Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-12 Thread Dima Pasechnik 
On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 10:46 PM Dima Pasechnik  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 10:17 PM Matthias Koeppe
>  wrote:
> >
> > No, we should revise the documentation so that it does not advertise "make 
> > test" any more.
>
> No, if we use  autotools/make to build a project, there should be
> meaningful make targets for testing too, force
> people to learn peculiarities of tox or whatever the latest Python
> testing rage is, is wrong.

Besides, in the use case we're taking about, ./configure produces
results which are
wrong for the purposes of the further use, which is not to build any
packages, but only sagelib.
Let's stop this confusion - I suppose then the ugly pip commands can
be replaces by "make build", no?

>
>
>
> >
> > On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 2:09:12 PM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
> >>
> >> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 8:20:24 PM UTC Matthias Koeppe wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes, if one is not using the Sage distribution for build, one should also 
> >>> not use it for testing.
> >>> Use "sage -t".
> >>
> >>
> >> that's not nice. Should we have a ./configure option that just blesses all 
> >> deps as "coming from the system"?
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 10:39:47 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
> 
>  On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 5:01 PM Matthias Koeppe
>   wrote:
>  >
>  > On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 2:42:09 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>  >>
>  >> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 6:36:00 AM UTC Matthias Koeppe wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>> I have updated the instructions.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Thanks - are these tested?
>  >
>  >
>  > Yes, I tested them on macOS Big Sur.
> 
>  hmm, by design, or in error, "make ptest" starts building all the
>  dependencies, e.g. maxima.
>  So that's not a usual environment - perhaps it should be mentioned.
> 
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-12 Thread Dima Pasechnik 
On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 10:17 PM Matthias Koeppe
 wrote:
>
> No, we should revise the documentation so that it does not advertise "make 
> test" any more.

No, if we use  autotools/make to build a project, there should be
meaningful make targets for testing too, force
people to learn peculiarities of tox or whatever the latest Python
testing rage is, is wrong.



>
> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 2:09:12 PM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>>
>> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 8:20:24 PM UTC Matthias Koeppe wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, if one is not using the Sage distribution for build, one should also 
>>> not use it for testing.
>>> Use "sage -t".
>>
>>
>> that's not nice. Should we have a ./configure option that just blesses all 
>> deps as "coming from the system"?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 10:39:47 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:

 On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 5:01 PM Matthias Koeppe
  wrote:
 >
 > On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 2:42:09 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
 >>
 >> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 6:36:00 AM UTC Matthias Koeppe wrote:
 >>>
 >>> I have updated the instructions.
 >>
 >>
 >> Thanks - are these tested?
 >
 >
 > Yes, I tested them on macOS Big Sur.

 hmm, by design, or in error, "make ptest" starts building all the
 dependencies, e.g. maxima.
 So that's not a usual environment - perhaps it should be mentioned.


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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-12 Thread Matthias Koeppe 
I have added this as a task to https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/30453

On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-8 Matthias Koeppe wrote:

> No, we should revise the documentation so that it does not advertise "make 
> test" any more.
>
> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 2:09:12 PM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>
>> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 8:20:24 PM UTC Matthias Koeppe wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, if one is not using the Sage distribution for build, one should 
>>> also not use it for testing.
>>> Use "sage -t".
>>>
>>
>> that's not nice. Should we have a ./configure option that just blesses 
>> all deps as "coming from the system"?
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 10:39:47 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>>>
 On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 5:01 PM Matthias Koeppe 
  wrote: 
 > 
 > On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 2:42:09 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik 
 wrote: 
 >> 
 >> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 6:36:00 AM UTC Matthias Koeppe 
 wrote: 
 >>> 
 >>> I have updated the instructions. 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> Thanks - are these tested? 
 > 
 > 
 > Yes, I tested them on macOS Big Sur. 

 hmm, by design, or in error, "make ptest" starts building all the 
 dependencies, e.g. maxima. 
 So that's not a usual environment - perhaps it should be mentioned. 


