Re: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters
I'm not even sure I can program all of Motorola's products with the two laptops I carry now (one old, one new) because I think you really need DOS, Win2000 and WinXP to do the entire line. The root of the problem is that the software engineers won't properly implement their code to use the com port via the operating system. They should. You might want to try out Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 - with 2000/XP you can boot *any* OS and run the software you want - with need for drivers even. I can boot a FreeBSD, Win2K server, Win2003 Server, Linux, DOS 6.2, and anything else I can load on only one PC. A complete lab has been replaced by one machine with Virtual PC. Should save some hoisting for you. I know it did for me. I believe they still have a free download trial so you have nothing to lose. Mind you, it won't create a serial port for you but a real USB serial and Virtual PC should work fine. 73 Bill N4BKT Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters
John Place wrote: Has anyone have an alternate solution to Yaesu's configuration program for those of us that have no serial ports, just usb to serial? Yaesu said that their program will work in dos only and have no intensions of changing. So much for recommending their repeaters any more. Have a nice new laptop that will not communicate. My recommendation? How about no longer recommending a laptop that doesn't have a real serial port? You're not too likely to find much of anything that will work with USB. It doesn't have the control lines needed. USB has it's uses, but programming radios is not one of them. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters
At 08:28 PM 10/27/04, you wrote: Has anyone have an alternate solution to Yaesu's configuration program for those of us that have no serial ports, just usb to serial? Yaesu said that their program will work in dos only and have no intensions of changing. So much for recommending their repeaters any more. Have a nice new laptop that will not communicate. Plug a PCMCIA serial port card into the laptop... IMPORTANT - make sure that the seller states that it works under DOS before you buy, and make sure that you can return it if it does not. Here's a second hand one from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/o/redirect?tag=amd-google-20path=tg/detail/-/BAZK2X/ref=pd_sl_aw_alx-jeb-9-1_ce_4713688_1 Or if you want one that is new http://www.synchrotech.com/products/serial.html Another is at http://www.teampctechnology.com and look for the model number TS-C-COM232 These guys occasionally have them used, and when they do they are _really_ cheap. Go to http://www.pcliquidators.com and plug pcmcia into the search box. But there is no warranty and no return. I use these guys all the time for SCSI cables. Mike WA6ILQ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters
Mike, I hate to say but go get your self a cheep 50.00 laptop and use it to program. They may already have the new windows software out so ask them, you may be suppressed. Oregon Repeater Linking Group Mike Mullarkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.orlg.org -Original Message- From: Mike WA6ILQ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:47 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters At 08:28 PM 10/27/04, you wrote: Has anyone have an alternate solution to Yaesu's configuration program for those of us that have no serial ports, just usb to serial? Yaesu said that their program will work in dos only and have no intensions of changing. So much for recommending their repeaters any more. Have a nice new laptop that will not communicate. Plug a PCMCIA serial port card into the laptop... IMPORTANT - make sure that the seller states that it works under DOS before you buy, and make sure that you can return it if it does not. Here's a second hand one from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/o/redirect?tag=amd-google-20path=tg/detail/-/BAZ K2X/ref=pd_sl_aw_alx-jeb-9-1_ce_4713688_1 Or if you want one that is new http://www.synchrotech.com/products/serial.html Another is at http://www.teampctechnology.com and look for the model number TS-C-COM232 These guys occasionally have them used, and when they do they are _really_ cheap. Go to http://www.pcliquidators.com and plug pcmcia into the search box. But there is no warranty and no return. I use these guys all the time for SCSI cables. Mike WA6ILQ Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters
Even though I'm no longer in the Biz, I still keep 3 old laptops around just for the dos programs ect. The last one I bought at a Ham club auction for $5.00. Battery was shot and no power supply, but cobbled a supply together for nothing with parts on hand. Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Un-Retired Administrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org K2/100 S#3075 KX1 S# 57 Member: ARRL, RSGB, RCA, WERA and ORC -Original Message- From: Maire Company [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:52 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters I would think anyone in radio service would have a computer or two or four, with a serial port. just to run about 80% of the programs we need one. - Original Message - From: Mike Mullarkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters Mike, I hate to say but go get your self a cheep 50.00 laptop and use it to program. They may already have the new windows software out so ask them, you may be suppressed. Oregon Repeater Linking Group Mike Mullarkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.orlg.org -Original Message- From: Mike WA6ILQ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:47 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters At 08:28 PM 10/27/04, you wrote: Has anyone have an alternate solution to Yaesu's configuration program for those of us that have no serial ports, just usb to serial? Yaesu said that their program will work in dos only and have no intensions of changing. So much for recommending their repeaters any more. Have a nice new laptop that will not communicate. Plug a PCMCIA serial port card into the laptop... IMPORTANT - make sure that the seller states that it works under DOS before you buy, and make sure that you can return it if it does not. Here's a second hand one from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/o/redirect?tag=amd-google-20path=tg/detail/-/BAZ K2X/ref=pd_sl_aw_alx-jeb-9-1_ce_4713688_1 Or if you want one that is new http://www.synchrotech.com/products/serial.html Another is at http://www.teampctechnology.com and look for the model number TS-C-COM232 These guys occasionally have them used, and when they do they are _really_ cheap. Go to http://www.pcliquidators.com and plug pcmcia into the search box. But there is no warranty and no return. I use these guys all the time for SCSI cables. Mike WA6ILQ Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters
I would think anyone in radio service would have a computer or two or four, with a serial port. just to run about 80% of the programs we need one. - Original Message - From: Mike Mullarkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters Mike, I hate to say but go get your self a cheep 50.00 laptop and use it to program. They may already have the new windows software out so ask them, you may be suppressed. Oregon Repeater Linking Group Mike Mullarkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.orlg.org -Original Message- From: Mike WA6ILQ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:47 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters At 08:28 PM 10/27/04, you wrote: Has anyone have an alternate solution to Yaesu's configuration program for those of us that have no serial ports, just usb to serial? Yaesu said that their program will work in dos only and have no intensions of changing. So much for recommending their repeaters any more. Have a nice new laptop that will not communicate. Plug a PCMCIA serial port card into the laptop... IMPORTANT - make sure that the seller states that it works under DOS before you buy, and make sure that you can return it if it does not. Here's a second hand one from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/o/redirect?tag=amd-google-20path=tg/detail/-/BAZ K2X/ref=pd_sl_aw_alx-jeb-9-1_ce_4713688_1 Or if you want one that is new http://www.synchrotech.com/products/serial.html Another is at http://www.teampctechnology.com and look for the model number TS-C-COM232 These guys occasionally have them used, and when they do they are _really_ cheap. Go to http://www.pcliquidators.com and plug pcmcia into the search box. But there is no warranty and no return. I use these guys all the time for SCSI cables. Mike WA6ILQ Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters
DOS is more reliable and easier to set up. And it's simple. I'll commend any manufacturer for sticking to the K.I.S.S principle. An old computer with a serial and a boot disk is all you need. (don't even need a hard drive) John Clark WCTV 6 Television Engineering (850) 893- EXT 205 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: W9DHI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters Even though I'm no longer in the Biz, I still keep 3 old laptops around just for the dos programs ect. The last one I bought at a Ham club auction for $5.00. Battery was shot and no power supply, but cobbled a supply together for nothing with parts on hand. Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Un-Retired Administrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org K2/100 S#3075 KX1 S# 57 Member: ARRL, RSGB, RCA, WERA and ORC -Original Message- From: Maire Company [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:52 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters I would think anyone in radio service would have a computer or two or four, with a serial port. just to run about 80% of the programs we need one. - Original Message - From: Mike Mullarkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters Mike, I hate to say but go get your self a cheep 50.00 laptop and use it to program. They may already have the new windows software out so ask them, you may be suppressed. Oregon Repeater Linking Group Mike Mullarkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.orlg.org -Original Message- From: Mike WA6ILQ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:47 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters At 08:28 PM 10/27/04, you wrote: Has anyone have an alternate solution to Yaesu's configuration program for those of us that have no serial ports, just usb to serial? Yaesu said that their program will work in dos only and have no intensions of changing. So