[sage-devel] Sage 3.2.3 on Solaris with working notebook, but some broken tests
Hi, I finally fixed the main usability bug in Sage on Solaris, i.e that the notebook was completely busted. It turned out to be an issue libgcrypt, but all details are at http://wiki.sagemath.org/solaris/sage-3.2.3 A same session - up until now this would just hang before twisted even started up. I will post a binary for 32 bit SSE2 Solaris 10 binary soon - so keep an eye on the main Solaris porting page at http://wiki.sagemath.org/solaris If you want to take it for a spin and give me feedback this would be very welcome. Note that the Singular interface still deadlocks on large input due to some issue with passing input via file as well as sympow not working. Other than that it is in a fairly usable state. Cheers, Michael Exiting SAGE (CPU time 0m0.04s, Wall time 1m27.04s). -bash-3.00$ uname -a SunOS fulvia 5.10 Generic_127128-11 i86pc i386 i86pc -bash-3.00$ ./sage -- | Sage Version 3.2.3.final, Release Date: 2009-01-02 | | Type notebook() for the GUI, and license() for information.| -- sage: notebook() The notebook files are stored in: /home/mabshoff/.sage//sage_notebook ** ** * Open your web browser to http://localhost:8000 * ** ** 2009-01-08 03:26:40-0500 [-] Log opened. 2009-01-08 03:26:40-0500 [-] twistd 8.1.0 (/home/mabshoff/ build-3.2.3.final/sage-3.2.3.final-fulvia/local/bin/python 2.5.2) starting up 2009-01-08 03:26:40-0500 [-] reactor class: class 'twisted.internet.selectreactor.SelectReactor' 2009-01-08 03:26:40-0500 [-] twisted.web2.channel.http.HTTPFactory starting on 8000 2009-01-08 03:26:40-0500 [-] Starting factory twisted.web2.channel.http.HTTPFactory instance at 0x8ddc9ec ^C2009-01-08 03:26:48-0500 [-] Saving notebook... 2009-01-08 03:26:48-0500 [-] Notebook cleanly saved. 2009-01-08 03:26:48-0500 [-] Saving notebook... 2009-01-08 03:26:48-0500 [-] Notebook cleanly saved. 2009-01-08 03:26:48-0500 [-] (Port 8000 Closed) 2009-01-08 03:26:48-0500 [-] Stopping factory twisted.web2.channel.http.HTTPFactory instance at 0x8ddc9ec 2009-01-08 03:26:48-0500 [-] Main loop terminated. 2009-01-08 03:26:48-0500 [-] Server Shut Down. True sage: --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Sage wiki down for now
Hi, the Sage wiki is down for now again since it has been acting up again by consuming up to 23 GB RAM, i.e. pushing itself up to 16 GB into swap. I am not sure what happens, but once it happens all the sudden it consumes about 0.1% of the available RAM *per* second. I have pinged #moinmoin and hopefully in the morning we will get some feedback what is up. Sorry for the downtime, but given the choice between sagemath.org DOSed by the wiki or no wiki the choice was clear. Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.2.3 on Solaris with working notebook, but some broken tests
SNIP A same session - up until now this would just hang before twisted even started up. I will post a binary for 32 bit SSE2 Solaris 10 binary soon - so keep an eye on the main Solaris porting page at http://wiki.sagemath.org/solaris The wiki is flaky at the moment, it is up, but I might it shut down again once I figure out what is happening. So here is the info: The 556MB tarball is at http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mabshoff/release-cycles-3.2.3/sage-3.2.3-x86-sse2-solaris10-beta.tar.gz This includes the complere toolchain I used to build this, so if you want to do development on this snapshot it is pretty much self contained. Just in case the md5sum 6845a3345d9cd824f046d9bd2f838b49 sage-3.2.3-x86-sse2-solaris10- beta.tar.gz If you care about Solaris please give this build a spin and let me know how it works for you. As mentioned there is some trouble with symmetrica, sympow and Singular's pexpect interface, but aside from that it should work fairly well. The more feedback you give the faster this will become usable :) Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:21 AM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, the Sage wiki is down for now again since it has been acting up again by consuming up to 23 GB RAM, i.e. pushing itself up to 16 GB into swap. I am not sure what happens, but once it happens all the sudden it consumes about 0.1% of the available RAM *per* second. I have pinged #moinmoin and hopefully in the morning we will get some feedback what is up. Sorry for the downtime, but given the choice between sagemath.org DOSed by the wiki or no wiki the choice was clear. Since the wiki is running now, maybe you could update this message? Also, assuming that the above situation were the case, it would be best to use ulimit to run the wiki, so that it would get auto-killed if it exceeded say 8GB RAM, then just restart it (that would be an easy few-lines script). -- William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
2009/1/8 mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com: Hi, the Sage wiki is down for now again since it has been acting up again by consuming up to 23 GB RAM, i.e. pushing itself up to 16 GB into swap. I am not sure what happens, but once it happens all the sudden it consumes about 0.1% of the available RAM *per* second. I have pinged #moinmoin and hopefully in the morning we will get some feedback what is up. Sorry for the downtime, but given the choice between sagemath.org DOSed by the wiki or no wiki the choice was clear. Cheers, Michael Perhaps it's time to upgrade to something that scales better than moinmoin? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
