RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
You people CANT be this bored with life. --- Fred Fitte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dex, You need to do your homework. RADAR as we know it (Police Radar) is not even covered under Part 15. A lot has changed over the years. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dexter McIntyre W4DEX Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:33 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Fred Fitte wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. But using it on the highway can get you in trouble. I know someone who almost got boxed up by a group of 18 wheelers when they figured out the signal lighting up their radar detectors was coming from a personal vehicle. A lot of these old radars are showing up at hamfest and I doubt very many are being bought for amateur radio projects. For those hams who say their X band radar has been tuned down into the amateur band from 10.525 GHz, I wonder how they send their required ID every 10 minutes. Also I wonder if K band radar at 24.150 GHz fall under FCC Part15 regulations. The power the gunn oscillator puts out may be at Part15 level into an isotropic antenna but what about when connected to a lens antenna? There was a time when each department had to have a FCC license for their radar units. Later their units were covered by their public safety radio license. Perhaps this has changed also. Dex Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
We can't? And why not? Some people have to be bored with something ... and the folks on here could be just the people you seem to be looking for ... Neil McKie Cody Hayden wrote: You people CANT be this bored with life. --- Fred Fitte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dex, You need to do your homework. RADAR as we know it (Police Radar) is not even covered under Part 15. A lot has changed over the years. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dexter McIntyre W4DEX Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:33 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Fred Fitte wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. But using it on the highway can get you in trouble. I know someone who almost got boxed up by a group of 18 wheelers when they figured out the signal lighting up their radar detectors was coming from a personal vehicle. A lot of these old radars are showing up at hamfest and I doubt very many are being bought for amateur radio projects. For those hams who say their X band radar has been tuned down into the amateur band from 10.525 GHz, I wonder how they send their required ID every 10 minutes. Also I wonder if K band radar at 24.150 GHz fall under FCC Part15 regulations. The power the gunn oscillator puts out may be at Part15 level into an isotropic antenna but what about when connected to a lens antenna? There was a time when each department had to have a FCC license for their radar units. Later their units were covered by their public safety radio license. Perhaps this has changed also. Dex Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Actually I am having so much fun who has time to be bored . ta ta ! Mark A. Holman AB8RU ARRL Life Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas We can't? And why not? Some people have to be bored with something ... and the folks on here could be just the people you seem to be looking for ... Neil McKie Cody Hayden wrote: You people CANT be this bored with life. --- Fred Fitte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dex, You need to do your homework. RADAR as we know it (Police Radar) is not even covered under Part 15. A lot has changed over the years. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dexter McIntyre W4DEX Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:33 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Fred Fitte wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. But using it on the highway can get you in trouble. I know someone who almost got boxed up by a group of 18 wheelers when they figured out the signal lighting up their radar detectors was coming from a personal vehicle. A lot of these old radars are showing up at hamfest and I doubt very many are being bought for amateur radio projects. For those hams who say their X band radar has been tuned down into the amateur band from 10.525 GHz, I wonder how they send their required ID every 10 minutes. Also I wonder if K band radar at 24.150 GHz fall under FCC Part15 regulations. The power the gunn oscillator puts out may be at Part15 level into an isotropic antenna but what about when connected to a lens antenna? There was a time when each department had to have a FCC license for their radar units. Later their units were covered by their public safety radio license. Perhaps this has changed also. Dex Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Depending on the colors of the lights, they may also be legal. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Pugh Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:45 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Did you also note what looked to me to be a flashing lite on the left rear deck behind the deck speaker? I looked for one on the driver's side, but couldn't positively make out that there was a light there. Looks to me like Jerry is in deep doo doo... Mike Eric wrote: Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
If you are a ham, K band is a shared allocation and covered under Part 97 (per Riley) If you are not a ham, it is covered under Part 90 and if you already are licensed under Part 90, that license covers it. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Otterson Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:16 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas I thought that police radar was licensed under Part 90... Jeff At 08:46 PM 7/21/2005, you wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
GROL does not provide any authorization to test drive radar. -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris Kirby Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:37 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Jeff Otterson wrote: I thought that police radar was licensed under Part 90... It's been said before that Jerry runs a communications shop; don't most shops own a repeater or three and have Part 90 license? Perhaps he was out for a test drive that day to test the radar unit under his GROL -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU! This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
For the same reason one might stand in a Park and give a speech that nobody cares about. It is legal. -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Pugh Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:50 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas But it also tends to get one arrested.. So, unless you're a cop, or are not wishing to invite trouble, why have one? Mike Fred Fitte wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Otterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that police radar was licensed under Part 90... This IS correct, radar uses a transmitter and ALL transmitters are required to be licensed. I am sure he does not have a license. Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred Maybe 'having it' is ok, but using it is not legal. Maybe he thinks he is covered by being a licensed ham Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
