[RollTideFan] Good article on the BCS

2004-12-03 Thread Joel Perry
If you enjoyed The Matrix, then the BCS should be right up your alley.


Though not nearly as entertaining, it continues the theme that machines can
hold power over humans, even when the people are fighting to regain control.


About this time last year, the college football world was up in arms because
the University of Southern California, ranked No. 1 in both polls, had been
left out of the BCS Championship Game. The Trojans' fatal flaw was that
their schedule strength didn't pass muster within the system's formula for
determining the nation's best two teams. The computer element of that
formula ranked USC third, and the separate strength of schedule component
sealed the Trojans' fate.


BCS Standings
1. USC
2. Oklahoma
3. Auburn
4. California
5. Texas
6. Utah
7. Georgia
8. Boise State
9. Louisville
10. Miami

Following SC's dominance of Michigan in the Rose Bowl, the BCS
administrators decided that such an injustice shouldn't take place again. By
mid-summer, they had developed a plan to overhaul their championship
formula, putting the majority of power back into the hands of the human
voters.


On the teleconference that announced this change, ESPN.com's Ivan Maisel
joked, Does this mean we don't have to use the word 'component' in a
college football story again?


Not so fast, my friend!


It seems the computer component is anything but irrelevant in this new
formula, and when the final BCS Standings are made official Sunday
afternoon, it's possible that the popular opinion of the people could be
overruled by computer sentiment in determining which teams gain the most
important unsettled spots.


It's a foregone conclusion that No. 1 USC will not be left out of this
season's BCS Championship Game, provided it wins its season finale against
UCLA, but there is still a slight bit of drama over who will finish No. 2.
Oklahoma currently holds a solid lead over Auburn for the other spot in the
title game, predominantly because of the Sooners' lofty position within the
computer ratings. Auburn barely trails OU in both human polls, but the
computer deficit will be extremely difficult to overcome.


Assuming both teams win their respective conference titles, the Sooners
should have a perfect score (at least five No. 1 rankings) from the
computers on Sunday. And because of inferior schedule strength numbers
(despite four victories over teams with nine wins), it seems Auburn's best
case is to finish at 93 percent, but more than likely, the Tigers will have
a final computer score of .920 (at least five No. 3 rankings). It doesn't
seem like a lot, but trailing by .08 in the computers is huge.


How huge?


Well, to overcome that margin, Auburn would need to gain the equivalent of
44 points in each poll. Each spot a team is raised on the ballot of one
voter is worth one point, so that means 44 voters in each poll would need to
move the Tigers one spot higher than they are currently being ranked (or
maybe 36 voters move them up one spot, and four voters move them up two
spots, or something to that effect).


When you consider that seven of the 61 voters in the coaches' poll already
have Auburn ranked No. 1, that means only 54 even have the ability to place
them higher. (Six of 65 AP voters have the Tigers ranked on top.) Also
considering how many have Auburn ranked No. 2 behind USC -- and how many of
those probably won't drop the Trojans without a loss -- Auburn's position
begins to look much more helpless.


This week, nine of 31 AP voters surveyed by the Mobile (Ala.) Register said
they would not consider changing their order of the top three teams unless
one loses on Saturday. If you take that to assume roughly 30 percent of all
voters in both polls will not be swayed by any victory margins this weekend,
then Auburn's odds of reaching the No. 2 spot in the BCS Standings are about
the same as the team bus being struck by lightning on the way to the Georgia
Dome ... and the forecast says there's only a 10 percent chance of rain.


For the Tigers to gain sole possession of the No. 2 position in the AP poll,
however, only six voters would need to flop their order of Oklahoma and
Auburn. In the coaches' poll, only four voters would need to switch the
teams in Auburn's favor to get them into the second spot. That means an
impressive win by the Tigers over Tennessee in the SEC Championship could be
enough to get them to No. 2 in both polls. And even though that likely
wouldn't change their BCS ranking, it sure would add to the controversy on
Sunday afternoon.


