Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad NewsDayInFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama)
okeedokee Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. Ronald Reagan - Original Message - From: Pat Smoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad NewsDayInFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) Can't argue with any of that Joe. I don't know the details about him. From what little I do know, I would have to say that he is a piece of shit like Scott Peterson. I'm only stating what I would want done to me or my loved one if I or they were Terri. - Original Message - From: Joe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News DayInFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) I am ok with agreeing to disagree. You and I agree so often that I think this is one of the 1st times I have not agreed with your position. If her husband was so heavy into promises, then he would not be disregarding his wedding vows by running around on his wife fathering children with another woman. I think that the words till death do us part is part of those vows / promises. I suspect that there is a hefty insurance policy somewhere in the equation. I don't know, I only suspect. Joe Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. Ronald Reagan - Original Message - From: Pat Smoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one Joe. I have been involved in 2 decisions like this one. Fortunately God made the decision for us for one we made the wrong call on the other prolonged the poor woman's suffering. I personally know of no one that wants to live like that poor girl has. I'm pretty sure that all the married folks on this list knows exactly what their spouse would want them to do under these circumstances Terri's husband is no different. He may actually be one of those rare people today that makes a promise makes every effort to keep it, therefore divorce is not an option. BTW, refusing medical treatment is not euthanasia. - Original Message - From: Joe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day In Florida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) I never want to wonder whether the physician coming into my hospital room is wearing the white coat of the healer or the black hood of the executioner. Alexander Capron (American lawyer. Source: Daily Telegraph 8/10/04) The truth is that we all have a right to die with dignity, which means being given good palliative care and pain relief. What the supporters of euthanasia are really arguing for is not the right to die with dignity, but the right to be killed. They are demanding of doctors that they become killers. Archbishop Peter Smith (Daily Telegraph: 19/12/2004) Euthanasia is a grave violation of the law of God, since it is the deliberate and morally unacceptable killing of a human person. Pope John Paul II: Evangelium Vitae, 1995 Euthanasia is a long, smooth-sounding word, and it conceals its danger as long, smooth words do, but the danger is there, nevertheless. Pearl S. Buck This life in us. . . however low it flickers or fiercely burns, is still a divine flame which no man dare presume to put out, be his motives never so humane and enlightened. To suppose otherwise is to countenance a death-wish. Either life is always and in all circumstances sacred, or intrinsically of no account; it is inconceivable that it should be in some cases the one, and in some the other. Malcolm Muggeridge That is all. Joe Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free
RE: [RollTideFan] Double Sad NewsDayInFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama)
But if it is as her family has stated, she will have eternal life. I never said this was a red/blue state thing. This could be a personal political agenda but, the fact remains she has been proven to be Terminal. How long do you wait? So, we shouldn't trust the husband? Who do we trust? Where has Mom and Dad been to contribute to her medical care? Yet, they have the funds to fight for her. I have tried and tried again to see where my faith would lead me and it seems time and time again it shows me. If this were me, what would I want done? To be home with my Lord and Savior! Not here leading a non-existant existance. Not life cause, life would mean living and not just existing. Richard From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion ListRTF@rolltidefan.net To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion ListRTF@rolltidefan.net Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Double Sad NewsDayInFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:09:33 -0500 I don't remember anybody ever insinuating that he had relations with other women prior to her going into this state. Maybe it's in that essay somewhere, but even if it is, it is not material to the subject. It makes no difference. I also don't totally understand this idea that people are politicizing this for their agenda. I just don't buy into that. I know a lot of people from all across the political spectrum and their opinions on this subject definitely do not fall along red state/blue state lines. I just don't see it at all. Whether there are holes in this essay or not is not the question. It was apparently written by a guy who shares your opinion, but he has brought up a lot of interesting points and it was presented here for that purpose only. I just simply never want to err on a side that is irreversable and there is nothing more irreversable than death. If a court wrongly convicts and imprisons an innocent person, then his time in jail can never be returned to him, but his freedom henceforth can. There are a lot of questions that need to be answered, and what it boils down to in my opinion, is that due to the actions of the husband, we cannot trust his word, therefore we have to make assumptions. As I said earlier, I would never assume something that is irreversible. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Reeves Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:53 PM To: RTF@rolltidefan.net Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News DayInFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) Well Tim, There are quite a few holes in this essay. This is exactly what I was talking about? There are people spreading things in regards to this case that are half truths or out it out lies. First, it has been proven that he did not have relations with other women until she was in her veg. state. Second, the court experts ruled that her veg state was due to her heart stopping and the lack of oxygen being supplied to her brain. The cases of abuse have been gone through by the courts and have been proven no such abuse has occurred. So, where do we go from here? I can say that most people that I have talked to say that they would not want to be kept alive by these means. I myself am included. Her parents have recently stated that she is being abused and mistreated by hospice. In order for hospice to accept you, you have to be diagnosed