[sage-devel] Re: building Sage on Lion
On Oct 1, 10:41 am, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:46 AM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 1, 9:35 am, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: It's actually a good point. Apple tries to target educational users by offering discounts etc... True, and you could also point out that Sage can't run natively run on Windows. The only time this operates as a plus. :) In reality, Apple is driven by marketing. Sage won't sell more Apple computers. RJF I remember specific instances of Sage Days workshops where people bought Apple laptops to code with during the workshop. So if Apple gave these people free computers, Apple would sell fewer computers, so from a marketing perspective, its a loser. :) Consider how many people are plausibly in the position of choosing to buy a new computer and using as a decision point does this computer run Sage? And on this basis choosing to buy a Mac. I daresay, not too many. Macs are approximately 2-3X more expensive for equivalent configurations of Intel CPUs, memory, disk. While Macs do have attractive features, and I personally use them sometimes, I see no advantage to them for running Sage, since at best they would run the program the same as running on Linux. For running Sage, I think the smart money would set up a dual-boot (Windows+Linux) or perhaps Linux-only PC. I just doubt the Sage is good for math - Math is good for education - education is good for Apple - Apple should support Sage syllogism. Now it is apparently the case that Apple is sitting on a huge pile of cash, so who knows. Or perhaps there is a Landon Clay - type philanthropist/ math-fan among the wealthy beneficiaries of Apple's success. My (perhaps uninformed) take on Apple corporate philanthropy is that they mostly give computers / software to elementary schools. You can always keep asking. Good luck. RJF -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Re: building Sage on Lion
unless one promises Apple : 1) Sage on iOS 2) No Sage on Android :-) -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Re: building Sage on Lion
On Saturday, October 1, 2011 4:28:28 AM UTC+2, William wrote: It is my opinion that Apple has no interest in funding or supporting Sage. The only argument we can make is probably that Sage is increasingly used in math education, so if Apple wants to keep selling discounted hardware to students (in German: anfixen) then its in their interest to have Sage run on it. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Re: building Sage on Lion
It's actually a good point. Apple tries to target educational users by offering discounts etc... -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
[sage-devel] Re: building Sage on Lion
On Oct 1, 9:35 am, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: It's actually a good point. Apple tries to target educational users by offering discounts etc... True, and you could also point out that Sage can't run natively run on Windows. The only time this operates as a plus. :) In reality, Apple is driven by marketing. Sage won't sell more Apple computers. RJF -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Re: building Sage on Lion
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:46 AM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 1, 9:35 am, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: It's actually a good point. Apple tries to target educational users by offering discounts etc... True, and you could also point out that Sage can't run natively run on Windows. The only time this operates as a plus. :) In reality, Apple is driven by marketing. Sage won't sell more Apple computers. RJF I remember specific instances of Sage Days workshops where people bought Apple laptops to code with during the workshop. William -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
[sage-devel] Re: building Sage on Lion
On 10/1/11 12:41 PM, William Stein wrote: I remember specific instances of Sage Days workshops where people bought Apple laptops to code with during the workshop. Maybe Apple would donate things rather than give dollars for development? Thanks, Jason -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
[sage-devel] Re: building Sage on Lion
On 1 Okt., 19:41, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:46 AM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 1, 9:35 am, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote: It's actually a good point. Apple tries to target educational users by offering discounts etc... True, and you could also point out that Sage can't run natively run on Windows. The only time this operates as a plus. :) In reality, Apple is driven by marketing. Sage won't sell more Apple computers. RJF I remember specific instances of Sage Days workshops where people bought Apple laptops to code with during the workshop. Well, and this will (or could) stop now, especially since you cannot install XCode 3.x on Lion... -leif -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
[sage-devel] Re: building Sage on Lion
On 1 Okt., 20:08, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: On 10/1/11 12:41 PM, William Stein wrote: I remember specific instances of Sage Days workshops where people bought Apple laptops to code with during the workshop. Maybe Apple would donate things rather than give dollars for development? That's what I suggested to ask them (i.e., the company or some of their billionaires) for. -leif -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
[sage-devel] Re: building Sage on Lion
On 30 Sep., 18:06, John H Palmieri jhpalmier...@gmail.com wrote: Don't we need to get working on this pretty seriously? I've heard rumors of possible fixes lurking, but it's frustrating that nothing is publicly available. Did anybody ever ask Apple for funding? (E.g., the BDFL.) At least they could donate some nice development machines (with MacOS X 10.7 and maybe both XCode 3.x and 4.x installed). -leif -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Re: building Sage on Lion
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:45 PM, leif wrote: Don't we need to get working on this pretty seriously? I've heard rumors of possible fixes lurking, but it's frustrating that nothing is publicly available. Did anybody ever ask Apple for funding? (E.g., the BDFL.) At least they could donate some nice development machines (with MacOS X 10.7 and maybe both XCode 3.x and 4.x installed). It is my opinion that Apple has no interest in funding or supporting Sage. (1) Funding open source projects is really in Apple's culture (which is very different than say Google's), and -- more importantly, (2) Sage is GPLv3, which is a license that is perceived as very corporate unfriendly by many of the top companies that do commercial software. -- William -leif -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
[sage-devel] Re: building Sage on Lion
It is my opinion that Apple has no interest in funding or supporting Sage. (1) Funding open source projects is really in Apple's culture (which is very different than say Google's), and -- more importantly, You mean not in the culture, in case anyone gets confused, though the context makes it clear. (2) Sage is GPLv3, which is a license that is perceived as very corporate unfriendly by many of the top companies that do commercial software. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