On Jan 8, 9:43 am, Conrad Meyer konrad.me...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Hi, Perhaps it's time to upgrade to something that scales better than moinmoin? Well, this is not a scalability issue, but a bug. And there is more at play here than scalability, i.e. mediawiki is way more work to set up and keep up to date security wise. Just in case: What do you have in mind? Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
On Jan 8, 8:13 am, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:21 AM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, the Sage wiki is down for now again since it has been acting up again by consuming up to 23 GB RAM, i.e. pushing itself up to 16 GB into swap. I am not sure what happens, but once it happens all the sudden it consumes about 0.1% of the available RAM *per* second. I have pinged #moinmoin and hopefully in the morning we will get some feedback what is up. Sorry for the downtime, but given the choice between sagemath.org DOSed by the wiki or no wiki the choice was clear. Since the wiki is running now, maybe you could update this message? The issue is still not fixed, so I would wait until we know better. But the way it look right now the wiki will stay up. Also, assuming that the above situation were the case, it would be best to use ulimit to run the wiki, so that it would get auto-killed if it exceeded say 8GB RAM, then just restart it (that would be an easy few-lines script). I did something like that, but limited it to about 1GB. And it has stayed up since without restarts. Something strange is going on here, i.e. his happened twice in a day after many weeks of working fine after the last time we had trouble. I got some thoughts what is wrong, but I will share those later. -- William Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
2009/1/8 mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com: On Jan 8, 9:43 am, Conrad Meyer konrad.me...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Hi, Perhaps it's time to upgrade to something that scales better than moinmoin? Well, this is not a scalability issue, but a bug. And there is more at play here than scalability, i.e. mediawiki is way more work to set up and keep up to date security wise. Just in case: What do you have in mind? Cheers, Michael All the same, MoinMoin scales *horribly*. I didn't have a specific replacement in mind, though over at Fedora we recently transitioned from MoinMoin to Mediawiki specifically because MoinMoin was becoming too slow. If you can get MoinMoin to use a database it might not be so bad but last I heard it only supports flat files for storage. Regards, -- Conrad --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.2.3 on Solaris with working notebook, but some broken tests
Is this only for solaris/x86? Is there a version working for solaris/sparc? Thanks. -Adrian. On Jan 8, 4:10 am, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP A same session - up until now this would just hang before twisted even started up. I will post a binary for 32 bit SSE2 Solaris 10 binary soon - so keep an eye on the main Solaris porting page at http://wiki.sagemath.org/solaris The wiki is flaky at the moment, it is up, but I might it shut down again once I figure out what is happening. So here is the info: The 556MB tarball is at http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mabshoff/release-cycles-3.2.3/sa... This includes the complere toolchain I used to build this, so if you want to do development on this snapshot it is pretty much self contained. Just in case the md5sum 6845a3345d9cd824f046d9bd2f838b49 sage-3.2.3-x86-sse2-solaris10- beta.tar.gz If you care about Solaris please give this build a spin and let me know how it works for you. As mentioned there is some trouble with symmetrica, sympow and Singular's pexpect interface, but aside from that it should work fairly well. The more feedback you give the faster this will become usable :) Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
On Jan 8, 10:16 am, Conrad Meyer konrad.me...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/8 mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com: SNIP Hi Conrad, Perhaps it's time to upgrade to something that scales better than moinmoin? Well, this is not a scalability issue, but a bug. And there is more at play here than scalability, i.e. mediawiki is way more work to set up and keep up to date security wise. Just in case: What do you have in mind? Cheers, Michael All the same, MoinMoin scales *horribly*. Sure, no secret there. But we are getting a couple thousand hits a day on the wiki on a busy day, so scalability is not really a problem. Once we are closer to achieving world domination I guess we would need to reevaluate our options :) I didn't have a specific replacement in mind, though over at Fedora we recently transitioned from MoinMoin to Mediawiki specifically because MoinMoin was becoming too slow. If you can get MoinMoin to use a database it might not be so bad but last