Re: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?
I agree. It's buried in an unlikely spot. With as much discussion that it gets, it maybe should be in a category of its own. Or maybe a FAQ list with a link. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: George Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder? - Original Message - From: Mike Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder? I nailed that coffin shut with the writeup on the www.repeater-builder.com Radio Shack page. Mike WA6ILQ Thanks. That was just what I was looking for (though certainly not where I expected to find it!) Someone locally was trying to say that it came down the other way. George Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?
In order not to start a rules regulations thread can anyone point me to a definitive opinion on the legality of using NWS SAME decoders to automatically transmit severe weather bulletins over amateur radio? I know that there were divided opinions, with one side coming down strongly against it, as an unlicensed individual (the NWS employee activating the receiver) is causing an amateur radio station to transmit... similar to the argument against the use of reverse autopatch by non-hams. Either a link to an FCC opinion or discussion off-list, please. George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413 - Original Message - From: Ralph Hogan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder? Hi Mike, As far as I know, morris softronics has nothing to do with midland radios, 'midlands' is just part of their domain name. Their SAME decoder board allows insertion of any radios audio source, in my case a GE M2 voter rx on 162.4. I know its a little over kill, but hey the rx works good in a high IM site :) It has a couple of control bits to and from the card for wx alert status and on/off over-ride control of the wx audio. Those tie into your repeater controller of choice. Its serially rs-232 programmed for the SAME codes of interest. 73's Ralph W4XE
RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?
In order not to start a rules regulations thread can anyone point me to a definitive opinion on the legality of using NWS SAME decoders to automatically transmit severe weather bulletins over amateur radio? I know that there were divided opinions, with one side coming down strongly against it, as an unlicensed individual (the NWS employee activating the receiver) is causing an amateur radio station to transmit... similar to the argument against the use of reverse autopatch by non-hams. I posed this question to Riley Hollingsworth via email, his response was that it could not be done automatically, but rather the rebroadcast had to be done by a control operator. We do it automagically while a control operator monitors it. I figure it's close enough. 73
Re: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?
I nailed that coffin shut with the writeup on the www.repeater-builder.com Radio Shack page. Mike WA6ILQ At 04:19 PM 06/05/07, you wrote: In order not to start a rules regulations thread can anyone point me to a definitive opinion on the legality of using NWS SAME decoders to automatically transmit severe weather bulletins over amateur radio? I know that there were divided opinions, with one side coming down strongly against it, as an unlicensed individual (the NWS employee activating the receiver) is causing an amateur radio station to transmit... similar to the argument against the use of reverse autopatch by non-hams. Either a link to an FCC opinion or discussion off-list, please. George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413 - Original Message - From: Ralph Hogan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder? Hi Mike, As far as I know, morris softronics has nothing to do with midland radios, 'midlands' is just part of their domain name. Their SAME decoder board allows insertion of any radios audio source, in my case a GE M2 voter rx on 162.4. I know its a little over kill, but hey the rx works good in a high IM site :) It has a couple of control bits to and from the card for wx alert status and on/off over-ride control of the wx audio. Those tie into your repeater controller of choice. Its serially rs-232 programmed for the SAME codes of interest. 73's Ralph W4XE Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?
