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Re: [RDD] Mailing list - future directions

2022-10-02 Thread Martin Flynn

Fred,

Groups.io seems to be the go-to at the moment.

+1 on David K's comment - would be willing to pay a reasonable ammount

Martin

On 10/2/2022 10:41 PM, David Klann wrote:

On 10/2/22 18:43, wa7skg wrote:

I subscribe to over 50 ham radio, broadcast, and other activity related
forums on groups.io. It seems to be a fairly robust system, has a
calendar, file storage area, self-subscribe/unsubscribe, searchable
archives, flexible delivery, email and web based access, etc. There is a
free model for small and non-profit groups, and various tiers of paid
service depending on your needs. You can have public and private groups,
sub groups, various moderation levels and other features.

I manage half a dozen groups myself. I would encourage you to look into
it. Personally, I find it far superior to Google Groups and the old
Yahoo Groups platforms.

Michael

+1 for groups.io. I would contribute actual money for a paid
subscription to groups.io. Oh! I just checked my groups.io account --
I am (and 4 other users are) already subscribed to "Rivendell". List
owner appears to be someone named "Jim W7RY". Jim are you listening here?

Per option #3, I heartily urge avoiding yet another facebook group as
an email-based listserv replacement. I also urge consideration of
Matrix (matrix.org) as an alternative to email. I just created
#rivendell:matrix.org It's a public Matrix room which means anyone can
join and post messages.

I'm eager to see what comes of this discussion!

~David Klann

Fred Gleason wrote on 10/2/22 1:13 PM:

Howdy Folks:

Many of you here (especially those whose e-mail is delivered by via
accounts hosted by Google) have likely noticed that the reliability of
messages from this listserv has taken a significant nosedive over the
past several months. After ~20 years of self-hosting this list and (for
the past several months) spending many, many hours wrestling with
obscure and intermittent bounces generated by Google’s MTAs, I’ve come
to the conclusion that it’s time to move this service to a provider
that
has the requisite skills and resources to manage it in the “Google
age”.

Our options appear to be:

1) Host the existing list with a commercial company.

2) Move to a “non-commercial" existing listserv that has the available
capacity and would be willing to take it on —e.g. an ‘edu’ type
institution.

3) Move to some other, non-email based service (the FB Rivendell group
is one that has come up as a possibility).

WRT option 1), I’ve done some shopping around and found none with the
needed functionality that would at the same time be affordable (really
trying to avoid advertisement-based models).

I’m open to ideas regarding the possibilities.

Cheers!

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Re: [RDD] Rivendell 4, Ubuntu Studio

2022-10-02 Thread David Klann


On 10/2/22 16:25, Fred Gleason wrote:
On Sep 5, 2022, at 17:04, David Klann > wrote:



Since Fred G. has traditionally preferred the release cadence of
long-term support Linux distributions,


Yup. There are basically two distinct “LTS lineages” (for lack of a 
better term) that we have been developing and testing v4.x on: “RedHat” 
and “Ubuntu”. That actually unpacks to a fairly extensive list of 
“compatible” distros:




Thanks much for the update Fred!!


RedHat:
* RedHat Enterprise Linux 8 (RHEL8)
RockyLinux (Rocky8)
RedHat Enterprise Linux 7 (RHEL7)
* CentOS Linux 7 (CentOS7)

Ubuntu:
Ubuntu 22.04 (Jammy Jellyfish)
* LinuxMint 21 XFCE
Ubuntu Desktop 22.04 (Jammy Jellyfish)
Ubuntu Studio 22.04 (Jammy Jellyfish)

(*) - Indicates an environment that is actively tested during Rivendell 
development.


There are many more available variations in each lineage that are 
basically derivatives of the same base distro. I will attempt to make an 
exhaustive list of the possibilities in the appropriate notes for each 
online installer; please ping me if I miss some!




I also imagine that Ubuntu 22.04
(and by association, Ubuntu Studio 22.04) will be supported as a base
distribution for as long as possible.


Correct.

