[Repeater-Builder] Re:building a repeater out of 2 Kenwood TK-830G's

[wb6dgn]

>Except for one thing-the x20 series radios weren't type
> accepted for narrowband, and the FCC has already said that
> if that's the case, it won't fly.

The "last time around", when a manufacturer wished to provide a "narrow banding 
kit" for a previously type accepted radio, they applied to the FCC for a 
"supplemental type certificate" (STC) covering the modification kit installed 
in the subject equipment.  This STC number was attached to the radio ID plate 
in addition to or in place of the original type acceptance number.  This kit 
was then dealer or service shop installed in accordance with the manufacturer's 
instructions.  This then provided an updated type acceptance ID for that 
subject radio model series with the kit installed.  It was not up to the user, 
nor the user's local radio shop to apply for this.  This program and the rather 
extensive engineering data required was originated and and undertaken by the 
original equipment manufacturer BUT installed by a local radio repair facility. 
 While receiver modifications were not required nor covered by the STC, they 
were also supplied in every case that I am aware of, as part of the "narrow 
banding kit".


> > When Narrow Banding is officially jammed down our throats... I
> > stock and sell the factory Narrow Band Kits for the TKR-720 and
> > the TKR-820 Repeaters...

Based on the above, if this is truly a "factory" kit, it would appear that 
Kenwood has, indeed, applied for the appropriate STC (or whatever it's called 
this time around) and has jumped through the appropriate FCC "hoops" to obtain 
the requisite approval. 

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "skipp025"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > wd8chl  wrote: 
> > Except for one thing-the x20 series radios weren't type 
> > accepted for narrowband, and the FCC has already said that 
> > if that's the case, it won't fly. 
> 
> Based on my direct in-person conversations with FCC Agents, 
> simply reducing the transmit deviation to narrow band 
> specifications doesn't violate the existing type acceptance 
> and the resultant operation is in compliance with the narrow 
> band rules. Doesn't really matter what receiver equipment 
> changes were made. 
> 
> The same FCC Agents also acknowledge and the rules clearly 
> state the emissions are the responsibility of the License Holder. 
> 
> I would expect and take the opinion that proper emission 
> operation within legal narrow band standards using legacy 
> type accepted land mobile equipment will not be a legality 
> problem and have had that opinion confirmed more than once 
> by FCC Agents, in fact once again last week at IWCE. 
> 
> > Someone would have to send a unit in after the mods and 
> > get it re-certified for 12.5 (or 11.0) bandwidth. You can 
> > bet Kenwood ain't gonna do it. This only applies to Part 
> > 90 frequencies, btw. Parts 22, 80, 95, and 97 aren't 
> > affected. Sorry...
> 
> Yeah, yeah.. based on my personal inquiries I expect the 
> majority of people who get excited about Type Accepted 
> legacy radio equipment properly operating narrow band will 
> not be the FCC. 
> 
> I've never had nor would I expect an inspecting FCC Field Agent 
> ask to see an equipment type acceptance cert/number. Being the 
> responsible person as the License Holder I'm not going to now 
> worry about a current type accepted transmitter now legally 
> operating narrow band becoming illegal because it's not on an  
> equipment list after a certain date. 
> 
> cheers, 
> s. 
> 
> > On 3/17/2010 12:06 PM, skipp025 wrote:
> > 
> > > 50 cent plug...
> > > When Narrow Banding is officially jammed down our throats... I
> > > stock and sell the factory Narrow Band Kits for the TKR-720 and
> > > the TKR-820 Repeaters...
> >
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood TKR-850

[k7pfj]

Norm,.

Good to talk this evening and hope you get the repeater singing soon.



Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ
6886 Sage Ave
Firestone, CO 80504
303-736-9693
k7...@skybeam.com





On Mar 19, 2010, at 7:42 PM, k4gfd tds.net wrote:

> I looking for info on the Kenwood TKR-850 repeater will it tune to 444.9750 
> tx I have the rx tuned is there a mod any info will be help ful
> 
> -- 
> Norm Scholer k4...@tds.net
> 850-251-6430
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood TKR-850

[NORM KNAPP]

The tkr-850 will work in the ham band and it will work quite well.
73

- Original Message -
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Fri Mar 19 20:42:03 2010
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood TKR-850

  

I looking for info on the Kenwood TKR-850 repeater will it tune to 444.9750 tx 
I have the rx tuned is there a mod any info will be help ful

-- 
Norm Scholer k4...@tds.net
850-251-6430

[Repeater-Builder] Kenwood TKR-850

[k4gfd tds.net]

I looking for info on the Kenwood TKR-850 repeater will it tune to 444.9750
tx I have the rx tuned is there a mod any info will be help ful

-- 
Norm Scholer k4...@tds.net
850-251-6430

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood help needed.