At 04:36 PM 06/05/07, you wrote: In order not to start a rules regulations thread can anyone point me to a definitive opinion on the legality of using NWS SAME decoders to automatically transmit severe weather bulletins over amateur radio? I know that there were divided opinions, with one side coming down strongly against it, as an unlicensed individual (the NWS employee activating the receiver) is causing an amateur radio station to transmit... similar to the argument against the use of reverse autopatch by non-hams. I posed this question to Riley Hollingsworth via email, his response was that it could not be done automatically, but rather the rebroadcast had to be done by a control operator. When was this? We do it automagically while a control operator monitors it. I figure it's close enough. 73 Daron J. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] In my writeup (posted at http://www.repeater-builder.com/radio-shack/radio-shack-index.html I specifically said automatically in my email to Riley on November 15th 2006. Riley forwarded my email to Dan Henderson N1ND ARRL Regulatory Information Specialist, @ the ARRL, who on the 17th said it was OK as long as a control op was monitoring and could shut it down if needed. Dan said it was OK, and as he was speaking for Riley (and I saved all the emails), it's fine with me. Hopefully the web page I created answers all the questions. If it doesn't let me know and I'll email Dan (again). REMEMBER - Part 97 is the ONLY section in the FCC rules that say You can't do X. Every other section - GMRS, Public Safety, CB, Aircraft, etc all say You can only do X. Don't give them any opening to say NO. If you have a good reasonable reason to do something, do it on a private limited use system at your house. If it works out, do it (or move it) to an open wide area coverage system. That's how the first remote base in the Southern Calif area got put up in the mid 1950s - first on a garage repeater, then on a mountaintop. The remote control was a rotary telephone dial pulsing an audio oscillator. Nobody asked is it legal? They just did it. Mike WA6ILQ
RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?
Your closing comment reminds me of two Rules to Live By I learned in my 22+ year military career: Rule 1. Don't ask the question if you're afraid of the answer. Rule 2. It is sometimes better to ask for forgiveness afterwards than to get permission first. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:18 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder? snip Don't give them any opening to say NO. If you have a good reasonable reason to do something, do it on a private limited use system at your house. If it works out, do it (or move it) to an open wide area coverage system. That's how the first remote base in the Southern Calif area got put up in the mid 1950s - first on a garage repeater, then on a mountaintop. The remote control was a rotary telephone dial pulsing an audio oscillator. Nobody asked is it legal? They just did it. Mike WA6ILQ
RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?
At 06:06 PM 6/5/2007, you wrote: Rule 1. Don't ask the question if you're afraid of the answer. Rule 2. It is sometimes better to ask for forgiveness afterwards than to get permission first. ---True enough! Then again, I try to live my life by 2 other rules: 1) Never share everything you know 2) Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!
Re: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?
- Original Message - From: Mike Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder? I nailed that coffin shut with the writeup on the www.repeater-builder.com Radio Shack page. Mike WA6ILQ Thanks. That was just what I was looking for (though certainly not where I expected to find it!) Someone locally was trying to say that it came down the other way. George
RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?
I posed this question to Riley Hollingsworth via email, his response was that it could not be done automatically, but rather the rebroadcast had to be done by a control operator. When was this? Well geez I'm sorry, not enough caffeine in my blood system. I went back and looked, and the response was similar to what you said, that it was OK to be automatic as long as the control operator could still control the machine. Not sure why I thought it was different, guess I slept too many times since then. 73
RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?
These may still be available: http://storefront.midlands.net/msftrncs/products/nwsamd/default.htm They work well. There are a couple in use in this area. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of crackedofn0de Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:29 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder? I'm looking for a SAME decoder to interface to my repeater controller via TTL outputs. It'll be taking audio from a UHF receiver tuned to a link frequency, so a product with a built-in VHF receiver is not what I'm looking for. The CAT WD-100 would do (and then some), but is there another similar product out there right now? James K7ICU Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?
I have no idea how the Softronics units work but avoid the Midland branded SAME receivers in ham radio repeater use. The midlands have a design flaw that the Radio Shack receivers don't have. The programmed SAME code opens the squelch, but the midlands then start a timer (built into the firmware), and shut the audio off when the timer expires, even if it's in the middle of a weather alert announcement. The same timer keeps the audio on for no good purpose after an RWT (required weekly test). On the other hand the Radio Shack receivers actually listen for the SAME turnoff code and act properly on it... they actually unmute the audio for the message, and remute it when it's done... what a concept. I was told that one guy modified the RS receiver to insert audio from an external receiver into its decoder section, but I've not tracked him down. If I can, I'll get enough info for an article for the RS page at www.repeater-builder.com Mike WA6ILQ At 05:49 AM 06/04/07, you wrote: These may still be available: http://storefront.midlands.net/msftrncs/products/nwsamd/default.htm They work well. There are a couple in use in this area. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of crackedofn0de Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:29 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder? I'm looking for a SAME decoder to interface to my repeater controller via TTL outputs. It'll be taking audio from a UHF receiver tuned to a link frequency, so a product with a built-in VHF receiver is not what I'm looking for. The CAT WD-100 would do (and then some), but is there another similar product out there right now? James K7ICU Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?