But does it pass the common sense test? I agree, it is legal and within our rights to possess the thing, but knowing that possession alone could possibly get you into trouble, and knowing that you had no need to own it besides to play with it, why mount it on your car, except to play cop? It just seems to me that the benefits did not weigh out well against the trouble he got in. It's legal (with the proper permits) to carry a handgun into a crowded mall. But if you start taking it out and pointing it at people, even if it is unloaded, your actions will be perceived by others as dangerous, and the authorities will likely arrest you. It's not what you posses that matters, it's what you do with your possessions that do... Mike Fred Fitte wrote: For the same reason one might stand in a Park and give a speech that nobody cares about. It is legal. -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Pugh Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:50 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas But it also tends to get one arrested.. So, unless you're a cop, or are not wishing to invite trouble, why have one? Mike Fred Fitte wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
At 05:38 AM 7/22/2005, Mike Pugh wrote: But does it pass the common sense test? I agree, it is legal and within our rights to possess the thing, but knowing that possession alone could possibly get you into trouble, Isn't that an oxymoron? and knowing that you had no need to own it besides to play with it, why mount it on your car, except to play cop? Because it amuses me to do so. Do I need any other reason to do anything that is legal and within my rights? I'd better not! It just seems to me that the benefits did not weigh out well against the trouble he got in. It's legal (with the proper permits) to carry a handgun into a crowded mall. But if you start taking it out and pointing it at people, even if it is unloaded, your actions will be perceived by others as dangerous, and the authorities will likely arrest you. That's not behavior that's covered under your concealed carry permit. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Mike, I am a retired LE office. If it is such a big deal, then there should be a statute that prohibits its use In a motor vehicle. I may not care for a lot Of things people do, but they should not get in trouble for it. We have a process in the US for dealing with such issues. If I do not like the color of your car or anything else about you, why then should you have an expectation of getting in trouble for that? Possessing radar is not why this gent was arrested. He was arrested for what I could see as a very vague law subject to interpretation. I happen to drive a stock black Ford Explorer with tinted glass (Factory Legal) with three AS broadband antennas in the roof, Should I get in trouble for impersonating a Secret Service Agent? Would not think so. Intent is something that is typically establish after the arrest in a court of law. Regards, Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Pugh Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 6:38 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas But does it pass the common sense test? I agree, it is legal and within our rights to possess the thing, but knowing that possession alone could possibly get you into trouble, and knowing that you had no need to own it besides to play with it, why mount it on your car, except to play cop? It just seems to me that the benefits did not weigh out well against the trouble he got in. It's legal (with the proper permits) to carry a handgun into a crowded mall. But if you start taking it out and pointing it at people, even if it is unloaded, your actions will be perceived by others as dangerous, and the authorities will likely arrest you. It's not what you posses that matters, it's what you do with your possessions that do... Mike Fred Fitte wrote: For the same reason one might stand in a Park and give a speech that nobody cares about. It is legal. -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Pugh Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:50 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas But it also tends to get one arrested.. So, unless you're a cop, or are not wishing to invite trouble, why have one? Mike Fred Fitte wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Using it is absolutely legal. As long as it is on the ham bands or one has a Part 90 license! Per the FCC, in writing! -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of motarolla_doctor Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 6:27 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Otterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that police radar was licensed under Part 90... This IS correct, radar uses a transmitter and ALL transmitters are required to be licensed. I am sure he does not have a license. Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred Maybe 'having it' is ok, but using it is not legal. Maybe he thinks he is covered by being a licensed ham Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Mike, How many people in this world lack common sense! A lot. We dont arrest for that, nor does the lack of common sense provide for 'probable cause to make an arrest. Why should anyone get in trouble for a lack of common sense. Laws are enacted to hopefully (bit always don't) eliminate that subjective desire to get someone in trouble. What is common sense to one, may be totally missing from another person. It is illegal, at least in NY, to take any hand gun out and start pointing it at people. Totally different issue than running radar in a personal car. It is not illegal to run radar. AS I mentioned before, if there are those who feel individuals should get in trouble for running radar, then there should be a law that states such. I have no problem with that. Regards, Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Pugh Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 6:38 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas But does it pass the common sense test? I agree, it is legal and within our rights to possess the thing, but knowing that possession alone could possibly get you into trouble, and knowing that you had no need to own it besides to play with it, why mount it on your car, except to play cop? It just seems to me that the benefits did not weigh out well against the trouble he got in. It's legal (with the proper permits) to carry a handgun into a crowded mall. But if you start taking it out and pointing it at people, even if it is unloaded, your actions will be perceived by others as dangerous, and the authorities will likely arrest you. It's not what you posses that matters, it's what you do with your possessions that do... Mike Fred Fitte wrote: For the same reason one might stand in a Park and give a speech that nobody cares about. It is legal. -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Pugh Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:50 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas But it also tends to get one arrested.. So, unless you're a cop, or are not wishing to invite trouble, why have one? Mike Fred Fitte wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Otterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that police radar was licensed under Part 90... This IS correct, radar uses a transmitter and ALL transmitters are required to be licensed. I am sure he does not have a license. Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred Maybe 'having it' is ok, but using it is not legal. Maybe he thinks he is covered by being a licensed ham Sorry, but if it transmits in the amateur authorized portion of the microwave band, it IS legal. Just because it may set off a nearby radar detector doesn't make it illegal, because the radar detector is a RECEIVER that is supposed to pick up microwave signals.(...and it's not necessary to have a license for a receiver, except for those states that make it illegal to specifically use a radar detector in a vehicle for the purpose of avoiding getting caught speeding). And radar detectors, especially the cheaper ones, are fairly broadbanded, so they will trip on signals that aren't necessarily true radar signals. I have read of some being set off by harmonics from a nearby amateur 440 MHz or 900 MHz transmitter. Regardless of what the vehicle LOOKED like, the focus of the legal situation is going to be whether or not the person was deliberately attempting to look or act like law enforcement, something none of us can determine by looking at a picture. Kenneth Buley Bullitt County EMA Deputy Director CD-2 Bullitt/Spencer Counties Red Cross ECRV Driver/Operator BC-6 Bullitt County ARES/RACES Coordinator KY4DES Dante once said that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Mike Pugh wrote: But it also tends to get one arrested.. So, unless you're a cop, or are not wishing to invite trouble, why have one? Mike But how can someone be arrested if they didn't do anything illegal If that's why the guy was given a ticket, the cop should be arrested, and taken off the road. Now, again, if the guy tried to pull someone over, he needs to go to jail for a lng time. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Fred Fitte wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