FWIW though, I’ve basically given up on Ubuntu Studio 22.04 as a basis 
of testing as the new ‘KDE Plasma Desktops’ that they’ve moved to 
exhibits catastrophic instabilities (including data corruption and loss) 
on my systems. For those who want to try though, the base packages for 
Ubuntu 22.04 (Jammy Jellyfish) should work there.


I’ll also mention in passing that I’m really becoming a fan of Linux 
Mint. Version 21 is based on Ubuntu 22.04 (Jammy Jellyfish) and runs 
those packages beautifully; while the XFCE remix provides a desktop 
environment that is very similar to that of CentOS 7.


I’ve also decided to quit producing packages for Ubuntu 20.04 (Focal 
Fossa) as we’ve never gone beyond beta releases for that distro version.




I've got a 20.04 development environment -- looks like I need to migrate 
to 22.04; I'll give Mint a go...


Thanks!

  ~David Klann



Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Mailing list - future directions

2022-10-02 Thread Gavin Stephens

I follow mainly the Facebook group because you can post images and videos of 
what's going on etc... and dmarc/dkim is bouncing most of my emails from in 
here anyway since it doesn't like conventional list servers and forwarded mail 
from a different server etc...

I was playing with Matrix last night and can see why it'd be better too.

Never heard of groups.io will have to go look see.

Cheers,
Gavin.


On 3 October 2022 3:41:32 PM NZDT, David Klann  wrote:
>On 10/2/22 18:43, wa7skg wrote:
>> I subscribe to over 50 ham radio, broadcast, and other activity
>related
>> forums on groups.io. It seems to be a fairly robust system, has a
>> calendar, file storage area, self-subscribe/unsubscribe, searchable
>> archives, flexible delivery, email and web based access, etc. There
>is a
>> free model for small and non-profit groups, and various tiers of paid
>> service depending on your needs. You can have public and private
>groups,
>> sub groups, various moderation levels and other features.
>> 
>> I manage half a dozen groups myself. I would encourage you to look
>into
>> it. Personally, I find it far superior to Google Groups and the old
>> Yahoo Groups platforms.
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
>
>+1 for groups.io. I would contribute actual money for a paid 
>subscription to groups.io. Oh! I just checked my groups.io account -- I
>
>am (and 4 other users are) already subscribed to "Rivendell". List
>owner 
>appears to be someone named "Jim W7RY". Jim are you listening here?
>
>Per option #3, I heartily urge avoiding yet another facebook group as
>an 
>email-based listserv replacement. I also urge consideration of Matrix 
>(matrix.org) as an alternative to email. I just created 
>#rivendell:matrix.org It's a public Matrix room which means anyone can 
>join and post messages.
>
>I'm eager to see what comes of this discussion!
>
>   ~David Klann
>
>
>> 
>> Fred Gleason wrote on 10/2/22 1:13 PM:
>>> Howdy Folks:
>>>
>>> Many of you here (especially those whose e-mail is delivered by via
>>> accounts hosted by Google) have likely noticed that the reliability
>of
>>> messages from this listserv has taken a significant nosedive over
>the
>>> past several months. After ~20 years of self-hosting this list and
>(for
>>> the past several months) spending many, many hours wrestling with
>>> obscure and intermittent bounces generated by Google’s MTAs, I’ve
>come
>>> to the conclusion that it’s time to move this service to a provider
>that
>>> has the requisite skills and resources to manage it in the “Google
>age”.
>>> Our options appear to be:
>>>
>>> 1) Host the existing list with a commercial company.
>>>
>>> 2) Move to a “non-commercial" existing listserv that has the
>available
>>> capacity and would be willing to take it on —e.g. an ‘edu’ type
>institution.
>>>
>>> 3) Move to some other, non-email based service (the FB Rivendell
>group
>>> is one that has come up as a possibility).
>>>
>>> WRT option 1), I’ve done some shopping around and found none with
>the
>>> needed functionality that would at the same time be affordable
>(really
>>> trying to avoid advertisement-based models).
>>>
>>> I’m open to ideas regarding the possibilities.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>  |
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>  |
>>>
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Re: [RDD] Mailing list - future directions

2022-10-02 Thread David Klann

On 10/2/22 18:43, wa7skg wrote:

I manage half a dozen groups myself. I would encourage you to look into
it. Personally, I find it far superior to Google Groups and the old
Yahoo Groups platforms.

