[rules-users] Decision tables - multiple params to function over multiple columns

2011-03-29 Thread Travis_Smith
Hi,

Currently I've got a consequence on a decision table that works like this:

callHelperFunction( $1, $2, $handleFromConditions);

where the first two parameters are strings, $1 being a code, $2 a 
description.

which means that you get the table holding things like:

DC X223,This is the description text which can be fairly wordy

That works just fine!

However: For ease of maintenance, the risk analysts want the input split 
over two columns, so is there any way of doing this? I'm trying to avoid 
inserting a temporary fact then cleaning it up after, if possible, as I 
can't see that being particularly good for performance.

Thank you,
-Trav

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Re: [rules-users] CSV Issues - Decision table

2011-03-29 Thread Wolfgang Laun
Did you try this with the ... described by Michal? And you may not
be able to use vertically joined cells.
-W


On 28 March 2011 10:00, jkb balachandar.jayakan...@ingdirect.co.uk wrote:
 We recently started using Drools 5.1 and exploring the possibility of .csv
 for decision tables.
 The CSV support for decision tables seems to be quite not the same as that
 of xls. Documentation/books cover a few things (eg: work-around cell merging
 -
 http://www.packtpub.com/article/human-readable-rules-with-drools-jboss-rules-part1).
 While .xls file works fine, the .csv version of the same behaves in a
 bizarre way.
 When same facts are passed in to both, the csv one wont fire any rules.
 http://drools-java-rules-engine.46999.n3.nabble.com/file/n2742295/ExcelScreenShot.jpg
 http://drools-java-rules-engine.46999.n3.nabble.com/file/n2742295/CSVScreenShot.jpg

 Find attached both .xls and the .csv versions, please let me know if I got
 something fundamentally wrong.

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Re: [rules-users] Rule storage

2011-03-29 Thread FrankVhh
Hi all,

Thanks for your inputs Manstis and Mister X. Out of pure gratitude, I will
make sure your name remains unspoken :-).

This is my second attempt to write a reply, some weird thing happened during
the previous one. I hope it does not suddenly show up on the message board.

There surely is something in the DSL approach. Using DSL that way, you
copuld actually replace variables by a possibly more flexible alternative.

However, there are some drawbacks as well, as there will still be some
manageablility issues. Suppose prices go up by 5% in year X and by another
2% in year Y. This would mean you have to do some calculations in order to
get your DSL straight. Also, you would need to know which groups could be
bulk updated in the future. If there are some corss-overs, that might
complicate things as well.

Providing you can control versioning, I guess a more direct approach might
be the way to go.

But no need to worry about that, you helped me a lot gaining more insight,
especially the silent one.

Thanks,
Frank  

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Re: [rules-users] Decision tables - multiple params to function over multiple columns

2011-03-29 Thread Wolfgang Laun
I think this is more a Java question of how to call a method in instalments.

One option is to set a temporary from the 1st column, and call from
the 2nd: The first column might be
  String code = $param;
and the next column would
  callHelperFunction( code, $param, $handleFromConditions);
and the next column would

Alternatively, you can do
   startHelperFunction( $handle, $param );
   execHelperFunction( $param );
also with each statement coming from a column of its own.

With non-statics, also chained calls would be possible.

-W

2011/3/29  travis_sm...@bnz.co.nz:

 Hi,

 Currently I've got a consequence on a decision table that works like this:

         callHelperFunction( $1, $2, $handleFromConditions);

 where the first two parameters are strings, $1 being a code, $2 a
 description.

 which means that you get the table holding things like:

         DC X223,This is the description text which can be fairly wordy

 That works just fine!

 However: For ease of maintenance, the risk analysts want the input split
 over two columns, so is there any way of doing this? I'm trying to avoid
 inserting a temporary fact then cleaning it up after, if possible, as I
 can't see that being particularly good for performance.

 Thank you,
 -Trav

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Re: [rules-users] The update function inside a rule

2011-03-29 Thread FrankVhh
Hi Marc,

Your rules do not immediately reveal anything remarkable to me, so I do not
have an explanation or solution just yet.