BRAVOMy whole point exactly. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim B. Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 10:02 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Mike Pugh wrote: But it also tends to get one arrested.. So, unless you're a cop, or are not wishing to invite trouble, why have one? Mike But how can someone be arrested if they didn't do anything illegal If that's why the guy was given a ticket, the cop should be arrested, and taken off the road. Now, again, if the guy tried to pull someone over, he needs to go to jail for a lng time. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Fred Fitte wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Dave VanHorn wrote: At 05:38 AM 7/22/2005, Mike Pugh wrote: But does it pass the common sense test? I agree, it is legal and within our rights to possess the thing, but knowing that possession alone could possibly get you into trouble, Isn't that an oxymoron? Right. 'Getting into trouble' simply for possessing something that is perfectly legal is just plain wrong, and anyone who creates such trouble must be dealt with. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Likewise, well said! -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Fred Fitte wrote: Mike, I am a retired LE office. If it is such a big deal, then there should be a statute that prohibits its use In a motor vehicle. I may not care for a lot Of things people do, but they should not get in trouble for it. We have a process in the US for dealing with such issues. If I do not like the color of your car or anything else about you, why then should you have an expectation of getting in trouble for that? Possessing radar is not why this gent was arrested. He was arrested for what I could see as a very vague law subject to interpretation. I happen to drive a stock black Ford Explorer with tinted glass (Factory Legal) with three AS broadband antennas in the roof, Should I get in trouble for impersonating a Secret Service Agent? Would not think so. Intent is something that is typically establish after the arrest in a court of law. Regards, Fred Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Neal Newman wrote: Yeah Right USDHS is the First step to being American Nazis I Vant to see your papers you need to carry your birth certificate or passport upstate NY without Leaving the state. I know it happened to me. First thing Customs needs to do is to get rid of the Mexican looking officers out of NYS and back on the Mexican Border where they can stop their reletives. USDHS what a Joke. Kind of reminds Me of a Cop who sees a mugging on a train platform and does nothing to Help because hes not required to.. His job is To protect transit property not the public. http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/21/patriot.act/index.html Freedom? What freedom? -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU! This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Not For nothing. I once owned a Crown Vic Bought it from a police auction complete with the Bolted Transmission. It was an old PA state Police chase car can you say Fast YEP. But the speed limit is Only 65. when I lived in NY I was involved in law enforcement. also my local OEM. I had at least. 13 antennas on my car I owned and still own My MPH-K55 Radar unit. soon after I left the job and moved to NJ the car was parked in a Lot where a tractor trailer could not make a Turn and decided to drive Over the car Crushing it. wish I had a picture. I bought a van whos speedometer was not working. SO I put My Calibrated K-55 on thedash. I had 6 antennas on this van. I was only questioned about the radar on the dash twice in 6 years Both times during stops at registration check points setup by town cops. they could not find in the NJ VTL where it would be illegal to use it. Second. since It was a Calibrated unit( with certifications on Unit and Tuning Forks) I used it as My accurate speedometer.. Third. The GROL allows you to service and Test Radar and other transmitters.. so I cannot see why a test drive would not be considered Legal.. the radio shops do it all the time in NY. Last My unit is on 10.525 Take it From there The van has since died these days I ride a harley and the unit wont fit on the bike. But I still keep the calibration upto date Yearly.and I use the unit to Clock the speed of My Birds( Im a Falconer) In a stoop. Very cool to demo to show how fast the Birds really going.. Neal Buley, Kenneth L (GE Consumer Industrial) wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Otterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that police radar was licensed under Part 90... This IS correct, radar uses a transmitter and ALL transmitters are required to be licensed. I am sure he does not have a license. Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred Maybe 'having it' is ok, but using it is not legal. Maybe he thinks he is covered by being a licensed ham Sorry, but if it transmits in the amateur authorized portion of the microwave band, it IS legal. Just because it "may" set off a nearby radar detector doesn't make it illegal, because the radar detector is a RECEIVER that is supposed to pick up microwave signals.(...and it's not necessary to have a license for a receiver, except for those states that make it illegal to specifically use a radar detector in a vehicle for the purpose of avoiding getting caught speeding). And radar detectors, especially the cheaper ones, are fairly broadbanded, so they will trip on signals that aren't necessarily true radar signals. I have read of some being set off by harmonics from a nearby amateur 440 MHz or 900 MHz transmitter. Regardless of what the vehicle LOOKED like, the focus of the legal situation is going to be whether or not the person was deliberately attempting to look or act like law enforcement, something none of us can determine by looking at a picture. Kenneth Buley Bullitt County EMA Deputy Director CD-2 Bullitt/Spencer Counties Red Cross ECRV Driver/Operator BC-6 Bullitt County ARES/RACES Coordinator KY4DES "Dante once said that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality." Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Whether he DID or DID NOT do anything illegal is up to the courts to decide. Apparently, one can infer from the arresting officer's actions that the officer had probable cause to arrest him based on what he observed Mike Jim B. wrote: Mike Pugh wrote: But it also tends to get one arrested.. So, unless you're a cop, or are not wishing to invite trouble, why have one? Mike But how can someone be arrested if they didn't do anything illegal If that's why the guy was given a ticket, the cop should be arrested, and taken off the road. Now, again, if the guy tried to pull someone over, he needs to go to jail for a lng time. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Mike Pugh wrote: Whether he DID or DID NOT do anything illegal is up to the courts to decide. Apparently, one can infer from the arresting officer's actions that the officer had probable cause to arrest him based on what he observed Mike No-only that he THOUGHT he did. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
