Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range
Might this be the one: http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/albums/Tchaikovsky-1812-Overture-Beethoven-Wellingtons-Vi/ Possibly Mike was confused which album it was on. I'm not sure if this one has the cannons or not. Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Rd Boswell, PA 15531 - Original Message - From: Mark To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:10 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range That's the one I have. Mike was talking about one featuring the 1812 Overture. Mark - N9WYS From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Scott Zimmerman Mike, I'm not sure if this is the EXACT disc Mike was talking about, but here is Time Warp from Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra: http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/albums/Time-Warp/ This is where they have the disc and MP3's for sale. If you do a search for torrents, there are several available. Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Rd Boswell, PA 15531 - Original Message - From: Mike Dietrich To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range (WAS: APCO P25 horror stories anyone?) Does anybody have a copy of this TIME WARP CD you are talking about, that they would share ? Sounds neet. Thanks in advance. Mike - Original Message - From: Mark To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range (WAS: APCO P25 horror stories anyone?) Mike, Funny you should mention Telarc... I have the disc titled Time Warp (Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra) The disc has a prominent WARNING on the front label that read: Warning! TIME WARP contains some of the most powerful signal content ever released on a commercial recording. Please refer to the caution notice on Page 10. The Page 10 notice reads: Telarc Digital Compact Discs, especially those containing substantially wide dynamic range, will present an extraordinary challenge to all stereo systems. Certain components - even the finest - may have problems with the most demanding passages. *Damage could result to speakers or other components if the musical program is played back at excessively high levels..* WARNING! Lower levels are recommended for initial playback until a safe level can be determined for your equipment. The first musical passage, called Ascent, starts with what can best be described as a SHARP thump/chime. A friend of mine bought the disk and blew up out speakers the first time he played the disc... Apparently he didn't heed the warning, eh? hehehehe Over the years, my old stereo system has been retired, piece by piece. One of the last to go were me matched pair of Utah HS1-C speakers. I hated to see them go, but then again, my hearing isn't what is was back then, either... so I can't appreciate them like I used to be able to. :-( -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Some thoughts that are even more slightly off topic... 1000 recordings to hear before you die http://www.1000recordings.com/book/ And my stereo is also hollow-state mostly Heathkit but with new filter caps. I remember looking at the output of an early high-end CD player (Sony? I forget) on a scope. It had tremendous dynamic range. Much better then vinyl or even 7.5ips magnetic tape. Totally wasted with todays music. The only thing I could find that would max it out (i.e. run the output from rail-to-rail) was a Telarc 1979 CD of the 1812 Overture featuring REAL cannon. The CD case insert said that the producers were able to track down some of the original type of cannon that would have been used then. And it specifically warned that the recording could damage speakers. The Deutsche Gramophone recording of the same piece is almost as good - both bottomed out my subwoofers. Around the 4th of July some years PBS shows the old WGBH tape of the 1990 (or so) Boston Pops 4th of July show. The later years have the show at night but this is an late afternoon / early evening show and at the right point you can see John Williams picking up a handheld radio that he had on his music stand and cuing the Massachusetts National Guard that was sitting on the far side of the Charles river with multiple 155mm howitzers firing blanks. Not quite the same, but very impressive. They still do it - some years it's the Guard, other
Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range
Mike, I'm not sure if this is the EXACT disc Mike was talking about, but here is Time Warp from Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra: http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/albums/Time-Warp/ This is where they have the disc and MP3's for sale. If you do a search for torrents, there are several available. Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Rd Boswell, PA 15531 - Original Message - From: Mike Dietrich To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range (WAS: APCO P25 horror stories anyone?) Does anybody have a copy of this TIME WARP CD you are talking about, that they would share ? Sounds neet. Thanks in advance. Mike - Original Message - From: Mark To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range (WAS: APCO P25 horror stories anyone?) Mike, Funny you should mention Telarc... I have the disc titled Time Warp (Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra) The disc has a prominent WARNING on the front label that read: Warning! TIME WARP contains some of the most powerful signal content ever released on a commercial recording. Please refer to the caution notice on Page 10. The Page 10 notice reads: Telarc Digital Compact Discs, especially those containing substantially wide dynamic range, will present an extraordinary challenge to all stereo systems. Certain components - even the finest - may have problems with the most demanding passages. *Damage could result to speakers or other components if the musical program is played back at excessively high levels..