Re: [rlug] Postfix master.cf override main.cf
Salut, mi se pare ca ai complicat-o prea tare. Pune in main.cf "smtpd_delay_reject = yes" iar in master.cf ceva de genul: submission inet n - n - - smtpd -o smtpd_tls_security_level=encrypt -o smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/pki/tls/certs/mykey.pem -o smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/pki/tls/certs/mycert.pem -o smtpd_tls_CAfile=/etc/pki/tls/certs/myca.pem -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes -o smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject -o syslog_name=postfix-submission Restarteaza si vezi daca merge. On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Catalin Bucurwrote: > Salutare, > > > Se da: > # cat /etc/centos-release > CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core) > # uname -a > Linux mail 3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Feb 16 17:03:50 UTC > 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > # rpm -qa|grep postfix > postfix-2.10.1-6.el7.x86_64 > > In main.cf am diverse restrictii obisnuite: > smtpd_client_restrictions = hash:/etc/postfix/access, > permit_mynetworks, > permit_sasl_authenticated, > reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org, > reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net, [etc] > > Ideea e ca pentru trimiterea de mailuri (prin portul de submission de > exemplu) sa nu faca verificarile de mai sus. Daca ma autentific sa fie > de ajuns sa accepte mailul si sa-l trimita, fara sa ma streseze de > exemplu ca ip-ul public de la care trimit este prin vreun blacklist. In > master.cf am facut asa: > > submission inet n - n - - smtpd > -o syslog_name=postfix/submission > -o smtpd_etrn_restrictions=reject > -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes > -o receive_override_options=no_address_mappings > -o > smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject > -o > smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject > > Si chiar vad procesul de postfix pentru submission pornit ca atare: > > postfix 6717 0.0 0.1 106752 5780 ?S01:20 0:00 \_ > smtpd -n submission -t inet -u -o stress= -s 2 -o > syslog_name=postfix/submission -o smtpd_etrn_restrictions=reject -o > smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes -o > receive_override_options=no_address_mappings -o > smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject > -o > smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject > > In schimb cand incerc sa trimit mail: > > Jun 8 01:17:16 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[6260]: connect from > unknown[213.233.85.145] > Jun 8 01:17:16 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[6260]: NOQUEUE: reject: > CONNECT from unknown[213.233.85.145]: 554 5.7.1 > : Client host rejected: Access denied; proto=SMTP > Jun 8 01:17:47 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[6276]: connect from > unknown[213.233.85.145] > Jun 8 01:17:47 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[6276]: NOQUEUE: reject: > CONNECT from unknown[213.233.85.145]: 554 5.7.1 > : Client host rejected: Access denied; proto=SMTP > Jun 8 01:18:17 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[6276]: lost connection > after UNKNOWN from unknown[213.233.85.145] > Jun 8 01:18:17 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[6276]: disconnect from > unknown[213.233.85.145] > Jun 8 01:18:18 mail postfix/smtpd[6315]: connect from > unknown[213.233.85.145] > Jun 8 01:18:38 mail postfix/smtpd[6315]: NOQUEUE: reject: CONNECT from > unknown[213.233.85.145]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host > [213.233.85.145] blocked using zen.spamhaus.org; > https://www.spamhaus.org/query/ip/213.233.85.145; proto=SMTP > > Din teorie, ce scrie in master.cf face override la ce e in main.cf dar > la mine nu :-) Imi scapa ceva, dar nu stiu ce, asa ca daca aveti vreo > idee... > > > Mersi, > > -- > Catalin Bucur > > ___ > RLUG mailing list > RLUG@lists.lug.ro > http://lists.lug.ro/mailman/listinfo/rlug -- Adi Pircalabu ___ RLUG mailing list RLUG@lists.lug.ro http://lists.lug.ro/mailman/listinfo/rlug
Re: [rlug] Postfix master.cf override main.cf