At 11:12 AM 7/22/2005, Jim B. wrote: Mike Pugh wrote: Whether he DID or DID NOT do anything illegal is up to the courts to decide. Apparently, one can infer from the arresting officer's actions that the officer had probable cause to arrest him based on what he observed Mike No-only that he THOUGHT he did. Innocent till proven guilty. A frequently devalued concept lately. But I would agree, it seems that the case is not as clear as it seemed initially, and it will probably come down to what this guy was doing at the time. But, the law, as read, is a real piece of silliness, that's for sure. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
motarolla_doctor wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Otterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that police radar was licensed under Part 90... This IS correct, radar uses a transmitter and ALL transmitters are required to be licensed. I am sure he does not have a license. It was stated he has a commercial radio shop. Most radio shops have Part 90 licenses. Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred Maybe 'having it' is ok, but using it is not legal. Maybe he thinks he is covered by being a licensed ham If it's in the band that is shared by PS and hams, it DOES cover it! Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Could someone send me the URL to the original article off line. I have a friend in the NC Highway Patrol who is interested and is questioning whether this really happened. Please send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark A. Holman Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:50 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas back in 1976 I was at a ham swap and this dude had a old speed meter like D'Arvsonal kind that was older than dirt ! we plugged it in and we watched the meter bounc between speeds only this dud wanted some illegal stuff to trade, I offered him cash for it I said I don't smoke Dope and I am offering cash deal never went thru though, maybe an undercover cop maybe ?? he even drove away in a Blue unmarked cop car had no ids on it . makes you wonder. - Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo WN3A [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:31 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas K-55's on X band are still very much in use in New Jersey, which, at one time (maybe still) had the highest per-capita number of radar units in service. NJ state law still requires X band radar for the State Police! They're still using most of the units that they bought when the national 55 speed limit was enacted, including the early-version K-55's with the square antenna. I used to have a KR-10SP in a Volvo 4-door sedan, but was never accused of impersonating a police officer...I wonder why? :-) --- Jeff Jeff DePolo WN3A - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Broadcast and Communications Consultant -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.1/51 - Release Date: 7/18/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] RE: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
At 06:12 AM 7/21/2005, you wrote: Could someone send me the URL to the original article off line. I have a friend in the NC Highway Patrol who is interested and is questioning whether this really happened. Please send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Fred Hi, Fred (and all) It happened. I was in court yesterday to report on the story, and the hearing was continued until Sept. 14. The updated story is on this web page: http://www.jars.net/wb4vqp.htm Perhaps you could ask your friend in the NCHP to contact me for an on- or off-the-record comment? 73, Gary KN4AQ editor, SERA Repeater Journal Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Did you also note what looked to me to be a flashing lite on the left rear deck behind the deck speaker? I looked for one on the driver's side, but couldn't positively make out that there was a light there. Looks to me like Jerry is in deep doo doo... Mike Eric wrote: Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
But it also tends to get one arrested.. So, unless you're a cop, or are not wishing to invite trouble, why have one? Mike Fred Fitte wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
At 08:45 PM 7/21/2005 -0400, you wrote: Did you also note what looked to me to be a flashing lite on the left rear deck behind the deck speaker? ---Looks like a set of wig-wags to me... Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
I thought that police radar was licensed under Part 90... Jeff At 08:46 PM 7/21/2005, you wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Fred Fitte wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. But using it on the highway can get you in trouble. I know someone who almost got boxed up by a group of 18 wheelers when they figured out the signal lighting up their radar detectors was coming from a personal vehicle. A lot of these old radars are showing up at hamfest and I doubt very many are being bought for amateur radio projects. For those hams who say their X band radar has been tuned down into the amateur band from 10.525 GHz, I wonder how they send their required ID every 10 minutes. Also I wonder if K band radar at 24.150 GHz fall under FCC Part15 regulations. The power the gunn oscillator puts out may be at Part15 level into an isotropic antenna but what about when connected to a lens antenna? There was a time when each department had to have a FCC license for their radar units. Later their units were covered by their public safety radio license. Perhaps this has changed also. Dex Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Jeff Otterson wrote: I thought that police radar was licensed under Part 90... It's been said before that Jerry runs a communications shop; don't most shops own a repeater or three and have Part 90 license? Perhaps he was out for a test drive that day to test the radar unit under his GROL -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU! This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Or at least a wag! :-) Mike Ken Arck wrote: At 08:45 PM 7/21/2005 -0400, you wrote: Did you also note what looked to me to be a flashing lite on the left rear deck behind the deck speaker? ---Looks like a set of wig-wags to me... Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Kris Kirby wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Jeff Otterson wrote: I thought that police radar was licensed under Part 90... It's been said before that Jerry runs a communications shop; don't most shops own a repeater or three and have Part 90 license? Perhaps he was out for a test drive that day to test the radar unit under his GROL I'm calling BS on this one!! I was in the radio biz for 18 years. Most of that time, I drove a company car with at least two and sometimes 3 or 4 radio antennas on it. Of course, I didn't drive an old cop car, nor did I have a radar gun, or a set of wig wags on the rear deck. I never had ANY trouble with the law enforcement folks. But. I didn't act like a cop, walk like a cop, dress like a cop, or give any impression to anyone that I might be a policeman. I had radios full of law enforcement frequencies, both transmit and receive in my car. None of this stuff by itself will get you any trouble, I'm proof of it. It was said before, and I intend to agree, there must have been something else that has not come out that led the arresting officer to be misled into thinking this young man was acting in a manner that caused the officer to believe he was violating the state law. As for building a vehicle to be used by emergency or county officials in case of an emergency. I wonder who's authority he was building this vehicle under? If, in fact he was building it at the request of say a county judge, or a police chief, why hasn't this official stepped up and stopped the proceedings? It's just like the AREAS folks, they don't do anything until asked by an official, then they have the authority to act. Apparently this young man did not have the authority to act in a manner that he was. I wish him luck Mike Pugh KA4MKG Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Or Part 97. As was stated before, we share one of the 'radar' bands with other services. Joe M. Jeff Otterson wrote: I thought that police radar was licensed under Part 90... Jeff At 08:46 PM 7/21/2005, you wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
