Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater

2010-03-25 Thread Maire-Radios
look at the new version of the TKR-740  the NXR-700  repeater   it is the way 
to go and get the ver 2 software.

John
727-441-3250



  - Original Message - 
  From: skipp025 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:37 AM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater



   Jed Barton j...@... wrote:
   Hey guys,
   Need some input here. I'm putting together a public safety 
   repeater for my local FD. It's going to be really simple. 
   Given the reliability factor, we're going with a Kenwood. 
   Here's the million dollar question, i need some input. How 
   about a kenwood tkr750 or a tkr740. I've run several 750s with
   great results. I have not played with the 740, but i know it 
   has an amazing receiver, but yet only pushes a few watts. 
   Any suggestions for a good amp, perhaps Cresend i think it is.
   Thanks,
   Jed

  Hi Jed, 

  The Kenwood TKR-750 and TKR-740 are both great Repeaters. The 
  TKR-750 also has an amazing receiver. Proper setup of the receiver 
  should normally include the front end pre-selector alignment 
  using a special coax cable jig assembly and a tracking generator
  properly configured and installed onto the PC-Board matching 
  input and RF sample port/jack. 

  Most people and Dealers tend to do the more casual peak for max 
  signal method, which results in very usable but not the absolute 
  best sensitivity and performance. I'm very much amazed how many 
  repeaters we service with rather odd looking (on the test 
  equipment) tweak and peak front end alignment(s). So be sure to 
  ask any Dealer what and how they prepare your equipment before 
  they send it to you. 

  The TKR-750 is more of a self contained ready to use repeater 
  with a lot of built in features. Very popular for operations 
  toward the 50 watt power level. 

  The TKR-740 is more of system repeater meaning... how many owners 
  often use them with external Power Amplifiers and Controllers. The 
  TKR-740 has much less power output and normal operation assumed by 
  most people is to include an external RF Power Amplifier. 

  If you need to bark higher than a 50 watt signal onto the air the 
  most popular method is to include (and use) an external RF Amplifier. 

  You can save quite a bit of serious money by using the same external 
  amplifier configuration with a TKR-750 Repeater and a higher drive 
  (input) level External Amplifier. There's nothing in stone about 
  driving an external high power RF Amplifier at the 25 to 50 watt 
  level compared to spending a lot more money on a low drive level 
  amplifier. TPL, Cresend and TE can and will sell you higher drive 
  amplifiers for much less money and you end up with pretty much the 
  same end product. In the hopefully rare case where an external 
  amplifier might fail, continued repeater operation at the 25-50 
  watt power level is quite usable versus the very low power output 
  of the 740 repeater. There can be different advantages to using 
  the TKR-750 or the TKR-740 Repeater.

  cheers, 
  skipp 

  skipp025 at yahoo.com 
  www.radiowrench.com 



  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater

2010-03-25 Thread Maire-Radios
also there is the NXR-710 that replaces the TKR-750


  - Original Message - 
  From: Maire-Radios 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater




  look at the new version of the TKR-740  the NXR-700  repeater   it is the way 
to go and get the ver 2 software.

  John
  727-441-3250



- Original Message - 
From: skipp025 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:37 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater


  
 Jed Barton j...@... wrote:
 Hey guys,
 Need some input here. I'm putting together a public safety 
 repeater for my local FD. It's going to be really simple. 
 Given the reliability factor, we're going with a Kenwood. 
 Here's the million dollar question, i need some input. How 
 about a kenwood tkr750 or a tkr740. I've run several 750s with
 great results. I have not played with the 740, but i know it 
 has an amazing receiver, but yet only pushes a few watts. 
 Any suggestions for a good amp, perhaps Cresend i think it is.
 Thanks,
 Jed

Hi Jed, 

The Kenwood TKR-750 and TKR-740 are both great Repeaters. The 
TKR-750 also has an amazing receiver. Proper setup of the receiver 
should normally include the front end pre-selector alignment 
using a special coax cable jig assembly and a tracking generator
properly configured and installed onto the PC-Board matching 
input and RF sample port/jack. 

Most people and Dealers tend to do the more casual peak for max 
signal method, which results in very usable but not the absolute 
best sensitivity and performance. I'm very much amazed how many 
repeaters we service with rather odd looking (on the test 
equipment) tweak and peak front end alignment(s). So be sure to 
ask any Dealer what and how they prepare your equipment before 
they send it to you. 

