Re: [Repeater-Builder] MLS1 GE
I was thinking the MLS2 used a pc and serial cable and the MLS1 used a suitcase. Will either go to 52.525? ssb On 2/24/06, mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It can also be programmed with a PC. That's how I do it. Joe M. Eric Lemmon wrote: Steve, I have a GE MLS (aka MLS 1, once the MLS II came out) radio, and it has a PROM that must be programmed on a PROM burner. It does not use an EEPROM, so each change requires a new PROM. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Yahoo! Groups Links -- DE NU5D - Promote Amateur Radio Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] MLS1 GE
I repeat: There is PC software and a RIB that is used to program the MLS-I. Yes, the suitcase can be used to program it, too, but so can a PC. I've programmed several without the suitcase. In fact, I think the PLS portable is the only programmable GE radio that requires the suitcase. The S-950 control head might, too, I think. Joe M. Steve Bosshard (NU5D) wrote: I was thinking the MLS2 used a pc and serial cable and the MLS1 used a suitcase. Will either go to 52.525? ssb On 2/24/06, mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It can also be programmed with a PC. That's how I do it. Joe M. Eric Lemmon wrote: Steve, I have a GE MLS (aka MLS 1, once the MLS II came out) radio, and it has a PROM that must be programmed on a PROM burner. It does not use an EEPROM, so each change requires a new PROM. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Yahoo! Groups Links -- DE NU5D - Promote Amateur Radio Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] MLS1 GE
Joe M; I do not believe there has ever been a factory MLS 1 programming tool for PC based programming.. While you can program a MLS 2 with the PC based MLS software, that software does not talk to an MLS1 You may be able to write a suitable eprom with an pc prom burning tool set, that is another matter ( especially cloning) , or if someone wrote a tool outside the factoryone may exist... but not to my knowledge. I think if you know of something you need to tell us what, not just keep claiming it's existence.Your comments are diametrically opposed with the experiences of many GE techs who have been working on MLS1's and 2's for the last 10- 20 years.. As far as the radios requiring the suitcase, only the MPD/MPA CONV and Rangr/Delta series had factory PC support and Suitcase support maybe MVS and MCS but I think those were only in PC support... ALL the TMX 84/86xx series, TMX 82/83/85xx series, Corona,Centura and Classic Series, CMX series, as well TPX, MPX, S950/990 ( in stock GE form) Phoenix S,SX, PSX-SE and MLS1 required the suitcase There are NOW tools to write to the Phoenix S,SX, Delta Rangr etc...based on Xicor X2212 eeprom chip series available. But not from GE et-al. The Factory MLS1 memory device was an eeprom... not a prom although it was pin compatible with a uv prom.2x16 series as I recall factory was 2816, could be replaced with 2716. If you have specific info otherwise it is news to me and many of us here who have never heard of it. Doug KD8B At 05:53 PM 2/26/2006, you wrote: I repeat: There is PC software and a RIB that is used to program the MLS-I. Yes, the suitcase can be used to program it, too, but so can a PC. I've programmed several without the suitcase. In fact, I think the PLS portable is the only programmable GE radio that requires the suitcase. The S-950 control head might, too, I think. Joe M. Steve Bosshard (NU5D) wrote: I was thinking the MLS2 used a pc and serial cable and the MLS1 used a suitcase. Will either go to 52.525? ssb On 2/24/06, mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It can also be programmed with a PC. That's how I do it. Joe M. Eric Lemmon wrote: Steve, I have a GE MLS (aka MLS 1, once the MLS II came out) radio, and it has a PROM that must be programmed on a PROM burner. It does not use an EEPROM, so each change requires a new PROM. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] MLS1 GE
I never said it was an OEM product. It was made by Niles and was recommended by our GE Service Rep when we were a 5-star GE dealer and manufacturer's rep, so I'm one of those who have been working on MLS1's and 2's for the last 10- 20 years... Anyone GE tech who DOESN'T know about this are the ones I would question. As I said, I've done this with a number of MLS-Is - including the 10M unit sitting on my desk. There is software for the PC, a radio interface box, and a cable that goes to the radio. Like the suitcase, good luck finding the hardware since it is so old. Although, it is likely far easier to build a RIB than the suitcase. (no, I don't have the schematics for it) There was never any real presence on 800 in my area, so I'm not familiar with the TMX/CMX/TPX/MPX, but I have programmed many Phoenix S,SX, PSX-SE and MLS1 (as well as the PSX-Scan) units with the PC as well as Delta-Ss, Delta-SXs, and