RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PGE Smart Meter Program
TriBBS was my choice for my BBS. The Inner Sanctum I even left it up via telnet for sometime after the internet gobbled up my users. =] Chris Kb0wlf -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kc7stw Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 2:39 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PGE Smart Meter Program --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis kc8...@... wrote: which really won't help them. people will just start going old school and having hard drive swapping parties similar to the old tape swapping parties of the 80's. who knows. there is some much greed and people on power trips now a days that i beleive we are destined to repeat the history of other great societies. Sounds like the good old BBS might make a comeback after all... ;) Long live TriBBS.. Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.61/2498 - Release Date: 11/12/09 07:38:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PGE Smart Meter Program
I ran fido and others google u.s.s alliance bs brampton 1st started on the old apple ][ + then ibm then telent umm good ol days On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Chris Curtis demo...@rollanet.org wrote: TriBBS was my choice for my BBS. The Inner Sanctum I even left it up via telnet for sometime after the internet gobbled up my users. =] Chris Kb0wlf -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comRepeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[mailto: Repeater- buil...@yahoogroups.com Builder%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kc7stw Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 2:39 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comRepeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PGE Smart Meter Program --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comRepeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis kc8...@... wrote: which really won't help them. people will just start going old school and having hard drive swapping parties similar to the old tape swapping parties of the 80's. who knows. there is some much greed and people on power trips now a days that i beleive we are destined to repeat the history of other great societies. Sounds like the good old BBS might make a comeback after all... ;) Long live TriBBS.. Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.61/2498 - Release Date: 11/12/09 07:38:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PGE Smart Meter Program
At 04:44 PM 11/12/2009, you wrote: I ran fido and others I ran Mark Woltz' Spitfire - Enchanted Forest BBS I was a beta tester for Spitfire, as well as for the Dual Standard modems Used to run a 10-CD files area Larry Wagoner - N5WLW VP - PRCARC PIC - MS SECT ARRL
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PGE Smart Meter Program
At 04:49 PM 11/12/2009, you wrote: I ran Mark Woltz' Spitfire - Enchanted Forest BBS I was a beta tester for Spitfire, as well as for the Dual Standard modems Used to run a 10-CD files area Make that Mike Woltz ... Memory is failing ... Larry Wagoner - N5WLW VP - PRCARC PIC - MS SECT ARRL
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PGE Smart Meter Program
Some of you panic merchants are amusing ( mostly unsubstantiated wild claims) , locally the wireless readings thing was tried and mostly failed due to so many objections on bad readings so we get regular physical readings Unless there has been a major improvement I would expect the same in your part of the woods , one thing we have seen is a govco funded purchase of small solar units which made a decent hole in power company profits keeping prices down although currently there is a lot of competition with at one knock a month from some start up suggesting they can do it cheaper We all have to remember there is always an alternative ( our new place is wind/solar and sells power back into the grid so its certainly achievable ) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: demo...@rollanet.org Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:04:32 -0600 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PGE Smart Meter Program TriBBS was my choice for my BBS. The Inner Sanctum I even left it up via telnet for sometime after the internet gobbled up my users. =] Chris Kb0wlf -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kc7stw Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 2:39 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PGE Smart Meter Program --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis kc8...@... wrote: which really won't help them. people will just start going old school and having hard drive swapping parties similar to the old tape swapping parties of the 80's. who knows. there is some much greed and people on power trips now a days that i beleive we are destined to repeat the history of other great societies. Sounds like the good old BBS might make a comeback after all... ;) Long live TriBBS.. Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.61/2498 - Release Date: 11/12/09 07:38:00 _ Need a place to rent, buy or share? Let us find your next place for you! http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PGE Smart Meter Program
On the upside, haven't seen a massive computer system that worked 100% right yet... and I've worked on some with REALLY big budgets... so there'll be IT jobs galore after they figure out it doesn't work right -- all the time... :-) Perhaps a few RF-related jobs too, since that's really how they get the data 'round... same stuff as the ever-evil BPL fight... just for their data instead of yours... Nate WY0X On Nov 11, 2009, at 10:20 PM, wb6dgn wrote: Who's going to pay for it... you the customer I don't imagine that it will take them very long to amortize that investment considering the reduction in workforce...mainly meter readers, but office personnel as well. I expect the data will go directly from reader/storage to processing computers eliminating a lot of steps along the way AND a lot of jobs. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Paul Plack pl...@... wrote: Sounds to me like having a friend in the shop at PGE will come in handy when it's time to build short-hop links or a portable event repeater! - 73, Paul AE4KR - Original Message - From: skipp025 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:02 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] PGE Smart Meter Program For those of us out here on the West (Left) Coast... PGE our Electricity Provider has started their Smart Meter program, where the meter reading will now be done by RF Communications. I had concerns about the equipment causing interference so I called and received the following information. RF Frequency Range of operation 450-470 MHz FSK Modulation Power Out - reported 100 to 300 mW, 200mW typical. Reporting Time - once every 4 to 6 hours. Who's going to pay for it... you the customer. cheers, s. -- Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com facebook.com/denverpilot twitter.com/denverpilot
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: PGE Smart Meter Program
At 09:28 PM 11/11/09, you wrote: On the upside, haven't seen a massive computer system that worked 100% right yet... and I've worked on some with REALLY big budgets... so there'll be IT jobs galore after they figure out it doesn't work right -- all the time... :-) Perhaps a few RF-related jobs too, since that's really how they get the data 'round... same stuff as the ever-evil BPL fight... just for their data instead of yours... Nate WY0X Their data ? Try their subpoenable data See: http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20090906_Utilities__smart_meters_save_money__but_erode_privacy.html This is really worth reading. http://consumercal.blogspot.com/2009/09/emerging-privacy-threat-posed-by-smart.html As is this one. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1370731 http://dailycensored.com/2009/11/08/smart-meters-raise-privacy-concerns/ Smart gas and water meters are being installed as well as electrical. And don't forget, the consumer will eventually end up paying for these smart meters. And the smart meters may well work out to be far more expensive for consumers in the long run. What the media or fuel suppliers have failed to point out is that a 'Smart meter' can record the minute-by-minute or hour-by-hour consumption of the product consumed at any moment in time, or over any period of time. Why should the consumer worry, well for this reason. Multiple tariffs using a 'Smart meter' can be employed by a fuel supplier. Put simply a supplier could charge double the tariff say between 8am and 10am, normal tariff between 10am and 4pm, between 4pm and 8pm again twice the normal tariff, and finally lets say half tariff for 8pm to 8am the following morning. Above is all perfectly possible and only shows some of the possibilities the 'Smart meter' might bring. One thing is certain the suppliers will have endless opportunities to increase their profits while reducing costs... no wonder they want 'Smart meters'!! And what happens to privacy when the data gets hacked, or goes offshore for analysis at a processing center in India, Brazil, or the Philippines ? Mike
