Re: [rules-users] Moving comment in DSLR file causes issue under 5.3

2012-07-25 Thread Wolfgang Laun
I'm not sure what exactly causes your errors - is it exactly what you
have posted, or anything different from what you have written, with
that line moved elsewhere or anywhere?

What does the resulting DRL look like?

A semicolon at the end of the statement is indicated unless it's commented out.

-W



On 24/07/2012, drdaveg drda...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is an odd one.  I was testing some DSL and have been tracing back an
 error in the translation.  The line marked in the code below, even as a
 comment, causes multiple cannot be resolved errors when moved.  Any
 thoughts on what could cause this other than a bug?

 Note that almsot all of the code is commented and as it appears now
 generates the errors.  If I move the line to the LHS the cannot be
 resolved errors go away.  The only interesting thing shown in the DRL
 viewer is that some of the comments appear duplicated.

 rule Compute
 when
 # Fare(fareBasisCode  == fp1)
 #  ts1 : TrainSegment(fl1 : fareList)
 #  ts2 : TrainSegment(fl2 : fareList)
 #  mySol : Solution()
  Fare(fp1 : fareBasisCode, thruFare == true)
   x : FQ3()
 # eval(fl1.get(fp1 )!=null)
 # eval(fl2.get(fp1)!=null)
 # eval(mySol .nthSegment(ts1)==(mySol .nthSegment(ts2)+1))
 then
 #  //int n = fq.nthSegment(fp1)   ** moving this line can cause a
 syntax error
 #  FQ3 test = new FQ3(); test = fq;
   System.out.println(fp1);
  x.setPassengerString(T);  // x.getPassengerString()+
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Re: [rules-users] How to make available declarative model to all packages.

2012-07-25 Thread rodolphio
Hi manstis,

I allready have made the 2 steps you mentioned above. This is not the
problem.

The problem is the following step 3:
Going to the Edit tab in the package x.y.z and adding the types from the
imported declarative model  in the list named Configuration: Imported
types, because if I click on the green + there is no type from the
declarative model to choose.

And my rule in the package x.y.z needs the missing type. So the package
cannot be build.

I hope I have expressed my problem now clear enough.

Thanks in advance.





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Re: [rules-users] Continuous Planning values for task planning

2012-07-25 Thread Geoffrey De Smet


Op 24-07-12 23:14, Josef Bajada schreef:

Hi Geoffrey,

Thanks for your reply.

 Does it make sense to wait longer than 7 mins after task A 
(presuming no other task forces occupies the user at that time)?
 Put differently: Can we say that the starting time of B = 
Math.max((endTime of task before B), (endTime of task A + 7 minutes))?
 If we can say that, it's pointless to investigate the solutions 
where task B starts 8 minutes after task A and the user doing no task 
that last minute.


Yes, the starting time of B = Math.max((endTime of task before B), 
(endTime of task A + 7mins)) as long as it is smaller than (endTime of 
task A + 8mins).
Yes, it is pointless to investigate the solutions where task B starts 
8 minutes after task A and the user doing no task that last minute.
The 8 minute is just a constraint that the task in between tasks A and 
B cannot take longer than 7:59s.


I am thinking that maybe instead of using time itself as the planning 
variable, we would use time just to determine the Hard and Soft scores.
So if Task B is scheduled after Task A + 8mins by the solver, then it 
inflicts on the hard score. Similarly if Task B is scheduled before 
Task A + 7 mins.

Does my reasoning make sense in any way?
Yes, but personally, I 'd design it differently (although I have no 
proof that my way would be better), like this:
Task B is scheduled after Task A + 8mins by the solver = make this a 
hard constraint
Task B is scheduled before Task A + 7 mins = make this a build-in 
hard constraint (= not a constraint in the scoreDRL or ScoreCalculator, 
but by design, see manual).
Each Task is assigned to a previousTaskOrPerson (and this variable is 
chained). It does not know it's startingTime directly.
The scoreDRL or ScoreCalculator calculates the startingTime of a Task 
dynamically, by applying this logic:
  starting time of B = Math.max((endTime of previousTaskOrPerson of B), 
(endTime of task A + 7mins))
Note: Chained=true guarantees that there are no cycles of Tasks and 
that no Tasks exists with a previousTaskOrPerson == null.
Note: (endTime of task A + 7mins) is not hard coded in the score 
function: you won't find 7 or A in there.




thanks,
Josef



On 24 July 2012 20:46, Geoffrey De Smet ge0ffrey.s...@gmail.com 
mailto:ge0ffrey.s...@gmail.com wrote:



Op 23-07-12 16 tel:23-07-12%2016:26, Josef Bajada schreef:

Hi Geoffrey,

Well I want to leave 'space' between tasks in the situations
where there are hard constraints that require me to put this space.

