Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
hey, I see where there is a fixed base repeater and mobile repeater difference. What are the limits on the mobile. If I have like a mobile repeater can I loan to Emeregency Services Units for like a search/resuce scene? thanks --- Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Lemmon wrote: Mathew, Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated October 1, 2003. A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost more than the repeater. Also adding an aftermarket tone panel (like the Com-Spec TP-3200) is OK. Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some high-powered pirate stations operated by unlicensed individuals who ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such people! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) Just for the record, there probably still are some older 'grandfathered' licenses for 100W, and I know for certain that there are a number of businesses still legally licensed. They are not allowed to make any major mods to their licenses, like freq, power, location, profile, etc. However, they are probably somewhat rare. And yes, there's a LOT of not-so-legit stuff on the air, too... -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL KAE9169 Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
OK I have a set of motorola T5920 Talkabouts that are Both FRS and GMRS.. I wonder If they can be programmed to use the repeater splits. I can hear several GMRS repeaters id,ing but no access.. anyone have any info.. Neal -ka2caf russ wrote: This is well written! You forgot that a base station from your home can be only 5 watts. GMRS is a pile of fun as well. 73 Russ, WPYK-254 Ham, W3CH - Original Message - From: "Eric Lemmon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Mathew, Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated October 1, 2003. A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost more than the repeater. Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some high-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals who ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such people! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Mathew, Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated October 1, 2003. A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost more than the repeater. Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some high-powered pirate stations operated by unlicensed individuals who ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such people! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRSlicense. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rulesin Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is datedOctober 1, 2003.A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, butyou can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. Thisrequirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeatersthat are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the KenwoodTKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features tohave are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline costmore than the repeater.Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are somehigh-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals whoignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from suchpeople!73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211)w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radiosas GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRSlicense. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rulesin Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is datedOctober 1, 2003.A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, butyou can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. Thisrequirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeatersthat are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the KenwoodTKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features tohave are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline costmore than the repeater.Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are somehigh-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals whoignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from suchpeople!73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211)w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Also Matt, since GMRS is limited to 50 watts, you can use a mobile type duplexer, like a Celwave/RFS 633 series, which I've seen for less than $100 on ebay, and have even seen some around $50. If you can get the mobile radios cheap at a hamfest, and a mobile duplexer cheap, you could probably set up a GMRS machine for less than $200, including crystals, if you use a crystal type radio, since you already have an antenna and hardline. Kevin K2KMB From: Kevin Bednar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:54 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radiosas GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRSlicense. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rulesin Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is datedOctober 1, 2003.A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, butyou can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. Thisrequirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeatersthat are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the KenwoodTKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features tohave are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline costmore than the repeater.Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are somehigh-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals whoignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from suchpeople!73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211)w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Kevin, Unlike the Part 97(Amateur)service, Part95 (GMRS) requires that repeaters be type accepted for use in that service. Mobiles are not type accepted for use in the GMRS as repeaters. Johnny Kevin Bednar wrote: There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8 Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated October 1, 2003. A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost more than the repeater. Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some high-powered pirate stations operated by unlicensed individuals who ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such people! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/new/*http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
