Re: [possible spam] Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

2009-05-25 Thread NORM KNAPP
Update to noise in repeater.
One of the other 2 repeaters on the tower has been keyed up a good bit off and 
on with no modulation, ie someone sitting on a mic or something, but no 
modulation heard.
While this other repeater is up and someone brings the noisy repeter up, the 
noise happens. I have yet to hear the noise without the second repeater 
transmitting. I am starting to see a pattern here and will investigate further.
Thanks for all the input and keep it coming.
N5NPO
Norm

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Sent: Sun May 24 23:25:44 2009
Subject: [possible spam]  Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater



Does this repeater have a digital audio delay in it? It could be 
getting into ITSELF...

Output to input PIM or other sources like that with a digital audio 
delay, will sound like that... a hollow echo chamber, often with any 
tones or low level noises really amplified... like stage PA system to 
mic feedback loops.

Nate WY0X

On May 24, 2009, at 4:00 PM, NORM KNAPP wrote:

 Well. The tunnel thing is a better desciption. There is kind of a 
 heterodyning effect to the sound. Like a drain pipe hollow sound. 
 Good desciption.

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 You could do a frequency search and see if you could find a user on 
 the
 reverse pair. However, I've never heard it sound like a steam 
 whistle - the
 description of howling in a tunnel (or drain pipe) is what I've 
 heard when
 reverse pair repeaters lock up. And they can stay locked up until 
 one times
 out.

 Chuck
 WB2EDV

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 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

 Now that is more likely. They have a really weird splinter 
 frequency and a
 DPL code. That is still very possible. There has been a good bit of
 ducting lately. Thanks, I will start listening to the repeater input.

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 Norman, we had a similar situation many years ago with a Ham 
 repeater that
 would
 lock up with a distant repeater using the reverse pair 
 frequencies ! It
 was
 a sound like
 a hollow tunnel howling and growling.happened during periods of
 inversion.

 John VE3AMZ

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 Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:12 PM
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

 Got a VHF repeater in my area. In the last several weeks it has 
 started
 making a noise like that of a steam whistle. It doesn't do it all 
 the
 time. It seems random. I have not been able to make any 
 connections yet
 with regular occurances. It doesn't do it until someone talks 
 through the
 repeater and the unkeys. The noise keeps the repeater up for a 
 couple of
 seconds to neary a minute. The repeater is a 100watt MTR2000. I 
 don't
 remember the duplexer type/model/brand. It doesn't seem to do it 
 during
 the day, it seems more prevelant in the evening and mornings.
 Any ideas?
 N5NPO
 Norman Knapp


 



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

2009-05-24 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Could be someone playing games with the users.

Chuck
WB2EDV


- Original Message - 
From: NORM KNAPP nkn...@twowayradio.net
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:12 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater


 Got a VHF repeater in my area. In the last several weeks it has started 
 making a noise like that of a steam whistle. 



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

2009-05-24 Thread NORM KNAPP
No, I don't think it is malicious or deliberate. It is almost as if the 
repeater is getting into itself. It is not a ham repeater, it is a local 
Sheriffs dept. 

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Sent: Sun May 24 16:03:48 2009
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater



Could be someone playing games with the users.

Chuck
WB2EDV

- Original Message - 
From: NORM KNAPP nkn...@twowayradio.net mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:12 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

 Got a VHF repeater in my area. In the last several weeks it has started 
 making a noise like that of a steam whistle. 






Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

2009-05-24 Thread Chuck Kelsey
A few years back the exact same thing was happening here on a VHF simplex 
Sheriff system. Solution? Take the toy train whistle away from the deputy. 
I'm not kidding.

Chuck
WB2EDV


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From: NORM KNAPP nkn...@twowayradio.net
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater


 No, I don't think it is malicious or deliberate. It is almost as if the 
 repeater is getting into itself. It is not a ham repeater, it is a local 
 Sheriffs dept.

 - Original Message -
 From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sun May 24 16:03:48 2009
 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater



 Could be someone playing games with the users.

 Chuck
 WB2EDV

 - Original Message - 
 From: NORM KNAPP nkn...@twowayradio.net 
 mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net 
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
 mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:12 PM
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

 Got a VHF repeater in my area. In the last several weeks it has started
 making a noise like that of a steam whistle.



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

2009-05-24 Thread John J. Riddell
Norman, we had a similar situation many years ago with a Ham repeater that 
would
lock up with a distant repeater using the reverse pair frequencies ! It was 
a sound like
a hollow tunnel howling and growling.happened during periods of 
inversion.

John VE3AMZ



- Original Message - 
From: NORM KNAPP nkn...@twowayradio.net
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:12 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater


 Got a VHF repeater in my area. In the last several weeks it has started 
 making a noise like that of a steam whistle. It doesn't do it all the 
 time. It seems random. I have not been able to make any connections yet 
 with regular occurances. It doesn't do it until someone talks through the 
 repeater and the unkeys. The noise keeps the repeater up for a couple of 
 seconds to neary a minute. The repeater is a 100watt MTR2000. I don't 
 remember the duplexer type/model/brand. It doesn't seem to do it during 
 the day, it seems more prevelant in the evening and mornings.
 Any ideas?
 N5NPO
 Norman Knapp


 



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