Michael

+1 for groups.io. I would contribute actual money for a paid
subscription to groups.io. Oh! I just checked my groups.io account -- I
am (and 4 other users are) already subscribed to "Rivendell". List owner
appears to be someone named "Jim W7RY". Jim are you listening here?

Per option #3, I heartily urge avoiding yet another facebook group as an
email-based listserv replacement. I also urge consideration of Matrix
(matrix.org) as an alternative to email. I just created
#rivendell:matrix.org It's a public Matrix room which means anyone can
join and post messages.

I'm eager to see what comes of this discussion!

~David Klann

Fred Gleason wrote on 10/2/22 1:13 PM:

Howdy Folks:

Many of you here (especially those whose e-mail is delivered by via
accounts hosted by Google) have likely noticed that the reliability of
messages from this listserv has taken a significant nosedive over the
past several months. After ~20 years of self-hosting this list and (for
the past several months) spending many, many hours wrestling with
obscure and intermittent bounces generated by Google’s MTAs, I’ve come
to the conclusion that it’s time to move this service to a provider that
has the requisite skills and resources to manage it in the “Google age”.
Our options appear to be:

1) Host the existing list with a commercial company.

2) Move to a “non-commercial" existing listserv that has the available
capacity and would be willing to take it on —e.g. an ‘edu’ type institution.

3) Move to some other, non-email based service (the FB Rivendell group
is one that has come up as a possibility).

WRT option 1), I’ve done some shopping around and found none with the
needed functionality that would at the same time be affordable (really
trying to avoid advertisement-based models).

I’m open to ideas regarding the possibilities.

Cheers!

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Re: [RDD] Mailing list - future directions

2022-10-02 Thread wa7skg

I manage half a dozen groups myself. I would encourage you to look into
it. Personally, I find it far superior to Google Groups and the old
Yahoo Groups platforms.

Michael

Fred Gleason wrote on 10/2/22 1:13 PM:

Howdy Folks:

Many of you here (especially those whose e-mail is delivered by via
accounts hosted by Google) have likely noticed that the reliability of
messages from this listserv has taken a significant nosedive over the
past several months. After ~20 years of self-hosting this list and (for
the past several months) spending many, many hours wrestling with
obscure and intermittent bounces generated by Google’s MTAs, I’ve come
to the conclusion that it’s time to move this service to a provider that
has the requisite skills and resources to manage it in the “Google age”.
Our options appear to be:

1) Host the existing list with a commercial company.

2) Move to a “non-commercial" existing listserv that has the available
capacity and would be willing to take it on —e.g. an ‘edu’ type institution.

3) Move to some other, non-email based service (the FB Rivendell group
is one that has come up as a possibility).

WRT option 1), I’ve done some shopping around and found none with the
needed functionality that would at the same time be affordable (really
trying to avoid advertisement-based models).

I’m open to ideas regarding the possibilities.

Cheers!

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Re: [RDD] Rivendell 4, Ubuntu Studio

2022-10-02 Thread Fred Gleason

On Sep 5, 2022, at 17:04, David Klann  wrote:

> Since Fred G. has traditionally preferred the release cadence of
> long-term support Linux distributions, 

Yup. There are basically two distinct “LTS lineages” (for lack of a better 
term) that we have been developing and testing v4.x on: “RedHat” and “Ubuntu”. 
That actually unpacks to a fairly extensive list of “compatible” distros:

RedHat:
* RedHat Enterprise Linux 8 (RHEL8)
RockyLinux (Rocky8)
RedHat Enterprise Linux 7 (RHEL7)
* CentOS Linux 7 (CentOS7)

Ubuntu:
Ubuntu 22.04 (Jammy Jellyfish)
* LinuxMint 21 XFCE
Ubuntu Desktop 22.04 (Jammy Jellyfish)
Ubuntu Studio 22.04 (Jammy Jellyfish)

(*) - Indicates an environment that is actively tested during Rivendell 
development.