The TKR-750 is more of a self contained ready to use repeater 
with a lot of built in features. Very popular for operations 
toward the 50 watt power level. 

The TKR-740 is more of system repeater meaning... how many owners 
often use them with external Power Amplifiers and Controllers. The 
TKR-740 has much less power output and normal operation assumed by 
most people is to include an external RF Power Amplifier. 

If you need to bark higher than a 50 watt signal onto the air the 
most popular method is to include (and use) an external RF Amplifier. 

You can save quite a bit of serious money by using the same external 
amplifier configuration with a TKR-750 Repeater and a higher drive 
(input) level External Amplifier. There's nothing in stone about 
driving an external high power RF Amplifier at the 25 to 50 watt 
level compared to spending a lot more money on a low drive level 
amplifier. TPL, Cresend and TE can and will sell you higher drive 
amplifiers for much less money and you end up with pretty much the 
same end product. In the hopefully rare case where an external 
amplifier might fail, continued repeater operation at the 25-50 
watt power level is quite usable versus the very low power output 
of the 740 repeater. There can be different advantages to using 
the TKR-750 or the TKR-740 Repeater.

cheers, 
skipp 

skipp025 at yahoo.com 
www.radiowrench.com 




  

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater

2010-03-25 Thread Jed Barton
hmmm, tell me more about that one.  Is that the combination analog /
digital?
Did the tkr750 go away? 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maire-Radios
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:22 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater

  

also there is the NXR-710 that replaces the TKR-750
 
 

- Original Message - 
From: Maire-Radios mailto:maire-rad...@verizon.net  
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com  
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety
repeater

  


look at the new version of the TKR-740  the NXR-700  repeater   it
is the way to go and get the ver 2 software.
 
John
727-441-3250
 
 
 

- Original Message - 
From: skipp025 mailto:skipp...@yahoo.com  
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com  
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:37 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety
repeater

  

 Jed Barton j...@... wrote:
 Hey guys,
 Need some input here. I'm putting together a public safety

 repeater for my local FD. It's going to be really simple. 
 Given the reliability factor, we're going with a Kenwood. 
 Here's the million dollar question, i need some input. How

 about a kenwood tkr750 or a tkr740. I've run several 750s
with
 great results. I have not played with the 740, but i know
it 
 has an amazing receiver, but yet only pushes a few watts. 
 Any suggestions for a good amp, perhaps Cresend i think it
is.
 Thanks,
 Jed

Hi Jed, 

The Kenwood TKR-750 and TKR-740 are both great Repeaters.
The 
TKR-750 also has an amazing receiver. Proper setup of the
receiver 
should normally include the front end pre-selector alignment

using a special coax cable jig assembly and a tracking
generator
properly configured and installed onto the PC-Board matching

input and RF sample port/jack. 

Most people and Dealers tend to do the more casual peak for
max 
signal method, which results in very usable but not the
absolute 
best sensitivity and performance. I'm very much amazed how
many 
repeaters we service with rather odd looking (on the test 
equipment) tweak and peak front end alignment(s). So be
sure to 
ask any Dealer what and how they prepare your equipment
before 
they send it to you. 

The TKR-750 is more of a self contained ready to use
repeater 
with a lot of built in features. Very popular for operations

toward the 50 watt power level. 

The TKR-740 is more of system repeater meaning... how many
owners 
often use them with external Power Amplifiers and
Controllers. The 
TKR-740 has much less power output and normal operation
assumed by 
most people is to include an external RF Power Amplifier. 

If you need to bark higher than a 50 watt signal onto the
air the 
most popular method is to include (and use) an external RF
Amplifier. 