This is the difference that I am finding. Does anyone have a link to Part 95 anywhere on the net so I can go read it for myself and see if I can make heads or tails of it. Mathew Johnny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin,Unlike the Part 97(Amateur)service, Part95 (GMRS) requires that repeaters be type accepted for use in that service. Mobiles are not type accepted for use in the GMRS as repeaters.JohnnyKevin Bednar wrote: There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated October 1, 2003. A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost more than the repeater. Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some high-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals who ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such people! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211)w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. MathewYahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Keep in mind that it is your license that is on the line and quite possibly the lives of others who may be put at risk when your kludged up illegal GMRS abortion wipes out some public service station. These are the same kind of people you see driving cars held together with plastic and bailing wire that gets someone hurt or killed. Get the proper equipment to do the job! Please stop recommending this mobile solution,its a bad idea all the way around - Original Message - From: Kevin Bednar To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Also Matt, since GMRS is limited to 50 watts, you can use a mobile type duplexer, like a Celwave/RFS 633 series, which I've seen for less than $100 on ebay, and have even seen some around $50. If you can get the mobile radios cheap at a hamfest, and a mobile duplexer cheap, you could probably set up a GMRS machine for less than $200, including crystals, if you use a crystal type radio, since you already have an antenna and hardline. Kevin K2KMB From: Kevin Bednar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:54 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radiosas GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRSlicense. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rulesin Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is datedOctober 1, 2003.A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, butyou can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. Thisrequirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeatersthat are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the KenwoodTKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features tohave are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline costmore than the repeater.Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are somehigh-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals whoignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from suchpeople!73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211)w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
There is no separate certification issued under part 90 or 95 for a repeater. A radio is certified for a certain service (part 90 or 95 or both). This radio can be used as a mobile, base, repeater, portable, etc, providing it meets the criterion for that application in it's particular service. Base and repeater stations in GMRS service are required to stay within 2.5 PPM, mobiles are only required 5PPM. Does this mean a mobile can't be used for base or repeater? No, only that by some means the frequency tolerance must be met. This is usually accompished by getting a 2.5PPM channel element for the radio. Some radios will maintain 2.5PPM by being kept in a somewhat controlled environment, such as a heated and air conditioned room. Joe --- Mathew Quaife [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the difference that I am finding. Does anyone have a link to Part 95 anywhere on the net so I can go read it for myself and see if I can make heads or tails of it. Mathew Johnny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, Unlike the Part 97(Amateur)service, Part95 (GMRS) requires that repeaters be type accepted for use in that service. Mobiles are not type accepted for use in the GMRS as repeaters. Johnny Kevin Bednar wrote: There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8 Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated October 1, 2003. A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost more than the repeater. Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some high-powered pirate stations operated by unlicensed individuals who ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such people! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. Mathew __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
How is a Mastr II, or Maxtrac, or CDM,ALL mobiles, that ARE type accepted for land mobile use, NOT type accepted for GMRS use? -Original Message- From: Johnny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:13 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Kevin, Unlike the Part 97(Amateur)service, Part95 (GMRS) requires that repeaters be type accepted for use in that service. Mobiles are not type accepted for use in the GMRS as repeaters. Johnny Kevin Bednar wrote: There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB -- -- From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8 Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated October 1, 2003. A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost more than the repeater. Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some high-powered pirate stations operated by unlicensed individuals who ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such people! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/new/*http://promotions.yahoo. com/new_mail -- -- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] be * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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An air conditioned room is nice but the radio must type accepted for the 0.00025% tolerance and so indicated on it's label. Neil Joe Montierth wrote: There is no separate certification issued under part 90 or 95 for a repeater. A radio is certified for a certain service (part 90 or 95 or both). This radio can be used as a mobile, base, repeater, portable, etc, providing it meets the criterion for that application in it's particular service. Base and repeater stations in GMRS service are required to stay within 2.5 PPM, mobiles are only required 5PPM. Does this mean a mobile can't be used for base or repeater? No, only that by some means the frequency tolerance must be met. This is usually accompished by getting a 2.5PPM channel element for the radio. Some radios will maintain 2.5PPM by being kept in a somewhat controlled environment, such as a heated and air conditioned room. Joe --- Mathew Quaife [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the difference that I am finding. Does anyone have a link to Part 95 anywhere on the net so I can go read it for myself and see if I can make heads or tails of it. Mathew Johnny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, Unlike the Part 97(Amateur)service, Part95 (GMRS) requires that repeaters be type accepted for use in that service. Mobiles are not type accepted for use in the GMRS as repeaters. Johnny Kevin Bednar wrote: There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8 Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated October 1, 2003. A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost more than the repeater. Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some high-powered pirate stations operated by unlicensed individuals who ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such people! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. Mathew __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