There are many more available variations in each lineage that are basically 
derivatives of the same base distro. I will attempt to make an exhaustive list 
of the possibilities in the appropriate notes for each online installer; please 
ping me if I miss some!

> I also imagine that Ubuntu 22.04
> (and by association, Ubuntu Studio 22.04) will be supported as a base
> distribution for as long as possible.

Correct. 

FWIW though, I’ve basically given up on Ubuntu Studio 22.04 as a basis of 
testing as the new ‘KDE Plasma Desktops’ that they’ve moved to exhibits 
catastrophic instabilities (including data corruption and loss) on my systems. 
For those who want to try though, the base packages for Ubuntu 22.04 (Jammy 
Jellyfish) should work there.

I’ll also mention in passing that I’m really becoming a fan of Linux Mint. 
Version 21 is based on Ubuntu 22.04 (Jammy Jellyfish) and runs those packages 
beautifully; while the XFCE remix provides a desktop environment that is very 
similar to that of CentOS 7.

I’ve also decided to quit producing packages for Ubuntu 20.04 (Focal Fossa) as 
we’ve never gone beyond beta releases for that distro version.

Cheers!

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[RDD] Mailing list - future directions

2022-10-02 Thread Fred Gleason

Howdy Folks:

Many of you here (especially those whose e-mail is delivered by via accounts 
hosted by Google) have likely noticed that the reliability of messages from 
this listserv has taken a significant nosedive over the past several months. 
After ~20 years of self-hosting this list and (for the past several months) 
spending many, many hours wrestling with obscure and intermittent bounces 
generated by Google’s MTAs, I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s time to move 
this service to a provider that has the requisite skills and resources to 
manage it in the “Google age”. Our options appear to be:

1) Host the existing list with a commercial company. 

2) Move to a “non-commercial" existing listserv that has the available capacity 
and would be willing to take it on —e.g. an ‘edu’ type institution.

3) Move to some other, non-email based service (the FB Rivendell group is one 
that has come up as a possibility).

WRT option 1), I’ve done some shopping around and found none with the needed 
functionality that would at the same time be affordable (really trying to avoid 
advertisement-based models).

I’m open to ideas regarding the possibilities.

Cheers!


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[RDD] Rivendell v3.6.6

2022-10-02 Thread Fred Gleason

On behalf of the entire Rivendell development team, I'm pleased to
announce the availability of the next production release of the next
major version of Rivendell, 3.6.6. Rivendell is a full-featured radio
automation system targeted for use in professional broadcast
environments. It is available under the GNU General Public License
version 2.

From the 'NEWS' file:
*** snip snip ***
Changes:
   RDCastManager. Added an Online Feed Report that displays a bulleted list
   of items for a feed on the basis of the actual posted feed XML.

   RDImport. Added the ability to load copy-split audio sets (generic and
   regional) by means of ISCI-code named files. See the '--by-isci' option
   in the rdimport(1) man page.

   RDLibrary. Restored support for CD-Text for reading CD metadata.

   Fixed a bug in the podcasting subsystem that caused episodes to be
   automatically deleted immediately after being made active if the
   'Air Date/Time' was set for the future and 'Item Expires' was set to 'No'
   in the 'Editing Item' dialog.

   Various bugfixes. See the ChangeLog for details.

Database Update:
   This version of Rivendell uses database schema version 347, and will
   automatically upgrade any earlier versions. To see the current schema
   version prior to upgrade, see RDAdmin->SystemInfo.

   Be sure to run 'rddbmgr --modify' (as root) immediately after upgrading
   to allow any necessary changes to the database schema to be applied.
*** snip snip ***

Details and source code are available at 
https://github.com/ElvishArtisan/rivendell/releases 
.


Cheers!


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