Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Multiple versions of SageMath's documentation online

2016-08-22 Thread Samuel Lelievre 


Le lundi 22 août 2016 16:53:56 UTC+2, Nicolas M. Thiery a écrit :
>
>Dear Samuel, Frédéric, Harald, 
>
> Sorry for the slow answer; I am just back from vacations. 
>
> Thanks Sam, Frédéric for the pings! 
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:46:08PM +0200, Samuel Lelièvre wrote: 
> >This post on sage-devel 
> >[1]
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/NJSAQTjhIWE/NWbqC8xOAQAJ 
> >has a part (which I'm copying below for convenience) about 
> >SageMath's documentation at [2]combinat.sagemath.org/doc. 
> >Does anybody here have some insight about these questions? 
>
> >- Excerpt from the sage-devel post at 
> >[3]
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/NJSAQTjhIWE/NWbqC8xOAQAJ 
> >2. SageMath's developer manual at [4]combinat.sagemath.org/doc/ 
> >reference 
> >This sage-devel thread 
> > 
> >  [5]https://groups.google.com/d/topic/sage-devel/cCGobP2AgwM/ 
> >discussion 
> >is concerned with the fact that another version of SageMath's 
> >reference manual also lives at 
> >  [6]http://combinat.sagemath.org/doc/reference 
> >and that (given the trouble we are having in getting Google to 
> properly 
> >index the documentation at [7]doc.sagemath.org), queries in Google 
> >search 
> >give search engine results at [8]combinat.sagemath.org/doc, rather 
> than 
> >at [9]doc.sagemath.org. 
> >In addition, it seems that the version of the documentation at 
> >[10]combinat.sagemath.org/doc corresponds to SageMath 6.3 
> >, while SageMath is now at 7.3. 
> >Combinat people, 
> >- is there a use for hosting SageMath's documentation at 
> >  [11]combinat.sagemath.org/doc and should it be updated to 7.3? 
> >- does this version have extra stuff from the combinat queue? 
> >- who is in charge? 
>
> - This documentation is compiled with an old Sage with the patches 
>   from the legacy Sage-Combinat queue applied. 
>
> - It was occasionally useful, as there are some thematic tutorials 
>   that have not yet been integrated into Sage. 
>

Yes, for instance
http://combinat.sagemath.org/doc/thematic_tutorials/demo-cython.html
which now gives "Not Found" due to the redirect.
 

> - The documentation cannot be updated to 7.3, as the patches don't 
>   apply anymore. 
>
> - It was hosted in the user directory of 
>   comb...@combinat.sagemath.org ; Anne, Florent and myself 
> have the 
>   ssh keys for that account. 
>
> I see that combinat.sagemath.org/doc is now redirected to the main 
> Sage documentation. Given the issues the old doc was causing with 
> google searches, I guess that's fair enough.
>

I guess once the Google indexing of doc.sagemath.org is solved,
we should probably remove this redirection.

It would be worth to open a Sage trac ticket dedicated
to moving the sage-combinat tutorials into Sage proper.

Samuel

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[sage-combinat-devel] Re: Multiple versions of SageMath's documentation online

2016-08-22 Thread leif 
Nicolas M. Thiery wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:46:08PM +0200, Samuel Lelièvre wrote:
>>(SNIP)
>>In addition, it seems that the version of the documentation at
>>[10]combinat.sagemath.org/doc corresponds to SageMath 6.3
>>, while SageMath is now at 7.3.
>>Combinat people,
>>- is there a use for hosting SageMath's documentation at
>>  [11]combinat.sagemath.org/doc and should it be updated to 7.3?
>>- does this version have extra stuff from the combinat queue?
>>- who is in charge?
> 
> - This documentation is compiled with an old Sage with the patches
>   from the legacy Sage-Combinat queue applied.
> 
> - It was occasionally useful, as there are some thematic tutorials
>   that have not yet been integrated into Sage.
> 
> - The documentation cannot be updated to 7.3, as the patches don't
>   apply anymore.
> 
> - It was hosted in the user directory of
>   combi...@combinat.sagemath.org; Anne, Florent and myself have the
>   ssh keys for that account.

Is public.gmane.org at all still up?

Samuel pointed me to [1] just yesterday.  (Gmane's web interface has
meanwhile gone, will perhaps return if others take over; luckily NNTP is
still there.)


-leif

[1] https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/


> I see that combinat.sagemath.org/doc is now redirected to the main
> Sage documentation. Given the issues the old doc was causing with
> google searches, I guess that's fair enough.
> 
> Cheers,
>   Nicolas
> --
> Nicolas M. Thiéry "Isil" 
> http://Nicolas.Thiery.name/


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Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Multiple versions of SageMath's documentation online

2016-08-22 Thread Nicolas M. Thiery 
Dear Samuel, Frédéric, Harald,

Sorry for the slow answer; I am just back from vacations.

Thanks Sam, Frédéric for the pings!

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:46:08PM +0200, Samuel Lelièvre wrote:
>This post on sage-devel
>[1]https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/NJSAQTjhIWE/NWbqC8xOAQAJ
>has a part (which I'm copying below for convenience) about
>SageMath's documentation at [2]combinat.sagemath.org/doc.
>Does anybody here have some insight about these questions?

>- Excerpt from the sage-devel post at
>[3]https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/NJSAQTjhIWE/NWbqC8xOAQAJ
>2. SageMath's developer manual at [4]combinat.sagemath.org/doc/
>reference
>This sage-devel thread
> 
>  [5]https://groups.google.com/d/topic/sage-devel/cCGobP2AgwM/
>discussion
>is concerned with the fact that another version of SageMath's
>reference manual also lives at
>  [6]http://combinat.sagemath.org/doc/reference
>and that (given the trouble we are having in getting Google to properly
>index the documentation at [7]doc.sagemath.org), queries in Google
>search
>give search engine results at [8]combinat.sagemath.org/doc, rather than
>at [9]doc.sagemath.org.
>In addition, it seems that the version of the documentation at
>[10]combinat.sagemath.org/doc corresponds to SageMath 6.3
>, while SageMath is now at 7.3.
>Combinat people,
>- is there a use for hosting SageMath's documentation at
>  [11]combinat.sagemath.org/doc and should it be updated to 7.3?
>- does this version have extra stuff from the combinat queue?
>- who is in charge?

- This documentation is compiled with an old Sage with the patches
  from the legacy Sage-Combinat queue applied.

- It was occasionally useful, as there are some thematic tutorials
  that have not yet been integrated into Sage.

- The documentation cannot be updated to 7.3, as the patches don't
  apply anymore.

- It was hosted in the user directory of
  combi...@combinat.sagemath.org; Anne, Florent and myself have the
  ssh keys for that account.

I see that combinat.sagemath.org/doc is now redirected to the main
Sage documentation. Given the issues the old doc was causing with
google searches, I guess that's fair enough.

Cheers,
Nicolas
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http://Nicolas.Thiery.name/

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