foloseste: debug_peer_list = 213.233.85.145 sa vedem daca se poate sesiunea SMTP. On 8 June 2016 at 14:24, Catalin Bucurwrote: > On 08/06/16 16:07, Catalin Muresan wrote: > > Tu ai citit ce am scris eu ? Ai uitat sa pui -o smtpd_enforce_tls=yes > > si nu face SASL auth pentru ca nu are cum si primeste reject. > > Setarile din master.cf se aplica doar la submission, ce ai in main.cf se > > aplica la smtpd > > Deaia ai submission si smtps de ex. si in main.cf ai lmtp, smtp, smtpd > > (alte nume). > > > submission inet n - n - - smtpd > -o syslog_name=postfix/submission > -o smtpd_etrn_restrictions=reject > -o smtpd_enforce_tls=yes > -o smtpd_tls_auth_only=yes > -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes > -o smtpd_use_tls=yes > -o receive_override_options=no_address_mappings > -o > > smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject > > > Jun 8 16:20:21 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[3746]: connect from > unknown[213.233.85.145] > Jun 8 16:20:21 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[3746]: NOQUEUE: reject: > CONNECT from unknown[213.233.85.145]: 554 5.7.1 > : Client host rejected: Access denied; proto=SMTP > > > Doar daca scot linia cu smtpd_client_restrictions din master.cf imi > functioneaza trimiterea. > > > -- > Catalin Bucur > ___ > RLUG mailing list > RLUG@lists.lug.ro > http://lists.lug.ro/mailman/listinfo/rlug > ___ RLUG mailing list RLUG@lists.lug.ro http://lists.lug.ro/mailman/listinfo/rlug
Re: [rlug] Postfix master.cf override main.cf
On 08/06/16 16:24, Catalin Bucur wrote: > submission inet n - n - - smtpd > -o syslog_name=postfix/submission > -o smtpd_etrn_restrictions=reject > -o smtpd_enforce_tls=yes > -o smtpd_tls_auth_only=yes > -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes > -o smtpd_use_tls=yes > -o receive_override_options=no_address_mappings > -o > smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject > > > > Jun 8 16:20:21 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[3746]: connect from > unknown[213.233.85.145] > Jun 8 16:20:21 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[3746]: NOQUEUE: reject: > CONNECT from unknown[213.233.85.145]: 554 5.7.1 >: Client host rejected: Access denied; proto=SMTP > > > Doar daca scot linia cu smtpd_client_restrictions din master.cf imi > functioneaza trimiterea. Am gasit raspunsul pana la urma: "> smtpd_delay_reject = no http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_delay_reject Here, most likely. Ran into something very similar last week, and this was the cause. I suspect that if you were to increase logging detail, you'd find that 'permit_sasl_authenticated' evaluates to zero during the client restrictions stage because of a delay in getting back an answer from whatever SASL backend you have in use. Postfix evaluates the rest of the client restrictions, and denies you access. Try setting 'smtpd_delay_reject' to yes, which is the default, and consolidate all your restrictions under 'smtpd_recipient_restrictions' instead." Intr-adevar aveam setat pe no smtpd_delay_reject pentru alte restrictii. Am revenit pe yes deocamdata si s-a rezolvat si problema initiala. Numai bine, Catalin Bucur ___ RLUG mailing list RLUG@lists.lug.ro http://lists.lug.ro/mailman/listinfo/rlug
Re: [rlug] Postfix master.cf override main.cf
On 08/06/16 16:07, Catalin Muresan wrote: > Tu ai citit ce am scris eu ? Ai uitat sa pui -o smtpd_enforce_tls=yes > si nu face SASL auth pentru ca nu are cum si primeste reject. > Setarile din master.cf se aplica doar la submission, ce ai in main.cf se > aplica la smtpd > Deaia ai submission si smtps de ex. si in main.cf ai lmtp, smtp, smtpd > (alte nume). submission inet n - n - - smtpd -o syslog_name=postfix/submission -o smtpd_etrn_restrictions=reject -o smtpd_enforce_tls=yes -o smtpd_tls_auth_only=yes -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes -o smtpd_use_tls=yes -o receive_override_options=no_address_mappings -o smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject Jun 8 16:20:21 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[3746]: connect from unknown[213.233.85.145] Jun 8 16:20:21 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[3746]: NOQUEUE: reject: CONNECT from unknown[213.233.85.145]: 554 5.7.1: Client host rejected: Access denied; proto=SMTP Doar daca scot linia cu smtpd_client_restrictions din master.cf imi functioneaza trimiterea. -- Catalin Bucur ___ RLUG mailing list RLUG@lists.lug.ro http://lists.lug.ro/mailman/listinfo/rlug
Re: [rlug] Postfix master.cf override main.cf
