Re: [ros-dev] Microsoft acquires GitHub

[Oleksandr Shaposhnikov]

> Plus, like people said, its decentralized. If they suddenly go nuts and
> delete everything, you can just, though its a major PITA, just upload a
> copy of the repo to a new server and change url's. If you want to be
> paranoid about it, have a domain name that just aliases to github and then
> if shit hits the fan point it elsewhere.

Do you know we have git.reactos.org?

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Re: [ros-dev] Microsoft acquires GitHub

[Magnus Johnsson]

Plus, like people said, its decentralized. If they suddenly go nuts and
delete everything, you can just, though its a major PITA, just upload a
copy of the repo to a new server and change url's. If you want to be
paranoid about it, have a domain name that just aliases to github and then
if shit hits the fan point it elsewhere.

2018-06-05 19:52 GMT+02:00 David Quintana (gigaherz) :

> No one said we don't need a plan B. We had a plan B before moving to
> github.
> In fact, the move to github only happened because people were assured we'd
> always have a plan B.
> Why? Because github's servers are in the US, and many of the dev team
> didn't like the idea to put our sources in US computers.
>
> I will proceed to ignore everything after your first line, because it's
> mindless paranoia.
>
> You do have a point about the issues, except we don't host them on github,
> so only the Pull Requests would remain, and i'm 100% sure if github becomes
> hostile, we'll have plenty time to make a copy of the data.
>
> [I was typing that and the power blinked off long enough to shut down my
> pc ¬¬]
>
> On 5 June 2018 at 19:43, M. Ziggyesque  wrote:
>
>> No, I don't see it as pointless to have a plan B. It's more a question of
>> when, not if, it's desirable, given past practices.
>>
>> Even with no immediate changes, github can no longer be considered
>> vendor-neutral. Down the road, as example, M$ may well try to require every
>> project adopt their code-signing policy or the project gets deleted, so
>> they get their kickbacks on all the certificate fees that would entail. ROS
>> doesn't require code-signing?? DELETE!! They did similar when they bought
>> out sysinternals, bloated all their utilities with certificates, so that's
>> a distinct possibility.
>>
>> While migrating the repo itself is easy, the issues list and other
>> history is less so, plus the hassle of getting links on external pages to
>> redirect to a new home; those would take some lead time so imo is better to
>> have some plan than not.
>>
>> -- Original message--
>> *From: *David Quintana (gigaherz)
>> *Date: *Tue, Jun 5, 2018 4:40 AM
>> *To: *ReactOS Development List;
>> *Cc: *
>> *Subject:*Re: [ros-dev] Microsoft acquires GitHub
>>
>> To elaborate further:
>>
>>1. The deal won't be closed for many months (they expect december)
>>2. Microsoft probably won't change github at first (xcept maybe make
>>the login integrate with a Microsoft Account)
>>3. We don't know what they plan to do with the platform in the long
>>term, so worrying now is pointless.
>>4. We don't know that it will EVER be hostile toward ReactOS, even if
>>they break the platform and make it unusable, so chances are we are good.
>>5. If worst comes to worst, as Thomas said, we just say goodbye to GH
>>and move elsewhere.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 June 2018 at 10:36, Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo <
>> elh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> great! :)
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Thomas Faber 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 To elaborate, we're not dependent on GitHub in any significant way. It's
 just convenient. But if it stops being so, it's easy to go elsewhere.
 That's a key part of Git, being a "distributed" VCS.


 On 2018-06-05 10:31, Oleksandr Shaposhnikov wrote:
 > No it may not.
 >
 > 5 черв. 2018 р. 11:24 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo <
 elh...@gmail.com> пише:
 >
 >  May this affect ReactOS?
 >
 >  https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-github
 -empowering-developers/
 


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Re: [ros-dev] Microsoft acquires GitHub

[David Quintana (gigaherz)]

No one said we don't need a plan B. We had a plan B before moving to
github.
In fact, the move to github only happened because people were assured we'd
always have a plan B.
Why? Because github's servers are in the US, and many of the dev team
didn't like the idea to put our sources in US computers.

I will proceed to ignore everything after your first line, because it's
mindless paranoia.

You do have a point about the issues, except we don't host them on github,
so only the Pull Requests would remain, and i'm 100% sure if github becomes
hostile, we'll have plenty time to make a copy of the data.