Here is what I would do to narrow down on the problem:
Add an output in your rules that print the internal end date and the current
date in each RHS of the rules.

It is unlikely that the WM is not updated at all, that would cause
internalEndDate to remain unchanged and rules wouldn't be fired anymore.

Regards,
Frank


Marc Strabin wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I've 2 rules which should be similar but the result is different and I
 can't
 understand why :
 
 I insert an object Message() into drools with the following rule :
 
 rule quot;rule_aquot;
 timer (int:1s 1s)
 when
 SimpleClock ( d : dateInMillisec != 0 )  // SimpleClock give the current
 time (set by a java timer and an update)
 m : Message ( internalEndDate lt; d )
 then
  System.out.println( quot;rule aquot;);
 m.setInternalEndDate (d + 1);
 * retract (m);*
 * insert (m);*
 end
 
 
 gt; the result is fine : a message every 10.
 
 If I replace the rule_a by the rule_b : (because an update should be
 better
 than an retract/insert I guess)
 
 rule quot;rule_bquot;
 timer (int:1s 1s)
 when
 SimpleClock ( d : dateInMillisec != 0 )  // Simple slock give the current
 time (set by a java timer and an update)
 m : Message ( internalEndDate lt; d )
 then
  System.out.println( quot;rule bquot;);
 m.setInternalEndDate (d + 1);
 * update (m);*
 end
 
 
 gt; the result is bad : a message every 1 second.
 
 It act as if the attibute message.internalEndDate wasn't updated in the
 drools engine. Could someone explain me if/why this behaviour is normal ?
 Thanks in advance
 
 Marc
 
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Re: [rules-users] The update function inside a rule

2011-03-29 Thread FrankVhh
I'm sorry, that didn't make any sense. An un-updated internal enddate would
indeed cause the LHS condition to remain true, and the timer will cause it
to fire each second.

My bad...


FrankVhh wrote:
 
 Hi Marc,
 
 Your rules do not immediately reveal anything remarkable to me, so I do
 not have an explanation or solution just yet.
 
 Here is what I would do to narrow down on the problem:
 Add an output in your rules that print the internal end date and the
 current date in each RHS of the rules.
 
 It is unlikely that the WM is not updated at all, that would cause
 internalEndDate to remain unchanged and rules wouldn't be fired anymore.
 
 Regards,
 Frank
 
 
 Marc Strabin wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I've 2 rules which should be similar but the result is different and I
 can't
 understand why :
 
 I insert an object Message() into drools with the following rule :
 
 rule quot;rule_aquot;
 timer (int:1s 1s)
 when
 SimpleClock ( d : dateInMillisec != 0 )  // SimpleClock give the current
 time (set by a java timer and an update)
 m : Message ( internalEndDate lt; d )
 then
  System.out.println( quot;rule aquot;);
 m.setInternalEndDate (d + 1);
 * retract (m);*
 * insert (m);*
 end
 
 
 gt; the result is fine : a message every 10.
 
 If I replace the rule_a by the rule_b : (because an update should be
 better
 than an retract/insert I guess)
 
 rule quot;rule_bquot;
 timer (int:1s 1s)
 when
 SimpleClock ( d : dateInMillisec != 0 )  // Simple slock give the current
 time (set by a java timer and an update)
 m : Message ( internalEndDate lt; d )
 then
  System.out.println( quot;rule bquot;);
 m.setInternalEndDate (d + 1);
 * update (m);*
 end
 
 
 gt; the result is bad : a message every 1 second.
 
 It act as if the attibute message.internalEndDate wasn't updated in the
 drools engine. Could someone explain me if/why this behaviour is normal ?
 Thanks in advance
 
 Marc
 
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Re: [rules-users] The update function inside a rule

2011-03-29 Thread Wolfgang Laun
I think there is an open JIRA for a very similar issue:

JBRULES-2825 rule with timer and CE not keeps firing after turning false

I have added these two rules as a comment.

However, the timer isn't necessary in this here case. Since the SimpleClock
fact is updated periodically, the engine will fire the rule as soon as
dateInMillisec exceeds the clock value in the Message fact.

Both rules work correctly, if written without the timer.

