Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to disable JACK?
On 02/11/12 17:41, david wrote: > On 11/01/2012 12:58 AM, John O'Hagan wrote: >> On 31/10/12 19:00, david wrote: [...] >>> Hmm, I just started RG 12.04 under Debian Sid XFCE. RG didn't start up >>> jackd. Which is the way I like it. So your RG is starting JACK whether >>> or not you want it started >>> >> >> Yes, as the OP stated and D. Michael McIntyre confirmed, that is the way >> it's supposed to work, at least if jackd is installed. Some would prefer >> this didn't happen and need to use tricks to achieve this. Personally I >> like it, but find it shut down when RG does. Some don't have this >> problem For others it seems this is happening already. I'm using Debian >> Testing. > > I've lost track - is this JACK1 or JACK2 being used? I have JACK2. > I have jack2 also. To clarify the garbled mess I wrote above, what I should have said was "I find jackd _doesn't_ shut down when RG does. Some don't have this problem. For those who use jack all the time it doesn't matter." IMHO, whatever the pros and cons of using jack for everything, it would be good if the -T option to jack was behaving as expected, i.e. jack should shut down once no clients remain. However it turns out that this issue isn't restricted to RG: qsynth also leaves jack running after exiting on my system. My ~.jackdrc has: /usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n4 What I see in my task manager after running RG and/or qsynth is: jackd -T -ndefault -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p256 -n4 Notice the extra "-T -ndefault" in front of the option string. Any jack experts out there able to cast some light on this? -- John -- LogMeIn Central: Instant, anywhere, Remote PC access and management. Stay in control, update software, and manage PCs from one command center Diagnose problems and improve visibility into emerging IT issues Automate, monitor and manage. Do more in less time with Central http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein12331_d2d ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to disable JACK?
On 31/10/12 19:00, david wrote: > On 10/30/2012 04:40 PM, John O'Hagan wrote: >> On 29/10/12 09:33, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >>> On 10/28/2012 02:06 PM, Jim Cochrane wrote: >>>> jackd is started up whenever I start >>>> rosegarden, even though this box is unchecked. Is there another spot in >>>> the GUI to disable jack that I'm not seeing? >>> >>> There is no box for that as such. Rosegarden isn't starting jackd so >>> much as the JACK API is starting jackd. I misremember the technical >>> details, but basically we made a minor change to use a different API >>> call, and now the audio server starts itself when Rosegarden does if >>> it's not already running. This is basically a good thing, since it >>> starts Rosegarden with all of its features enabled by default. >> >> [...] >> >>> >>> I suppose we could consider making some config option that would prevent >>> Rosegarden from even attempting to start JACK, but I'd really rather not >>> bother unless there is a lot of demand. It's just one more confusing >>> configuration option for people to misunderstand, one more thing for >>> everybody to have to translate, and one more thing for users to forget >> [...] >> >> I agree with the approach, but there is an unfortunate consequence in >> this case, at least on my Debian XFCE box, RG 12.04: after using >> Rosegarden, jackd remains running, and prevents all my normal (ALSA) >> applications' audio from working, except the handful which are >> automatically jack-aware. This means manually terminating jack, from a >> task manager or whatever, after each RG session; users still have to >> manage jack, with all the attendant potential for confusion. >> >> I'm not sure why this is happening, as jackd is started with the -T >> option, which means it should exit once it has no clients left, and >> which is what it used to do when I started jack manually (using >> qjackctl) in earlier RG versions which did not start jack automatically. >> However, now it keeps running happily after RG exits, even though >> qjackctl shows no connections remain. Any ideas why? > > Hmm, I just started RG 12.04 under Debian Sid XFCE. RG didn't start up > jackd. Which is the way I like it. So your RG is starting JACK whether > or not you want it started > Yes, as the OP stated and D. Michael McIntyre confirmed, that is the way it's supposed to work, at least if jackd is installed. Some would prefer this didn't happen and need to use tricks to achieve this. Personally I like it, but find it shut down when RG does. Some don't have this problem For others it seems this is happening already. I'm using Debian Testing. -- John -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to disable JACK?
On 29/10/12 09:33, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On 10/28/2012 02:06 PM, Jim Cochrane wrote: >> jackd is started up whenever I start >> rosegarden, even though this box is unchecked. Is there another spot in >> the GUI to disable jack that I'm not seeing? > > There is no box for that as such. Rosegarden isn't starting jackd so > much as the JACK API is starting jackd. I misremember the technical > details, but basically we made a minor change to use a different API > call, and now the audio server starts itself when Rosegarden does if > it's not already running. This is basically a good thing, since it > starts Rosegarden with all of its features enabled by default. [...] > > I suppose we could consider making some config option that would prevent > Rosegarden from even attempting to start JACK, but I'd really rather not > bother unless there is a lot of demand. It's just one more confusing > configuration option for people to misunderstand, one more thing for > everybody to have to translate, and one more thing for users to forget [...] I agree with the approach, but there is an unfortunate consequence in this case, at least on my Debian XFCE box, RG 12.04: after using Rosegarden, jackd remains running, and prevents all my normal (ALSA) applications' audio from working, except the handful which are automatically jack-aware. This means manually terminating jack, from a task manager or whatever, after each RG session; users still have to manage jack, with all the attendant potential for confusion. I'm not sure why this is happening, as jackd is started with the -T option, which means it should exit once it has no clients left, and which is what it used to do when I started jack manually (using qjackctl) in earlier RG versions which did not start jack automatically. However, now it keeps running happily after RG exits, even though qjackctl shows no connections remain. Any ideas why? Regards, -- John -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_sfd2d_oct ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Linked-copy segments don't work with lyrics in lilypond
Hi, Recently returning to Rosegarden after a couple of years, I'm very impressed with 11.11.42 (Debian testing). Many thanks to the developers. One outstanding improvement is the linked-copy feature, and its ability to create repeats with alternate endings in the score. But it has one little problem I haven't seen mentioned yet: if linked segments contain lyrics, the lilypond print only shows a single copy: no repeats, no endings or other segments, even if they are selected for printing. With chords and other text, linked copies print fine. Should I report a bug? Regards, John O'Hagan -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
