Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-09-02 Thread Tim Munro
david wrote:
 > So you add ANOTHER DRIVE to the system That's what I do.

Yes, I could have picked up an old drive somewhere and stuffed it into
the box.  I even considered picking up an IDE to SATA adapter so that I
could attempt to use a newer drive, but the bottom line was that the
machine itself was hopelessly out of date.  A 550MHz Pentium III
processor with 256M of ram (apparently HP's upper limit for that
motherboard) is hardly sound-barrier stuff these days.  Rather than
pouring more money into a lost cause, I decided to upgrade.

 > Didn't have to modify any apps to run on 64-bit. Which apps are you
 > talking about?

The first example that comes to mind is an obscure program called
"Rosegarden" and how it deals with library paths.  On a Slackware
system, 32-bit stuff typically goes into /usr/lib, while 64-bit stuff
ends up in /usr/lib64.  Because I had built and installed DSSI and
LADSPA from source, they ended up in the 64-bit library where
Rosegarden couldn't find them.  My initial workaround was to place
symlinks in the 32-bit library, but eventually I got around to patching
src/sound/DSSIPluginFactory.cpp and src/sound/LADSPAPluginFactory.cpp
with more complete path info.

Other programs that needed adjustment were mostly things that I had
written years ago that contained snippets of truly ancient code.  Back
in the 16-bit days, for instance, we made assumptions about the size of
an "int" that are no longer valid.

Tim

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-09-02 Thread John
Cut out all this BS and get real. Assess what you need, what works, and what 
you can afford,. Buy it, use it and stop whining. 
Most people are only slaves to their own unrealistic expectations and enjoy 
being unhappy so that they have good reasons to complain and can forget about 
their own shortcomings. 

John


On 2012-09-02, at 5:56 AM, ahmet öztürk wrote:

> On Cts, 2012-09-01 at 01:50 -0800, Christopher Howard wrote:
> 
>> Slavery is always preferable to freedom. Who cares who is pulling the
>> strings, so long as I don't have to think about it what to do next,
>> right? Who cares where the food comes from, so long as they drop me the
>> occasional morsel? Whats a few chains, so long as they paint the cell a
>> nice color and don't beat me more than once a week?
>> 
>> Our lives are filled with computers, from the microprocessors in our
>> radios, televisions, hearing aids, alarm clocks, and so forth, to the
>> high end CPUs in our Desktop PCs, servers, and cell phones. At the end
>> of the day: Who do you want to be in control of all that hardware you
>> own? Yourself? Or a handful of programmers 2000 miles away, working for
>> a CEO who is more than glad to use whatever technological or legal
>> measures are necessary to ensure that you have to use his product and
>> services forever? (Locked down iPhone anyone? Or perhaps a bricked
>> Playstation?) And doesn't mind turning control or personal information
>> over to scary government organizations, so long as the company comes out
>> on top...? (E.g., Microsoft/NSA collaboration[1]). Let's not even get
>> started on DRM technology, which uses malware to restrict your ability
>> to control and manage your own data on your own hardware. (Anyone
>> remember the Sony fiasco?) DRM only works, of course, if your software
>> and hardware is a black box that you don't understand and don't have the
>> ability to study or modify (or you are sufficiently intimidated not to
>> attempt it).
>> 
>> It's your hardware, right? Shouldn't you have the unrestricted ability
>> to study how it works, run what you like on it, and change what you
>> don't like?
>> 
>> Oh, but who really cares about that? Just pass me a beer, a box of
>> pizza, and the next Crysis DVD, and I'll be happy.
>> 
>> [1] http://youtu.be/v6nWpaPNZTk
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, not just mere happy, unobtrusive slaves. There are some
> among them who seem to be ready to die, so to speak, defending or
> advocating the slave master's cause which is really sad.
> 
> Ahmet
> 
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-09-02 Thread k-12
Tim Munro wrote:

> A time lag frequently exists between the introduction of new 
> hardware and the availability of suitable Linux drivers.  And 
> even when these drivers or kernel patches become available, a
> significant time lag can exist before the changes make it into 
> a distribution.  Especially one as conservative as Slackware, 
> my personal favorite.

Last year I struggled with taming an Asus-g73sw laptop: I too 
started by wiping the bundlecrap off the disk and installing 
about half a dozen linux distros on it, and windows-7 but then 
that was it for windows, XP could NOT be installed. On the other
hand the backlit keyboard works only under windows. It isn't 
just linux that throws fits when you have to move up. As for 
KDE4, yeah, eyecandy puke but I got it working now and just 
don't use any feature I don't like. I can't call it inferior 
to KDE3 even if I had to let go a couple of favorite features.  

The short of the long is that any major software or hardware 
move requires a good year to "beat into shape".


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-09-02 Thread ahmet öztürk
On Cts, 2012-09-01 at 01:50 -0800, Christopher Howard wrote:

> Slavery is always preferable to freedom. Who cares who is pulling the
> strings, so long as I don't have to think about it what to do next,
> right? Who cares where the food comes from, so long as they drop me the
> occasional morsel? Whats a few chains, so long as they paint the cell a
> nice color and don't beat me more than once a week?
> 
> Our lives are filled with computers, from the microprocessors in our
> radios, televisions, hearing aids, alarm clocks, and so forth, to the
> high end CPUs in our Desktop PCs, servers, and cell phones. At the end
> of the day: Who do you want to be in control of all that hardware you
> own? Yourself? Or a handful of programmers 2000 miles away, working for
> a CEO who is more than glad to use whatever technological or legal
> measures are necessary to ensure that you have to use his product and
> services forever? (Locked down iPhone anyone? Or perhaps a bricked
> Playstation?) And doesn't mind turning control or personal information
> over to scary government organizations, so long as the company comes out
> on top...? (E.g., Microsoft/NSA collaboration[1]). Let's not even get
> started on DRM technology, which uses malware to restrict your ability
> to control and manage your own data on your own hardware. (Anyone
> remember the Sony fiasco?) DRM only works, of course, if your software
> and hardware is a black box that you don't understand and don't have the
> ability to study or modify (or you are sufficiently intimidated not to
> attempt it).
> 
> It's your hardware, right? Shouldn't you have the unrestricted ability
> to study how it works, run what you like on it, and change what you
> don't like?
> 
> Oh, but who really cares about that? Just pass me a beer, a box of
> pizza, and the next Crysis DVD, and I'll be happy.
> 
> [1] http://youtu.be/v6nWpaPNZTk


Unfortunately, not just mere happy, unobtrusive slaves. There are some
among them who seem to be ready to die, so to speak, defending or
advocating the slave master's cause which is really sad.

Ahmet


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] whether to choose a PCI-e/Lowprofile/wavetable sound card?

2012-09-02 Thread D. Michael McIntyre
On 09/01/2012 07:07 PM, oota wrote:

> 1) PCI-e and
> 2) low profile   and
> 3) wavetable
>
> Is there any sound card which fills the above?

I have not gone looking for something like this in many years, but I 
think it is unlikely that anything has improved since 2007 or so. 
Nobody makes hardware like that any longer, and I had to start telling 
everyone to use QSynth.

I haven't had a computer that could make use of my trusty Sound Blaster 
Live! in several years myself.  It's a pity.  They worked very well, and 
they were cheap.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-09-02 Thread Luis Garrido
O trusted and olden computer:
thou sure wasn't meant for the future!
This new distro fits
not inside thy bits.
I feel pushed to buy something cuter.

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