Actuallay, the timer doesn't have any effect (except wasting a few cycles).
If the LHS becomes true, it delays the first firing by 1s, and then the LHS
is made false by changing the Message object. This stops the timer! But
then, eventually, the LHS becomes true again, and *another timer *is
started, delays 1s, fires, and terminates.

-W


2011/3/29 Marc Strabin marc.stra...@gmail.com:
 Hello,
 I've 2 rules which should be similar but the result is different and I
can't
 understand why :
 I insert an object Message() into drools with the following rule :

 rule rule_a
 timer (int:1s 1s)
 when
 SimpleClock ( d : dateInMillisec != 0 )  // SimpleClock give the current
 time (set by a java timer and an update)
 m : Message ( internalEndDate  d )
 then
 System.out.println( rule a);
 m.setInternalEndDate (d + 1);
 retract (m);
 insert (m);
 end

 the result is fine : a message every 10.
 If I replace the rule_a by the rule_b : (because an update should be
better
 than an retract/insert I guess)

 rule rule_b
 timer (int:1s 1s)
 when
 SimpleClock ( d : dateInMillisec != 0 )  // Simple slock give the current
 time (set by a java timer and an update)
 m : Message ( internalEndDate  d )
 then
 System.out.println( rule b);
 m.setInternalEndDate (d + 1);
 update (m);
 end

 the result is bad : a message every 1 second.
 It act as if the attibute message.internalEndDate wasn't updated in the
 drools engine. Could someone explain me if/why this behaviour is normal ?
 Thanks in advance
 Marc
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[rules-users] Pass user Credentials through URL

2011-03-29 Thread Satyendra Sharma
Hi 
Is there any way to pass the user credential through URL to BRMS-Guvnor for
authentication and not to use login window.

If it is possible what will be URL ?

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[rules-users] Fwd: [rules-dev] Query on drools

2011-03-29 Thread Esteban Aliverti
Moved to correct mailing list



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- Blog @ http://ilesteban.wordpress.com


On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:12 AM, praveen p p.prave...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,



 We need to make a decision on whether to use Jboss drools for our project,
 please help me out on this. We are planning to develop a tool which
 generates random test data based on some conditions. These conditions can be
 something like age1860, 6 lettered string containing only first four
 letters of an alphabet, Amount=Price*quantity. We are planning to store
 these conditions in drools rule engine and generate data based on them. The
 java application has to connect to drools, fetch the rule associated with a
 property, get back to java layer and generate some output based on these
 rules. Is this possible using drools? Please let me know the possibility and
 provide some clarity on it.



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Re: [rules-users] Using Drools to model and solve a production scheduling problem with changeovers

2011-03-29 Thread David Faulkner
Andrei,

You should take a look at Drools Planner, which is designed to provide a 
framework for solving NP-hard problems using local search. I don't know how 
user-friendly you would consider it to be and there's no GUI, but it sounds 
like it may be a good fit for you.

David Faulkner
david.faulk...@amentra.commailto:david.faulk...@amentra.com

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Subject: [rules-users] Using Drools to model and solve a production scheduling 
problem with changeovers

Dear All,

I am looking for a user-friendly platform which would allow me to model and 
solve a
production scheduling problem with changeover times. Since it's an NP-Hard
problem, I am getting convinced that a CP formulation would be most
appropriate. Later on, a GUI should be designed to allow a user to interact
with the model.

Is drools a proper platform for this? Are there any examples of this type of 
problem solved with Drools?

I need to tackle a problem with 4 parallel machines, over 100 jobs and 100 
changeovertypes (sequence dependant setup times between each job).

I would appreciate any help on this! Thanks

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Re: [rules-users] The update function inside a rule

2011-03-29 Thread marc
Thanks, 
The JBRULES-2825 seems to be a similar issue indeed !

The timer is necessary: When change the value of SimpleClock and I only do
an update (obj), without calling fireAllRules(). That way the rule doesn't
fire...  Is-it an other problem ??

If I do a update + fireAllRulles() when I change the timer, the rule_b fire
fine every 10 seconds. (without timer in the rule..)