2016-06-08 14:00 GMT+01:00 Catalin Bucur: > On 08/06/16 13:34, Catalin Muresan wrote: > > On 8 June 2016 at 11:24, Catalin Muresan > wrote: > > > > sau poate ca ai (mult mai plauzibil pentru ca e cam default prin toate > > exemplele): > > > > smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes > > > > Oricum e simplu de verificat, daca dai telnet mail.server.com 587 nu ar > > trebui sa vezi AUTH decit dupa ce conexiunea e SSL. > > > > 220 mail ESMTP Postfix > > ehlo me > > 250-mail > > 250-PIPELINING > > 250-SIZE 20480 > > 250-VRFY > > 250-ETRN > > *250-STARTTLS* > > 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES > > 250-8BITMIME > > 250 DSN > > > Erau prin main.cf setarile astea, e ok din punctul asta de vedere, nu se > poate face AUTH decat dupa SSL. > Dar revenind la problema initiala, daca smtpd_client_restrictions ramane > asa cum e in main.cf (cu restrictii de rbl) atunci comunicatia pe > submission e blocata: > > Jun 8 15:36:43 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[29802]: connect from > unknown[213.233.85.145] > Jun 8 15:37:03 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[29802]: NOQUEUE: reject: > CONNECT from unknown[213.233.85.145]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; > Client host [213.233.85.145] blocked using zen.spamhaus.org; > https://www.spamhaus.org/query/ip/213.233.85.145; proto=SMTP > > > Daca in master.cf fac override la setarile din main.cf: > > -o > > smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject > > > Atunci ma rejecteaza cu access denied: > > Jun 8 15:53:58 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[32450]: connect from > unknown[213.233.85.145] > Jun 8 15:53:58 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[32450]: NOQUEUE: reject: > CONNECT from unknown[213.233.85.145]: 554 5.7.1 > : Client host rejected: Access denied; proto=SMTP > > > Ceva nu fac bine pe undeva. > Tu ai citit ce am scris eu ? Ai uitat sa pui -o smtpd_enforce_tls=yes si nu face SASL auth pentru ca nu are cum si primeste reject. Setarile din master.cf se aplica doar la submission, ce ai in main.cf se aplica la smtpd Deaia ai submission si smtps de ex. si in main.cf ai lmtp, smtp, smtpd (alte nume). Mai citeste odata cele 2 mailuri dinainte. > > > Mersi, > -- > Catalin Bucur > ___ > RLUG mailing list > RLUG@lists.lug.ro > http://lists.lug.ro/mailman/listinfo/rlug > ___ RLUG mailing list RLUG@lists.lug.ro http://lists.lug.ro/mailman/listinfo/rlug
Re: [rlug] Postfix master.cf override main.cf
On 08/06/16 13:34, Catalin Muresan wrote: > On 8 June 2016 at 11:24, Catalin Muresanwrote: > > sau poate ca ai (mult mai plauzibil pentru ca e cam default prin toate > exemplele): > > smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes > > Oricum e simplu de verificat, daca dai telnet mail.server.com 587 nu ar > trebui sa vezi AUTH decit dupa ce conexiunea e SSL. > > 220 mail ESMTP Postfix > ehlo me > 250-mail > 250-PIPELINING > 250-SIZE 20480 > 250-VRFY > 250-ETRN > *250-STARTTLS* > 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES > 250-8BITMIME > 250 DSN Erau prin main.cf setarile astea, e ok din punctul asta de vedere, nu se poate face AUTH decat dupa SSL. Dar revenind la problema initiala, daca smtpd_client_restrictions ramane asa cum e in main.cf (cu restrictii de rbl) atunci comunicatia pe submission e blocata: Jun 8 15:36:43 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[29802]: connect from unknown[213.233.85.145] Jun 8 15:37:03 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[29802]: NOQUEUE: reject: CONNECT from unknown[213.233.85.145]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [213.233.85.145] blocked using zen.spamhaus.org; https://www.spamhaus.org/query/ip/213.233.85.145; proto=SMTP Daca in master.cf fac override la setarile din main.cf: -o smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject Atunci ma rejecteaza cu access denied: Jun 8 15:53:58 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[32450]: connect from unknown[213.233.85.145] Jun 8 15:53:58 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[32450]: NOQUEUE: reject: CONNECT from unknown[213.233.85.145]: 554 5.7.1 : Client host rejected: Access denied; proto=SMTP Ceva nu fac bine pe undeva. Mersi, -- Catalin Bucur ___ RLUG mailing list RLUG@lists.lug.ro http://lists.lug.ro/mailman/listinfo/rlug
Re: [rlug] Postfix master.cf override main.cf