as Terminal. These reports have also been found out to be false. I have come to believe that the parents will say and do whatever it takes to keep Terri alive. Even Lie! I feel for both of them but, I have not heard the Husband say one bad thing about her parents. For 15 years her parents could have paid for her medical treatment. Have they? No! The citizens of the state of Florida and her Husband have been doing that. I feel for both of them but, I feel that Terri would not want to be kept like she is in her current condition. What is life. She has no brain activity, she doesn't feel pain and now there are propagand being spred through the news she spoke up and didn't want her feeding tube pulled. Please, give me a break. The woman hasn't said it on either of the first 2 attempts the tube was removed. So, why now? Because, here is someone trying to push there own agenda. Let this woman rest in piece! She has been made a political pawn. Period! Richard From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion ListRTF@rolltidefan.net To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion ListRTF@rolltidefan.net Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:24:24 -0500 Actually Richard, you and Pat appear to be of like mind. I am going to repost an essay that I received off-list that seems to take an objective view of the situation. I have always suspected this husband is not what he is cracked up
Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad NewsDayInFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama)
http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/trialctorder02-00.pdf How about reading the court documents which shows a little different picture! From: Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion ListRTF@rolltidefan.net To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion ListRTF@rolltidefan.net Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad NewsDayInFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:31:36 -0600 http://www.terrisfight.org/ - Original Message - From: Richard Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 7:52 PM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News DayInFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) Well Tim, There are quite a few holes in this essay. This is exactly what I was talking about? There are people spreading things in regards to this case that are half truths or out it out lies. First, it has been proven that he did not have relations with other women until she was in her veg. state. Second, the court experts ruled that her veg state was due to her heart stopping and the lack of oxygen being supplied to her brain. The cases of abuse have been gone through by the courts and have been proven no such abuse has occurred. So, where do we go from here? I can say that most people that I have talked to say that they would not want to be kept alive by these means. I myself am included. Her parents have recently stated that she is being abused and mistreated by hospice. In order for hospice to accept you, you have to be diagnosed as Terminal. These reports have also been found out to be false. I have come to believe that the parents will say and do whatever it takes to keep Terri alive. Even Lie! I feel for both of them but, I have not heard the Husband say one bad thing about her parents. For 15 years her parents could have paid for her medical treatment. Have they? No! The citizens of the state of Florida and her Husband have been doing that. I feel for both of them but, I feel that Terri would not want to be kept like she is in her current condition. What is life. She has no brain activity, she doesn't feel pain and now there are propagand being spred through the news she spoke up and didn't want her feeding tube pulled. Please, give me a break. The woman hasn't said it on either of the first 2 attempts the tube was removed. So, why now? Because, here is someone trying to push there own agenda. Let this woman rest in piece! She has been made a political pawn. Period! Richard From: Tim Boozer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion ListRTF@rolltidefan.net To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion ListRTF@rolltidefan.net Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News Day InFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:24:24 -0500 Actually Richard, you and Pat appear to be of like mind. I am going to repost an essay that I received off-list that seems to take an objective view of the situation. I have always suspected this husband is not what he is cracked up to be. Now, I suspect it even more. This is long, but worth the read. --- Life Through A Tube? by Techniguy 03-19-2005 For the past week now, the news and talk media have been dominated daily, with one or two exceptions, by one story; the removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube. With the information being presented by the media, I found myself at odds with the mainstream Republicans and the view of the Conservatives who have taken this issue all the way to the Superior count and the President of the United States. I have always believed that it's just wrong to keep someone alive with artificial means when their time has come to go whether it's by natural causes or artificial. I still believe that but there were questions in the Schiavo case that needed answering. The media turned this into a circus of ideological and moral issues with views from both sides of the question, but really hadn't given us enough information to understand what is really going on. All we really knew was that Terri was in a vegetative state with irreversible brain damage resulting from a heart attack 15 years ago and her husband, Michael Schiavo wants the feeding tube removed as it was Terri's wish, or so he says. There have been plenty of discussions regarding the legal issues involved, and who is right and who is wrong, but we've learned little more from them. I have been thinking about writing this article for a couple of days now which I knew would be controversial with most of my readers, but the way I saw it, no one would want to be kept alive in Terri's condition, and as her Husband, Michael is really the only person who has the legal right to decide the issue. It was bad enough that Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, had been waging a seven year court battle to fight against
Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad NewsDayInFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama)
My answer was, putting them back in the wheelchairJamie - Original Message - From: Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad NewsDayInFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) Digesting the wheelchair? Slef E. - Original Message - From: JVWatts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Sad News DayInFlorida...[Fwd:FNCAlert](non-Bama) Does anybody know the worst thing about eating a vegetable ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
