rather than touching the pot on the system board inside the rf deck tray.

Eric
KE2D
 

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lemmon wb6...@... wrote:

 Eric,
 
 My GE microfiche reveals that LBI-4831, -30951, and -30965 contain
 information about the 19C320671G2 module.  Alas, none of these LBIs is on
 the RBTIP GE listing.  If you are unable to find any of the stated LBIs, I
 may be able to extract a (barely-readable) schematic directly from the
 microfiche.  It won't be pretty, but it may meet your needs.
 
 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kk2ed
 Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:41 PM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr2 19C320671G2 Intercom board info?
 
   
 
 Can anyone point me to an LBI for the following GE MastrII board?
 19C320671G2 Intercom module
 
 I would like to review a schematic of this board and see how I can utilize
 it to source filtered/de-emphasized receive audio.
 
 Thanks
 Eric
 KE2D





[Repeater-Builder] Re: Mastr2 19C320671G2 Intercom board info?

2009-12-17 Thread kk2ed
When you have a free moment, a scan of the lbi would be greatly appreciated. 
Something is better than nothing, even mo' better when it's something for free!


Thanks
Eric
KE2D


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lemmon wb6...@... wrote:

 Eric,
 
 My GE microfiche reveals that LBI-4831, -30951, and -30965 contain
 information about the 19C320671G2 module.  Alas, none of these LBIs is on
 the RBTIP GE listing.  If you are unable to find any of the stated LBIs, I
 may be able to extract a (barely-readable) schematic directly from the
 microfiche.  It won't be pretty, but it may meet your needs.
 
 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kk2ed
 Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:41 PM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr2 19C320671G2 Intercom board info?
 
   
 
 Can anyone point me to an LBI for the following GE MastrII board?
 19C320671G2 Intercom module
 
 I would like to review a schematic of this board and see how I can utilize
 it to source filtered/de-emphasized receive audio.
 
 Thanks
 Eric
 KE2D





Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE MastrII CAS vs. RUS vs. RX Mute?

2009-12-17 Thread no6b
At 12/17/2009 18:54, you wrote:
After looking over the LBIs and performing a few conversions, I have a 
question regarding which everyone feels is the best source for a CAS 
signal into a repeater controller - CAS, RUS, or RX Mute.

I used to use RUS, until I discovered that the attack (invalid to valid 
transition) is significantly delayed, around 50 ms.  CAS does not have this 
delay,  I find that the fast squelch performance is better because the 
chopping is less pronounced.  This is because even though the squelch does 
briefly close on signal nulls during mobile flutter, it opens much faster, 
so the chopping isn't as noticeable.

I still use Micor squelch boards in all my UHF MVPs  Mastr II RXs, but I 
don't bother on the VHF radios as I find the Mastr II squelch works well 
enough.

Bob NO6B



[Repeater-Builder] Re: Source of Coil Slugs

2009-12-17 Thread wb6dgn


Thanks for all the replies and the suggestions.  I don't think I'm brave enough 
to try to get in there and change coil windings or capacitors in this radio; 
just too many tuned circuits and some are literally buried under a lot of 
active circuitry.  Disassembling all of that just to get at the coil would be a 
project beyond my present ability (not that I haven't done that MANY years 
ago).  Also complicating the task is Motorola's use of fabric insulation on the 
wiring which, by now, has become somewhat brittle, I'm sure.  I've seen radios 
where you just breathe on that wire and the insulation falls off.  If I want to 
build (rebuild) a radio, I think it would probably be a K2 (Hi Hi).  I will 
keep the availability of the capacitors in mind, though.  In some of my other 
projects, that will come in very handy, I'm sure.  I did see one reference to 
slug sizes vs. screw size at Surplus Sales.com.  They show the 0.180 as an 
8-32 thread and 0.125 as 6-32.  If I read that right, maybe finding those slugs 
won't be as difficult as I first expected.  If all else fails and the 
prototypes do as I expect, I can probably take some brass screws to a machine 
shop and heve him cut them to length and cut some nice clean slots in the ends 
for a tuning tool.  If anybody is interested, I will follow up with what 
happens.  Also, still looking for a Motrac/Motran (preferably LB) PARTS radio 
for hardware, etc. so if anybody has a junker, please let me know.
Thanks everybody,
Tom DGN

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, w7...@... wrote:

 
 
 Tom, 
 
 
 
 Your project brings back alot of memories. 
 
 
 
 I do have a good assortment of low value mica caps (same physical size as 
 used across helicals). Lots of 2pf on up to at least 10pf. I used many of the 
 caps to Pad coils in Sensicon and Motrac rigs, in years gone by. I enjoy 
 Motrac Stuff...Still using a Motrac rpt.(100w tube PA). 
 
 
 
 Let me know off line if you require any caps..Merry Christmas! 
 
 
 
 Tim W7TRH / AFA0TP Wa. 
 - Original Message - 
 From: wb6dgn tallins...@... 
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:17:07 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Source of Coil Slugs 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I measured the existing coil slugs as follows; 
 The slugs for L802 through L809 measure 0.129 at the outside of the threads. 
 The slugs for coils L301 and L302 measure 0.180 
 I didn't measure the slugs for L801, L810 or L811 as those do appear to tune 
 adequately. 
 Hope this helps. 
 Tom DGN 
 
 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com , wb6dgn tallinson2@ wrote: 
  
  
  