The new model RS radios work just like the Midland- Timer Based. You want to find the older model RS radios to have it actually shut off at the end of the message. Found that out the hard way. Tom W9SRV Mike Morris WA6ILQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no idea how the Softronics units work but avoid the Midland branded SAME receivers in ham radio repeater use. The midlands have a design flaw that the Radio Shack receivers don't have. The programmed SAME code opens the squelch, but the midlands then start a timer (built into the firmware), and shut the audio off when the timer expires, even if it's in the middle of a weather alert announcement. The same timer keeps the audio on for no good purpose after an RWT (required weekly test). On the other hand the Radio Shack receivers actually listen for the SAME turnoff code and act properly on it... they actually unmute the audio for the message, and remute it when it's done... what a concept. I was told that one guy modified the RS receiver to insert audio from an external receiver into its decoder section, but I've not tracked him down. If I can, I'll get enough info for an article for the RS page at www.repeater-builder.com Mike WA6ILQ At 05:49 AM 06/04/07, you wrote: These may still be available: http://storefront.midlands.net/msftrncs/products/nwsamd/default.htm They work well. There are a couple in use in this area. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of crackedofn0de Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:29 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder? I'm looking for a SAME decoder to interface to my repeater controller via TTL outputs. It'll be taking audio from a UHF receiver tuned to a link frequency, so a product with a built-in VHF receiver is not what I'm looking for. The CAT WD-100 would do (and then some), but is there another similar product out there right now? James K7ICU Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder?
Hi Mike, As far as I know, morris softronics has nothing to do with midland radios, 'midlands' is just part of their domain name. Their SAME decoder board allows insertion of any radios audio source, in my case a GE M2 voter rx on 162.4. I know its a little over kill, but hey the rx works good in a high IM site :) It has a couple of control bits to and from the card for wx alert status and on/off over-ride control of the wx audio. Those tie into your repeater controller of choice. Its serially rs-232 programmed for the SAME codes of interest. 73's Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:30 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder? I have no idea how the Softronics units work but avoid the Midland branded SAME receivers in ham radio repeater use. The midlands have a design flaw that the Radio Shack receivers don't have. The programmed SAME code opens the squelch, but the midlands then start a timer (built into the firmware), and shut the audio off when the timer expires, even if it's in the middle of a weather alert announcement. The same timer keeps the audio on for no good purpose after an RWT (required weekly test). On the other hand the Radio Shack receivers actually listen for the SAME turnoff code and act properly on it... they actually unmute the audio for the message, and remute it when it's done... what a concept. I was told that one guy modified the RS receiver to insert audio from an external receiver into its decoder section, but I've not tracked him down. If I can, I'll get enough info for an article for the RS page at www.repeater-builder.com Mike WA6ILQ At 05:49 AM 06/04/07, you wrote: These may still be available: http://storefront.midlands.net/msftrncs/products/nwsamd/default.htm They work well. There are a couple in use in this area. Ralph W4XE -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of crackedofn0de Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:29 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] NWS SAME Decoder? I'm looking for a SAME decoder to interface to my repeater controller via TTL outputs. It'll be taking audio from a UHF receiver tuned to a link frequency, so a product with a built-in VHF receiver is not what I'm looking for. The CAT WD-100 would do (and then some), but is there another similar product out there right now? James K7ICU Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