I heard it only supports flat files for storage. Sure, but the fact that moinmoin just works without the need for any configuration of a sql database is a killer feature since it might not be a problem for some people on this list to set up mysql and so on properly, but many, many Sage users will not even know what a sql db is and not even care enough to attempt to find out what it is. They just want something that works and so far for 100% of the Sage users it seems that moinmoin scales well enough :). One example: It has emerged from the AMS 2009 meeting that the installation of the VMWare player is a hurdle many people will not get over, so that is a barrier for the adoption of Sage. While you and me are probably snickering a little since this is trivial most people want to use software, not learn how to install it and so on. Not that you ever claimed anything like this, but it is kind of like gear heads talking about cars: If I get this carburator/shocks/ $INSERT_CAR_PART installed it would be so much better to drive $FOO/ get much better fuel efficiency (note that I don't have any clue about cars), but the vast majority of people use their car to get from point A to B and if the warning lights go on they go to a garage to make somebody else deal with it. But if they had to do difficult tasks to even get a particular brand of car started many of those people would just chose another brand. With Sage we have to get to the same utility level as this and the VMWare image is a problem now, just like using 7zip instead of zip to compress the VMWare image proved a major issue with non-technical users in the past. So even though the zip archive was roughly 60% larger than the 7zip one we switched back to zip. And back then I thought that this was a bad move and we should not cater to users who cannot read the simple README.txt pointing out where to download 7zip and so on, but now I see the error of my ways :) Regards, -- Conrad Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: sage and TinyMCE
On Jan 7, 7:05 pm, David Joyner wdjoy...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: Hi everyone, There was another request on sage-edu for a nice way to edit text cells in the notebook. Patches which enable a very nice in-place wysiwyg Hi David, Just to emphasize the importance (and not meaning to hijack the thread): There was also a request by Mike May at the booth for this too. Mike May, if you don't know, is a huge resource for people who teach using Maple, as he has tons of great Maple worksheets on his website. Nice, I took a look and the worksheets are pretty nice. I hope and think I convinced him that Sage is the way to go and he plans to test out Sage this semester before giving it to his students. (He seemed inclined anyway, so I just strongly encouraged his own idea.) However, he explained clearly how he teaches and that he needs the students to be able to *easily* edit the text he types into the worksheets. I've forgotten why - maybe he used the cell for computation and asks the students to enter their answer as text in a grammatically correct sentence. If Mike May does in fact switch over to Sage, this will be a huge benefit, IMHO, since he is well-known in the Maple community, so this will be a sign of confidence in Sage as a teaching platform by a widely respected teacher, and also will be a great resource for really high quality teaching materials down the road. He also agreed that the CC attribution license is acceptable to him for his maple-Sage translated worksheets, if he agrees to switch to Sage. (I spent some time trying to talk him out of the non-commercial CC version, which I hope was successful.) :) editor for text cells are sitting on trac waiting to be reviewed. Some people have reviewed them and found them to work well. I'm not sure how much review is needed before they pass the test and are merged (the patches touch a lot of notebook and javascript code). If anyone can test them, I'm pleading for more reviews (at least, I think that's the stage they are stuck at now). I believe the main concerns are making sure that the patches work on a variety of platforms/browsers. Another concern that has been expressed is a review of the javascript code (for example, the notebook AJAX communication code was replaced with jquery function calls). I think that the editor is just as important as the @interact in the notebook. So if we could find some more people to test the patches we can get them into the next release. As long as they don't break any existing functionality I would think that even if the editor support is slightly broken on some platforms it should still go in. The patch has been around for a while and resolving this would make life easier for everyone. Instructions for applying the patches are below and at the bottom of the ticket athttp://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/4705. Note that some of these tickets have cleaned-up spkgs from mabshoff (listed at the bottom of the relevant ticket) that should be tested instead of the spkgs listed in the email below. Thanks, Jason Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: syntax highlighting in notebook textareas