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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-12 Thread Matthias Koeppe 
No, we should revise the documentation so that it does not advertise "make 
test" any more.

On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 2:09:12 PM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:

> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 8:20:24 PM UTC Matthias Koeppe wrote:
>
>> Yes, if one is not using the Sage distribution for build, one should also 
>> not use it for testing.
>> Use "sage -t".
>>
>
> that's not nice. Should we have a ./configure option that just blesses all 
> deps as "coming from the system"?
>
>
>
>>
>> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 10:39:47 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 5:01 PM Matthias Koeppe 
>>>  wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> > On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 2:42:09 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote: 
>>> >> 
>>> >> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 6:36:00 AM UTC Matthias Koeppe wrote: 
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> I have updated the instructions. 
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> Thanks - are these tested? 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > Yes, I tested them on macOS Big Sur. 
>>>
>>> hmm, by design, or in error, "make ptest" starts building all the 
>>> dependencies, e.g. maxima. 
>>> So that's not a usual environment - perhaps it should be mentioned. 
>>>
>>>
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-12 Thread Dima Pasechnik 


On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 8:20:24 PM UTC Matthias Koeppe wrote:

> Yes, if one is not using the Sage distribution for build, one should also 
> not use it for testing.
> Use "sage -t".
>

that's not nice. Should we have a ./configure option that just blesses all 
deps as "coming from the system"?



>
> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 10:39:47 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 5:01 PM Matthias Koeppe 
>>  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 2:42:09 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 6:36:00 AM UTC Matthias Koeppe wrote: 
>> >>> 
>> >>> I have updated the instructions. 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Thanks - are these tested? 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Yes, I tested them on macOS Big Sur. 
>>
>> hmm, by design, or in error, "make ptest" starts building all the 
>> dependencies, e.g. maxima. 
>> So that's not a usual environment - perhaps it should be mentioned. 
>>
>>
>> > 
>> > 
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-12 Thread Matthias Koeppe 
Yes, if one is not using the Sage distribution for build, one should also 
not use it for testing.
Use "sage -t".


On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 10:39:47 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 5:01 PM Matthias Koeppe
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 2:42:09 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
> >>
> >> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 6:36:00 AM UTC Matthias Koeppe wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have updated the instructions.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks - are these tested?
> >
> >
> > Yes, I tested them on macOS Big Sur.
>
> hmm, by design, or in error, "make ptest" starts building all the
> dependencies, e.g. maxima.
> So that's not a usual environment - perhaps it should be mentioned.
>
>
> >
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-12 Thread Dima Pasechnik 
On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 5:01 PM Matthias Koeppe
 wrote:
>
> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 2:42:09 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>>
>> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 6:36:00 AM UTC Matthias Koeppe wrote:
>>>
>>> I have updated the instructions.
>>
>>
>> Thanks - are these tested?
>
>
> Yes, I tested them on macOS Big Sur.

hmm, by design, or in error, "make ptest" starts building all the
dependencies, e.g. maxima.
So that's not a usual environment - perhaps it should be mentioned.


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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-12 Thread Matthias Koeppe 
On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 2:42:09 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:

> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 6:36:00 AM UTC Matthias Koeppe wrote:
>
>> I have updated the instructions.
>
>
> Thanks - are these tested?
>

Yes, I tested them on macOS Big Sur.

 

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-12 Thread Dima Pasechnik 


On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 6:36:00 AM UTC Matthias Koeppe wrote:

> I have updated the instructions.


Thanks - are these tested?