[I was typing that and the power blinked off long enough to shut down my pc
¬¬]

On 5 June 2018 at 19:43, M. Ziggyesque  wrote:

> No, I don't see it as pointless to have a plan B. It's more a question of
> when, not if, it's desirable, given past practices.
>
> Even with no immediate changes, github can no longer be considered
> vendor-neutral. Down the road, as example, M$ may well try to require every
> project adopt their code-signing policy or the project gets deleted, so
> they get their kickbacks on all the certificate fees that would entail. ROS
> doesn't require code-signing?? DELETE!! They did similar when they bought
> out sysinternals, bloated all their utilities with certificates, so that's
> a distinct possibility.
>
> While migrating the repo itself is easy, the issues list and other history
> is less so, plus the hassle of getting links on external pages to redirect
> to a new home; those would take some lead time so imo is better to have
> some plan than not.
>
> -- Original message--
> *From: *David Quintana (gigaherz)
> *Date: *Tue, Jun 5, 2018 4:40 AM
> *To: *ReactOS Development List;
> *Cc: *
> *Subject:*Re: [ros-dev] Microsoft acquires GitHub
>
> To elaborate further:
>
>1. The deal won't be closed for many months (they expect december)
>2. Microsoft probably won't change github at first (xcept maybe make
>the login integrate with a Microsoft Account)
>3. We don't know what they plan to do with the platform in the long
>term, so worrying now is pointless.
>4. We don't know that it will EVER be hostile toward ReactOS, even if
>they break the platform and make it unusable, so chances are we are good.
>5. If worst comes to worst, as Thomas said, we just say goodbye to GH
>and move elsewhere.
>
>
>
> On 5 June 2018 at 10:36, Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo  > wrote:
>
>> great! :)
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Thomas Faber 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To elaborate, we're not dependent on GitHub in any significant way. It's
>>> just convenient. But if it stops being so, it's easy to go elsewhere.
>>> That's a key part of Git, being a "distributed" VCS.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2018-06-05 10:31, Oleksandr Shaposhnikov wrote:
>>> > No it may not.
>>> >
>>> > 5 черв. 2018 р. 11:24 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo <
>>> elh...@gmail.com> пише:
>>> >
>>> >  May this affect ReactOS?
>>> >
>>> >  https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-github
>>> -empowering-developers/
>>> 
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Re: [ros-dev] Microsoft acquires GitHub

[Pierre Schweitzer]

Let's no be paranoid and make plans out of nothing please...

And if Microsoft are that evil, why are you using their mail services?

Le 05/06/2018 à 19:43, M. Ziggyesque a écrit :
> No, I don't see it as pointless to have a plan B. It's more a question of 
> when, not if, it's desirable, given past practices.
> 
> Even with no immediate changes, github can no longer be considered 
> vendor-neutral. Down the road, as example, M$ may well try to require every 
> project adopt their code-signing policy or the project gets deleted, so they 
> get their kickbacks on all the certificate fees that would entail. ROS 
> doesn't require code-signing?? DELETE!! They did similar when they bought out 
> sysinternals, bloated all their utilities with certificates, so that's a 
> distinct possibility.
> 
> While migrating the repo itself is easy, the issues list and other history is 
> less so, plus the hassle of getting links on external pages to redirect to a 
> new home; those would take some lead time so imo is better to have some plan 
> than not.
> 
> -- Original message--
> From: David Quintana (gigaherz)
> Date: Tue, Jun 5, 2018 4:40 AM
> To: ReactOS Development List;
> Cc:
> Subject:Re: [ros-dev] Microsoft acquires GitHub
> 
> To elaborate further:
> 
>   1.  The deal won't be closed for many months (they expect december)
>   2.  Microsoft probably won't change github at first (xcept maybe make the 
> login integrate with a Microsoft Account)
>   3.  We don't know what they plan to do with the platform in the long term, 
> so worrying now is pointless.
>   4.  We don't know that it will EVER be hostile toward ReactOS, even if they 
> break the platform and make it unusable, so chances are we are good.
>   5.  If worst comes to worst, as Thomas said, we just say goodbye to GH and 
> move elsewhere.
> 
> 
> On 5 June 2018 at 10:36, Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo 
> mailto:elh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> great! :)
> 
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Thomas Faber 
> mailto:thomas.fa...@reactos.org>> wrote:
> To elaborate, we're not dependent on GitHub in any significant way. It's
> just convenient. But if it stops being so, it's easy to go elsewhere.
> That's a key part of Git, being a "distributed" VCS.
> 
> 
> On 2018-06-05 10:31, Oleksandr Shaposhnikov wrote:
>> No it may not.
>>
>> 5 черв. 2018 р. 11:24 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo 
>> mailto:elh...@gmail.com>> пише:
>>
>>  May this affect ReactOS?
>>
>>  
>> https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-github-empowering-developers/
> 
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Re: [ros-dev] Microsoft acquires GitHub

[M. Ziggyesque]

No, I don't see it as pointless to have a plan B. It's more a question of when, 
not if, it's desirable, given past practices.