I was simply stating that trying to use mobile gear is an inexpensive way to do it. It is NOT illegal as long as the radios are type accepted in the first place, whether mobile or base. If you want to spend a little more money, then buy a Micor or Mastr II base, drop the power level down to 50 watts, and use that instead. GMRS has been around for MANY years. It is NOT a new service. And back in the 80's and early 90's MANY people took regular land mobile bases and mobile units and converted them to GMRS use. It wasnt illegal then and is not now. That is the point I'm trying to make. Kevin From: Q [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:02 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Keep in mind that it is your license that is on the line and quite possibly the lives of others who may be put at risk when your kludged up illegal GMRS abortion wipes out some public service station. These are the same kind of people you see driving cars held together with plastic and bailing wire that gets someone hurt or killed. Get the proper equipment to do the job! Please stop recommending this mobile solution,its a bad idea all the way around - Original Message - From: Kevin Bednar To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Also Matt, since GMRS is limited to 50 watts, you can use a mobile type duplexer, like a Celwave/RFS 633 series, which I've seen for less than $100 on ebay, and have even seen some around $50. If you can get the mobile radios cheap at a hamfest, and a mobile duplexer cheap, you could probably set up a GMRS machine for less than $200, including crystals, if you use a crystal type radio, since you already have an antenna and hardline. Kevin K2KMB From: Kevin Bednar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:54 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radiosas GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRSlicense. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rulesin Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is datedOctober 1, 2003.A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, butyou can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. Thisrequirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeatersthat are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the KenwoodTKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features tohave are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline costmore than the repeater.Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are somehigh-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals whoignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from suchpeople!73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211)w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Thank you! I'm not the only one then! ;) Kevin -Original Message- From: Joe Montierth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:34 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted There is no separate certification issued under part 90 or 95 for a repeater. A radio is certified for a certain service (part 90 or 95 or both). This radio can be used as a mobile, base, repeater, portable, etc, providing it meets the criterion for that application in it's particular service. Base and repeater stations in GMRS service are required to stay within 2.5 PPM, mobiles are only required 5PPM. Does this mean a mobile can't be used for base or repeater? No, only that by some means the frequency tolerance must be met. This is usually accompished by getting a 2.5PPM channel element for the radio. Some radios will maintain 2.5PPM by being kept in a somewhat controlled environment, such as a heated and air conditioned room. Joe --- Mathew Quaife [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the difference that I am finding. Does anyone have a link to Part 95 anywhere on the net so I can go read it for myself and see if I can make heads or tails of it. Mathew Johnny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, Unlike the Part 97(Amateur)service, Part95 (GMRS) requires that repeaters be type accepted for use in that service. Mobiles are not type accepted for use in the GMRS as repeaters. Johnny Kevin Bednar wrote: There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8 Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated October 1, 2003. A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost more than the repeater. Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some high-powered pirate stations operated by unlicensed individuals who ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such people! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. Mathew __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
This is well written! You forgot that a base station from your home can be only 5 watts. GMRS is a pile of fun as well. 73 Russ, WPYK-254 Ham, W3CH - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Mathew, Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated October 1, 2003. A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost more than the repeater. Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some high-powered pirate stations operated by unlicensed individuals who ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such people! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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You are wrong,it is illegal. Doesnt mean all those people were right,that doesnt make it legal. They just havent been caught yet... - Original Message - From: Kevin Bednar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:11 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thank you! I'm not the only one then! ;) Kevin -Original Message- From: Joe Montierth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:34 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted There is no separate certification issued under part 90 or 95 for a repeater. A radio is certified for a certain service (part 90 or 95 or both). This radio can be used as a mobile, base, repeater, portable, etc, providing it meets the criterion for that application in it's particular service. Base and repeater stations in GMRS service are required to stay within 2.5 PPM, mobiles are only required 5PPM. Does this mean a mobile can't be used for base or repeater? No, only that by some means the frequency tolerance must be met. This is usually accompished by getting a 2.5PPM channel element for the radio. Some radios will maintain 2.5PPM by being kept in a somewhat controlled environment, such as a heated and air conditioned room. Joe --- Mathew Quaife [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the difference that I am finding. Does anyone have a link to Part 95 anywhere on the net so I can go read it for myself and see if I can make heads or tails of it. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I still have a number of Motorola R-100, Micor's and a new in box Vertex VXR-7000 (at cost) thanks John ps also lots of Maxon and EF Johnson mobiles - Original Message - From: Mathew Quaife To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRSlicense. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rulesin Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is datedOctober 1, 2003.A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, butyou can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. Thisrequirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeatersthat are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the KenwoodTKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features tohave are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline costmore than the repeater.Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are somehigh-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals whoignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek ! advice from suchpeople!73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211)w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an e! mail to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An air conditioned room is nice but the radio must type accepted for the 0.00025% tolerance and so indicated on it's label. Neil No, the rules only require that you maintain your transmitter within 2.5 PPM, there is no rule that you must use a radio certificated as such (although that would be nice). As long as you use a radio that is certificated for GMRS and keep it within 2.5PPM, you are following the rules. Kevin doesn't like us to get into FCC rules discussions here, as they are pointless. Many people have many different interpretations of the rules, in some gray areas there can be a lot of useless debate. What seems very clear in the rules to me, may not appear that way to you (and vice-versa). 95.621 (b) has the rule for anyone to read. Joe __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- Q [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are wrong,it is illegal. Doesnt mean all those people were right,that doesnt make it legal. They just havent been caught yet... Please cite the FCC rule that would make this illegal, I have read and re-read the rules for years now, and have yet to find one that bans mobile radios as repeaters (or handhelds for that matter). Joe __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Gotta love religious debates I would suppose whoever is trying to do this project need not be discouraged, when all else fails, what do we not like to do? Read the manual, and in this case; the rules. If someone begs to differ, let them, because you know the rules and they need to do a little homework. If that all fails, I would say call the FCC but they have gotten so politcal it might be fruitless. Put it up with all do respects to other people's stuff not to interfer and all should be well. ~Ben, KB9LFZ --- Joe Montierth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is well written! You forgot that a base station from your home can be only 5 watts. GMRS is a pile of fun as well. 73 Russ, WPYK-254 Ham, W3CH There is no rule limiting base station power to 5 watts. That rule applies to a small base station, and I'm sure that's what you are referring to. Joe __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
ARRLWeb: FCC Rules: Part 97 and other Rule Parts ... Federal Regulations; Part 0---Commission Organization; Part 1---FCC Procedure and ... Part 95---Personal Radio Services (GMRS, Radio Control Service, CB Service, and ... www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/rules-regs.html Think this was what you asked for Matthew. Randy Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
IIRC, type acceptance for part 95 is not the same as business band type acceptance. Kevin Bednar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How is a Mastr II, or Maxtrac, or CDM,ALL mobiles, that ARE type accepted for land mobile use, NOT type accepted for GMRS use? -Original Message- From: Johnny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:13 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Kevin, Unlike the Part 97(Amateur)service, Part95 (GMRS) requires that repeaters be type accepted for use in that service. Mobiles are not type accepted for use in the GMRS as repeaters. Johnny Kevin Bednar wrote: There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB -- -- From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8 Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated October 1, 2003. A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost more than the repeater. Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some high-powered pirate stations operated by unlicensed individuals who ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such people! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_03/47cfr95_03.html § 95.129 Station equipment. Every station in a GMRS system must use transmitters the FCC has certificated for use in the GMRS. Write to any FCC Field Office to find out if a particular transmitter has been certificated for the GMRS. All station equipment in a GMRS system must comply with the technical rules in part 95. [63 FR 68975, Dec. 14, 1998] § 95.29 Channels available. (a) For a base station, fixed station, mobile station, or repeater station (a GMRS station that simultaneously retransmits the transmission of another GMRS station on a different channel or channels), the licensee of the GMRS system must select the transmitting channels or channel pairs (see § 95.7(a) of this part) for the stations in the GMRS system from the following 462 MHz channels: 462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250, 462.6500, 462.6750, 462.7000 and 462.7250. (b) For a mobile station, control station, or fixed station operated in the duplex mode, the following 467 MHz channels may be used only to transmit communications through a repeater station and for remotely controlling a repeater station. The licensee of the GMRS system must select the transmitting channels or channel pairs (see § 95.7(a) of this part) for the stations operated in the duplex mode, from the following 467 MHz channels: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000 and 467.7250. § 95.135 Maximum authorized transmitting power. (a) No station may transmit with more than 50 watts output power. (b) [Reserved] (c) A small control station at a point north of Line A or east of Line C must transmit with no more than 5 watts ERP. (d) A fixed station must transmit with no more than 15 watts output power. (e) A small base station must transmit with no more than 5 watts ERP. [48 FR 35237, Aug. 3, 1983, as amended at 53 FR 47717, Nov. 25, 1988; 63 FR 68975, Dec. 14, 1998] - Original Message - From: Joe Montierth To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted --- Q [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are wrong,it is illegal. Doesnt mean all those people were right,that doesnt make it legal. They just havent been caught yet... Please cite the FCC rule that would make thisillegal, I have read and re-read the rules for yearsnow, and have yet to find one that bans mobile radiosas repeaters (or handhelds for that matter).Joe__Do you Yahoo!?New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage!http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
The type acceptance number is usually attached to the model number plate on the individual radio transmitter. Neil Joe Montierth wrote: --- Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An air conditioned room is nice but the radio must type accepted for the 0.00025% tolerance and so indicated on it's label. Neil No, the rules only require that you maintain your transmitter within 2.5 PPM, there is no rule that you must use a radio certificated as such (although that would be nice). As long as you use a radio that is certificated for GMRS and keep it within 2.5PPM, you are following the rules. Kevin doesn't like us to get into FCC rules discussions here, as they are pointless. Many people have many different interpretations of the rules, in some gray areas there can be a lot of useless debate. What seems very clear in the rules to me, may not appear that way to you (and vice-versa). 95.621 (b) has the rule for anyone to read. Joe __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