* WARNING! Lower levels are recommended for initial playback until a safe level can be determined for your equipment. The first musical passage, called Ascent, starts with what can best be described as a SHARP thump/chime. A friend of mine bought the disk and blew up out speakers the first time he played the disc... Apparently he didn't heed the warning, eh? hehehehe Over the years, my old stereo system has been retired, piece by piece. One of the last to go were me matched pair of Utah HS1-C speakers. I hated to see them go, but then again, my hearing isn't what is was back then, either... so I can't appreciate them like I used to be able to. :-( -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Some thoughts that are even more slightly off topic... 1000 recordings to hear before you die http://www.1000recordings.com/book/ And my stereo is also hollow-state mostly Heathkit but with new filter caps. I remember looking at the output of an early high-end CD player (Sony? I forget) on a scope. It had tremendous dynamic range. Much better then vinyl or even 7.5ips magnetic tape. Totally wasted with todays music. The only thing I could find that would max it out (i.e. run the output from rail-to-rail) was a Telarc 1979 CD of the 1812 Overture featuring REAL cannon. The CD case insert said that the producers were able to track down some of the original type of cannon that would have been used then. And it specifically warned that the recording could damage speakers. The Deutsche Gramophone recording of the same piece is almost as good - both bottomed out my subwoofers. Around the 4th of July some years PBS shows the old WGBH tape of the 1990 (or so) Boston Pops 4th of July show. The later years have the show at night but this is an late afternoon / early evening show and at the right point you can see John Williams picking up a handheld radio that he had on his music stand and cuing the Massachusetts National Guard that was sitting on the far side of the Charles river with multiple 155mm howitzers firing blanks. Not quite the same, but very impressive. They still do it - some years it's the Guard, other years it's the Army, other years it's appropriate era cannon. http://www.flickr.com/photos/antydiluvian/2178640689/ You can hear the cannons in this video of the last few minutes of the 2006 performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzL_BY39vf0 Unfortunately you can't see much. Eleven civil war cannons (about a minute and a half) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSyOumYb0wY The Japanese Ground Self-Defense Force Eastern Army Band and 1st Artillery Unit use 105mm cannons: (about 4 min) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-4SRvGUtn8 (watch the flagmen giving cues in the second round of shots) BTW, how many folks know that the 1812 Overture (full title: Festival Overture The Year 1812 in E flat major, Opus 49) is about France invading Russia during the Napoleonic Wars? Despite being a staple
RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range
That's the one I have. Mike was talking about one featuring the 1812 Overture. Mark - N9WYS From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Scott Zimmerman Mike, I'm not sure if this is the EXACT disc Mike was talking about, but here is Time Warp from Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra: http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/albums/Time-Warp/ This is where they have the disc and MP3's for sale. If you do a search for torrents, there are several available. Scott Scott Zimmerman Amateur Radio Call N3XCC 474 Barnett Rd Boswell, PA 15531 - Original Message - From: Mike Dietrich mailto:m.dietr...@peoplepc.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range (WAS: APCO P25 horror stories anyone?) Does anybody have a copy of this TIME WARP CD you are talking about, that they would share ? Sounds neet. Thanks in advance. Mike - Original Message - From: Mark mailto:n9...@ameritech.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range (WAS: APCO P25 horror stories anyone?) Mike, Funny you should mention Telarc... I have the disc titled Time Warp (Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra) The disc has a prominent WARNING on the front label that read: Warning! TIME WARP contains some of the most powerful signal content ever released on a commercial recording. Please refer to the caution notice on Page 10. The Page 10 notice reads: Telarc Digital Compact Discs, especially those containing substantially wide dynamic range, will present an extraordinary challenge to all stereo systems. Certain components - even the finest - may have problems with the most demanding passages. *Damage could result to speakers or other components if the musical program is played back at excessively high levels..* WARNING! Lower levels are recommended for initial playback until a safe level can be determined for your equipment. The first musical passage, called Ascent, starts with what can best be described as a SHARP thump/chime. A friend of mine bought the disk and blew up out speakers the first time he played the disc... Apparently he didn't heed the warning, eh? hehehehe Over the years, my old stereo system has been retired, piece by piece. One of the last to go were me matched pair of Utah HS1-C speakers. I hated to see them go, but then again, my hearing isn't what is was back then, either... so I can't appreciate them like I used to be able to. :-( -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Some thoughts that are even more slightly off topic... 