much for recommending their repeaters any more. Have a nice new laptop that will not communicate. Plug a PCMCIA serial port card into the laptop... IMPORTANT - make sure that the seller states that it works under DOS before you buy, and make sure that you can return it if it does not. Here's a second hand one from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/o/redirect?tag=amd-google-20path=tg/detail/-/BAZ K2X/ref=pd_sl_aw_alx-jeb-9-1_ce_4713688_1 Or if you want one that is new http://www.synchrotech.com/products/serial.html Another is at http://www.teampctechnology.com and look for the model number TS-C-COM232 These guys occasionally have them used, and when they do they are _really_ cheap. Go to http://www.pcliquidators.com and plug pcmcia into the search box. But there is no warranty and no return. I use these guys all the time for SCSI cables. Mike WA6ILQ Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters
Reminds me of something I learned while working in the Fire Service: '100 years of tradition unhampered by progress' was what I was told when I questioned things such as why we used hose fittings that took 8 revolutions to fully connect when there were 1/4 turn couplings available. As one who works in the field daily with probably 50 or programmable systems including telephone systems, voice mail, telemetry, two way radio, Programmable Logic Controllers, etc. I truly wish the manufacturers (engineers) would get their act together. A few have done some nice work, Nortel for example gives me a voice mail with a serial port for terminal startup and an Ethernet jack for heavy duty programming. Cisco did this with their access points, Esteem did this with their telemetry radios, it isn't rocket science, it is good engineering. Marketing new equipment that requires outdated hardware and an outdated OS to program it is just wrong. I'm not even sure I can program all of Motorola's products with the two laptops I carry now (one old, one new) because I think you really need DOS, Win2000 and WinXP to do the entire line. The root of the problem is that the software engineers won't properly implement their code to use the com port via the operating system. They should. If you seriously think manufacturers should be marketing new equipment that requires DOS for programming, you must agree with Bill Gates when he said that no one needed more than 640k of RAM. Daron J. Wilson, RCDD ) ) Telecom Manager ( ( LH Morris Electric, Inc. ) ) (541) 265-8067 office _|| mmm! (541) 265-7652 fax ( || coffee! (541) 270-5886 cellular \|| [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| -Original Message- From: KI4AWK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:59 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters DOS is more reliable and easier to set up. And it's simple. I'll commend any manufacturer for sticking to the K.I.S.S principle. An old computer with a serial and a boot disk is all you need. (don't even need a hard drive) John Clark WCTV 6 Television Engineering (850) 893- EXT 205 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: W9DHI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters Even though I'm no longer in the Biz, I still keep 3 old laptops around just for the dos programs ect. The last one I bought at a Ham club auction for $5.00. Battery was shot and no power supply, but cobbled a supply together for nothing with parts on hand. Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Un-Retired Administrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org K2/100 S#3075 KX1 S# 57 Member: ARRL, RSGB, RCA, WERA and ORC -Original Message- From: Maire Company [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:52 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters I would think anyone in radio service would have a computer or two or four, with a serial port. just to run about 80% of the programs we need one. - Original Message - From: Mike Mullarkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters Mike, I hate to say but go get your self a cheep 50.00 laptop and use it to program. They may already have the new windows software out so ask them, you may be suppressed. Oregon Repeater Linking Group Mike Mullarkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.orlg.org -Original Message- From: Mike WA6ILQ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:47 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] vertex repeaters At 08:28 PM 10/27/04, you wrote: Has anyone have an alternate solution to Yaesu's configuration program for those of us that have no serial ports, just usb to serial? Yaesu said that their program will work in dos only and have no intensions of changing. So much for recommending their repeaters any more. Have a nice new laptop that will not communicate. Plug a PCMCIA serial port card into the laptop... IMPORTANT - make sure that the seller states that it works under DOS before you buy, and make sure that you can return it if it does not. Here's a second hand one from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/o/redirect?tag=amd-google-20path=tg/detail/-/B00 00AZ K2X/ref=pd_sl_aw_alx-jeb-9-1_ce_4713688_1 Or if you want one that is new http://www.synchrotech.com/products/serial.html Another is at http://www.teampctechnology.com and look for the model number TS-C-COM232 These guys occasionally have them used, and when