On 8 June 2016 at 11:24, Catalin Muresanwrote: > > > On 7 June 2016 at 23:35, Catalin Bucur wrote: > >> Salutare, >> >> >> Se da: >> # cat /etc/centos-release >> CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core) >> # uname -a >> Linux mail 3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Feb 16 17:03:50 UTC >> 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux >> # rpm -qa|grep postfix >> postfix-2.10.1-6.el7.x86_64 >> >> In main.cf am diverse restrictii obisnuite: >> smtpd_client_restrictions = hash:/etc/postfix/access, >> permit_mynetworks, >> permit_sasl_authenticated, >> reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org, >> reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net, [etc] >> >> Ideea e ca pentru trimiterea de mailuri (prin portul de submission de >> exemplu) sa nu faca verificarile de mai sus. Daca ma autentific sa fie >> de ajuns sa accepte mailul si sa-l trimita, fara sa ma streseze de >> exemplu ca ip-ul public de la care trimit este prin vreun blacklist. In >> master.cf am facut asa: >> >> submission inet n - n - - smtpd >> -o syslog_name=postfix/submission >> -o smtpd_etrn_restrictions=reject >> -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes >> -o receive_override_options=no_address_mappings >> -o >> >> smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject >> -o >> >> smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject >> > > ce nu vad e TLS enabled, la submission trebuie sa ai ceva de genul: > > -o smtpd_enforce_tls=yes > > si probabil ai ceva de genul: > > smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous, noplaintext > smtpd_sasl_tls_security_options = noanonymous > sau poate ca ai (mult mai plauzibil pentru ca e cam default prin toate exemplele): smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes Oricum e simplu de verificat, daca dai telnet mail.server.com 587 nu ar trebui sa vezi AUTH decit dupa ce conexiunea e SSL. 220 mail ESMTP Postfix ehlo me 250-mail 250-PIPELINING 250-SIZE 20480 250-VRFY 250-ETRN *250-STARTTLS* 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES 250-8BITMIME 250 DSN [cata@lemon ~]$ openssl s_client -connect mail:587 -starttls smtp CONNECTED(0003) .. .. 250 DSN ehlo me 250-mail 250-PIPELINING 250-SIZE 20480 250-VRFY 250-ETRN *250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN* *250-AUTH=PLAIN LOGIN* 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES 250-8BITMIME 250 DSN > care nu permite sasl auth decit pe encrypted connections ceea ce duce la > reject. > > pune 'postconf |grep smtpd_sasl' undeva. Sau grep smtpd_. > > > >> >> Si chiar vad procesul de postfix pentru submission pornit ca atare: >> >> postfix 6717 0.0 0.1 106752 5780 ?S01:20 0:00 \_ >> smtpd -n submission -t inet -u -o stress= -s 2 -o >> syslog_name=postfix/submission -o smtpd_etrn_restrictions=reject -o >> smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes -o >> receive_override_options=no_address_mappings -o >> >> smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject >> -o >> >> smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject >> >> In schimb cand incerc sa trimit mail: >> >> Jun 8 01:17:16 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[6260]: connect from >> unknown[213.233.85.145] >> Jun 8 01:17:16 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[6260]: NOQUEUE: reject: >> CONNECT from unknown[213.233.85.145]: 554 5.7.1 >> : Client host rejected: Access denied; proto=SMTP >> Jun 8 01:17:47 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[6276]: connect from >> unknown[213.233.85.145] >> Jun 8 01:17:47 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[6276]: NOQUEUE: reject: >> CONNECT from unknown[213.233.85.145]: 554 5.7.1 >> : Client host rejected: Access denied; proto=SMTP >> Jun 8 01:18:17 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[6276]: lost connection >> after UNKNOWN from unknown[213.233.85.145] >> Jun 8 01:18:17 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[6276]: disconnect from >> unknown[213.233.85.145] >> > > ce e mai jos e smtpd nu submission. > > >> Jun 8 01:18:18 mail postfix/smtpd[6315]: connect from >> unknown[213.233.85.145] >> Jun 8 01:18:38 mail postfix/smtpd[6315]: NOQUEUE: reject: CONNECT from >> unknown[213.233.85.145]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host >> [213.233.85.145] blocked using zen.spamhaus.org; >> https://www.spamhaus.org/query/ip/213.233.85.145; proto=SMTP >> >> Din teorie, ce scrie in master.cf face override la ce e in main.cf dar >> la mine nu :-) Imi scapa ceva, dar nu stiu ce, asa ca daca aveti vreo >> idee... >> >> >> Mersi, >> >> -- >> Catalin Bucur >> >> ___ >> RLUG mailing list >> RLUG@lists.lug.ro >> http://lists.lug.ro/mailman/listinfo/rlug >> > > ___ RLUG mailing list RLUG@lists.lug.ro http://lists.lug.ro/mailman/listinfo/rlug