On Jan 6, 1:33 am, bsdz blai...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, Hi Blair, I dabbled a little with the vmware version of Sage and was able to install EditArea, a javascript syntax highlighting library (http://www.cdolivet.net/index.php?page=editArea). It is quite useful when editing Python and can be turned on or off. It also allows callbacks so pressing the save button can run evaluate_cell. It might be an alternative to using the It's All Text Firefox plug-in. SNIP Details Hope it might be useful. Blair You might want to check out the discussion at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/a4ba0ed228e220c5 about adding support for TinyMCE. It seems that it doesn't support syntax highlighting, but that might be an orthogonal issue anyway. At http://www.spencerkellis.net/articles.php?post=merging-google-syntax-highlighter-and-tinymce there is a link to a html syntax highlight plugin for TinyMCE, so there might be something similar for Python. But I guess it is worth checking out, especially if is an an feature one can easily turn on and off. Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
Sure, but the fact that moinmoin just works without the need for any configuration of a sql database is a killer feature since it might not be a problem for some people on this list to set up mysql and so on properly, but many, many Sage users will not even know what a sql db is and not even care enough to attempt to find out what it is. They just want something that works and so far for 100% of the Sage users it seems that moinmoin scales well enough :). Hi, out of curiosity: Are there people out there who actually use the wiki from their Sage install? It would never occur to me to do that and I always found it a bit strange that we ship a wiki software. So, are there endusers of the wiki bundled with Sage? Martin -- name: Martin Albrecht _pgp: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x8EF0DC99 _otr: 47F43D1A 5D68C36F 468BAEBA 640E8856 D7951CCF _www: http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~malb _jab: martinralbre...@jabber.ccc.de --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
2009/1/8 mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com: On Jan 8, 10:16 am, Conrad Meyer konrad.me...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't have a specific replacement in mind, though over at Fedora we recently transitioned from MoinMoin to Mediawiki specifically because MoinMoin was becoming too slow. If you can get MoinMoin to use a database it might not be so bad but last I heard it only supports flat files for storage. Sure, but the fact that moinmoin just works without the need for any configuration of a sql database is a killer feature since it might not be a problem for some people on this list to set up mysql and so on properly, but many, many Sage users will not even know what a sql db is and not even care enough to attempt to find out what it is. They just want something that works and so far for 100% of the Sage users it seems that moinmoin scales well enough :). One example: It has emerged from the AMS 2009 meeting that the installation of the VMWare player is a hurdle many people will not get over, so that is a barrier for the adoption of Sage. While you and me are probably snickering a little since this is trivial most people want to use software, not learn how to install it and so on. Michael Ah, I meant the wiki on the site, not the wiki shipped with Sage. I wasn't aware Sage shipped a wiki -- if it does, MoinMoin certainly makes sense for that. -- Conrad --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
On Jan 8, 12:42 pm, Conrad Meyer konrad.me...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/8 mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com: Hi, Ah, I meant the wiki on the site, not the wiki shipped with Sage. I wasn't aware Sage shipped a wiki -- if it does, MoinMoin certainly makes sense for that. Yes, I agree that this is a special case. Even though now I think that setting things up independently of Sage might be less work in the long term since we can more easily customize things. On the other hand I don't want to do the work, so I am not seeing this change any time soon. -- Conrad Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage wiki down for now
On Jan 8, 12:29 pm, Martin Albrecht m...@informatik.uni-bremen.de wrote: Hi Martin, Sure, but the fact that moinmoin just works without the need for any configuration of a sql database is a killer feature since it might not be a problem for some people on this list to set up mysql and so on properly, but many, many Sage users will not even know what a sql db is and not even care enough to attempt to find out what it is. They just want something that works and so far for 100% of the Sage users it seems that moinmoin scales well enough :). Hi, out of curiosity: Are there people out there who actually use the wiki from their Sage install? It would never occur to me to do that and I always found it a bit strange that we ship a wiki software. So, are there endusers of the wiki bundled with Sage? Martin I asked the same question a while back and William told me that there are actually people who installed Sage just for the moinmoin wiki came with it since it just worked. Our version also ships with jsmath already properly configured, so this seems to be a big plus as well. It is certainly not very well advertised that we ship a wiki with Sage and given its size I don't think the benefit of removing it will outweigh its small size. Cheers, Michael -- name: Martin Albrecht _pgp:http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x8EF0DC99 _otr: 47F43D1A 5D68C36F 468BAEBA 640E8856 D7951CCF _www:http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~malb _jab: martinralbre...@jabber.ccc.de --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: sage and TinyMCE