I know lots of hams who have EmCom vehicles under their own authority. You don't need permission to put one together. You only need permission of a PS agency to put transmit in an authorized radio, but the radios never came into play here - just the antennas. I have about 7 antennas on my vehicle - 10M/33 MHz, 6M/46 MHz, VHF/2M, UHF/440, 800, scanner (another HD VHF quarter wave), Cellular, and AM/FM. All are authorized either under my ham license or a local emergency center, a biz license, or are RX only. (getting a bit off of this topic) I also have a lightbar and related lights (all authorized under PA law and registered with the PA State Police). But, I also have a badge to go with the rest of the package. My vehicle serves many purposes, obviously. (ham mobile, business mobile, and a few PS uses) The only real difference is that I'm not active above 1.2 GHz (YET), and my vehicle is not a Crown Vic. (and I don't drive it in NC) I wouldn't mind getting a Crown Vic, though, as I don't care to let my present vehicle idle at a scene for hours on end. It's not built for it - Crown Vics are (at least the P71s are). Joe M. Mike Pugh wrote: As for building a vehicle to be used by emergency or county officials in case of an emergency. I wonder who's authority he was building this vehicle under? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
mch wrote: I know lots of hams who have EmCom vehicles under their own authority. You don't need permission to put one together. You only need permission of a PS agency to put transmit in an authorized radio, but the radios never came into play here - just the antennas. I know some of the same crowd. The question remains though Why? Who benefits?? The agencies? Can you truly imagine a scenario where an incident commander turns to an assistant, and says, Better call Joe Schmo, he and his 1978 Crown Vic have the only remaining police radio left in the county, We'll all die unless he can get here and transmit for us? The only person who benefits is the guy that gets to drive around with 27 antennas on his vehicle thinking he looks cool to someone who doesn't know any better... Kinda like our guy with the Chevy that started all of this.. I have about 7 antennas on my vehicle - 10M/33 MHz, 6M/46 MHz, VHF/2M, UHF/440, 800, scanner (another HD VHF quarter wave), Cellular, and AM/FM. All are authorized either under my ham license or a local emergency center, a biz license, or are RX only. (getting a bit off of this topic) I also have a lightbar and related lights (all authorized under PA law and registered with the PA State Police). But, I also have a badge to go with the rest of the package. Now we're talking You actually are who you are representing to be... The guy with the Chevy apparently is not. That's why he got the ticket... This is not an apples to apples comparison... My vehicle serves many purposes, obviously. (ham mobile, business mobile, and a few PS uses) The only real difference is that I'm not active above 1.2 GHz (YET), and my vehicle is not a Crown Vic. (and I don't drive it in NC) I wouldn't mind getting a Crown Vic, though, as I don't care to let my present vehicle idle at a scene for hours on end. It's not built for it - Crown Vics are (at least the P71s are). Why would you need to? Aren't there any real cop cars that can sit and idle for hours on end where you live? At $2.25 or so per gallon of gas, I would not care to let my car sit and idle for hours on end, especially if I was driving a Vic as my POV. Careful your slip is showing.. :-) Mike Joe M. Mike Pugh wrote: As for building a vehicle to be used by emergency or county officials in case of an emergency. I wonder who's authority he was building this vehicle under? Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Just a guess, but because he is a LICENSED HAM and may want to use the HAM BAND that many radar guns transmit on or can be modified to transmit on? Not everyone sticks with HF, or even VHF/UHF bands. As for 'extra' brake lights (assuming they are red) in the rear deck, most PD cars are sold with them left there and again, there is nothing illegal about a high mounted stop light. In fact, it's a requirement in most states. They don't have to bo that big, but again, not illegal. Again, I would encourage those wishing to discuss the matter to join: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GovtVShams/ so as to not tie up the RB list with a thread that is pretty much not on topic for this list. I'm sure many people are getting fed up with it. Joe M. Mike Pugh wrote: But it also tends to get one arrested.. So, unless you're a cop, or are not wishing to invite trouble, why have one? Mike Fred Fitte wrote: Having a radar unit is perfectly legal. Fred -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Well I went to the website posted and saw a picture of jerry's car. I would like jerry to explain why he has a Traffic Radar gun sitting on his dash, (zoom in on the dash) I think that might have been a factor in his getting arrested. Being a Ham and also a police officer I see allot of hams that are stepping over the line, from light bars to sirens, in all honesty I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. Eric Moeller Kc5Fog Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Mike Pugh wrote: mch wrote: I know lots of hams who have EmCom vehicles under their own authority. You don't need permission to put one together. You only need permission of a PS agency to put transmit in an authorized radio, but the radios never came into play here - just the antennas. I know some of the same crowd. The question remains though Why? Who benefits?? The agencies? Well, if you want to get technical about it, it's nearly an FCC mandate. Quoting Part 97 (PLEASE forgive me, Kevin) (a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications. That's really the first line in Part 97. Note the part 'particularly with respect to providing emergency communications'. Preparedness for any emergency is part of that federal mandate for the existance of the service! Having a mobile unit that has as much versitility as possible is as valuable as gold in an emergency. Who benefits? The public (again, quoted). Whomever relies upon hams for passing traffic. It takes a burden off of the emergency services, so they benefit indirectly, too, and YES, sometimes directly. Hams have been used when other means of communciations are down. To bring this on topic, even having a portable repeater is useful in an EnCom vehicle. You never know what function you may be called upon to perform, or where. Can you truly imagine a scenario where an incident commander turns to an assistant, and says, Better call Joe Schmo, he and his 1978 Crown Vic have the only remaining police radio left in the county, We'll all die unless he can get here and transmit for us? You want that scenario? OK, here it is. Many areas are going to trunked