I've changed the release version at the bottom, so that it does not look 
like something untouched since Sage 9.2



>
> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 4:27:38 PM UTC-8 Matthias Koeppe wrote:
>
>> Invoking "setup.py install" is always wrong, it should not be used 
>> directly anymore.
>>
>> Try "pip install ." instead
>>
>> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 4:24:47 PM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>>
>>> anyhow, Conda for Sage Developers needs updates. 
>>> Before doing 
>>>
>>> cd src/ 
>>> python setup.py install 
>>>
>>> one needs to do the same for a number of packages in 
>>> pkgs/ 
>>>
>>> cd pkgs/sage-conf 
>>> python setup.py install 
>>> cd ../sage-setup 
>>> python setup.py install 
>>>
>>> and I also did 
>>>
>>> pip install memory-allocator 
>>>
>>> because some of these was failing with an error there 
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps Matthias can tell us more about the precise order and need. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 11:56 PM Isuru Fernando  
>>> wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> > I suggest running `conda activate sage-build` and then doing a `make 
>>> dist-clean`. 
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-11 Thread Matthias Koeppe 
I have updated the instructions.


On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 4:27:38 PM UTC-8 Matthias Koeppe wrote:

> Invoking "setup.py install" is always wrong, it should not be used 
> directly anymore.
>
> Try "pip install ." instead
>
> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 4:24:47 PM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>
>> anyhow, Conda for Sage Developers needs updates.
>> Before doing
>>
>> cd src/
>> python setup.py install
>>
>> one needs to do the same for a number of packages in
>> pkgs/
>>
>> cd pkgs/sage-conf
>> python setup.py install
>> cd ../sage-setup
>> python setup.py install
>>
>> and I also did
>>
>> pip install memory-allocator
>>
>> because some of these was failing with an error there
>>
>>
>> Perhaps Matthias can tell us more about the precise order and need.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 11:56 PM Isuru Fernando  wrote:
>> >
>> > I suggest running `conda activate sage-build` and then doing a `make 
>> dist-clean`.
>> >
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-11 Thread Matthias Koeppe 
Invoking "setup.py install" is always wrong, it should not be used directly 
anymore.

Try "pip install ." instead

On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 4:24:47 PM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:

> anyhow, Conda for Sage Developers needs updates.
> Before doing
>
> cd src/
> python setup.py install
>
> one needs to do the same for a number of packages in
> pkgs/
>
> cd pkgs/sage-conf
> python setup.py install
> cd ../sage-setup
> python setup.py install
>
> and I also did
>
> pip install memory-allocator
>
> because some of these was failing with an error there
>
>
> Perhaps Matthias can tell us more about the precise order and need.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 11:56 PM Isuru Fernando  wrote:
> >
> > I suggest running `conda activate sage-build` and then doing a `make 
> dist-clean`.
> >
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-11 Thread Dima Pasechnik 
anyhow, Conda for Sage Developers needs updates.
Before doing

cd src/
python setup.py install

one needs to do the same for a number of packages in
pkgs/

cd pkgs/sage-conf
python setup.py install
cd ../sage-setup
python setup.py install

and I also did

pip install memory-allocator

because some of these was failing with an error there


Perhaps Matthias can tell us more about the precise order and need.


On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 11:56 PM Isuru Fernando  wrote:
>
> I suggest running `conda activate sage-build` and then doing a `make 
> dist-clean`.
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-11 Thread Isuru Fernando 
I suggest running `conda activate sage-build` and then doing a `make
dist-clean`.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-11 Thread Dima Pasechnik 
On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 11:49 PM Isuru Fernando  wrote:
>
> It's not good to have two conda environments. I'm not sure how you got them 
> both involved in the build.
hmm. First I just installed Sage 9.4 as a conda package, (getting sage
env), and then
tried your sage-build env. instructions.