Re: [rlug] Postfix master.cf override main.cf
On 7 June 2016 at 23:35, Catalin Bucurwrote: > Salutare, > > > Se da: > # cat /etc/centos-release > CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core) > # uname -a > Linux mail 3.10.0-327.10.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Feb 16 17:03:50 UTC > 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > # rpm -qa|grep postfix > postfix-2.10.1-6.el7.x86_64 > > In main.cf am diverse restrictii obisnuite: > smtpd_client_restrictions = hash:/etc/postfix/access, > permit_mynetworks, > permit_sasl_authenticated, > reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org, > reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net, [etc] > > Ideea e ca pentru trimiterea de mailuri (prin portul de submission de > exemplu) sa nu faca verificarile de mai sus. Daca ma autentific sa fie > de ajuns sa accepte mailul si sa-l trimita, fara sa ma streseze de > exemplu ca ip-ul public de la care trimit este prin vreun blacklist. In > master.cf am facut asa: > > submission inet n - n - - smtpd > -o syslog_name=postfix/submission > -o smtpd_etrn_restrictions=reject > -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes > -o receive_override_options=no_address_mappings > -o > > smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject > -o > > smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject > ce nu vad e TLS enabled, la submission trebuie sa ai ceva de genul: -o smtpd_enforce_tls=yes si probabil ai ceva de genul: smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous, noplaintext smtpd_sasl_tls_security_options = noanonymous care nu permite sasl auth decit pe encrypted connections ceea ce duce la reject. pune 'postconf |grep smtpd_sasl' undeva. Sau grep smtpd_. > > Si chiar vad procesul de postfix pentru submission pornit ca atare: > > postfix 6717 0.0 0.1 106752 5780 ?S01:20 0:00 \_ > smtpd -n submission -t inet -u -o stress= -s 2 -o > syslog_name=postfix/submission -o smtpd_etrn_restrictions=reject -o > smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes -o > receive_override_options=no_address_mappings -o > > smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject > -o > > smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject > > In schimb cand incerc sa trimit mail: > > Jun 8 01:17:16 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[6260]: connect from > unknown[213.233.85.145] > Jun 8 01:17:16 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[6260]: NOQUEUE: reject: > CONNECT from unknown[213.233.85.145]: 554 5.7.1 > : Client host rejected: Access denied; proto=SMTP > Jun 8 01:17:47 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[6276]: connect from > unknown[213.233.85.145] > Jun 8 01:17:47 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[6276]: NOQUEUE: reject: > CONNECT from unknown[213.233.85.145]: 554 5.7.1 > : Client host rejected: Access denied; proto=SMTP > Jun 8 01:18:17 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[6276]: lost connection > after UNKNOWN from unknown[213.233.85.145] > Jun 8 01:18:17 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[6276]: disconnect from > unknown[213.233.85.145] > ce e mai jos e smtpd nu submission. > Jun 8 01:18:18 mail postfix/smtpd[6315]: connect from > unknown[213.233.85.145] > Jun 8 01:18:38 mail postfix/smtpd[6315]: NOQUEUE: reject: CONNECT from > unknown[213.233.85.145]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host > [213.233.85.145] blocked using zen.spamhaus.org; > https://www.spamhaus.org/query/ip/213.233.85.145; proto=SMTP > > Din teorie, ce scrie in master.cf face override la ce e in main.cf dar > la mine nu :-) Imi scapa ceva, dar nu stiu ce, asa ca daca aveti vreo > idee... > > > Mersi, > > -- > Catalin Bucur > > ___ > RLUG mailing list > RLUG@lists.lug.ro > http://lists.lug.ro/mailman/listinfo/rlug > ___ RLUG mailing list RLUG@lists.lug.ro http://lists.lug.ro/mailman/listinfo/rlug