Please do not distribute this, since it is work in progress. You just sent the worksheet to a public mailinglist with 752 members. Furthermore, your attachment is available for download here: http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/a4ba0ed228e220c5 i.e. your work is already distributed considerably :) Martin -- name: Martin Albrecht _pgp: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x8EF0DC99 _otr: 47F43D1A 5D68C36F 468BAEBA 640E8856 D7951CCF _www: http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~malb _jab: martinralbre...@jabber.ccc.de --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: sage and TinyMCE
Oh well... On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Martin Albrecht m...@informatik.uni-bremen.de wrote: Please do not distribute this, since it is work in progress. You just sent the worksheet to a public mailinglist with 752 members. Furthermore, your attachment is available for download here: http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/a4ba0ed228e220c5 i.e. your work is already distributed considerably :) Martin -- name: Martin Albrecht _pgp: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x8EF0DC99 _otr: 47F43D1A 5D68C36F 468BAEBA 640E8856 D7951CCF _www: http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~malb _jab: martinralbre...@jabber.ccc.de -- The main things which seem to me important on their own account, and not merely as means to other things, are knowledge, art, instinctive happiness, and relations of friendship or affection. -Bertrand Russell L. Felipe Martins Department of Mathematics Cleveland State University luizfelipe.mart...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: sage and TinyMCE
On Jan 8, 2:21 pm, Luiz Felipe Martins luizfelipe.mart...@gmail.com wrote: Oh well... Yeah, I kind of wandered about this myself and we could in theory delete that particular message from sage-devel. But since this list is archived elsewhere there is no point to do this and I would greatly prefer not to change/delete any messages here anyway. Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: syntax highlighting in notebook textareas
I must admit I did consider TinyMCE amongst many others but I liked EditArea since it could syntax highlight python code. Other highlighters either didn't allow editing or didn't have built in python lexers. I notice the other thread has recently become more active so I may follow that. Thanks for the update. On 8 Jan, 20:24, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: On Jan 6, 1:33 am, bsdz blai...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, Hi Blair, I dabbled a little with the vmware version of Sage and was able to install EditArea, a javascript syntax highlighting library (http://www.cdolivet.net/index.php?page=editArea). It is quite useful when editing Python and can be turned on or off. It also allows callbacks so pressing the save button can run evaluate_cell. It might be an alternative to using the It's All Text Firefox plug-in. SNIP Details Hope it might be useful. Blair You might want to check out the discussion athttp://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/a4ba0e... about adding support for TinyMCE. It seems that it doesn't support syntax highlighting, but that might be an orthogonal issue anyway. At http://www.spencerkellis.net/articles.php?post=merging-google-syntax-... there is a link to a html syntax highlight plugin for TinyMCE, so there might be something similar for Python. But I guess it is worth checking out, especially if is an an feature one can easily turn on and off. Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: sage and TinyMCE
That's ok, not to worry. Actually I just want people to keep in mind it is something unfinished. Perhaps in retrospect I should have waited one day to post it. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:26 PM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: On Jan 8, 2:21 pm, Luiz Felipe Martins luizfelipe.mart...@gmail.com wrote: Oh well... Yeah, I kind of wandered about this myself and we could in theory delete that particular message from sage-devel. But since this list is archived elsewhere there is no point to do this and I would greatly prefer not to change/delete any messages here anyway. Cheers, Michael -- The main things which seem to me important on their own account, and not merely as means to other things, are knowledge, art, instinctive happiness, and relations of friendship or affection. -Bertrand Russell L. Felipe Martins Department of Mathematics Cleveland State University luizfelipe.mart...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: building with 512MB RAM?
