[sage-devel] Re: doc.sagemath.org gone from google

[Paul Masson]

Searching for Sage on Google was hit-and-miss for me yesterday but much 
more consistent today. It apparently takes time for all Google servers to 
sync their search results and may take a couple more days to appear 
consistently.

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 6:36:07 PM UTC-7, kcrisman wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 6:24:17 PM UTC-4, Paul Masson wrote:
>>
>> In case no one else has noticed, doc.sagemath.org is now showing up in 
>> Google searches, including the link that initiated this thread.
>>
>> Google taketh away, and Google giveth back.
>>
>>>
>>>
> Boy, I sure hope you are right - even yesterday I tried to get a canonical 
> link for something in a thematic tutorial and ended up getting sent to all 
> kinds of old versions living in random places on the web.  Good!
>

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[sage-devel] Re: doc.sagemath.org gone from google

[kcrisman]

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 6:24:17 PM UTC-4, Paul Masson wrote:
>
> In case no one else has noticed, doc.sagemath.org is now showing up in 
> Google searches, including the link that initiated this thread.
>
> Google taketh away, and Google giveth back.
>
>>
>>
Boy, I sure hope you are right - even yesterday I tried to get a canonical 
link for something in a thematic tutorial and ended up getting sent to all 
kinds of old versions living in random places on the web.  Good!

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: doc.sagemath.org gone from google

[Johan S . H . Rosenkilde]

> In case no one else has noticed, doc.sagemath.org is now showing up in 
> Google searches, including the link that initiated this thread.

Indeed I have noticed! It's really good news for us and - especially -
for new Sage users :-)

Best,
Johan

Paul Masson writes:

> In case no one else has noticed, doc.sagemath.org is now showing up in 
> Google searches, including the link that initiated this thread.
>
> Google taketh away, and Google giveth back.
>
>
> On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 8:25:56 AM UTC-7, William wrote:
>>
>> I'm googling for links to the sage reference manual, e.g., 
>>
>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=sage+Elements+of+Quotients+of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings=1C5CHFA_enUS691US691=sage+Elements+of+Quotients+of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings=chrome..69i57j69i64.1153j0j7=chrome=UTF-8
>>  
>>
>> and they now **all** go to combinat.sagemath.org.I had expected to 
>> find links such as 
>>
>>   
>> http://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/reference/polynomial_rings/sage/rings/polynomial/polynomial_quotient_ring_element.html
>>  
>>
>> but nope. 
>>
>> -- 
>> William (http://wstein.org) 
>>


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[sage-devel] Re: doc.sagemath.org gone from google

[Samuel Lelievre]

2016-10-20 00:24:17 UTC+2, Paul Masson:

> doc.sagemath.org is now showing up in Google searches,
> including the link that initiated this thread.

Hoorray! This is great news for all SageMath users.

Thanks Paul and Harald for your efforts to make it happen.
And thanks to anyone else involved (eg in the combinat team).

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[sage-devel] Re: doc.sagemath.org gone from google

[Paul Masson]

In case no one else has noticed, doc.sagemath.org is now showing up in 
Google searches, including the link that initiated this thread.

Google taketh away, and Google giveth back.


On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 8:25:56 AM UTC-7, William wrote:
>
> I'm googling for links to the sage reference manual, e.g., 
>
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=sage+Elements+of+Quotients+of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings=1C5CHFA_enUS691US691=sage+Elements+of+Quotients+of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings=chrome..69i57j69i64.1153j0j7=chrome=UTF-8
>  
>
> and they now **all** go to combinat.sagemath.org.I had expected to 
> find links such as 
>
>   
> http://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/reference/polynomial_rings/sage/rings/polynomial/polynomial_quotient_ring_element.html
>  
>
> but nope. 
>
> -- 
> William (http://wstein.org) 
>

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[sage-devel] Re: doc.sagemath.org gone from google

[Paul Masson]

Harald got access to the server hosting combinat.sagemath.org and added a 
server-side redirect to the corresponding documents on doc.sagemath.org. 
Hopefully that will speed up the indexing by Google of the new 
documentation location.