This makes the chaining technique harder to model, but I wouldn't
write it off yet.



As a simple example:

Task A: Put pasta in boiling water (duration 40 seconds)
Task B: Take pasta out of boiling water (duration 50 seconds,
cannot start before 7 mins after Task A finishes, cannot start
after 8 mins after Task A finishes)

Does it make sense to wait longer than 7 mins after task A
(presuming no other task forces occupies the user at that time)?
Put differently: Can we say that the starting time of B =
Math.max((endTime of task before B), (endTime of task A + 7 minutes))?
If we can say that, it's pointless to investigate the solutions
where task B starts 8 minutes after task A and the user doing no
task that last minute.
If we can say that, then chaining can calculate the the starting
time of a task on the fly differently.


Task C: Chop vegetables (duration 2 minutes).

This will evidently leave some gaps. The ideal result from the
solver should be:

Task A: at time 0 (ends at 40s)
Task C: at time 41s (ends at 2:41)
Task B: at time 7:40

There is a gap between C and B which is OK.

If another Task is added to the story:
Task D: Prepare sauce (duration 7 minutes)

I would want the following result:

Task A: at time 0 (ends at 40s)
Task D: at time 41s (ends 7:41s)
Task B: at time 8:42s (ends 9:32s)
Task C: at time 9:33s (ends 11:33s)

Task C can actually take place before Task A too.

I still need to read and understand the chaining functionality
properly. Do you think it would allow me to achieve the above?


I don't know.
But using continuous variables in a search problem such as this
that smells discrete with discrete constraints (A must start
before B, ...), could blow up the search space unnecessarily.

If you want to look into using continuous variables: the support
for it is limited currently.
you can reuse the Drools Planner metaheuristic algorithms
(including termination, score, ...), but there's no decent generic
move factory support for continuous variables yet.
So you 'll have to write a custom MoveFactory that creates a
limited subset of moves.
Also, construction heuristics can't handle continuous variables
yet, so you 'll have to write a custom SolutionIntializer.
There are examples with a custom MoveFactory and a custom

Re: [rules-users] How to make available declarative model to all packages.

2012-07-25 Thread Michael Anstis
OK, great I understand :)

What version of Guvnor are you using?

On 25 July 2012 07:18, rodolphio m.rindflei...@gameartstudio.de wrote:

 Hi manstis,

 I allready have made the 2 steps you mentioned above. This is not the
 problem.

 The problem is the following step 3:
 Going to the Edit tab in the package x.y.z and adding the types from
 the
 imported declarative model  in the list named Configuration: Imported
 types, because if I click on the green + there is no type from the
 declarative model to choose.

 And my rule in the package x.y.z needs the missing type. So the package
 cannot be build.

 I hope I have expressed my problem now clear enough.

 Thanks in advance.





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Re: [rules-users] How to make available declarative model to all packages.

2012-07-25 Thread rodolphio
I'm using Guvnor 5.4




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Re: [rules-users] Slow compilation (4h) for a single rule

2012-07-25 Thread fx242
Thanks for your explanation Edson, it makes sense now I think!
Basically what you are saying is that there is a limit, beyond which is no
longer feasible to use more ORs on a rule.


Edson Tirelli-4 wrote
 
 You are trying to avoid the issue. As reported by others, your
 conditions should be inside the patterns, not in or'd evals in the end,
 and yes, it is possible to generate rules like that in an automated
 program.
 

Sadly I don't see how, as some of my rules have arbitrary arithmetic
involving more than one variable inside the Number(), for more context see
the example I've put on
http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/drools-arithmetics-without-eval-td3823232.html.

For this case I think I will try to invert the logic and get rid of the ORs:
not(A or B) = not(A) and not(B).

Best regards,
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[rules-users] Guvnor search for rules based on fact attributes

2012-07-25 Thread Stephen Masters
Hi folks,

I have been asked by my current client to evaluate search functionality which 
could in essence search for rules which are affected by a particular fact value.