On Jan 8, 2:33 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Hi, One of the virtual machines I use for building Sage has 512MB RAM and is running Linux CentOS 64-bit. In trying to build Sage it gets to linbox: g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../.. -I../.. -I. -I../../linbox -g -I/home/wstein/build/centos64/build/sage-3.2.3/local/include/linbox -I/home/wstein/build/centos64/build/sage-3.2.3/local/include -O2 -DDISABLE_COMMENTATOR -I/home/wstein/build/centos64/build/sage-3.2.3/local/include -I/home/wstein/build/centos64/build/sage-3.2.3/local/include -I/home/wstein/build/centos64/build/sage-3.2.3/local/include -g -fPIC -I/home/wstein/build/centos64/build/sage-3.2.3/local/include -I/home/wstein/build/centos64/build/sage-3.2.3/local/include/linbox -L/home/wstein/build/centos64/build/sage-3.2.3/local/lib -I/home/wstein/build/centos64/build/sage-3.2.3/spkg/build/linbox-1.1.6/src -I/home/wstein/build/centos64/build/sage-3.2.3/spkg/build/linbox-1.1.6/src/ linbox -I/home/wstein/build/centos64/build/sage-3.2.3/local/include -I/home/wstein/build/centos64/build/sage-3.2.3/local/include -D__LINBOX_HAVE_CBLAS -c linbox-sage.C -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/linbox-sage.o [... sits here for at least 24 hours...] Note that there is only 512MB RAM allocated to this machine (obviously I'll increase this at some point). Yeah. wst...@centos64:~/build/centos64/build/sage-3.2.3$ free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 510788 189260 321528 0 39452 87596 Question: Do you think the Sage prereq check at the very beginning should simply refuse to try to build sage if the user has less than 1GB RAM? Or, at a minimum, it could give a huge warning, and have an environment variable that one can set to get around this constraint? The gcc memory requirements are not consistent, i.e. gcc 3.4.x does compile the LinBox extension using about 350 MB peak or so. For gcc 4.x it seems that maybe 750 MB is peak consumption. So I am not sure what to do, i.e. if we make this dependent on the gcc version used we should maybe print a big, fat warning, but go on to build. William Cheers, Michael -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washingtonhttp://wstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: sage and TinyMCE
mabshoff wrote: I think that the editor is just as important as the @interact in the notebook. So if we could find some more people to test the patches we can get them into the next release. As long as they don't break any existing functionality I would think that even if the editor support is slightly broken on some platforms it should still go in. The patch has been around for a while and resolving this would make life easier for everyone. Can someone official make a list of requirements on this ticket to get into Sage (i.e., a list of platforms people need to try it on, so many people per platform, whatever). I would, but I'm afraid it'd be a bit biased :). Thanks, Jason --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: sage and TinyMCE
On Jan 8, 3:22 pm, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: mabshoff wrote: I think that the editor is just as important as the @interact in the notebook. So if we could find some more people to test the patches we can get them into the next release. As long as they don't break any existing functionality I would think that even if the editor support is slightly broken on some platforms it should still go in. The patch has been around for a while and resolving this would make life easier for everyone. Can someone official make a list of requirements on this ticket to get into Sage (i.e., a list of platforms people need to try it on, so many people per platform, whatever). I would, but I'm afraid it'd be a bit biased :). Well, my personal POV: (a) testing with IE 6, IE 7 Windows (b) testing with FF 2.0.x, 3.x on Windows, OSX and Linux (c) testing with Safari on 10.4 and 10.5 (d) testing with Opera 9.5 on Windows, OSX, Linux (e) Chrome on Windows Obviously this is rather harsh, so if we covered all five major browsers somehow this would be enough for me assuming the patches themselves get a positive review and everything is working *after* we delete the javascript from the ext repo since there is potentially a reference to some code in there. Some of the above has already been tested and confirmed to work. Maybe you can grab a couple people at the AMS meeting and make them review this patch :) I think all the spkgs are covered and it would be nice if someone can review the changes I made to some of them. Then I would take care of the rest. In the end having your assurance that you will available to fix some of the inevitable issues would also be assuring. Thanks, Jason Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: syntax highlighting in notebook textareas