On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 8:25:56 AM UTC-7, William wrote:
>
> I'm googling for links to the sage reference manual, e.g., 
>
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=sage+Elements+of+Quotients+of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings=1C5CHFA_enUS691US691=sage+Elements+of+Quotients+of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings=chrome..69i57j69i64.1153j0j7=chrome=UTF-8
>  
>
> and they now **all** go to combinat.sagemath.org.I had expected to 
> find links such as 
>
>   
> http://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/reference/polynomial_rings/sage/rings/polynomial/polynomial_quotient_ring_element.html
>  
>
> but nope. 
>
> -- 
> William (http://wstein.org) 
>

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[sage-devel] Re: doc.sagemath.org gone from google

[leif]

William Stein wrote:
> I'm googling for links to the sage reference manual, e.g.,
> 
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=sage+Elements+of+Quotients+of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings=1C5CHFA_enUS691US691=sage+Elements+of+Quotients+of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings=chrome..69i57j69i64.1153j0j7=chrome=UTF-8
> 
> and they now **all** go to combinat.sagemath.org.I had expected to
> find links such as
> 
>   
> http://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/reference/polynomial_rings/sage/rings/polynomial/polynomial_quotient_ring_element.html
> 
> but nope.

Shouldn't it be *docs*.sagemath.org anyway?

Like docs.python.org, docs.cython.org, etc.  (The former has an alias
though, redirecting to docs.)


-leif


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[sage-devel] Re: doc.sagemath.org gone from google

[Paul Masson]

As I understand them canonical URLs 
 distinguish 
between the same content accessed through different URL forms. Currently 
Google thinks the documentation is mostly located at www.sagemath.org/doc/ 
while we want it to appear at doc.sagemath.org/html/en, so the canonical 
links should help with that distinction. It's unclear to me that it will 
have any effect on combinat.sagemath.org/doc/, since that is much older 
content and Google should be able to tell the difference.

The biggest problem right now, however, is that Google is taking a very 
long time to index doc.sagemath.org at all. At the beginning of June I 
created sitemaps listing every HTML and PDF document in the Sage 
documentation and Harald submitted them to Google promptly. After about a 
month most of the PDF links were indexed and those documents appear at the 
new location. At about the same time less than a third of the HTML links 
were listed as indexed by Google. That figure has been steady for the last 
month, and is currently just a bit over one third.

In order to prompt Google to index the sitemap, over the last month I have 
manually removed links to documents at www.sagemath.org/doc/ in Google's 
webmaster tools and added them to the index at doc.sagemath.org/html/en. 
This has had little effect: even links I've added manually several times 
still will not appear in a search including site:doc.sagemath.org. Google 
is just taking it's time to index the new location, even with an explicit 
sitemap of all HTML files.

If someone knows a better way to prompt Google to index a sitemap I'm all 
ears, but I don't think it's possible. If we want the documentation to 
appear at doc.sagemath.org we simply need to wait until Google indexes 
things. Adding canonical links isn't likely to have an effect if the 
documents aren't getting indexed.

Regarding combinat.sagemath.org/doc/ I don't think removing it is a 
displacement of the problem. This is the only other copy of the 
documentation in the sagemath.org domain. Presumably Google thinks it's 
relevant even though old because it is located in the same /doc/ directory 
where Google thinks the newer documentation is located. Removing it from 
the Internet and pointing to the newer version at doc.sagemath.org would be 
in the best interest of the entire Sage community, if anyone knows who has 
access to it.

TL;DR waiting for Google to index...


On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 9:17:57 AM UTC-7, Harald Schilly wrote:
>
> Yes, you are right, this sounds like a really good idea!
>
> -- h
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Volker Braun  > wrote:
>
>> Presumably Google decided that combinat is the canonical url, right? 
>> Hiding combinat is only kicking the problem down the road, there are 
>> presumably many copies of the Sage docs hosted somewhere. The correct 
>> solution would be to include a http://doc.sagemath.org/path/to/help.html"/> in our docs to 
>> disambiguate. For example like in 
>> https://github.com/Pylons/pylons_sphinx_theme/pull/8/files
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 5:25:56 PM UTC+2, William wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm googling for links to the sage reference manual, e.g., 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=sage+Elements+of+Quotients+of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings=1C5CHFA_enUS691US691=sage+Elements+of+Quotients+of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings=chrome..69i57j69i64.1153j0j7=chrome=UTF-8
>>>  
>>>
>>> and they now **all** go to combinat.sagemath.org.I had expected to 
>>> find links such as 
>>>
>>>   
>>> http://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/reference/polynomial_rings/sage/rings/polynomial/polynomial_quotient_ring_element.html
>>>  
>>>
>>> but nope. 
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> William (http://wstein.org) 
>>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Harald Schilly -- SageMath, Inc.
> https://cloud.sagemath.com
>

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[sage-devel] Re: doc.sagemath.org gone from google

[Harald Schilly]

Yes, you are right, this sounds like a really good idea!