You can save quite a bit of serious money by using the same
external 
amplifier configuration with a TKR-750 Repeater and a higher
drive 
(input) level External Amplifier. There's nothing in stone
about 
driving an external high power RF Amplifier at the 25 to 50
watt 
level compared to spending a lot more money on a low drive
level 
amplifier. TPL, Cresend and TE can and will sell you higher
drive 
amplifiers for much less money and you end up with pretty
much the 
same end product. In the hopefully rare case where an
external 
amplifier might fail, continued repeater operation at the
25-50 
watt power level is quite usable versus the very low power
output 
of the 740 repeater. There can be different advantages to
using 
the TKR-750 or the TKR-740 Repeater.

cheers, 
skipp 

skipp025 at yahoo.com

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater

2010-03-25 Thread Larry Horlick
The digital side is Kenwood Nextedge, is it not? Does this mean that only
Kenwood mobiles can be used?

lh

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Jed Barton j...@jedbarton.com wrote:



 hmmm, tell me more about that one. Is that the combination analog /
 digital?
 Did the tkr750 go away?

 -Original Message-
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comRepeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comRepeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Maire-Radios
 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:22 AM
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater

 also there is the NXR-710 that replaces the TKR-750



 - Original Message -
 From: Maire-Radios 
 mailto:maire-rad...@verizon.netmaire-radios%40verizon.net

 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com
 mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comRepeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com

 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety
 repeater




 look at the new version of the TKR-740 the NXR-700 repeater it
 is the way to go and get the ver 2 software.

 John
 727-441-3250




 - Original Message -
 From: skipp025 mailto:skipp...@yahoo.com skipp025%40yahoo.com
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com
 mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comRepeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com

 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:37 AM
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety
 repeater



  Jed Barton j...@... wrote:
  Hey guys,
  Need some input here. I'm putting together a public safety

  repeater for my local FD. It's going to be really simple.
  Given the reliability factor, we're going with a Kenwood.
  Here's the million dollar question, i need some input. How

  about a kenwood tkr750 or a tkr740. I've run several 750s
 with
  great results. I have not played with the 740, but i know
 it
  has an amazing receiver, but yet only pushes a few watts.
  Any suggestions for a good amp, perhaps Cresend i think it
 is.
  Thanks,
  Jed

 Hi Jed,

 The Kenwood TKR-750 and TKR-740 are both great Repeaters.
 The
 TKR-750 also has an amazing receiver. Proper setup of the
 receiver
 should normally include the front end pre-selector alignment

 using a special coax cable jig assembly and a tracking
 generator
 properly configured and installed onto the PC-Board matching

 input and RF sample port/jack.

 Most people and Dealers tend to do the more casual peak for
 max
 signal method, which results in very usable but not the
 absolute
 best sensitivity and performance. I'm very much amazed how
 many
 repeaters we service with rather odd looking (on the test
 equipment) tweak and peak front end alignment(s). So be
 sure to
 ask any Dealer what and how they prepare your equipment
 before
 they send it to you.

 The TKR-750 is more of a self contained ready to use
 repeater
 with a lot of built in features. Very popular for operations

 toward the 50 watt power level.

 The TKR-740 is more of system repeater meaning... how many
 owners
 often use them with external Power Amplifiers and
 Controllers. The
 TKR-740 has much less power output and normal operation
 assumed by
 most people is to include an external RF Power Amplifier.

 If you need to bark higher than a 50 watt signal onto the
 air the
 most popular method is to include (and use) an external RF
 Amplifier.

 You can save quite a bit of serious money by using the same
 external
 amplifier configuration with a TKR-750 Repeater and a higher
 drive
 (input) level External Amplifier. There's nothing in stone
 about
 driving an external high power RF Amplifier at the 25 to 50
 watt
 level compared to spending a lot more money on a low drive
 level
 amplifier. TPL, Cresend and TE can and will sell you higher
 drive
 amplifiers for much less money and you end up with pretty
 much the
 same end product. In the hopefully rare case where an
 external
 amplifier might fail, continued repeater operation at the
 25-50
 watt power level is quite usable versus the very low power
 output
 of the 740 repeater. There can be different advantages to
 using
 the TKR-750 or the TKR-740 Repeater.

 cheers,
 skipp

 skipp025 at yahoo.com
 www.radiowrench.com





 



RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater

2010-03-25 Thread Jed Barton
Hey there,
so it sounds like the tkr750 might be the way to go.
I've heard the cresend stuff is awesome. 

