[Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSB (aka ACSSB) Modulation Radios

2009-11-12 Thread skipp025






 basically as the title states. i have never heard of 
 ACSSB outside of 220-222 mhz.

There was quite a bit of hype about it in the 80's and 
90's, I recall seeing mention of it in various Handbooks 
and Magazines. 


 Seems to me ACSSB was a good idea and was curious as to 
 why the ham community has not picked up on it for mobile 
 HF SSB use.

Simple 
Cost of the radio and what mfgr is going to stick their 
necks out trying to make a dollar on an unknown format 
when known modulation schemes are already on the scene. 
In short, how practical is it?  There might be a case to 
include it as one of a selection of available modes in 
newer software defined radios... but don't look for it 
anytime soon. 

 seems to me having the benefits of SSB without the hassle 
 of messing with a Clarifier all the time has it's advantages 
 in a mobile environment.

It might... but Hams and CB'ers don't mind cranking the 
knobs. If you wanted hands off operation, FM is there and 
much more practical.... translation cheap to buy and 
use. 

 i know that the likely reason is NBFM and P25 for the demise 
 of ACSSB, but as stated above seems to me it would be at 
 home in the HF spectrum.

It's not hard to insert and detect the carrier in HF operation... 
but most of the newer HF Rigs have great frequency stability 
so once you adjust your RIT knob... you shouldn't have to go 
back. 

 I know i am going to get flamed for this, but i think ACSSB 
 would make a great replacement for standard ssb in the 11 
 Meter Market.

Too many radios already out there over a very long time span 
so you're not going to see any major changes on 11 Meters and 
it will remain a train-wreck for the most part. Rural Areas 
are not so bad when band conditions are favorable. 

 it would also allow the use of CTCSS on HF using a more 
 efficient mode than FM. imagine having ACSSB 10 meter 
 repeaters instead of FM.

In real world application... doesn't work so well. Again ACSB 
is another variant of AM and horribly suffers from noise 
issues, which is one of the major reasons the 220/222 MHz 
trunking farted and went away. 

RIP Securicor, Intek, LMS (Linear Modulation Systems), SEA - ACSB 
and Uniden ACSB. 

cheers, 
s. 



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSB (aka ACSSB) Modulation Radios

2009-11-12 Thread Nate Duehr
One comment missing from the ACSSB comment thread is that ACSSB
repeaters fill a niche that's just not needed...

If you want to do SSB on 2m/70cm, it's easy/cheap these days, and
built into tons of rigs... generally it outperforms FM repeaters
by quite a large margin across the size of most Metropolitan
areas, if you just want to talk to your usual buddies/crowd.

(Hey, the June VHF QSO Party contest scores are up at ARRL, by
the way...!)
--
  Nate Duehr, WY0X
  n...@natetech.com