RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related
The simplex system is not working hence the reason they need a repeater. I got the fcc form filled out to get a vhf pair in the area for them so we will see. The system was abandoned by the former shop as they went out of business so its just me now for the system to get them up and running. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 3/13/08 9:20 AM Subject: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related Maybe it is not too late to "turn down" the contract. Did you really think you would be able to get them licensed to a VHF pair, or were they not totally upfront about what they had and wanted. You can't control what the FCC allows. You could just make a go of it with a simplex system. Michael -Original Message- From: "Peter Dakota Summerhawk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:16:05 To: Subject: RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related I have seen the license for the UHF pair that they have but the hotel is not interested in purchasing new equipment for the current system of VHF radios was just bought last year. I got stuck with this project of getting a repeater pair and programming the radios. If I would have known the system was so jacked I would have turned down the contract. Peter Dakota Summerhawk
Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related
Maybe it is not too late to "turn down" the contract. Did you really think you would be able to get them licensed to a VHF pair, or were they not totally upfront about what they had and wanted. You can't control what the FCC allows. You could just make a go of it with a simplex system. Michael -Original Message- From: "Peter Dakota Summerhawk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:16:05 To: Subject: RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related I have seen the license for the UHF pair that they have but the hotel is not interested in purchasing new equipment for the current system of VHF radios was just bought last year. I got stuck with this project of getting a repeater pair and programming the radios. If I would have known the system was so jacked I would have turned down the contract. Peter Dakota Summerhawk -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7:56 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related Peter, What type HTs do they have. One does not see HTs with mWs except for PRS, the small cheap radios in the 462 range. So their HTs might have power, 2-4 W, to cover the grounds. As you proably know the UHF would get out of holes (hotel walls, etc) better, but guess not an option. Covering the 50 acres is no problem, covering from inside rooms/hallways, etc can be. I would try for a remoted base with roof antenna. This will not improve HT-HT coverage, would give someone better coverage which is probably important...if the management can talk this often determines if the system is working. Few listen to the people who actually do the work...way it is. Another solution would be a repeater, low power, 10 W. Mot has some very good GR300 using couple of their Radius line rigs mounted in a box. Since commerical would require 2 freq and if 5 MHz apart could use mobile type duplexer. All fits in a small 10w x 10d x 12h or so including power supply. The HTs would probably need to be reprogrammed and the proper license obtained. 73, ron, n9ee/r >From: Peter Dakota Summerhawk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: 2008/03/08 Sat AM 09:18:11 CST >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related > > >Thehotel that I am contracted for has just spent $50 million for a renovation buthas already bought new VHF radios, believe mw when I suggested that they go toUHF they balked at the idea of having to buy new radios as part of therenovation was the new handhelds sold to them by a different company in townthat assured them that the new radios would cover the 50 some odd acres ofproperty that they own. So its up to me now to get thethings in order to get a system that works for the least money. >Go figure. > >Peter Dakota Summerhawk > >-Original Message- >From:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G Shaw >Sent: Saturday, March 08, 20085:55 AM >To:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder]Need some help-Commercial related > >You will find as I have that the FCC will not permit aVHF highband repeater with a non-govt lic. such as business orindustrial. IB etc. >You may be able to bootleg it but you will rcv a ceaseand desist from the FCC when they become aware of it. The Coordinatorssuch as NABER will just reject it. If you need a repeater you will haveto consider a narror band UHF application. If you decide to stickwith high band then simplex would be the route to go. >Glenn >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Of Milt >Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:48AM >To:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needsome help-Commercial related >The simple answer to your question is the pair thatgives the most seperation. There are many more things to take intoconsideration. This is where a firm that is familure with the ins andouts of commercial licensing is invaluable. While the 151.835 may bemodified for a FB2 and paired with 157.695, the coordinating agency may or maynot grant coordination. > >Another thing to consider is thatwhile you can sell this customer a cheap older repeater, the TK-720 is not approvedfor narrowband operation IIRC. Even if the current license allows +/-5Khz deviation a new grant or modification will most likely require +/- 2.5 Khzdeviation. Since the deadline for conversion to narrowband is 2013 (5years away) one should give serious consideration to how upgrading will takeplace. > >- Original Message - >From: Peter Dakota Summerhawk <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Repea
RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related
I have seen the license for the UHF pair that they have but the hotel is not interested in purchasing new equipment for the current system of VHF radios was just bought last year. I got stuck with this project of getting a repeater pair and programming the radios. If I would have known the system was so jacked I would have turned down the contract. Peter Dakota Summerhawk -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7:56 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related Peter, What type HTs do they have. One does not see HTs with mWs except for PRS, the small cheap radios in the 462 range. So their HTs might have power, 2-4 W, to cover the grounds. As you proably know the UHF would get out of holes (hotel walls, etc) better, but guess not an option. Covering the 50 acres is no problem, covering from inside rooms/hallways, etc can be. I would try for a remoted base with roof antenna. This will not improve HT-HT coverage, would give someone better coverage which is probably important...if the management can talk this often determines if the system is working. Few listen to the people who actually do the work...way it is. Another solution would be a repeater, low power, 10 W. Mot has some very good GR300 using couple of their Radius line rigs mounted in a box. Since commerical would require 2 freq and if 5 MHz apart could use mobile type duplexer. All fits in a small 10w x 10d x 12h or so including power supply. The HTs would probably need to be reprogrammed and the proper license obtained. 73, ron, n9ee/r >From: Peter Dakota Summerhawk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: 2008/03/08 Sat AM 09:18:11 CST >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related > > >Thehotel that I am contracted for has just spent $50 million for a renovation buthas already bought new VHF radios, believe mw when I suggested that they go toUHF they balked at the idea of having to buy new radios as part of therenovation was the new handhelds sold to them by a different company in townthat assured them that the new radios would cover the 50 some odd acres ofproperty that they own. So its up to me now to get thethings in order to get a system that works for the least money. >Go figure. > >Peter Dakota Summerhawk > >-Original Message- >From:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G Shaw >Sent: Saturday, March 08, 20085:55 AM >To:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder]Need some help-Commercial related > >You will find as I have that the FCC will not permit aVHF highband repeater with a non-govt lic. such as business orindustrial. IB etc. >You may be able to bootleg it but you will rcv a ceaseand desist from the FCC when they become aware of it. The Coordinatorssuch as NABER will just reject it. If you need a repeater you will haveto consider a narror band UHF application. If you decide to stickwith high band then simplex would be the route to go. >Glenn >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Of Milt >Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:48AM >To:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Needsome help-Commercial related >The simple answer to your question is the pair thatgives the most seperation. There are many more things to take intoconsideration. This is where a firm that is familure with the ins andouts of commercial licensing is invaluable. While the 151.835 may bemodified for a FB2 and paired with 157.695, the coordinating agency may or maynot grant coordination. > >Another thing to consider is thatwhile you can sell this customer a cheap older repeater, the TK-720 is not approvedfor narrowband operation IIRC. Even if the current license allows +/-5Khz deviation a new grant or modification will most likely require +/- 2.5 Khzdeviation. Since the deadline for conversion to narrowband is 2013 (5years away) one should give serious consideration to how upgrading will takeplace. > >- Original Message - >From: Peter Dakota Summerhawk <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 11:37 AM >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help-Commercial related >I have to put in a repeater for a hotel.I have a Kenwood TKR-720 repeater and the frequencies I have for the currentlicense are as follows: >151.835 >152.435 >157.695 >157.575 >My question is, what pair is going to be good for this repeater? I haveto get a working system up and running but need to figu