radio systems. That means hitting the right target can effectively take out an ENTIRE COUNTY. We all know cells will overload in an instant. When all the PDs have useless radios installed, and they can get a message to the command center via Joe Schmo, you had better believe they will take that option. I would if it means the ability to communicate. Look ay NYC. Who expected their communications system to literally disappear in the rubble? There are many cases where hams have been called the 'only means of communcations' in emergency situations. There have been many cases where a ham EmCom vehicle sat right beside a county EnCom Vehicle. The county deals with their comms, and the hams suppliment them and relieve them of some of the Health Welfare traffic. It sound like you may have never been involved in an emergency. These are the reasons for the existence of ARES and RACES, too. BUT, those organizations are not necessary for any ham to equip his own EmCom ham vehicle. Volunteers are becoming harder to find these days, so the role hams will play is becoming more important every day. (literally) The only person who benefits is the guy that gets to drive around with 27 antennas on his vehicle thinking he looks cool to someone who doesn't know any better... Kinda like our guy with the Chevy that started all of this.. And a single HF spider antenna doesn't 'look cool' to the uninformed? And to me, 27 antennas looks like a home-brew intermod alley, but that we can save for another thread. :-) Now we're talking You actually are who you are representing to be... The guy with the Chevy apparently is not. That's why he got the ticket... This is not an apples to apples comparison... True. But, take away the emergency lights and the badge, and it's awfully close. Are hams impersonating cops when they stand there with their HTs and pass comms at an event? In some cases they may even be using the same brand radios! (I do, but only for legal reasons, as you can't legally use a ham radio in the commercial band, so I use commercial radios with select ham frequencies in them.) I wouldn't mind getting a Crown Vic, though, as I don't care to let my present vehicle idle at a scene for hours on end. It's not built for it - Crown Vics are (at least the P71s are). Why would you need to? Aren't there any real cop cars that can sit and idle for hours on end where you live? At $2.25 or so per gallon of gas, I would not care to let my car sit and idle for hours on end, especially if I was driving a Vic as my POV. Well, most of the emergency services in my area are volunteer only except the PD (and some of those have volunteer reserves), IF there is even a PD in the area. Many areas are only patroled by the state. When will they get there? Who knows. Until then, I could very well be the only police presence on scene. When my butt is the only one out there, you had better believe I want as much communications as possible. But again, that's for another thread. So, aren't there any 'real cop cars' that can sit? In most cases, no. Most cars are tied up on other calls (again, if there are any in the municipality). In the case of
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Yeah Right USDHS is the First step to being American Nazis I Vant to see your papers you need to carry your birth certificate or passport upstate NY without Leaving the state. I know it happened to me. First thing Customs needs to do is to get rid of the Mexican looking officers out of NYS and back on the Mexican Border where they can stop their reletives. USDHS what a Joke. Kind of reminds Me of a Cop who sees a mugging on a train platform and does nothing to Help because hes not required to.. His job is To protect transit property not the public. -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU! This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
K-55's on X band are still very much in use in New Jersey, which, at one time (maybe still) had the highest per-capita number of radar units in service. NJ state law still requires X band radar for the State Police! They're still using most of the units that they bought when the national 55 speed limit was enacted, including the early-version K-55's with the square antenna. I used to have a KR-10SP in a Volvo 4-door sedan, but was never accused of impersonating a police officer...I wonder why? :-) --- Jeff Jeff DePolo WN3A - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Broadcast and Communications Consultant -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.1/51 - Release Date: 7/18/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
back in 1976 I was at a ham swap and this dude had a old speed meter like D'Arvsonal kind that was older than dirt ! we plugged it in and we watched the meter bounc between speeds only this dud wanted some illegal stuff to trade, I offered him cash for it I said I don't smoke Dope and I am offering cash deal never went thru though, maybe an undercover cop maybe ?? he even drove away in a Blue unmarked cop car had no ids on it . makes you wonder. - Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo WN3A [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:31 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas K-55's on X band are still very much in use in New Jersey, which, at one time (maybe still) had the highest per-capita number of radar units in service. NJ state law still requires X band radar for the State Police! They're still using most of the units that they bought when the national 55 speed limit was enacted, including the early-version K-55's with the square antenna. I used to have a KR-10SP in a Volvo 4-door sedan, but was never accused of impersonating a police officer...I wonder why? :-) --- Jeff Jeff DePolo WN3A - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Broadcast and Communications Consultant -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.1/51 - Release Date: 7/18/2005 Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Gents, Recently (May 2005) two young ham radio operators in my town, each of whom drove retired New York State Police cruisers they had purchased at state auction were questioned and given a hard time by both the local county Sheriff and several State Police officers. Both are amateur radio operators and had numerous antennas for the ham bands. On occasion they also operated KR 10 SP 24 Ghz radar units. The Sheriff tried to tell them it was illegal for a non-police officer to have a radar unit in their car (which is not true at all). The New York State Police made an inquiry of the FCC regarding their operation of the radar units. As an ARRL Assistant Director and retired law enforcement officer who also taught radio communication in the academy, I became curious and involved as I mentored both hams helping them get their tickets. GRANTED, they are wanna be's and I in fact did suggest they fly under the radar (sic), but being young like we all were at one time, they flew above it a little. I knew they would most likely get stopped and questioned, however as long as they wee not stopping anyone, they were legal. On a hunch I called Riley Hollingsworth and you guessed it, the NYSP in fact did call him regarding the radar operation. I met with Riley at Dayton and we had a chat regarding the issues and after several weeks, I received an email with a copy to the Director of Communications of the New York State Police (who I know) that it is perfectly legal for a ham to run a radar unit in a motor vehicle or anywhere as long as the frequency it operates on is in the amateur band. NOW..X band is just outside the ham bands, but K band 24.150 Mhz if one checks, is a shared allocation by hams and police. The FCC confirmed that K band is not exclusive to the Police. I am aware of some X band units that in fact have been retuned into the 10 Ghz ham band by radar techs. What the real problem was