Hey Joe, You are wrong! The spec.'s are not the same. 90,95,101. Don't believe me just go read for your self. 73 Russ - Original Message - From: Joe Montierth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted There is no separate certification issued under part 90 or 95 for a repeater. A radio is certified for a certain service (part 90 or 95 or both). This radio can be used as a mobile, base, repeater, portable, etc, providing it meets the criterion for that application in it's particular service. Base and repeater stations in GMRS service are required to stay within 2.5 PPM, mobiles are only required 5PPM. Does this mean a mobile can't be used for base or repeater? No, only that by some means the frequency tolerance must be met. This is usually accompished by getting a 2.5PPM channel element for the radio. Some radios will maintain 2.5PPM by being kept in a somewhat controlled environment, such as a heated and air conditioned room. Joe --- Mathew Quaife [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the difference that I am finding. Does anyone have a link to Part 95 anywhere on the net so I can go read it for myself and see if I can make heads or tails of it. Mathew Johnny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, Unlike the Part 97(Amateur)service, Part95 (GMRS) requires that repeaters be type accepted for use in that service. Mobiles are not type accepted for use in the GMRS as repeaters. Johnny Kevin Bednar wrote: There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radios as GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8 Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRS license. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rules in Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is dated October 1, 2003. A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, but you can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. This requirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeaters that are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the Kenwood TKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features to have are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline cost more than the repeater. Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are some high-powered pirate stations operated by unlicensed individuals who ignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from such people! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211) w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. Mathew __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
UN like Ham radio part 97 where you can put most any thing on the air. Part 95 GMRS you can not! I have watched a pile of just bad info go across the list. This is just not right. Get a copy of part 95 and read it. Understand it before you build. READ READ READ. Good luck and 73, Russ, WPYK-254 and W3CH - Original Message - From: Q To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Keep in mind that it is your license that is on the line and quite possibly the lives of others who may be put at risk when your kludged up illegal GMRS abortion wipes out some public service station. These are the same kind of people you see driving cars held together with plastic and bailing wire that gets someone hurt or killed. Get the proper equipment to do the job! Please stop recommending this mobile solution,its a bad idea all the way around - Original Message - From: Kevin Bednar To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Also Matt, since GMRS is limited to 50 watts, you can use a mobile type duplexer, like a Celwave/RFS 633 series, which I've seen for less than $100 on ebay, and have even seen some around $50. If you can get the mobile radios cheap at a hamfest, and a mobile duplexer cheap, you could probably set up a GMRS machine for less than $200, including crystals, if you use a crystal type radio, since you already have an antenna and hardline. Kevin K2KMB From: Kevin Bednar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:54 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted There is nothing preventing you from using duplexed mobile gear like Micors or Mastr II's, or Motorola Maxtracs/Radius type radiosas GMRS repeaters as long as the station ID'ing is handled properly. Kevin K2KMB From: Mathew Quaife [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:28 PMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted Thanks Eric. License I Know is required. Issue that is at hand, I think you answered, is type of equipment allowed. I have read issues where guys are building them out of GE and Micor units, and that is what I want to know if this is allowed, or must it be certain types of equipment. Antenna and cable is already there, 7/8" Andrews and DB 8 Bay antenna, duplexer is something I will purchase after I decide on the repeater. Mathew Before you can put a GMRS repeater on the air, you must have a GMRSlicense. You also need to read and understand the applicable FCC Rulesin Title 47 USC Part 95. The current edition of Part 95 is datedOctober 1, 2003.A GMRS repeater should be FCC Type-Accepted for Part 95 operation, butyou can use a repeater that is Type-Accepted for Part 90. Thisrequirement rules out any repeaters built from parts. Some repeatersthat are relatively inexpensive include the Yaesu VXR-7000, the KenwoodTKR-850, and the Motorola GR1225 or RKR1225. The important features tohave are a built-in ID-er and the capability to decode CTCSS or CDCSS. You will quickly learn that a good antenna, duplexer, and feedline costmore than the repeater.Although the Part 95 Rules limit GMRS power to 50 watts, there are somehigh-powered "pirate" stations operated by unlicensed individuals whoignore all of the rules. I suggest that you not seek advice from suchpeople!73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY (and GMRS KAF4211)w9mwq wrote: I have been looking into setting up a GMRS repeater for community access, and have been doing some reading on them. I am coming up with conflicting stories and need to know. What can be used as far as a repeater. I am told it has to be a certain type, then I read where they are building them out of spare parts, but then am told the spare parts units are not FCC approved. So what is the truth here? What can be used as a GMRS repeater? And what would be a low cost unit available for such use? Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Repeater Info Wanted
If anyone wants to continue this topic, you can bring it over to a BBS that I moderate, dealing with GMRS. http://www.popularwireless.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi Go down to the GMRS forum and start a topic about repeater requirements or whatever. There are lots of licensed, seasoned operators on this board and you can get some good info. The discussion here has given out both right and wrong info, but it would be better to discuss it there where it is permitted. Good rules discussions often take place there. Joe __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