-Original Message-
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of skipp025
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:38 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater

  

 Jed Barton j...@... wrote:
 Hey guys,
 Need some input here. I'm putting together a public safety repeater 
 for my local FD. It's going to be really simple.
 Given the reliability factor, we're going with a Kenwood. 
 Here's the million dollar question, i need some input. How about a 
 kenwood tkr750 or a tkr740. I've run several 750s with great results. 
 I have not played with the 740, but i know it has an amazing receiver, 
 but yet only pushes a few watts.
 Any suggestions for a good amp, perhaps Cresend i think it is.
 Thanks,
 Jed

Hi Jed, 

The Kenwood TKR-750 and TKR-740 are both great Repeaters. The TKR-750 also
has an amazing receiver. Proper setup of the receiver should normally
include the front end pre-selector alignment using a special coax cable jig
assembly and a tracking generator properly configured and installed onto the
PC-Board matching input and RF sample port/jack. 

Most people and Dealers tend to do the more casual peak for max signal
method, which results in very usable but not the absolute best sensitivity
and performance. I'm very much amazed how many repeaters we service with
rather odd looking (on the test
equipment) tweak and peak front end alignment(s). So be sure to ask any
Dealer what and how they prepare your equipment before they send it to you. 

The TKR-750 is more of a self contained ready to use repeater with a lot of
built in features. Very popular for operations toward the 50 watt power
level. 

The TKR-740 is more of system repeater meaning... how many owners often
use them with external Power Amplifiers and Controllers. The TKR-740 has
much less power output and normal operation assumed by most people is to
include an external RF Power Amplifier. 

If you need to bark higher than a 50 watt signal onto the air the most
popular method is to include (and use) an external RF Amplifier. 

You can save quite a bit of serious money by using the same external
amplifier configuration with a TKR-750 Repeater and a higher drive
(input) level External Amplifier. There's nothing in stone about driving an
external high power RF Amplifier at the 25 to 50 watt level compared to
spending a lot more money on a low drive level amplifier. TPL, Cresend and
TE can and will sell you higher drive amplifiers for much less money and you
end up with pretty much the same end product. In the hopefully rare case
where an external amplifier might fail, continued repeater operation at the
25-50 watt power level is quite usable versus the very low power output of
the 740 repeater. There can be different advantages to using the TKR-750 or
the TKR-740 Repeater.

cheers,
skipp 

skipp025 at yahoo.com
www.radiowrench.com 







RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater

2010-03-25 Thread Ken Arck
At 10:03 AM 3/25/2010, Jed Barton wrote:


Hey there,
so it sounds like the tkr750 might be the way to go.
I've heard the cresend stuff is awesome.

---Hi Jed. As you probably know, we have sold dozens and dozens of 
Kenwood TKR's. They have gone not only into ARS but many have gone 
into public safety uses and our customers just love 'em.

VERY well performing, VERY reliable and very reasonably priced. You 
can't go wrong.

Ken
--
President and CTO - Arcom Communications
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories.
http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and
we offer complete repeater packages!
AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000
http://www.irlp.net
We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater

2010-03-25 Thread Maire-Radios
750 still there but yes the new one will do both


  - Original Message - 
  From: Jed Barton 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:47 AM
  Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater



  hmmm, tell me more about that one. Is that the combination analog /
  digital?
  Did the tkr750 go away? 

  -Original Message-
  From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maire-Radios
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:22 AM
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater

  also there is the NXR-710 that replaces the TKR-750



  - Original Message - 
  From: Maire-Radios mailto:maire-rad...@verizon.net 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety
  repeater




  look at the new version of the TKR-740 the NXR-700 repeater it
  is the way to go and get the ver 2 software.

  John
  727-441-3250




  - Original Message - 
  From: skipp025 mailto:skipp...@yahoo.com 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:37 AM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety
  repeater



   Jed Barton j...@... wrote:
   Hey guys,
   Need some input here. I'm putting together a public safety

   repeater for my local FD. It's going to be really simple. 
   Given the reliability factor, we're going with a Kenwood. 
   Here's the million dollar question, i need some input. How

   about a kenwood tkr750 or a tkr740. I've run several 750s
  with
   great results. I have not played with the 740, but i know
  it 
   has an amazing receiver, but yet only pushes a few watts. 
   Any suggestions for a good amp, perhaps Cresend i think it
  is.
   Thanks,
   Jed

  Hi Jed, 

  The Kenwood TKR-750 and TKR-740 are both great Repeaters.
  The 
  TKR-750 also has an amazing receiver. Proper setup of the
  receiver 
  should normally include the front end pre-selector alignment

  using a special coax cable jig assembly and a tracking
  generator
  properly configured and installed onto the PC-Board matching

  input and RF sample port/jack. 