What if ...
And for those who are wondering about Armageddon scenarios on Saturday,
here's my best guess as to what would happen if the roof caves in on the top
of the BCS Standings.


If USC is the only team that survives the weekend undefeated, assuming Cal
also wins, I see the Trojans and Bears having a rematch for the national
title. If SC loses, along with either Oklahoma or Auburn, I think Texas
would gain points in both the computers and polls and would 

[RollTideFan] Hello?

2004-12-03 Thread Joe Goodson
You guys must actually be working today.  I take a day off to be lazy and 
nobody is posting.

Screw the barn and 10rc.
Rolltide!
Joe
One single object... [will merit] the endless gratitude of the society: that 
of restraining the judges from usurping legislation.

 - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Edward Livingston, March 25, 1825

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RE: [RollTideFan] Hello?

2004-12-03 Thread Devan Orange
I guess we are just waiting for someone else to post something we can all
talk about.

-Original Message-
Joe wrote:

You guys must actually be working today.  I take a day off to be lazy and 
nobody is posting.

Screw the barn and 10rc.
Rolltide!
Joe
One single object... [will merit] the endless gratitude of the society: that

of restraining the judges from usurping legislation.

  - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Edward Livingston, March 25, 1825







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RE: [RollTideFan] Deere Santa Claus

2004-12-03 Thread Devan Orange
bowing You can count that one. Got me good.

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Same old Devo.

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 DANG!!! Wish I had that too!







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RE: [RollTideFan] First sighting...

2004-12-03 Thread Devan Orange
Could you finish your meal? :-0

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Subject: [RollTideFan] First sighting...

I knew it would happen.  Just been waiting for the day.  Waiting to see what
I would see first.  UA, AU, or UT... 

I think there's like 4,000 people working at the plant I'm in.  What was I
gonna find?  I knew it *would* happen, just not quite sure when or how.. And
it finally did.  Today. 17 days to be exact.  I was in the cafeteria.
Sitting by myownslef, eating 3 tacos, and drinking a Dr. Pepper Coke.  Some
sumbitch walks in wearing a GOT DAMN Vols T-Shirt. 

Just damn! 

kurtI hate Tennessee and so should you! 





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RE: [RollTideFan] LC

2004-12-03 Thread Devan Orange
Cool. Now if they could just get the website back up and running all would
be right in the world... :~(|)


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Not much man, and both puters are again alive and
well.

RTR
LC
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Re: RE: [RollTideFan] LC

2004-12-03 Thread Rick Mc
WRONG! Bama gotta start beating the aubs and viles EVERY year and winning 
SECC's and MNC's, then everything will be right in the world.

Screw the website, Bama needs to go on about a 50 game win streak starting on 
12/31/04.

;)

Rick


 
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 Cool. Now if they could just get the website back up and running all would
 be right in the world... :~(|)
 
 
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 Not much man, and both puters are again alive and
 well.
 
 RTR
 LC
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Re: RE: [RollTideFan] LC

2004-12-03 Thread Devonna Snuggs
I agree with both of you!!!  I miss the website!!!

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 WRONG! Bama gotta start beating the aubs and viles EVERY year and winning
SECC's and MNC's, then everything will be right in the world.

 Screw the website, Bama needs to go on about a 50 game win streak starting
on 12/31/04.

 ;)

 Rick
  From: Devan Orange [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Cool. Now if they could just get the website back up and running all
would
  be right in the world... :~(|)


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Re: RE: [RollTideFan] LC

2004-12-03 Thread Rick Mc
I was active on the website when it first got going, but lost interest after a 
while. I visit the BamaMag site some, but seldom post. Just not to crazy when 
it come to posting on message boards for some reason.

Rick

 
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 I agree with both of you!!!  I miss the website!!!
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Rick Mc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
  WRONG! Bama gotta start beating the aubs and viles EVERY year and winning
 SECC's and MNC's, then everything will be right in the world.
 