For example, if we have a number of rules similar to the following format:

when
$req : TradeRequest(account = 10, buyCurrency = 'EUR', buyAmount  
500)
then 
TradeValidationResponse response = new TradeValidationResponse();
response.setPermitted(false);
response.setMessage(Account 10 is not permitted to trade more than 
500 EUR);
insert(response);
end

What the client is interested in is being able to search for all rules which 
have been defined for account 10.

I was thinking to mess around with a rather quick and dirty solution to grab 
the package source via the REST interface and pattern match rules in a very 
hard-coded way for this specific use-case. However, that does look like a 
rather fragile way of achieving this.

So I was wondering whether anybody had looked at this sort of idea previously 
and might have thoughts on a 'better' or more generic solution, which wouldn't 
be massively complicated. I was thinking that it might be nice to extend the 
search mechanism in Guvnor so that I could pick a fact from the model and do a 
search for all rules which are based on the value of an attribute. However, 
every time I think about how that could be achieved, it seems I come up with 
new ways in which it would become really difficult to pull off.

Any thoughts?

Cheers,

Steve

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Re: [rules-users] java.lang.NullPointerException at org.drools.reteoo.ReteooFactHandleFactory.newFactHandle(ReteooFactHandleFactory.java:56)

2012-07-25 Thread Carolina Pellecchia
Hi everyone!

we have made other tow tests:


1 - As suggested by Vincent, we have just used the source gets from Guvnor
and all work fine.

In addition, it would seem that putting observations and events in the same
package all work fine!!!

2 -  We have tried to put the observation in the same packet of event in
the model and the new drl becomes:


from *package* org.dfms.model; to *package* org.dfms.model.situation;

from* import* org.dfms.model.observation.ACObservation; to *import*
org.dfms.model.situation.ACObservation;

*
*

*import* org.dfms.model.situation.AccessControlEvent;

*import* org.dfms.model.situation.SituationManager;

*import* org.dfms.model.situation.Event;

*import* org.dfms.model.mapfeature.AccessControlPoint;

*import* com.vividsolutions.jts.geom.Point;

*import* com.vividsolutions.jts.geom.Geometry;







*import* java.util.HashSet;

*import* java.util.ArrayList;



*declare* ACObservation

  @role(event)

*end*



*declare* AccessControlEvent

  @role(event)

*end*



*rule* AccessControl

  *no-loop*

  *when*

$obs  : ACObservation( $sensorid : sensorId, $location :
location ) over window:length(1) *from* entry-point access_control

  *then*

*insert*( SituationManager.createAccessControlEvent( $obs, Access
Control Detection, Event.THREAT_NO, $location, $sensorid ));

*end*



then we have loaded the pkg from Guvnor (by this link

http://localhost:8080/guvnor/org.drools.guvnor.Guvnor/package/org.dfms.model/LATEST
)

into our application and all work fine!!!


Thank you and best regards.

Carolina

2012/7/24 Vincent LEGENDRE vincent.legen...@eurodecision.com

  Our application is using this url:
 http://localhost:8080/guvnor/org.drools.guvnor.Guvnor/package/org.dfms.model/LATEST

  to loading from Guvnor5.3.0 the pkg. Is it correct?


 Yes, to get the compiled package, compiled inside Guvnor, but this is the
 problem here.

 The compiled package is a serialized kPackage object. When you get this
 from guvnor, and put it inside your kBase, the object is simply
 deserialized. The ObjectTypeConf conf.getTypeDeclaration() will look in
 the kBase, and for guvnor compiled package this method returns null (don't
 know why). I think you may have a difference between your Guvnor version
 and the drools runtime version.


 You can either use the source got from guvnor (
 http://localhost:8080/guvnor/rest/packages/org.dfms.model/source) to
 build your kBase, and this should work fine.





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Re: [rules-users] Slow compilation (4h) for a single rule

2012-07-25 Thread Wolfgang Laun
A last effort from my side.

Given any number of bound variables a, b, c: to determine whether an
arbitrary boolean expression involving arithmetic and comparison
operators, a single eval() is sufficient and preferable to a CE
combination involving the CE operators and, or, not combining
many evals.

Instead of
   not( eval( a == 1 ) )
use
   eval( ! (a == 1) )  // or better
   eval( a != 0 )

Instead of
eval( a == 1 ) or eval( b == 1 )
use
   eval( a == 1 || b == 1 )

Instead of
eval( a == 1 ) and eval( b == 1 )
use
   eval( a == 1  b == 1 )

-W

On 25/07/2012, fx242 dro...@fx242.com wrote:
 Thanks for your explanation Edson, it makes sense now I think!
 Basically what you are saying is that there is a limit, beyond which is no
 longer feasible to use more ORs on a rule.