>
> `mamba install pari -n sage-build` will install sage in `sage-build` env.
>
> Isuru
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 5:15 PM Dima Pasechnik  wrote:
>>
>> Conda's pari packages are a bit broken (they are per env, but not
>> quite), and this test fails:
>>
>> configure:21400: result: libpari's datadir does not match GP's datadir. Not 
>> good
>> configure:21449: no suitable system package found for SPKG pari
>>
>> namely, GP's datadir is
>> /Users/dima/opt/miniconda3/envs/sage-build/share/pari
>> but libpari's datadir is
>> /Users/dima/opt/miniconda3/envs/sage/share/pari
>>
>> and if I try "mamba install pari" I just get
>>
>> All requested packages already installed.
>>
>> I suppose I don't understand conda's environments well - how does one tell
>> conda to install pari (and libpari) into sage-build?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 9:56 PM Isuru Fernando  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Can one install Sage on macOS 12 using (mini)Conda at all ?
>> >
>> > Sure. It should work fine. Bug reports are welcome.
>> >
>> > Isuru
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 3:38 PM Dima Pasechnik  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Harald,
>> >>
>> >> We don't have Sage ported to macos 12 yet, I am afraid.
>> >> We have been fighting macos 11 until April, see
>> >> https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/30651
>> >>
>> >> I've just opened https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/32855
>> >>
>> >> Binaries built on macOS 10 or 11 might run on 12, but building is another 
>> >> story.
>> >>
>> >> Can one install Sage on macOS 12 using (mini)Conda at all ?
>> >>
>> >> I think building might be easier with Homebrew rather than Conda, too.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Dima
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 7:00:06 PM UTC harald@gmail.com 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm trying to build Sagemath from source (within miniconda) on an 
>> >>> Intel-based Mac Mini running MacOS Monterrey. I get:
>> >>>
>> >>> [pip-21.1.2] Error building a wheel for pip-21.1.2
>> >>> ...
>> >>>
>> >>> [pip-21.1.2] Error installing package pip-21.1.2
>> >>>
>> >>> See the log files.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best
>> >>>
>> >>> Harald
>> >>
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-11 Thread Isuru Fernando 
It's not good to have two conda environments. I'm not sure how you got them
both involved in the build.

`mamba install pari -n sage-build` will install sage in `sage-build` env.

Isuru

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 5:15 PM Dima Pasechnik  wrote:

> Conda's pari packages are a bit broken (they are per env, but not
> quite), and this test fails:
>
> configure:21400: result: libpari's datadir does not match GP's datadir.
> Not good
> configure:21449: no suitable system package found for SPKG pari
>
> namely, GP's datadir is
> /Users/dima/opt/miniconda3/envs/sage-build/share/pari
> but libpari's datadir is
> /Users/dima/opt/miniconda3/envs/sage/share/pari
>
> and if I try "mamba install pari" I just get
>
> All requested packages already installed.
>
> I suppose I don't understand conda's environments well - how does one tell
> conda to install pari (and libpari) into sage-build?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 9:56 PM Isuru Fernando  wrote:
> >
> > > Can one install Sage on macOS 12 using (mini)Conda at all ?
> >
> > Sure. It should work fine. Bug reports are welcome.
> >
> > Isuru
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 3:38 PM Dima Pasechnik 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Harald,
> >>
> >> We don't have Sage ported to macos 12 yet, I am afraid.
> >> We have been fighting macos 11 until April, see
> >> https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/30651
> >>
> >> I've just opened https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/32855
> >>
> >> Binaries built on macOS 10 or 11 might run on 12, but building is
> another story.
> >>
> >> Can one install Sage on macOS 12 using (mini)Conda at all ?
> >>
> >> I think building might be easier with Homebrew rather than Conda, too.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Dima
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 7:00:06 PM UTC harald@gmail.com
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I'm trying to build Sagemath from source (within miniconda) on an
> Intel-based Mac Mini running MacOS Monterrey. I get:
> >>>
> >>> [pip-21.1.2] Error building a wheel for pip-21.1.2
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>> [pip-21.1.2] Error installing package pip-21.1.2
> >>>
> >>> See the log files.
> >>>
> >>> Best
> >>>
> >>> Harald
> >>
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-11 Thread Dima Pasechnik 
Conda's pari packages are a bit broken (they are per env, but not
quite), and this test fails:

configure:21400: result: libpari's datadir does not match GP's datadir. Not good
configure:21449: no suitable system package found for SPKG pari

namely, GP's datadir is
/Users/dima/opt/miniconda3/envs/sage-build/share/pari
but libpari's datadir is
/Users/dima/opt/miniconda3/envs/sage/share/pari

and if I try "mamba install pari" I just get

All requested packages already installed.