here is the that two are 20 years old, they had cops toys and the cops did not like it. They got the usual treatment because they were young. The bottom line is that it is perfectly legal for a non-police officer to run a radar unit mobile AND if the 10 Ghz in not tuned for the ham bands, it is an FCC issue, NOT a POLICE issue. There is no probable cause to stop a motorist, just because there is a radar unit on the dash. Both have since sold their Crown Vics because they got tired of the unwanted attention by the Police who had nothing better to do with their time. I took it upon myself to email the Lt. in the Sheriff's Dept. who had been ordered to inspect the cars by the Sheriff and advise him of the FCC response. He never acknowledged my email. Guess I took away all of their fun. Fred WA2MMX -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank R. Vondra Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 9:39 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas As an amateur radio operator and 30 year law enforcement veteran, I agree with you Lance. After blowing up the photo of the 1995 Caprice displayed on the jars webpage, I'm somewhat curious to know why the defendant has an MPH K-55 mobile radar unit mounted on the dash? I'm sure it's not for chasing DX on 10,525 mHz. Seems to me that the police and prosecutor are probably on the same page with this case and the arrestee is trying to play the ham card as a defense. Frank - WB0QQK --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Captainlance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All too true, but being both a ham , and being in Law Enforcement, I cannot see an officer just giving a ticket for what he perceived as a cop car... this violates basic rights guaranteed to us all. Perception is not a basis for a violation, it would seem that there may be parts of the occurrence missing from the story. Lance N2HBA Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
I have a suburban 1997 white with 6 antennas for Ham radio rigs and a UHF radio for Med Chs. I am also the Asst. EMS Director with an ambulance service and have flashing lights. the State Police here in CO have hassled me about my suburban. To have lights you must possess an Authorized Emergency Vehicle Sticker and be certified by the State of CO. I have this Sticker and there is nothing that they can do. The State patrol that lives in our town has been caught several times uptown running me into the ground about my antennas and my lights that he can do nothing about. So. Just to make things better I Got a dog cage and put in the back of the suburban to keep my Yellow lab in when we go camping/fishing etc. I tell you what they Local State Patrolman has had a fit. the local PD and Sheriff are ok with it they are who gave me lights. and emergency equipment. I only run the lights to calls and in emergency situations the antennas are all used for Ham radio and except the one for UHF Med Radio and one for 800 Digital Scanner. All of which I can have. I did not know this problem was this widespread until reading about the NC man. Stay strong and fight them.. From: Fred Fitte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:02:06 -0400 Gents, Recently (May 2005) two young ham radio operators in my town, each of whom drove retired New York State Police cruisers they had purchased at state auction were questioned and given a hard time by both the local county Sheriff and several State Police officers. Both are amateur radio operators and had numerous antennas for the ham bands. On occasion they also operated KR 10 SP 24 Ghz radar units. The Sheriff tried to tell them it was illegal for a non-police officer to have a radar unit in their car (which is not true at all). The New York State Police made an inquiry of the FCC regarding their operation of the radar units. As an ARRL Assistant Director and retired law enforcement officer who also taught radio communication in the academy, I became curious and involved as I mentored both hams helping them get their tickets. GRANTED, they are wanna be's and I in fact did suggest they fly under the radar (sic), but being young like we all were at one time, they flew above it a little. I knew they would most likely get stopped and questioned, however as long as they wee not stopping anyone, they were legal. On a hunch I called Riley Hollingsworth and you guessed it, the NYSP in fact did call him regarding the radar operation. I met with Riley at Dayton and we had a chat regarding the issues and after several weeks, I received an email with a copy to the Director of Communications of the New York State Police (who I know) that it is perfectly legal for a ham to run a radar unit in a motor vehicle or anywhere as long as the frequency it operates on is in the amateur band. NOW..X band is just outside the ham bands, but K band 24.150 Mhz if one checks, is a shared allocation by hams and police. The FCC confirmed that K band is not exclusive to the Police. I am aware of some X band units that in fact have been retuned into the 10 Ghz ham band by radar techs. What the real problem was here is the that two are 20 years old, they had cops toys and the cops did not like it. They got the usual treatment because they were young. The bottom line is that it is perfectly legal for a non-police officer to run a radar unit mobile AND if the 10 Ghz in not tuned for the ham bands, it is an FCC issue, NOT a POLICE issue. There is no probable cause to stop a motorist, just because there is a radar unit on the dash. Both have since sold their Crown Vics because they got tired of the unwanted attention by the Police who had nothing better to do with their time. I took it upon myself to email the Lt. in the Sheriff's Dept. who had been ordered to inspect the cars by the Sheriff and advise him of the FCC response. He never acknowledged my email. Guess I took away all of their fun. Fred WA2MMX -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank R. Vondra Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 9:39 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas As an amateur radio operator and 30 year law enforcement veteran, I agree with you Lance. After blowing up the photo of the 1995 Caprice displayed on the jars webpage, I'm somewhat curious to know why the defendant has an MPH K-55 mobile radar unit mounted on the dash? I'm sure it's not for chasing DX on 10,525 mHz. Seems to me that the police and prosecutor are probably on the same page with this case and the arrestee is trying to play the ham card as a defense. Frank - WB0QQK --- In
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Frank R. Vondra wrote: As an amateur radio operator and 30 year law enforcement veteran, I agree with you Lance. After blowing up the photo of the 1995 Caprice displayed on the jars webpage, I'm somewhat curious to know why the defendant has an MPH K-55 mobile radar unit mounted on the dash? I'm sure it's not for chasing DX on 10,525 mHz. Seems to me that the police and prosecutor are probably on the same page with this case and the arrestee is trying to play the ham card as a defense. Frank - WB0QQK I *believe* the K-55 is the unit that is no longer accepted for law-enforcement speed use. I know there was one older 10Ghz unit that was very unreliable-it would indicate various speeds in reaction to things like blower motors in the car, etc. So I don't believe any dept should still be using them. I know NO ONE here in NE Ohio that uses 10Ghz radar anymore. My father was pulled over by a local dept many years ago. While sitting on the side of the road, with no other vehicles in sight, the radar unit indicted abt 35 mph. When the radiator fan on my fathers '81 Escort stopped (it would run at any time, even with the ignition shut off), the radar went to zero. They were told to junk all of those units (he worked for the company that cal'd them for that city). Would you believe they tried to get him again more than a year later with the same unit??? I don't know for sure if it was a K55, but I do know it was 10Ghz. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