 Edson Tirelli-4 wrote

 You are trying to avoid the issue. As reported by others, your
 conditions should be inside the patterns, not in or'd evals in the end,
 and yes, it is possible to generate rules like that in an automated
 program.


 Sadly I don't see how, as some of my rules have arbitrary arithmetic
 involving more than one variable inside the Number(), for more context see
 the example I've put on
 http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/drools-arithmetics-without-eval-td3823232.html.

 For this case I think I will try to invert the logic and get rid of the
 ORs:
 not(A or B) = not(A) and not(B).

 Best regards,
 TL




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Re: [rules-users] Moving comment in DSLR file causes issue under 5.3

2012-07-25 Thread drdaveg
Thanks.  I think this is actualy a bug in 5.3.  I wonder if there is an issue
with the mvel getting unsynchronized as files get larger?

The # should indicate a comment and  should indicate something passed thru
to DROOLS directly.  So almost the entire rule is commented out.  I am
particuarly puzzled why moving the offending statement to the left hand side
removes the 2 errors - fp1 cannot be resolved to a variable and x cannot
be resolved to a variable.



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Re: [rules-users] Slow compilation (4h) for a single rule

2012-07-25 Thread Edson Tirelli
   Listen to what others are saying in this thread... it is very good
advice, specially what wolfgang suggests bellow regarding collapsing evals.

   Also, I just read the example in your link where you have multiple
accumulates in a single rule... that is *bad*

   For those that attended or saw my presentation on best practices, an
easy way to estimate the performance of accumulates is to remember that the
performance of accumulates in a single rule is polinomial: O(n^a), where
n is the number of matching facts and a is the number of accumulates
you have in the same rule.

   So, if you have 1 rule with 5 accumulates, the performance will be n^5.
If instead you break the accumulates into 5 rules with one accumulate each,
you get a performance of O(5n) that is much better.

   Edson

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Wolfgang Laun wolfgang.l...@gmail.comwrote:

 A last effort from my side.

 Given any number of bound variables a, b, c: to determine whether an
 arbitrary boolean expression involving arithmetic and comparison
 operators, a single eval() is sufficient and preferable to a CE
 combination involving the CE operators and, or, not combining
 many evals.

 Instead of
not( eval( a == 1 ) )
 use
eval( ! (a == 1) )  // or better
eval( a != 0 )

 Instead of
 eval( a == 1 ) or eval( b == 1 )
 use
eval( a == 1 || b == 1 )

 Instead of
 eval( a == 1 ) and eval( b == 1 )
 use
eval( a == 1  b == 1 )

 -W

 On 25/07/2012, fx242 dro...@fx242.com wrote:
  Thanks for your explanation Edson, it makes sense now I think!
  Basically what you are saying is that there is a limit, beyond which is
 no
  longer feasible to use more ORs on a rule.
 
 
  Edson Tirelli-4 wrote
 
  You are trying to avoid the issue. As reported by others, your
  conditions should be inside the patterns, not in or'd evals in the
 end,
  and yes, it is possible to generate rules like that in an automated
  program.
 
 
  Sadly I don't see how, as some of my rules have arbitrary arithmetic
  involving more than one variable inside the Number(), for more context
 see
  the example I've put on
 
 http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/drools-arithmetics-without-eval-td3823232.html
 .
 
  For this case I think I will try to invert the logic and get rid of the
  ORs:
  not(A or B) = not(A) and not(B).
 
  Best regards,
  TL
 
 
 
 
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Re: [rules-users] Slow compilation (4h) for a single rule

2012-07-25 Thread fx242
Thank you all for your feedback, I will try to implement at least the part of
collapsing the multiple evals() into a single one.


Edson Tirelli-4 wrote
 
Also, I just read the example in your link where you have multiple
 accumulates in a single rule... that is *bad*
 
The accumulate() over-usage is a known problem for me, but so far the best
solution for my case was proposed by Vincent Legendre on this 
http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/drools-arithmetics-without-eval-tp3823232p3825280.html
post . 
As a comic note, the previous rule with the 26 ORs, had 26 accumulates on it
:)

Best regards,
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Re: [rules-users] Guvnor search for rules based on fact attributes

2012-07-25 Thread Michael Anstis
drools-verifier (the scaffolding thereof at least) could be used in
principle.

drools-verifier builds an AST of a rule's definition that is then evaluated
by some bundled validation\verification rules.