RANGRs. Again, I recall only the PLS units needing the suitcase, and perhaps the S-950. (with the aforementioned disclaimer about 800 units) No cobbling or EEPROM programming hacks - just PC software with the RIB and cable to program the units exactly as nearly every radio since then has been programmed. There are even links (or used to be) on the Hall web site. If I recall correctly, that is http://www.hallelectronics.com/ Joe M. Doug Bade wrote: Joe M; I do not believe there has ever been a factory MLS 1 programming tool for PC based programming.. While you can program a MLS 2 with the PC based MLS software, that software does not talk to an MLS1 You may be able to write a suitable eprom with an pc prom burning tool set, that is another matter ( especially cloning) , or if someone wrote a tool outside the factoryone may exist... but not to my knowledge. I think if you know of something you need to tell us what, not just keep claiming it's existence.Your comments are diametrically opposed with the experiences of many GE techs who have been working on MLS1's and 2's for the last 10- 20 years.. As far as the radios requiring the suitcase, only the MPD/MPA CONV and Rangr/Delta series had factory PC support and Suitcase support maybe MVS and MCS but I think those were only in PC support... ALL the TMX 84/86xx series, TMX 82/83/85xx series, Corona,Centura and Classic Series, CMX series, as well TPX, MPX, S950/990 ( in stock GE form) Phoenix S,SX, PSX-SE and MLS1 required the suitcase There are NOW tools to write to the Phoenix S,SX, Delta Rangr etc...based on Xicor X2212 eeprom chip series available. But not from GE et-al. The Factory MLS1 memory device was an eeprom... not a prom although it was pin compatible with a uv prom.2x16 series as I recall factory was 2816, could be replaced with 2716. If you have specific info otherwise it is news to me and many of us here who have never heard of it. Doug KD8B At 05:53 PM 2/26/2006, you wrote: I repeat: There is PC software and a RIB that is used to program the MLS-I. Yes, the suitcase can be used to program it, too, but so can a PC. I've programmed several without the suitcase. In fact, I think the PLS portable is the only programmable GE radio that requires the suitcase. The S-950 control head might, too, I think. Joe M. Steve Bosshard (NU5D) wrote: I was thinking the MLS2 used a pc and serial cable and the MLS1 used a suitcase. Will either go to 52.525? ssb On 2/24/06, mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It can also be programmed with a PC. That's how I do it. Joe M. Eric Lemmon wrote: Steve, I have a GE MLS (aka MLS 1, once the MLS II came out) radio, and it has a PROM that must be programmed on a PROM burner. It does not use an EEPROM, so each change requires a new PROM. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] MLS1 GE
Niles hardware has not been available for some time and as far as I ever saw, very few shops ever had their gear let alone the general public. Unless you have access to those schematics or more specifically Niles hardware it is of little value to even have the software available... Far more shops owned TQ2310's and as far as Lynchburg was concerned that was the only tools. At the time I suspected Lynchburg had a lot to do with why it stopped being produced although it happened quite quietly...No one ever said why they stopped My recollection of what I did see of Niles gear would make it difficult if not impossible to reverse engineer. As I recall they had some proprietary technology which precluded duplication. It was long ago and as noted really irrelevant. The fact it was PC based and did or could have been used for MLS1 programming is of little value today to people who are asking how to program these radios Useful answers are by using a TQ2310, or by cloning a known good eeprom into another known good prom, eprom or eeprom using commonly available tools in the eprom programming world, or asking someone with a TQ2310 to do it for them I am sorry you were not aware of the other multitudes of radio which were programmed with the TQ2310. As for the general amateur community, Niles software is of no foreseeable value so it's inclusion as possibility is not really relevant... What would be far more useful would be for someone to try to analyze the hex table in a MLS eprom and reverse engineer how to change the values to something useful. That was done for the Phoenix SX etc It would likely be more fruitful that trying to duplicate Niles hardware If you want to volunteer your Niles gear for analysis, I would be happy to try, but I think it is pointless ... Unless Niles folks will provide assistance... Doug KD8B At 08:06 PM 2/26/2006, you wrote: I never said it was an OEM product. It was made by Niles and was recommended by our GE Service Rep when we were a 5-star GE dealer and manufacturer's rep, so I'm one of those who have been working on MLS1's and 2's