I think there is an open JIRA for a very similar issue:

JBRULES-2825 quot;rule with timer and CE not keeps firing after turning
falsequot;

I have added these two rules as a comment.

However, the timer isn't necessary in this here case. Since the SimpleClock
fact is updated periodically, the engine will fire the rule as soon as
dateInMillisec exceeds the clock value in the Message fact.

Both rules work correctly, if written without the timer.

Actuallay, the timer doesn't have any effect (except wasting a few cycles).
If the LHS becomes true, it delays the first firing by 1s, and then the LHS
is made false by changing the Message object. This stops the timer! But
then, eventually, the LHS becomes true again, and *another timer *is
started, delays 1s, fires, and terminates.

-W



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Re: [rules-users] The update function inside a rule

2011-03-29 Thread Wolfgang Laun
On 29 March 2011 19:04, marc marc.stra...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks,
 The JBRULES-2825 seems to be a similar issue indeed !

 The timer is necessary: When change the value of SimpleClock and I only do
 an update (obj), without calling fireAllRules(). That way the rule doesn't
 fire...  Is-it an other problem ??

 If I do a update + fireAllRulles() when I change the timer, the rule_b fire
 fine every 10 seconds. (without timer in the rule..)

 Sorry, but I do not understand what you mean by any of these two scenarios.
-W




 I think there is an open JIRA for a very similar issue:

 JBRULES-2825 quot;rule with timer and CE not keeps firing after turning
 falsequot;

 I have added these two rules as a comment.

 However, the timer isn't necessary in this here case. Since the SimpleClock
 fact is updated periodically, the engine will fire the rule as soon as
 dateInMillisec exceeds the clock value in the Message fact.

 Both rules work correctly, if written without the timer.

 Actuallay, the timer doesn't have any effect (except wasting a few cycles).
 If the LHS becomes true, it delays the first firing by 1s, and then the LHS
 is made false by changing the Message object. This stops the timer! But
 then, eventually, the LHS becomes true again, and *another timer *is
 started, delays 1s, fires, and terminates.

 -W



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Re: [rules-users] Decision tables - multiple params to function over multiple columns

2011-03-29 Thread Travis_Smith
Thank you for the reply Wolfgang,

For some reason I had a mental blank when I asked that question - was 
thinking Can't create variables like that.

Thanks!
-Trav

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I think this is more a Java question of how to call a method in 
instalments.

One option is to set a temporary from the 1st column, and call from
the 2nd: The first column might be
  String code = $param;
and the next column would
  callHelperFunction( code, $param, $handleFromConditions);
and the next column would

Alternatively, you can do
   startHelperFunction( $handle, $param );
   execHelperFunction( $param );
also with each statement coming from a column of its own.

With non-statics, also chained calls would be possible.

-W

2011/3/29  travis_sm...@bnz.co.nz:

 Hi,

 Currently I've got a consequence on a decision table that works like 
this:

 callHelperFunction( $1, $2, $handleFromConditions);

 where the first two parameters are strings, $1 being a code, $2 a
 description.

 which means that you get the table holding things like:

 DC X223,This is the description text which can be fairly wordy

 That works just fine!

 However: For ease of maintenance, the risk analysts want the input split
 over two columns, so is there any way of doing this? I'm trying to avoid
 inserting a temporary fact then cleaning it up after, if possible, as I
 can't see that being particularly good for performance.

 Thank you,
 -Trav

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Re: [rules-users] Drools Introduction Documentation --

2011-03-29 Thread Imaad Ghouri
Hi,





Sorry I feel silly but want to know



1). How we can create our own template files (.ftl) for our usertask
(humantask) node in jbpm process. I need to create two simple .ftl or .html
(whatever)

i). One is for the manager who log in with his username and password and
then creates a Task for his developer

ii). Then second developer log in where he see his task and then view it
where he submits his no. of hours worked.



Is their a way where we can easily creates and test these things before we
can hooked them in our jbpm process?



--isg

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 3:37 AM, Mauricio Salatino sala...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi, you are probably missing the drools runtime configuration.
 Check in your setting tab and look for the Drools settings to see if you
 have it configured.
 Greetings.