On Jan 8, 2:34 pm, bsdz blai...@googlemail.com wrote: I must admit I did consider TinyMCE amongst many others but I liked EditArea since it could syntax highlight python code. Other highlighters either didn't allow editing or didn't have built in python lexers. I notice the other thread has recently become more active so I may follow that. Thanks for the update. Sure. I think that what you want is still orthogonal to the TinyMCE effort, but having another edit widget in the tree just for highlighting ought to be well thought out and the burden of maintenance must be taken into account, i.e. if somehow TinyMCE could be extended to do Python and all the other languages the notebook supports syntax highlighting via some plugins that would be preferable. As far as I understand we don't use TinyMCE to edit the cells themselves yet, but that could be something we might do in the future. Either way this plays out: Thanks for the effort and hopefully this will all be sorted out in the near future. Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] more Sage pics from AMS-MAA 2009
Hi: I just posted more pics to http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wdj/sagedays/ams2009/images.html I think Sage gained a lot of publicity this year both by being at the booth but also having an MAA panel discussion and an AMS session. The panel discussion was good to be able to meet others in the teaching community. I think this is related to Sage development because projects like the educational open source software webworks has a funding model which seems to be successful. I think Karl Crisman said he would try to follow up on that. A few people I met at the booth said they were interested in Sage development but more stopped by saying that either they or their students could not afford Maple or Mma and was looking into a cheaper quality alternative. The collaroration possibilities of the Sage server was a strong selling point for smaller schools which could load sage on a webserver. There were some really good talks at the Sage session. For example, Marshall's talk had amazing graphics and Robert Miller's talk was very well attended (with maybe twice as many people in the audience as some of the others). I thought the quality overall was great, but I'm very partial to such topics of course. The general message I got from many was that more written material on Sage in use would be welcomed, especially books. I was touched by one guy who explained to me that his students were very poor (waitresses, for example) who cannot afford calculus texts and commercial math programs. The point he was implicitly making was that by offering software and documentation for free we are actually improving the quality of such peoples' lives in a real way. - David Joyner --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: more Sage pics from AMS-MAA 2009
On Jan 8, 7:41 pm, David Joyner wdjoy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi: Hi David, I just posted more pics tohttp://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wdj/sagedays/ams2009/images.html I think Sage gained a lot of publicity this year both by being at the booth but also having an MAA panel discussion and an AMS session. The panel discussion was good to be able to meet others in the teaching community. I think this is related to Sage development because projects like the educational open source software webworks has a funding model which seems to be successful. I think Karl Crisman said he would try to follow up on that. Cool. A few people I met at the booth said they were interested in Sage development but more stopped by saying that either they or their students could not afford Maple or Mma and was looking into a cheaper quality alternative. The collaroration possibilities of the Sage server was a strong selling point for smaller schools which could load sage on a webserver. There were some really good talks at the Sage session. For example, Marshall's talk had amazing graphics and Robert Miller's talk was very well attended (with maybe twice as many people in the audience as some of the others). I thought the quality overall was great, but I'm very partial to such topics of course. Could you get the various presentation and put them up on the wiki page? I would certainly like to read some of them. The general message I got from many was that more written material on Sage in use would be welcomed, especially books. I was touched by one guy who explained to me that his students were very poor (waitresses, for example) who cannot afford calculus texts and commercial math programs. The point he was implicitly making was that by offering software and documentation for free we are actually improving the quality of such peoples' lives in a real way. +1 - David Joyner Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