In principle you could use the AST and your own rules to perform a search.

Guvnor uses JCR and Lucene to perform the search based on the rules'
content (sometimes DRL sometimes XML, depending on how the rule is
expressed internally).

You could, in principle, extend this however you're not really getting
anything better than regex on the DRL with the associated issues you have
already identified.

Lots of in principles but worth a look... :)

With kind regards,

Mike

On 25 July 2012 11:02, Stephen Masters stephen.mast...@me.com wrote:

 Hi folks,

 I have been asked by my current client to evaluate search functionality
 which could in essence search for rules which are affected by a particular
 fact value.

 For example, if we have a number of rules similar to the following format:

 when
 $req : TradeRequest(account = 10, buyCurrency = 'EUR', buyAmount 
 500)
 then
 TradeValidationResponse response = new TradeValidationResponse();
 response.setPermitted(false);
 response.setMessage(Account 10 is not permitted to trade more
 than 500 EUR);
 insert(response);
 end

 What the client is interested in is being able to search for all rules
 which have been defined for account 10.

 I was thinking to mess around with a rather quick and dirty solution to
 grab the package source via the REST interface and pattern match rules in a
 very hard-coded way for this specific use-case. However, that does look
 like a rather fragile way of achieving this.

 So I was wondering whether anybody had looked at this sort of idea
 previously and might have thoughts on a 'better' or more generic solution,
 which wouldn't be massively complicated. I was thinking that it might be
 nice to extend the search mechanism in Guvnor so that I could pick a fact
 from the model and do a search for all rules which are based on the value
 of an attribute. However, every time I think about how that could be
 achieved, it seems I come up with new ways in which it would become really
 difficult to pull off.

 Any thoughts?

 Cheers,

 Steve

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Re: [rules-users] Remove rule but timer still fires

2012-07-25 Thread Ladd
I just noticed a very similar observation in this JIRA entry:
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBRULES-3078

When I ran that test case with 5.4.0.Final it worked as it should (the timer
didn't continue to fire).  The difference is that the this test case is
calling:

kbase.removeRule( pkgName, ruleName );

where I'm calling:

org.drools.rule.Package pkg;

pkg.removeRule( rule );


Changing my code to call kbase.removeRule() got rid of the timer!!  Awesome!

- Ladd



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Re: [rules-users] Compiled rules differ KnowledgeAgent vs ResourceChangeScanner

2012-07-25 Thread lhorton
I posted a JIRA for this bug:  

https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBRULES-3584
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBRULES-3584 

I attached a zip file of a Netbeans project that reproduces the bug and also
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Re: [rules-users] Compiled rules differ KnowledgeAgent vs ResourceChangeScanner

2012-07-25 Thread lhorton
I had time to download 5.4.0 Final this morning and using the current
release, my unit tests pass.  Sorry to waste people's time with a bug on an
old release.  Maybe this thread will be useful to others who have older
release levels.



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[rules-users] Drools Planner JIT selectors

2012-07-25 Thread Ricardo
I learned from the following link, this sounds very good for performance,
this is available from 5.5 only,  when can we expect the Drools Planner 5.5.
Do you have any idea about the release date?

http://planet.jboss.org/post/scaling_planner_with_jit_selectors_in_memory_consumption_and_performance

thanks,



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[rules-users] Diff between Drools opensource and Redhat BRMS

2012-07-25 Thread wbohrer
I couldn't find a FAQ, so please don't hate on me if this is one of those
questions :-)

Quick question:  What do you get with Redhat BRMS that you don't get from
the opensource version of Drools and Guvnor?  Is the only difference
support?

thanks,
Bill Bohrer
BRMS architect/analyst
Texas Education Agency



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Re: [rules-users] Diff between Drools opensource and Redhat BRMS

2012-07-25 Thread Mark Proctor
It's a little out of date now (2011), as jBPM5 is now supported in 
BRMS5.3. But the essence of the article is the same.
http://blog.athico.com/2011/04/drools-jbpm-community-versus-product.html

Mark
On 25/07/2012 22:35, wbohrer wrote:
 I couldn't find a FAQ, so please don't hate on me if this is one of those
 questions :-)

 Quick question:  What do you get with Redhat BRMS that you don't get from
 the opensource version of Drools and Guvnor?  Is the only difference
 support?

 thanks,
 Bill Bohrer
 BRMS architect/analyst
 Texas Education Agency



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