  Most people and Dealers tend to do the more casual peak for
  max 
  signal method, which results in very usable but not the
  absolute 
  best sensitivity and performance. I'm very much amazed how
  many 
  repeaters we service with rather odd looking (on the test 
  equipment) tweak and peak front end alignment(s). So be
  sure to 
  ask any Dealer what and how they prepare your equipment
  before 
  they send it to you. 

  The TKR-750 is more of a self contained ready to use
  repeater 
  with a lot of built in features. Very popular for operations

  toward the 50 watt power level. 

  The TKR-740 is more of system repeater meaning... how many
  owners 
  often use them with external Power Amplifiers and
  Controllers. The 
  TKR-740 has much less power output and normal operation
  assumed by 
  most people is to include an external RF Power Amplifier. 

  If you need to bark higher than a 50 watt signal onto the
  air the 
  most popular method is to include (and use) an external RF
  Amplifier. 

  You can save quite a bit of serious money by using the same
  external 
  amplifier configuration with a TKR-750 Repeater and a higher
  drive 
  (input) level External Amplifier. There's nothing in stone
  about 
  driving an external high power RF Amplifier at the 25 to 50
  watt 
  level compared to spending a lot more money on a low drive
  level 
  amplifier. TPL, Cresend and TE can and will sell you higher
  drive 
  amplifiers for much less money and you end up with pretty
  much the 
  same end product. In the hopefully rare case where an
  external 
  amplifier might fail, continued repeater operation at the
  25-50 
  watt power level is quite usable versus the very low power
  output 
  of the 740 repeater. There can be different advantages to
  using 
  the TKR-750 or the TKR-740 Repeater.

  cheers, 
  skipp 

  skipp025 at yahoo.com 
  www.radiowrench.com 







  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater

2010-03-25 Thread Maire-Radios
Cresend  yes very good  we use a lot of it.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Jed Barton 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:03 PM
  Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater



  Hey there,
  so it sounds like the tkr750 might be the way to go.
  I've heard the cresend stuff is awesome. 

  -Original Message-
  From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of skipp025
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:38 AM
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater

   Jed Barton j...@... wrote:
   Hey guys,
   Need some input here. I'm putting together a public safety repeater 
   for my local FD. It's going to be really simple.
   Given the reliability factor, we're going with a Kenwood. 
   Here's the million dollar question, i need some input. How about a 
   kenwood tkr750 or a tkr740. I've run several 750s with great results. 
   I have not played with the 740, but i know it has an amazing receiver, 
   but yet only pushes a few watts.
   Any suggestions for a good amp, perhaps Cresend i think it is.
   Thanks,
   Jed

  Hi Jed, 

  The Kenwood TKR-750 and TKR-740 are both great Repeaters. The TKR-750 also
  has an amazing receiver. Proper setup of the receiver should normally
  include the front end pre-selector alignment using a special coax cable jig
  assembly and a tracking generator properly configured and installed onto the
  PC-Board matching input and RF sample port/jack. 

  Most people and Dealers tend to do the more casual peak for max signal
  method, which results in very usable but not the absolute best sensitivity
  and performance. I'm very much amazed how many repeaters we service with
  rather odd looking (on the test
  equipment) tweak and peak front end alignment(s). So be sure to ask any
  Dealer what and how they prepare your equipment before they send it to you. 

  The TKR-750 is more of a self contained ready to use repeater with a lot of
  built in features. Very popular for operations toward the 50 watt power
  level. 

  The TKR-740 is more of system repeater meaning... how many owners often
  use them with external Power Amplifiers and Controllers. The TKR-740 has
  much less power output and normal operation assumed by most people is to
  include an external RF Power Amplifier. 

  If you need to bark higher than a 50 watt signal onto the air the most
  popular method is to include (and use) an external RF Amplifier. 

