Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wide Area Coverage
I did try it with Echolink, Bob!! It worked very well to find nodes in a specified area using this link on the Echolink web site: http://www.echolink.org/links.asp -- Original Message -- Received: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:32:14 PM CST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wide Area Coverage At 11/20/2007 00:49, you wrote: I find basically the same problem with eQSO, WIRES, and IRLP. I can't speak for eQSO or WIRES, but there really is no comparison between IRLP Echolink when it comes to locating nodes. IRLP has a very nice set of web-based utilities that, for example, let you find all nodes within a specified radius. Try that with Echolink. Bob NO6B -- Original Message -- Received: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:03:44 AM CST From: mailto:no6b%40no6b.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] SNIP I personally find Echolink totally useless while on travel. Too hard to find nodes because the locations aren't properly cataloged. Bob NO6B
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wide Area Coverage
From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/11/19 Mon AM 03:30:02 CST To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wide Area Coverage In the past Dave (VE7LTD) was completely unwilling to allow PC users from accessing a repeater. Has this changed? Because of Dave's original actions, I have always avoided IRLP and used Echolink and eQSO. I use Echolink because IRLP was so picky about conversation content. Ham Radio topics only. We talk a lot more than just Ham Radio related topics. And for now, only an Icom D-Star radio can connect to a D-Star repeater (yes, I know about the dongle, but it's not commercially available yet nor easily replicated), while any rig with a touchtone pad can dial up an IRLP link. Heck, who needs DTMF when you have a PC with SSH? :-) It is hard to access IRLP or Echolink node with a PC in the mobile. Echolink allows repeater/radio to echolink access with DTMF from the radio side. Just DTMF the node number when the repeater is connected. D-Star is a different type of modulation mode. This is my interest. Having a dedicated data link to other such systems is also a very positive direction. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wide Area Coverage
Mark, Sounds as if these valley users are talking to a Motorola salesman. They promise 100% coverage. Of course once the system is in the truth comes out, hi. 73, ron, n9ee/r ps I like Mot gear, just not their sales. Have uncle who is retired VP of sales of a company. He always noted that sales is 1/2 about the product and 1/2 BS (not the degree). His sales record showed he knew what he was talking about, hi. From: n9wys [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/11/18 Sun PM 09:46:48 CST To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wide Area Coverage Iâve got RM and used it for the pastseveral years. Quite a learning curve with it, but for a free piece ofsoftware it is very comprehensive and has served me very well! Unfortunately, I need to attach thecoverage plots to a 2x4 so I can whack some of my users up-side the head withit in order to get the point across. They just donât understand whythey canât hear the repeater when theyâre down in a river valley 25+miles from the repeater and thereâs a ridge of land that rises above themin between the repeater and their location. Iâve tried to explainabout being in âthe shadow of the repeaterâ but some just donâtseem to grasp the concept. (Weâre talking UHF freqs here and FLATlands for the most part. The repeater antenna is 175 ft HAAT at the towersiteâ¦) ARRRGH!!! Mark â N9WYS From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of John Barrett Propagation L something Iâmlearned a lot about this last couple of weeks â neat app called RadioMobile Iâve been using to map out theoretical coverage at variouslocations where I may be asked to drop my portable repeaterâ¦. Makes me wishI had held out for a 60-75ft 3 section crank up to put on my trailer, or areally tall hill to park on J Unfortunately â not a lotta hills around this part of Texas L Radio Mobileuses USGS topographical data and can do map overlays from several free sourcesâ check it out if you want to get some ideas where your setup will haveproblems !! From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of n9wys No, the complaints start when they canât hear/access themachine everywhere with a full quieting signal⦠Itâs amazingthat some amateur licensees still donât understand signal propagation. frown But now Iâm starting to get WAY off-topic⦠73 de Mark â N9WYS From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill I kinda agree. Get used to the infrastructuresystems and you canât make a contact when it goes down, thatâs whenthe complaining starts. i.e. cellphones and isp problems. Heck thatâswhen real amateur radio can shine! Heck, the complaints start even when âtherepeaterâ craps out. William A. Collister N7MOG Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wide Area Coverage
At 11/19/2007 06:50, you wrote: Our local IRLP systems would be repeatedly disconnected by IRLP sysops when non-related subjects came up. And these subjects were not controversial, but more like how the beach was that day. It was discouraging. Chances are you were connected to a reflector channel that was topic-specific. For example 9255 is used specifically for balloon flights discussions. I personally find Echolink totally useless while on travel. Too hard to find nodes because the locations aren't properly cataloged. Bob NO6B
RE: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wide Area Coverage
No, Ron. I think it's more a factor of the instant gratification generation. If it doesnt work perfectly - each time, every time - it's no good. Cell phone technology has spoiled at lot of people out there - until cellular went all-digital. (Read: dropped calls and under water signals) Ah yes, the fun of repeater ownership/operation. sigh Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Ron Wright Mark, Sounds as if these valley users are talking to a Motorola salesman. They promise 100% coverage. Of course once the system is in the truth comes out, hi. 73, ron, n9ee/r ps I like Mot gear, just not their sales. Have uncle who is retired VP of sales of a company. He always noted that sales is 1/2 about the product and 1/2 BS (not the degree). His sales record showed he knew what he was talking about, hi. From: n9wys [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/11/18 Sun PM 09:46:48 CST To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Wide Area Coverage Iâve got RM and used it for the pastseveral years. Quite a learning curve with it, but for a free piece ofsoftware it is very comprehensive and has served me very well! Unfortunately, I need to attach thecoverage plots to a 2x4 so I can whack some of my users up-side the head withit in order to get the point across. They just donât understand whythey canât hear the repeater when theyâre down in a river valley 25+miles from the repeater and thereâs a ridge of land that rises above themin between the repeater and their location. Iâve tried to explainabout being in âthe shadow of the repeaterâ but some just donâtseem to grasp the concept. (Weâre talking UHF freqs here and FLATlands for the most part. The repeater antenna is 175 ft HAAT at the towersiteâ¦) ARRRGH!!! Mark â N9WYS From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of John Barrett Propagation L something Iâmlearned a lot about this last couple of weeks â neat app called RadioMobile Iâve been using to map out theoretical coverage at variouslocations where I may be asked to drop my portable repeaterâ¦. Makes me wishI had held out for a 60-75ft 3 section crank up to put on my trailer, or areally tall hill to park on J Unfortunately â not a lotta hills around this part of Texas L Radio Mobileuses USGS topographical data and can do map overlays from several free sourcesâ check it out if you want to get some ideas where your setup will haveproblems !! From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of n9wys No, the complaints start when they canât hear/access themachine everywhere with a full quieting signal⦠Itâs amazingthat some amateur licensees still donât understand signal propagation. frown But now Iâm starting to get WAY off-topic⦠73 de Mark â N9WYS From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill I kinda agree. Get used to the infrastructuresystems and you canât make a contact when it goes down, thatâs whenthe complaining starts. i.e. cellphones and isp problems. Heck thatâswhen real amateur radio can shine! Heck, the complaints start even when âtherepeaterâ craps out. William A. Collister N7MOG Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. Yahoo! Groups Links