[Eric Lemmon]

According to Kenwood's brochure, the TK-860HG-1 is a 128-channel, 40 watt
radio for the 450-470 MHz band.  The TK-862HG-1 is the same power and range,
but 8 channel.  More info here:


73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Isom
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 9:19 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood help needed.

  

Sorry, The TK-830 is a straight 830.  The others are TK-860HG-1 and
TK-862HG-1
Thanks for the Info.
Bill
PS I have more of the TK-860HG-1 and TK-862HG-1 than I know what to do with,
If anyone is interested,  Please contact me direct




From: Eric Lemmon 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 11:26:39 AM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood help needed.

  

Bill,

Please be specific about your radio model numbers, and include any suffix
letters and/or numbers.

For the TK-830 radio (but not the TK-830G, TK-830H, TK-8302H, TK-830HU, or
TK-8302U) the service manual is B51-8176-00, about $24.

For the TK-860 and TK-862 radios (but not the TK-86x-G, TK-86xGK, or
TK-86xHG) the service manual is B51-8328-00, about $23.

Order these manuals and programming supplies from any Kenwood parts house,
such as www.pacparts. com

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
 
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
 ] On Behalf Of Bill Isom
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 4:57 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood help needed.

Good morning to all and thank you for all of the information I have already
received on this site. 
I have just received some Kenwood TK-830 TK-860 and TK-862 radios. They
appear to be in good condition, but I am new to Kenwood and now I need
service manuals, cables, and software to program them. Is there anyone out
there who can help? Many thanks, 
Bill 
N4XIR

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood help needed.

[Bill Isom]

Sorry, The TK-830 is a straight 830.  The others are TK-860HG-1 and TK-862HG-1
Thanks for the Info.
Bill
PS I have more of the TK-860HG-1 and TK-862HG-1 than I know what to do with, If 
anyone is interested,  Please contact me direct





From: Eric Lemmon 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 11:26:39 AM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood help needed.

  
Bill,

Please be specific about your radio model numbers, and include any suffix
letters and/or numbers.

For the TK-830 radio (but not the TK-830G, TK-830H, TK-8302H, TK-830HU, or
TK-8302U) the service manual is B51-8176-00, about $24.

For the TK-860 and TK-862 radios (but not the TK-86x-G, TK-86xGK, or
TK-86xHG) the service manual is B51-8328-00, about $23.

Order these manuals and programming supplies from any Kenwood parts house,
such as www.pacparts. com

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Bill Isom
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 4:57 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood help needed.

Good morning to all and thank you for all of the information I have already
received on this site. 
I have just received some Kenwood TK-830 TK-860 and TK-862 radios. They
appear to be in good condition, but I am new to Kenwood and now I need
service manuals, cables, and software to program them. Is there anyone out
there who can help? Many thanks, 
Bill 
N4XIR





  

[Repeater-Builder] I need Information about Repeater Kenwood PMR K4

[gijon_pilot]

Good morning,

I just purchased a relay K4 Kenwood PMR. This repeater it have a Kenwood TK-709 
(VHF) and two TK-809 (UHF)equipment.
I would like further information to start a new project with all this stuff. I 
need manuals and type of cables are required to configure the equipment and the 
repeater.
Thanks in advance

Robert

EB1DQH

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood help needed.

[Eric Lemmon]

Bill,

Please be specific about your radio model numbers, and include any suffix
letters and/or numbers.

For the TK-830 radio (but not the TK-830G, TK-830H, TK-8302H, TK-830HU, or
TK-8302U) the service manual is B51-8176-00, about $24.

For the TK-860 and TK-862 radios (but not the TK-86x-G, TK-86xGK, or
TK-86xHG) the service manual is B51-8328-00, about $23.

Order these manuals and programming supplies from any Kenwood parts house,
such as www.pacparts.com

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Isom
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 4:57 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood help needed.

  

Good morning to all and thank you for all of the information I have already
received on this site. 
 I have just received some Kenwood TK-830 TK-860 and TK-862 radios.  They
appear to be in good condition, but I am new to Kenwood and now I need
service manuals,  cables, and software to program them. Is there anyone out
there who can help?  Many thanks, 
Bill 
N4XIR

[Repeater-Builder] Kenwood help needed.

[Bill Isom]

Good morning to all and thank you for all of the information I have already 
received on this site. 
 I have just received some Kenwood TK-830 TK-860 and TK-862 radios.  They 
appear to be in good condition, but I am new to Kenwood and now I need 
service manuals,  cables, and software to program them. Is there anyone out 
there who can help?  Many thanks, 
Bill 
N4XIR