-- h

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Volker Braun  wrote:

> Presumably Google decided that combinat is the canonical url, right?
> Hiding combinat is only kicking the problem down the road, there are
> presumably many copies of the Sage docs hosted somewhere. The correct
> solution would be to include a http://doc.sagemath.org/path/to/help.html"/> in our docs to disambiguate.
> For example like in https://github.com/Pylons/pylons_sphinx_theme/pull/8/
> files
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 5:25:56 PM UTC+2, William wrote:
>>
>> I'm googling for links to the sage reference manual, e.g.,
>>
>>https://www.google.com/search?q=sage+Elements+of+Quotients+
>> of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings=1C5CHFA_enUS691US691
>> =sage+Elements+of+Quotients+of+Univariate+Polyno
>> mial+Rings=chrome..69i57j69i64.1153j0j7=chrome=UTF-8
>>
>> and they now **all** go to combinat.sagemath.org.I had expected to
>> find links such as
>>
>>   http://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/reference/polynomial_rings/s
>> age/rings/polynomial/polynomial_quotient_ring_element.html
>>
>> but nope.
>>
>> --
>> William (http://wstein.org)
>>
>


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[sage-devel] Re: doc.sagemath.org gone from google

[Volker Braun]

Presumably Google decided that combinat is the canonical url, right? Hiding 
combinat is only kicking the problem down the road, there are presumably 
many copies of the Sage docs hosted somewhere. The correct solution would 
be to include a http://doc.sagemath.org/path/to/help.html"/> in our docs to 
disambiguate. For example like in 
https://github.com/Pylons/pylons_sphinx_theme/pull/8/files



On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 5:25:56 PM UTC+2, William wrote:
>
> I'm googling for links to the sage reference manual, e.g., 
>
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=sage+Elements+of+Quotients+of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings=1C5CHFA_enUS691US691=sage+Elements+of+Quotients+of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings=chrome..69i57j69i64.1153j0j7=chrome=UTF-8
>  
>
> and they now **all** go to combinat.sagemath.org.I had expected to 
> find links such as 
>
>   
> http://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/reference/polynomial_rings/sage/rings/polynomial/polynomial_quotient_ring_element.html
>  
>
> but nope. 
>
> -- 
> William (http://wstein.org) 
>

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[sage-devel] Re: doc.sagemath.org gone from google

[Harald Schilly]

Btw, try

http://www.bing.com/search?q=sage+Elements+of+Quotients+of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings

https://yandex.ru/search/?text=sage%20Elements%20of%20Quotients%20of%20Univariate%20Polynomial%20Rings

https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylc=?p=sage+Elements+of+Quotients+of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings

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[sage-devel] Re: doc.sagemath.org gone from google

[Harald Schilly]

Does anyone know who is administrating the combinat pages? Hiding those
pages could help. Besides that, I'm working with Paul Masson for months now
to fix these indices. It's a stubborn problem, though...

-- h

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 5:25 PM, William Stein  wrote:

> I'm googling for links to the sage reference manual, e.g.,
>
>https://www.google.com/search?q=sage+Elements+of+Quotients+
> of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings=1C5CHFA_enUS691US691=sage+Elements+
> of+Quotients+of+Univariate+Polynomial+Rings=chrome..
> 69i57j69i64.1153j0j7=chrome=UTF-8
>
> and they now **all** go to combinat.sagemath.org.I had expected to
> find links such as
>
>   http://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/reference/polynomial_rings/
> sage/rings/polynomial/polynomial_quotient_ring_element.html
>
> but nope.
>
> --
> William (http://wstein.org)
>



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