1000 recordings to hear before you die http://www.1000recordings.com/book/ And my stereo is also hollow-state mostly Heathkit but with new filter caps. I remember looking at the output of an early high-end CD player (Sony? I forget) on a scope. It had tremendous dynamic range. Much better then vinyl or even 7.5ips magnetic tape. Totally wasted with todays music. The only thing I could find that would max it out (i.e. run the output from rail-to-rail) was a Telarc 1979 CD of the 1812 Overture featuring REAL cannon. The CD case insert said that the producers were able to track down some of the original type of cannon that would have been used then. And it specifically warned that the recording could damage speakers. The Deutsche Gramophone recording of the same piece is almost as good - both bottomed out my subwoofers. Around the 4th of July some years PBS shows the old WGBH tape of the 1990 (or so) Boston Pops 4th of July show. The later years have the show at night but this is an late afternoon / early evening show and at the right point you can see John Williams picking up a handheld radio that he had on his music stand and cuing the Massachusetts National Guard that was sitting on the far side of the Charles river with multiple 155mm howitzers firing blanks. Not quite the same, but very impressive. They still do it - some years it's the Guard, other years it's the Army, other years it's appropriate era cannon. http://www.flickr.com/photos/antydiluvian/2178640689/ You can hear the cannons in this video of the last few minutes of the 2006 performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzL_BY39vf0 Unfortunately you can't see much. Eleven civil war cannons (about a minute and a half) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSyOumYb0wY The Japanese Ground Self-Defense Force Eastern Army Band and 1st Artillery Unit use 105mm cannons: (about 4 min) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-4SRvGUtn8 (watch the flagmen giving cues in the second round of shots) BTW, how many folks know that the 1812 Overture (full title: Festival Overture The Year 1812 in E flat major, Opus 49) is about France invading Russia during the Napoleonic Wars? Despite being a staple
RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range (WAS: APCO P25 horror stories anyone?)
Mike, Funny you should mention Telarc... I have the disc titled Time Warp (Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra) The disc has a prominent WARNING on the front label that read: Warning! TIME WARP contains some of the most powerful signal content ever released on a commercial recording. Please refer to the caution notice on Page 10. The Page 10 notice reads: Telarc Digital Compact Discs, especially those containing substantially wide dynamic range, will present an extraordinary challenge to all stereo systems. Certain components - even the finest - may have problems with the most demanding passages. *Damage could result to speakers or other components if the musical program is played back at excessively high levels..* WARNING! Lower levels are recommended for initial playback until a safe level can be determined for your equipment. The first musical passage, called Ascent, starts with what can best be described as a SHARP thump/chime. A friend of mine bought the disk and blew up out speakers the first time he played the disc... Apparently he didn't heed the warning, eh? hehehehe Over the years, my old stereo system has been retired, piece by piece. One of the last to go were me matched pair of Utah HS1-C speakers. I hated to see them go, but then again, my hearing isn't what is was back then, either... so I can't appreciate them like I used to be able to. :-( -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Some thoughts that are even more slightly off topic... 1000 recordings to hear before you die http://www.1000recordings.com/book/ And my stereo is also hollow-state mostly Heathkit but with new filter caps. I remember looking at the output of an early high-end CD player (Sony? I forget) on a scope. It had tremendous dynamic range. Much better then vinyl or even 7.5ips magnetic tape. Totally wasted with todays music. The only thing I could find that would max it out (i.e. run the output from rail-to-rail) was a Telarc 1979 CD of the 1812 Overture featuring REAL cannon. The CD case insert said that the producers were able to track down some of the original type of cannon that would have been used then. And it specifically warned that the recording could damage speakers. The Deutsche Gramophone recording of the same piece is almost as good - both bottomed out my subwoofers. Around the 4th of July some years PBS shows the old WGBH tape of the 1990 (or so) Boston Pops 4th of July show. The later years have the show at night but this is an late afternoon / early evening show and at the right point you can see John Williams picking up a handheld radio that he had on his music stand and cuing the Massachusetts National Guard that was sitting on the far side of the Charles river with multiple 155mm howitzers firing blanks. Not quite the same, but very impressive. They still do it - some years it's the Guard, other years it's the Army, other years it's appropriate era cannon. http://www.flickr.com/photos/antydiluvian/2178640689/ You can hear the cannons in this video of the last few minutes of the 2006 performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzL_BY39vf0 Unfortunately you can't see much. Eleven civil war cannons (about a minute and a half) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSyOumYb0wY The Japanese Ground Self-Defense Force Eastern Army Band and 1st Artillery Unit use 105mm cannons: (about 4 min) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-4SRvGUtn8 (watch the flagmen giving cues in the second round of shots) BTW, how many folks know that the 1812 Overture (full title: Festival Overture The Year 1812 in E flat major, Opus 49) is about France invading Russia during the Napoleonic Wars? Despite being a staple at July 4th events it has nothing to do with any US / UK battle. We now return you to our (OT) APCO P25 horror stories thread. Mike WA6ILQ
Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range (WAS: APCO P25 horror stories anyone?)