  Screw the website, Bama needs to go on about a 50 game win streak starting
 on 12/31/04.
 
  ;)
 
  Rick
   From: Devan Orange [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   Cool. Now if they could just get the website back up and running all
 would
   be right in the world... :~(|)
 
 
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[RollTideFan] CUM to UF?

2004-12-03 Thread Rick Mc
Friday, December 3, 2004

 
ESPN.com news services
The University of Florida has offered its coaching job to Urban Meyer, who 
accepted today, ESPN.com's Pat Forde has learned.


Florida papers reported the offer to Meyer, who has coached Utah to a 12-0 
season and a BCS bowl bid, on their Web sites Friday morning.


It could be any minute, UF president Dr. Bernie Machen told The Palm Beach 
Post earlier today. I'm waiting for an e-mail.


When asked about the report, Utah athletic director Chris Hill, deferred. 


My position is to let the other parties in these things -- the schools and the 
coach -- speak for themselves, Hill said. Any kind of confirmation would have 
to come from other sources.


When pressed, Hill offered no further comment.


Meyer met with his players Thursday and told them what schools are pursuing 
him, but he would not be specific when asked about the meeting.


There's too many things involved right now to have any comments, Meyer said 
after a practice at Utah's new indoor practice field.


Florida officials were in Utah on Thursday, as were Notre Dame officials.


Meyer will replace Ron Zook, who was fired but coached the team through the end 
of the season. 


The Utah coach has said he wants to coach the Utes in their bowl game. Zook has 
not yet decided whether he will coach the Gators in the Peach Bowl.


Utah is expected to consider offensive coordinator Mike Sanford and defensive 
coordinator Kyle Whittingham to replace Meyer.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1937879

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Re: [RollTideFan] CUM to UF?

2004-12-03 Thread JVWatts
As of 11 pm last night it was Bob Stoops that was coming to
Floridaapparently UF recountered OU's offer with one of thier ownJVW

If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without bloodshed;
if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you
may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all odds against you
and only a precarious chance of survival. There may be even a worse fate.
You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better
to perish than to live as slaves. -- Sir Winston Churchill
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 Friday, December 3, 2004


 ESPN.com news services
 The University of Florida has offered its coaching job to Urban Meyer, who
accepted today, ESPN.com's Pat Forde has learned.


 Florida papers reported the offer to Meyer, who has coached Utah to a 12-0
season and a BCS bowl bid, on their Web sites Friday morning.


 It could be any minute, UF president Dr. Bernie Machen told The Palm
Beach Post earlier today. I'm waiting for an e-mail.


 When asked about the report, Utah athletic director Chris Hill, deferred.


 My position is to let the other parties in these things -- the schools
and the coach -- speak for themselves, Hill said. Any kind of confirmation
would have to come from other sources.


 When pressed, Hill offered no further comment.


 Meyer met with his players Thursday and told them what schools are
pursuing him, but he would not be specific when asked about the meeting.


 There's too many things involved right now to have any comments, Meyer
said after a practice at Utah's new indoor practice field.


 Florida officials were in Utah on Thursday, as were Notre Dame officials.


 Meyer will replace Ron Zook, who was fired but coached the team through
the end of the season.


 The Utah coach has said he wants to coach the Utes in their bowl game.
Zook has not yet decided whether he will coach the Gators in the Peach Bowl.


 Utah is expected to consider offensive coordinator Mike Sanford and
defensive coordinator Kyle Whittingham to replace Meyer.

 http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1937879

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 Roll Tide!!
 Rick





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[RollTideFan] Slef type entertainment (non)

2004-12-03 Thread atticusjd
http://tinyurl.com/6t8nc

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Re: [RollTideFan] OOOOPPPS! Sorry Slef, this is the correct one.

2004-12-03 Thread atticusjd
Sorry Slef, I have no idea where that link came from I thought I had copied 
over this one

http://tinyurl.com/5r58y

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http://tinyurl.com/6t8nc

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