  You can save quite a bit of serious money by using the same external
  amplifier configuration with a TKR-750 Repeater and a higher drive
  (input) level External Amplifier. There's nothing in stone about driving an
  external high power RF Amplifier at the 25 to 50 watt level compared to
  spending a lot more money on a low drive level amplifier. TPL, Cresend and
  TE can and will sell you higher drive amplifiers for much less money and you
  end up with pretty much the same end product. In the hopefully rare case
  where an external amplifier might fail, continued repeater operation at the
  25-50 watt power level is quite usable versus the very low power output of
  the 740 repeater. There can be different advantages to using the TKR-750 or
  the TKR-740 Repeater.

  cheers,
  skipp 

  skipp025 at yahoo.com
  www.radiowrench.com 



  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater

2010-03-25 Thread Maire-Radios
I know Kenwood, Icom and Motorola on a open format.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Larry Horlick 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater




  The digital side is Kenwood Nextedge, is it not? Does this mean that only 
Kenwood mobiles can be used?

  lh


  On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Jed Barton j...@jedbarton.com wrote:

  
hmmm, tell me more about that one. Is that the combination analog /
digital?
Did the tkr750 go away? 

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also there is the NXR-710 that replaces the TKR-750



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look at the new version of the TKR-740 the NXR-700 repeater it
is the way to go and get the ver 2 software.

John
727-441-3250




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 Jed Barton j...@... wrote:
 Hey guys,
 Need some input here. I'm putting together a public safety

 repeater for my local FD. It's going to be really simple. 
 Given the reliability factor, we're going with a Kenwood. 
 Here's the million dollar question, i need some input. How

 about a kenwood tkr750 or a tkr740. I've run several 750s
with
 great results. I have not played with the 740, but i know
it 
 has an amazing receiver, but yet only pushes a few watts. 
 Any suggestions for a good amp, perhaps Cresend i think it
is.
 Thanks,
 Jed

Hi Jed, 

The Kenwood TKR-750 and TKR-740 are both great Repeaters.
The 
TKR-750 also has an amazing receiver. Proper setup of the
receiver 
should normally include the front end pre-selector alignment

using a special coax cable jig assembly and a tracking
generator
properly configured and installed onto the PC-Board matching

input and RF sample port/jack. 

Most people and Dealers tend to do the more casual peak for
max 
signal method, which results in very usable but not the
absolute 
best sensitivity and performance. I'm very much amazed how
many 
repeaters we service with rather odd looking (on the test 
equipment) tweak and peak front end alignment(s). So be
sure to 
ask any Dealer what and how they prepare your equipment
before 
they send it to you. 

The TKR-750 is more of a self contained ready to use
repeater 
with a lot of built in features. Very popular for operations

toward the 50 watt power level. 

The TKR-740 is more of system repeater meaning... how many
owners 
often use them with external Power Amplifiers and
Controllers. The 
TKR-740 has much less power output and normal operation
assumed by 
most people is to include an external RF Power Amplifier. 

If you need to bark higher than a 50 watt signal onto the
air the 
most popular method is to include (and use) an external RF
Amplifier. 

You can save quite a bit of serious money by using the same
external 
amplifier configuration with a TKR-750 Repeater and a higher
drive 
(input) level External Amplifier. There's nothing in stone
about 
driving an external high power RF Amplifier at the 25 to 50
watt 
level compared to spending a lot more money on a low drive
level 
amplifier. TPL, Cresend and TE can and will sell you higher
drive 
amplifiers for much less money and you end up with pretty
much the 
same end product. In the hopefully rare case where an
external 
amplifier might fail, continued repeater operation at the
25-50 
watt power level is quite usable versus the very low power
output 
of the 740 repeater. There can be different advantages to
using 
the TKR-750 or the TKR-740 Repeater.

cheers, 
skipp 

skipp025 at yahoo.com 
www.radiowrench.com 










  

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: opinions for a public safety repeater

2010-03-25 Thread Mark
Jed,

 

I use a 150W Crescend PA on my 444.5500 Amateur machine with very good
results.  It fried something about a year after we put it in service, and I
took it back to Crescend.  They repaired it under warranty for us.

 

It's been back in service now for over 2 years with no issues.

 

Mark - N9WYS

 

- Original Message - 

From: Jed Barton

Hey there,
so it sounds like the tkr750 might be the way to go.
I've heard the cresend stuff is awesome.