  Sorry for the lack of detail. The radio is a 42 to 50 Mc. Motran with the 
  L series receiver (same as used in the Motrac). There are a total of 13 
  tuned circuits in the front end and multiplier but only 3 of them seem to 
  tune at all. Those are L801, 810 and 811. The other preselector coils, L802 
  through L809 do not tune nor do the multiplier coils, L301 and L302. 
  Interestingly, the radio does receive a local repeater when I tack a short 
  piece of wire onto the first mixer input point so, obviously, the 
  multiplier chain is on the correct harmonic and has some output at the 
  correct frequency. The test set indication is quite low, however, compared 
  to the original frequency, so I know that the circuits are not tuned to 
  resonance. I am not able to get even a strong signal through the front end, 
  though. I did carefully remove all of the related coil slugs without 
  breaking any of them and will mic them and repost later this evening. L802 
  through L809 are ABOUT 3/16 dia and L301, 302 are about 1/4 but will give 
  more precise measurements later. Thanks much for the replies and 
  suggestion. There's a good old-fashioned hardware store not too far from 
  me, will check with them tomorrow. 
  Tom DGN 
  
  --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com , Eric Lemmon wb6fly@ wrote: 
   
   Tom, 
   
   If you identify the make and model of the radio, perhaps someone who has 
   gone this route before can comment. Otherwise, carefully remove one of 
   the 
   slugs and take it to a good hardware store where you can use a thread 
   gauge 
   to identify the thread diameter and pitch. With luck, that store may have 
   machine screws in brass and aluminum that can be trimmed to make the 
   proper 
   slugs. 
   
   73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY 
   
   
   -Original Message- 
   From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
   [mailto: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of wb6dgn 
   Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:46 PM 
   To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
   Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Source of Coil Slugs 
   
   
   
   I'm trying to modify a commercial boat anchor from 42 - 50 Mc. up to the 
   6 
   meter ham band. Not even one coil in the RF preselector and 1st 
   oscillator/multiplier chain will tune into the ham band, which is very 
   unusual for 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Source of Coil Slugs - OT reply

2009-12-17 Thread skipp025
English is a tough language for me...  one of 8 to 
12 languages I try to trip/fake/bobble my way 
through/around without much luck/success/rubber-chickens. 

:-) 
s.

 Mark n9...@... wrote:

 Holy cow, Skipp!!  I haven't conjugated verbs for years... (Is that the
 term??)
 
 I/you/he/she/we/they/it... Wow!!  Hahahaha
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com  On Behalf Of skipp025
 
 Probably not going to be exactly what you want... but 
 I'll throw this out for you. 
 
 Hamtronics sells a grab bag of parts and the bag contains 
 coils he/they Jerry/Hamtronics uses on/with their kits. 
 
 I buy the grab bags and I have spare parts and parts to 
 proto-type with... and they're cheap. 
 
 (buy the grab bag for the coils... the individual coil 
 purchase doesn't have the slugs... 
 
 cheers, 
 skipp





Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Source of Coil Slugs

2009-12-17 Thread JOHN MACKEY
The 42 to 50 Mhz Motrac/Motran L receiver should tune 6 meters just fine
EXCEPT for the crystal multiplier stage which will need 3 capacitors changed
to lower values.

If you are having trouble tuning the RF receiver front end, the manual tells
you to remove the cover and use a signal generator thru a capacitor to inject
signal into each stage for tuning the individual adjustments.  Then inject
signal in to the normal RF input and tune the entire front end.

-- Original Message --
Received: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:17:30 PM PST
From: wb6dgn tallins...@yahoo.com
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Source of Coil Slugs

 
 
 I measured the existing coil slugs as follows;
 The slugs for L802 through L809 measure 0.129 at the outside of the
threads.
 The slugs for coils L301 and L302 measure 0.180
 I didn't measure the slugs for L801, L810 or L811 as those do appear to tune
adequately.
 Hope this helps.
 Tom DGN
 
 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, wb6dgn tallins...@... wrote:
 
  
  
  Sorry for the lack of detail.  The radio is a 42 to 50 Mc. Motran with the
L series receiver (same as used in the Motrac).  There are a total of 13
tuned circuits in the front end and multiplier but only 3 of them seem to tune
at all.  Those are L801, 810 and 811.  The other preselector coils, L802
through L809 do not tune nor do the multiplier coils, L301 and L302. 
Interestingly, the radio does receive a local repeater when I tack a short
piece of wire onto the first mixer input point so, obviously, the multiplier
chain is on the correct harmonic and has some output at the correct frequency.
 The test set indication is quite low, however, compared to the original
frequency, so I know that the circuits are not tuned to resonance.  I am not
able to get even a strong signal through the front end, though.  I did
carefully remove all of the related coil slugs without breaking any of them
and will mic them and repost later this evening.  L802 through L809 are ABOUT
3/16 dia and L301, 302 are about 1/4 but will give more precise measurements
later.  Thanks much for the replies and suggestion.  There's a good
old-fashioned hardware store not too far from me, will check with them
tomorrow.
  Tom DGN
  
  --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lemmon wb6fly@ wrote:
  
   Tom,
   
   If you identify the make and model of the radio, perhaps someone who
has
   gone this route before can comment.  Otherwise, carefully remove one of
the
   slugs and take it to a good hardware store where you can use a thread
gauge
   to identify the thread diameter and pitch.  With luck, that store may
have
   machine screws in brass and aluminum that can be trimmed to make the
proper
   slugs.
   
   73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
   
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
   [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wb6dgn
   Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:46 PM
   To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Source of Coil Slugs
   
 
   
   I'm trying to modify a commercial boat anchor from 42 - 50 Mc. up to the
6
   meter ham band. Not even one coil in the RF preselector and 1st
   oscillator/multiplier chain will tune into the ham band, which is very
   unusual for this radio. There are just too many tuned circuits to
consider
   removing coil windings or changing capacitors so I want to try using
brass
   or aluminum coil slugs in place of the powdered iron ones now used.
Does
   anyone know of a source for these slugs? I can mic. the slug diameter
and
   guestimate the thread pitch if anyone has any suggestions. TIA for
any/all
   help.
   Tom DGN