My Dad bought that CD in 1986 specifically because of the warning. He used it as a Test CD at his VCR repair shop for 15 years. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Mark n9...@ameritech.net wrote: Mike, Funny you should mention Telarc... I have the disc titled Time Warp (Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra) The disc has a prominent WARNING on the front label that read: Warning! TIME WARP contains some of the most powerful signal content ever released on a commercial recording. Please refer to the caution notice on Page 10. The Page 10 notice reads: Telarc Digital Compact Discs, especially those containing substantially wide dynamic range, will present an extraordinary challenge to all stereo systems. Certain components - even the finest - may have problems with the most demanding passages. *Damage could result to speakers or other components if the musical program is played back at excessively high levels..* WARNING! Lower levels are recommended for initial playback until a safe level can be determined for your equipment. The first musical passage, called Ascent, starts with what can best be described as a SHARP thump/chime. A friend of mine bought the disk and blew up out speakers the first time he played the disc... Apparently he didn't heed the warning, eh? hehehehe Over the years, my old stereo system has been retired, piece by piece. One of the last to go were me matched pair of Utah HS1-C speakers. I hated to see them go, but then again, my hearing isn't what is was back then, either... so I can't appreciate them like I used to be able to. :-(
Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range (WAS: APCO P25 horror stories anyone?)
Does anybody have a copy of this TIME WARP CD you are talking about, that they would share ? Sounds neet. Thanks in advance. Mike - Original Message - From: Mark To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) Dynamic Range (WAS: APCO P25 horror stories anyone?) Mike, Funny you should mention Telarc... I have the disc titled Time Warp (Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra) The disc has a prominent WARNING on the front label that read: Warning! TIME WARP contains some of the most powerful signal content ever released on a commercial recording. Please refer to the caution notice on Page 10. The Page 10 notice reads: Telarc Digital Compact Discs, especially those containing substantially wide dynamic range, will present an extraordinary challenge to all stereo systems. Certain components - even the finest - may have problems with the most demanding passages. *Damage could result to speakers or other components if the musical program is played back at excessively high levels..* WARNING! Lower levels are recommended for initial playback until a safe level can be determined for your equipment. The first musical passage, called Ascent, starts with what can best be described as a SHARP thump/chime. A friend of mine bought the disk and blew up out speakers the first time he played the disc... Apparently he didn't heed the warning, eh? hehehehe Over the years, my old stereo system has been retired, piece by piece. One of the last to go were me matched pair of Utah HS1-C speakers. I hated to see them go, but then again, my hearing isn't what is was back then, either... so I can't appreciate them like I used to be able to. :-( -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Some thoughts that are even more slightly off topic... 1000 recordings to hear before you die http://www.1000recordings.com/book/ And my stereo is also hollow-state mostly Heathkit but with new filter caps. I remember looking at the output of an early high-end CD player (Sony? I forget) on a scope. It had tremendous dynamic range. Much better then vinyl or even 7.5ips magnetic tape. Totally wasted with todays music. The only thing I could find that would max it out (i.e. run the output from rail-to-rail) was a Telarc 1979 CD of the 1812 Overture featuring REAL cannon. The CD case insert said that the producers were able to track down some of the original type of cannon that would have been used then. And it specifically warned that the recording could damage speakers. The Deutsche Gramophone recording of the same piece is almost as good - both bottomed out my subwoofers. Around the 4th of July some years PBS shows the old WGBH tape of the 1990 (or so) Boston Pops 4th of July show. The later years have the show at night but this is an late afternoon / early evening show and at the right point you can see John Williams picking up a handheld radio that he had on his music stand and cuing the Massachusetts National Guard that was sitting on the far side of the Charles river with multiple 155mm howitzers firing blanks. Not quite the same, but very impressive. They still do it - some years it's the Guard, other years it's the Army, other years it's appropriate era cannon. http://www.flickr.com/photos/antydiluvian/2178640689/ You can hear the cannons in this video of the last few minutes of the 2006 performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzL_BY39vf0 Unfortunately you can't see much. Eleven civil war cannons (about a minute and a half) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSyOumYb0wY The Japanese Ground Self-Defense Force Eastern Army Band and 1st Artillery Unit use 105mm cannons: (about 4 min) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-4SRvGUtn8 (watch the flagmen giving cues in the second round of shots) BTW, how many folks know that the 1812 Overture (full title: Festival Overture The Year 1812 in E flat major, Opus 49) is about France invading Russia during the Napoleonic Wars? Despite being a staple at July 4th events it has nothing to do with any US / UK battle. We now return you to our (OT) APCO P25 horror stories thread. Mike WA6ILQ