I suppose I don't understand conda's environments well - how does one tell
conda to install pari (and libpari) into sage-build?



On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 9:56 PM Isuru Fernando  wrote:
>
> > Can one install Sage on macOS 12 using (mini)Conda at all ?
>
> Sure. It should work fine. Bug reports are welcome.
>
> Isuru
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 3:38 PM Dima Pasechnik  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Harald,
>>
>> We don't have Sage ported to macos 12 yet, I am afraid.
>> We have been fighting macos 11 until April, see
>> https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/30651
>>
>> I've just opened https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/32855
>>
>> Binaries built on macOS 10 or 11 might run on 12, but building is another 
>> story.
>>
>> Can one install Sage on macOS 12 using (mini)Conda at all ?
>>
>> I think building might be easier with Homebrew rather than Conda, too.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dima
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 7:00:06 PM UTC harald@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm trying to build Sagemath from source (within miniconda) on an 
>>> Intel-based Mac Mini running MacOS Monterrey. I get:
>>>
>>> [pip-21.1.2] Error building a wheel for pip-21.1.2
>>> ...
>>>
>>> [pip-21.1.2] Error installing package pip-21.1.2
>>>
>>> See the log files.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Harald
>>
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-11 Thread Dima Pasechnik 
On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 10:10 PM Isuru Fernando  wrote:

> > Am I right that it's possible to change Sage's Cython files in such an
> installation, and  update Sage this way?
>
> No, it's binary only. See https://wiki.sagemath.org/Conda section "Conda
> for sage developers" if you want to do that.
> (Btw, that hasn't been updated in a while and might not work due to a
> recent restructure of sage build system)
>

I'm checking it now on macOS 11, did few changes already.


>
> Isuru
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 4:04 PM Dima Pasechnik  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 9:56 PM Isuru Fernando  wrote:
>>
>>> > Can one install Sage on macOS 12 using (mini)Conda at all ?
>>>
>>> Sure. It should work fine. Bug reports are welcome.
>>>
>>> Am I right that it's possible to change Sage's Cython files in such an
>> installation, and  update Sage this way?
>>
>> Isuru
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 3:38 PM Dima Pasechnik 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Harald,

 We don't have Sage ported to macos 12 yet, I am afraid.
 We have been fighting macos 11 until April, see
 https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/30651

 I've just opened https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/32855

 Binaries built on macOS 10 or 11 might run on 12, but building is
 another story.

 Can one install Sage on macOS 12 using (mini)Conda at all ?

 I think building might be easier with Homebrew rather than Conda, too.

 Cheers,
 Dima


 On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 7:00:06 PM UTC harald@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to build Sagemath from source (within miniconda) on an
> Intel-based Mac Mini running MacOS Monterrey. I get:
>
> [pip-21.1.2] Error building a wheel for pip-21.1.2
> ...
>
> [pip-21.1.2] Error installing package pip-21.1.2
>
> See the log files.
>
> Best
>
> Harald
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-11 Thread Isuru Fernando 
> Am I right that it's possible to change Sage's Cython files in such an
installation, and  update Sage this way?