Even with no immediate changes, github can no longer be considered 
vendor-neutral. Down the road, as example, M$ may well try to require every 
project adopt their code-signing policy or the project gets deleted, so they 
get their kickbacks on all the certificate fees that would entail. ROS doesn't 
require code-signing?? DELETE!! They did similar when they bought out 
sysinternals, bloated all their utilities with certificates, so that's a 
distinct possibility.

While migrating the repo itself is easy, the issues list and other history is 
less so, plus the hassle of getting links on external pages to redirect to a 
new home; those would take some lead time so imo is better to have some plan 
than not.

-- Original message--
From: David Quintana (gigaherz)
Date: Tue, Jun 5, 2018 4:40 AM
To: ReactOS Development List;
Cc:
Subject:Re: [ros-dev] Microsoft acquires GitHub

To elaborate further:

  1.  The deal won't be closed for many months (they expect december)
  2.  Microsoft probably won't change github at first (xcept maybe make the 
login integrate with a Microsoft Account)
  3.  We don't know what they plan to do with the platform in the long term, so 
worrying now is pointless.
  4.  We don't know that it will EVER be hostile toward ReactOS, even if they 
break the platform and make it unusable, so chances are we are good.
  5.  If worst comes to worst, as Thomas said, we just say goodbye to GH and 
move elsewhere.


On 5 June 2018 at 10:36, Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo 
mailto:elh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
great! :)

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Thomas Faber 
mailto:thomas.fa...@reactos.org>> wrote:
To elaborate, we're not dependent on GitHub in any significant way. It's
just convenient. But if it stops being so, it's easy to go elsewhere.
That's a key part of Git, being a "distributed" VCS.


On 2018-06-05 10:31, Oleksandr Shaposhnikov wrote:
> No it may not.
>
> 5 черв. 2018 р. 11:24 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo 
> mailto:elh...@gmail.com>> пише:
>
>  May this affect ReactOS?
>
>  
> https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-github-empowering-developers/


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Re: [ros-dev] Microsoft acquires GitHub

[David Quintana (gigaherz)]

 To elaborate further:

   1. The deal won't be closed for many months (they expect december)
   2. Microsoft probably won't change github at first (xcept maybe make the
   login integrate with a Microsoft Account)
   3. We don't know what they plan to do with the platform in the long
   term, so worrying now is pointless.
   4. We don't know that it will EVER be hostile toward ReactOS, even if
   they break the platform and make it unusable, so chances are we are good.
   5. If worst comes to worst, as Thomas said, we just say goodbye to GH
   and move elsewhere.



On 5 June 2018 at 10:36, Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo 
wrote:

> great! :)
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Thomas Faber 
> wrote:
>
>> To elaborate, we're not dependent on GitHub in any significant way. It's
>> just convenient. But if it stops being so, it's easy to go elsewhere.
>> That's a key part of Git, being a "distributed" VCS.
>>
>>
>> On 2018-06-05 10:31, Oleksandr Shaposhnikov wrote:
>> > No it may not.
>> >
>> > 5 черв. 2018 р. 11:24 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo 
>> пише:
>> >
>> >  May this affect ReactOS?
>> >
>> >  https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-github
>> -empowering-developers/
>>
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Re: [ros-dev] Microsoft acquires GitHub

[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

great! :)

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Thomas Faber 
wrote:

> To elaborate, we're not dependent on GitHub in any significant way. It's
> just convenient. But if it stops being so, it's easy to go elsewhere.
> That's a key part of Git, being a "distributed" VCS.
>
>
> On 2018-06-05 10:31, Oleksandr Shaposhnikov wrote:
> > No it may not.
> >
> > 5 черв. 2018 р. 11:24 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo 
> пише:
> >
> >  May this affect ReactOS?
> >
> >  https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-
> github-empowering-developers/
>
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Re: [ros-dev] Microsoft acquires GitHub

[Thomas Faber]

To elaborate, we're not dependent on GitHub in any significant way. It's
just convenient. But if it stops being so, it's easy to go elsewhere.
That's a key part of Git, being a "distributed" VCS.


On 2018-06-05 10:31, Oleksandr Shaposhnikov wrote:
> No it may not.
> 
> 5 черв. 2018 р. 11:24 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo  пише:
> 
>  May this affect ReactOS?
> 
>  
> https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-github-empowering-developers/


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Re: [ros-dev] Microsoft acquires GitHub

[Oleksandr Shaposhnikov]

No it may not.5 черв. 2018 р. 11:24 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo  пише:May this affect ReactOS?https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-github-empowering-developers/
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[ros-dev] Microsoft acquires GitHub

[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

May this affect ReactOS?

https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-github-empowering-developers/
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