for the last 10- 20 years... Anyone GE tech who DOESN'T know about this are the ones I would question. As I said, I've done this with a number of MLS-Is - including the 10M unit sitting on my desk. There is software for the PC, a radio interface box, and a cable that goes to the radio. Like the suitcase, good luck finding the hardware since it is so old. Although, it is likely far easier to build a RIB than the suitcase. (no, I don't have the schematics for it) There was never any real presence on 800 in my area, so I'm not familiar with the TMX/CMX/TPX/MPX, but I have programmed many Phoenix S,SX, PSX-SE and MLS1 (as well as the PSX-Scan) units with the PC as well as Delta-Ss, Delta-SXs, and RANGRs. Again, I recall only the PLS units needing the suitcase, and perhaps the S-950. (with the aforementioned disclaimer about 800 units) No cobbling or EEPROM programming hacks - just PC software with the RIB and cable to program the units exactly as nearly every radio since then has been programmed. There are even links (or used to be) on the Hall web site. If I recall correctly, that is http://www.hallelectronics.com/ Joe M. Doug Bade wrote: Joe M; I do not believe there has ever been a factory MLS 1 programming tool for PC based programming.. While you can program a MLS 2 with the PC based MLS software, that software does not talk to an MLS1 You may be able to write a suitable eprom with an pc prom burning tool set, that is another matter ( especially cloning) , or if someone wrote a tool outside the factoryone may exist... but not to my knowledge. I think if you know of something you need to tell us what, not just keep claiming it's existence.Your comments are diametrically opposed with the experiences of many GE techs who have been working on MLS1's and 2's for the last 10- 20 years.. As far as the radios requiring the suitcase, only the MPD/MPA CONV and Rangr/Delta series had factory PC support and Suitcase support maybe MVS and MCS but I think those were only in PC support... ALL the TMX 84/86xx series, TMX 82/83/85xx series, Corona,Centura and Classic Series, CMX series, as well TPX, MPX, S950/990 ( in stock GE form) Phoenix S,SX, PSX-SE and MLS1 required the suitcase There are NOW tools to write to the Phoenix S,SX, Delta Rangr etc...based on Xicor X2212 eeprom chip series available. But not from GE et-al. The Factory MLS1 memory device was an eeprom... not a prom although it was pin compatible with a uv prom.2x16 series as I recall factory was 2816, could be replaced with 2716. If you have specific info otherwise it is news to me and many of us here who
Re: [Repeater-Builder] MLS1 GE
At 11:20 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: It can also be programmed with a PC. That's how I do it. Joe M. --- Joe how can it be done with a pc?? We normally clone a programmed prom to eproms. Doug VE5DA Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] MLS1 GE
There is software and an interface box for a MLS-1. It's pretty much the same as any radio made in the last 20 years. Joe M. Doug wrote: At 11:20 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: It can also be programmed with a PC. That's how I do it. Joe M. --- Joe how can it be done with a pc?? We normally clone a programmed prom to eproms. Doug VE5DA Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] MLS1 GE
I have a friend with an MLS 1 in high split Low band that would like to go 52.525 in the 6 M band. I think this radio uses a suitcase programmer. Anyone know particulars? Steve -- DE NU5D - Promote Amateur Radio Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] MLS1 GE
Steve, I have a GE MLS (aka MLS 1, once the MLS II came out) radio, and it has a PROM that must be programmed on a PROM burner. It does not use an EEPROM, so each change requires a new PROM. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Bosshard (NU5D) Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 11:04 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MLS1 GE I have a friend with an MLS 1 in high split Low band that would like to go 52.525 in the 6 M band. I think this radio uses a suitcase programmer. Anyone know particulars? Steve -- DE NU5D - Promote Amateur Radio Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] MLS1 GE
The MLS 1 uses a 2816 eeprom, programmed via the TQ-2310 suitcase. E-mail me off list, we can program the MLS1 if needed Andy -- NC Certified Firefighter III / Instructor II / EMT-A FCC Licensed Technician / Amateur Call NC4AB / Echolink Node 5761 http://www.brinkleyelectronics.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] MLS1 GE
It can also be programmed with a PC. That's how I do it. Joe M. Eric Lemmon wrote: Steve, I have a GE MLS (aka MLS 1, once the MLS II came out) radio, and it has a PROM that must be programmed on a PROM burner. It does not use an EEPROM, so each change requires a new PROM. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