 2011/3/20 Imaad Ghouri imaad.gho...@gmail.com

 Hi,

 Thanks all for the response.

 I have started with examples and having an issue while I copied drl-files
 from drools-examples in eclipse. I see a red cross sign with .drl files.
 Can someone please explain whats I have missed.

 Thanks,
 Imaad

 2011/3/18 Michael Anstis michael.ans...@gmail.com

 Hi,

 Binaries are available from http://www.jboss.org/drools/downloads(Drools 
 Binaries).

 You won't need SVN anymore (we migrated to GIT over Christmas:
 https://github.com/droolsjbpm, although the binaries will probably be
 enough for you for now).

 Roadmap would be read the Drools Expert documents and look at the
 examples really :)

 With kind regards,

 Mike


 2011/3/18 Imaad Ghouri imaad.gho...@gmail.com

 Hi,

 Thanks for the reply. There is no reason why i started building from the
 source. I just started with the drools introduction.
 Section 3.1

 http://downloads.jboss.com/drools/docs/5.1.1.34858.FINAL/drools-introduction/html_single/index.html#d0e1934

 I would certainly go with the easiest way to get started with drools.
 Kindly tell me from where I can download the binary distribution.
 I am not able to find it.

 This is what I have done so far:

 1). Installed Eclipse GEF.
 2). Installed drools plugin
 3). Installed svn, maven and ant. Added bin's in PATH variable (java,
 ant maven).
 4). Check out drools source code through svn

 http://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/labs/labs/jbossrules/trunk/



 Also, I will appreciate if some one tell me the road map for newbies. Or
 staring with given drools documentation is just fine ?

 Thanks in advance,

 isg

 2011/3/17 Wolfgang Laun wolfgang.l...@gmail.com

 Is there any reason why you don't start with the binary distributions?
 Building from the source requires some experience.

 The message indicates that some tests failed; the reason(s) can be
 found in files at the indicated location. You could try the build with
 skipping the tests, add -DskipTests to the mvn call.
 -W


 2011/3/18 Imaad Ghouri imaad.gho...@gmail.com

 Hi All,

 I am a newbie and have just started with drools with documentation:

 http://downloads.jboss.com/drools/docs/5.1.1.34858.FINAL/drools-introduction/html_single/index.html

 1). I am at section 3.4 and got the attached exception while I run the
 maven command:

 mvn -Declipse -Ddocumentation clean install 
 -DlocalEclipseDrop=/folder/jboss-drools/local-Eclipse-drop-mirror

 2). I am new in the community so i appreciate if some one guide me how
 to start other than drools documentation so I can start in a right 
 fashion.


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Re: [rules-users] Problem with CommandFactory.newStartProcess in 5.2 M1

2011-03-29 Thread Seaver, Daniel (GE Healthcare)
Ok, I finally got setup to use git and look at the latest drools code.
In that repository, the code for CommandFactory.newStartProcess looks
like this:

 

public static Command newStartProcess(String processId,

  MapString, Object
parameters) {

return getCommandFactoryProvider().newStartProcess( processId );

}

 

Apparently, there's some discrepancy from the 'master' repository you're
looking at and the repository at github. I'm looking at:

 
droolsjbpm-knowledge/knowledge-api/src/main/java/org/drools/command/Comm
andFactory lines 254-257

 

 

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[rules-users] FAIL - getProcessInstances() from persisted StatefulKnowledgeSession

2011-03-29 Thread Anderson Neves
Hi everybody.

I configured the session persistence and persisted an instantiated process.
When I get the session from the database and use the method
getProcessInstances(), it returns an empty collection. But, when I call
getProcessInstance(1), and 1 is the InstanceId of the ProcessInstanceInfo
(table that contains the process instance), I get the correct process
instance. Is this a bug? See the code below.

statefulSession =
JPAKnowledgeService.loadStatefulKnowledgeSession(sessionId, knowledgeBase,
null, environment);

CollationProcessInstance processInstances =
statefulSession.getProcessInstances(); // FAIL - return empty collection

ProcessInstance processInstance = statefulSession.getProcessInstance(1); //
OK - return the process instance


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