No, it's binary only. See https://wiki.sagemath.org/Conda section "Conda
for sage developers" if you want to do that.
(Btw, that hasn't been updated in a while and might not work due to a
recent restructure of sage build system)

Isuru

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 4:04 PM Dima Pasechnik  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 9:56 PM Isuru Fernando  wrote:
>
>> > Can one install Sage on macOS 12 using (mini)Conda at all ?
>>
>> Sure. It should work fine. Bug reports are welcome.
>>
>> Am I right that it's possible to change Sage's Cython files in such an
> installation, and  update Sage this way?
>
> Isuru
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 3:38 PM Dima Pasechnik  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Harald,
>>>
>>> We don't have Sage ported to macos 12 yet, I am afraid.
>>> We have been fighting macos 11 until April, see
>>> https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/30651
>>>
>>> I've just opened https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/32855
>>>
>>> Binaries built on macOS 10 or 11 might run on 12, but building is
>>> another story.
>>>
>>> Can one install Sage on macOS 12 using (mini)Conda at all ?
>>>
>>> I think building might be easier with Homebrew rather than Conda, too.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dima
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 7:00:06 PM UTC harald@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 I'm trying to build Sagemath from source (within miniconda) on an
 Intel-based Mac Mini running MacOS Monterrey. I get:

 [pip-21.1.2] Error building a wheel for pip-21.1.2
 ...

 [pip-21.1.2] Error installing package pip-21.1.2

 See the log files.

 Best

 Harald

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-11 Thread Dima Pasechnik 
On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 9:56 PM Isuru Fernando  wrote:

> > Can one install Sage on macOS 12 using (mini)Conda at all ?
>
> Sure. It should work fine. Bug reports are welcome.
>
> Am I right that it's possible to change Sage's Cython files in such an
installation, and  update Sage this way?

Isuru
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 3:38 PM Dima Pasechnik  wrote:
>
>> Hi Harald,
>>
>> We don't have Sage ported to macos 12 yet, I am afraid.
>> We have been fighting macos 11 until April, see
>> https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/30651
>>
>> I've just opened https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/32855
>>
>> Binaries built on macOS 10 or 11 might run on 12, but building is another
>> story.
>>
>> Can one install Sage on macOS 12 using (mini)Conda at all ?
>>
>> I think building might be easier with Homebrew rather than Conda, too.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dima
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 7:00:06 PM UTC harald@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm trying to build Sagemath from source (within miniconda) on an
>>> Intel-based Mac Mini running MacOS Monterrey. I get:
>>>
>>> [pip-21.1.2] Error building a wheel for pip-21.1.2
>>> ...
>>>
>>> [pip-21.1.2] Error installing package pip-21.1.2
>>>
>>> See the log files.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Harald
>>>
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-11 Thread Isuru Fernando 
For this issue, you need setuptools 58 or higher.
Or remove the line
https://github.com/sagemath/sage/blob/f5efe4883f348e01ca3069ed82bf517a4de337f6/build/bin/sage-build-env#L174

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: pip-21.1.2 compile fails on MacOS

2021-11-11 Thread Isuru Fernando 
> Can one install Sage on macOS 12 using (mini)Conda at all ?

Sure. It should work fine. Bug reports are welcome.

Isuru

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 3:38 PM Dima Pasechnik  wrote:

> Hi Harald,
>
> We don't have Sage ported to macos 12 yet, I am afraid.
> We have been fighting macos 11 until April, see
> https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/30651
>
> I've just opened https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/32855
>
> Binaries built on macOS 10 or 11 might run on 12, but building is another
> story.
>
> Can one install Sage on macOS 12 using (mini)Conda at all ?
>
> I think building might be easier with Homebrew rather than Conda, too.
>
> Cheers,
> Dima
>
>
> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 7:00:06 PM UTC harald@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm trying to build Sagemath from source (within miniconda) on an
>> Intel-based Mac Mini running MacOS Monterrey. I get:
>>
>> [pip-21.1.2] Error building a wheel for pip-21.1.2
>> ...
>>
>> [pip-21.1.2] Error installing package pip-21.1.2
>>
>> See the log files.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Harald
>>
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