MPH units were dogs... I know I repaired and recertified them for several years. At least in FL X band (10 GHz) was not valid even before 1993. I am saying that I THINK X band was out of the picture nationwide at that time but I never saw it in writing so I cant bet my life on it. I too was in Law Enforcement till' I learned how much better the pay was in electronics and I got tired of the BS lawsuits all the time. There are a lot of good natured people out there that can go over board with what we call wannabe stuff and there are others that are just looking for trouble. Yes that was a MPH on the dashboard, yes the antennas, the radar and the car did make it like an unmarked car. Does this justify a tongue lashing ? Yes, trial or even a ticket no... If he is looking for trouble continue with the MPH on the dashboard, but if not put it away and continue on, if he get's hassled again then it actually is unfair BUT looking at the whole picture the K-55 on the dash did put it over the edge in my eyes 10 GHz allocation or not. I just had to put my 2 cents in sorry but I think even though amusing discussion it's way off topic for this long of a thread. Rich -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim B. Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 3:52 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas Frank R. Vondra wrote: As an amateur radio operator and 30 year law enforcement veteran, I agree with you Lance. After blowing up the photo of the 1995 Caprice displayed on the jars webpage, I'm somewhat curious to know why the defendant has an MPH K-55 mobile radar unit mounted on the dash? I'm sure it's not for chasing DX on 10,525 mHz. Seems to me that the police and prosecutor are probably on the same page with this case and the arrestee is trying to play the ham card as a defense. Frank - WB0QQK I *believe* the K-55 is the unit that is no longer accepted for law-enforcement speed use. I know there was one older 10Ghz unit that was very unreliable-it would indicate various speeds in reaction to things like blower motors in the car, etc. So I don't believe any dept should still be using them. I know NO ONE here in NE Ohio that uses 10Ghz radar anymore. My father was pulled over by a local dept many years ago. While sitting on the side of the road, with no other vehicles in sight, the radar unit indicted abt 35 mph. When the radiator fan on my fathers '81 Escort stopped (it would run at any time, even with the ignition shut off), the radar went to zero. They were told to junk all of those units (he worked for the company that cal'd them for that city). Would you believe they tried to get him again more than a year later with the same unit??? I don't know for sure if it was a K55, but I do know it was 10Ghz. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Jim B. wrote: So I don't believe any dept should still be using them. I know NO ONE here in NE Ohio that uses 10Ghz radar anymore. I should add that they don't use 10Ghz units for issuing tickets anymore... -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
The problem is selective enforcement AND too much spare time on their hands. Instead of horassing thoes who would help them in a time of need, they should be nailing drunk driver and putting then in jail. I just watched a Sherrif Deputy sitting at an intersection and about 10 cars ran the STOP signs at the four way stop. What was he doing, playing with his thumbs. I think it is also a POWER thing I worked with the local PD for ten years and nearly all of them was on a power trip. Don't get me wrong, I support law enforcement, but a lot of them need to chill out a bit. 73 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Frank R. Vondra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an amateur radio operator and 30 year law enforcement veteran, I agree with you Lance. After blowing up the photo of the 1995 Caprice displayed on the jars webpage, I'm somewhat curious to know why the defendant has an MPH K-55 mobile radar unit mounted on the dash? I'm sure it's not for chasing DX on 10,525 mHz. Seems to me that the police and prosecutor are probably on the same page with this case and the arrestee is trying to play the ham card as a defense. Frank - WB0QQK --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Captainlance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All too true, but being both a ham , and being in Law Enforcement, I cannot see an officer just giving a ticket for what he perceived as a cop car... this violates basic rights guaranteed to us all. Perception is not a basis for a violation, it would seem that there may be parts of the occurrence missing from the story. Lance N2HBA Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
Now the truth comes out ! Playing Wannabe cop, we just had a similar problem with a turkey who so far I know a non-ham over in Ottawa County, he just got busted. I was on the phone one day with State Dispatch about an issue and I asked about the phoney cop case I also advised them about some 3 guys from Illinois in a Blue Caprice, needless to say Starsky, Hutch and tag along was seen no more! and every time someone ask me I said Ham Radio Operator look at my plate AB8RU Amateur Operator to help identify that. what on a 94 Dodge Shadow ? yeah right and I am about to hook up my Stereo as soon as the new harness is in the mailbox. check my web site I put it there also. Mark A. Holman AB8RU ARRL Life Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Frank R. Vondra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 9:39 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas As an amateur radio operator and 30 year law enforcement veteran, I agree with you Lance. After blowing up the photo of the 1995 Caprice displayed on the jars webpage, I'm somewhat curious to know why the defendant has an MPH K-55 mobile radar unit mounted on the dash? I'm sure it's not for chasing DX on 10,525 mHz. Seems to me that the police and prosecutor are probably on the same page with this case and the arrestee is trying to play the ham card as a defense. Frank - WB0QQK --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Captainlance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All too true, but being both a ham , and being in Law Enforcement, I cannot see an officer just giving a ticket for what he perceived as a cop car... this violates basic rights guaranteed to us all. Perception is not a basis for a violation, it would seem that there may be parts of the occurrence missing from the story. Lance N2HBA Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: NC man charged with 'driving a cop car' due to ham antennas
As an amateur radio operator and 30 year law enforcement veteran, I agree with you Lance. After blowing up the photo of the 1995 Caprice displayed on the jars webpage, I'm somewhat curious to know why the defendant has an MPH K-55 mobile radar unit mounted on the dash? I'm sure it's not for chasing DX on 10,525 mHz. Seems to me that the police and prosecutor are probably on the same page with this case and the arrestee is trying to play the ham card as a defense. Frank - WB0QQK --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Captainlance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All too true, but being both a ham , and being in Law Enforcement, I cannot see an officer just giving a ticket for what he perceived as a cop car... this violates basic rights guaranteed to us all. Perception is not a basis for a violation, it would seem that there may be parts of the occurrence missing from the story. Lance N2HBA Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
