[sage-release] Re: Sage 10.3.beta1 released
Forcing the reinstallation of cvxopt (sage -f cvxopt ; make -j8) allowed all the failed tests to pass without failure. I still do not have any explanation for the initial cvxopt failure… HTH, Le mercredi 13 décembre 2023 à 18:43:27 UTC+1, Emmanuel Charpentier a écrit : > Missing text of the previous message, (mysteriously missing...) : > > On Debian testing running on core i7 + 16 GB RAM, > upgrading 10.2.rc4 to 10.3.beta1 and running ptestlong gives a > non-negligible list of permanent failures : > > > ``` > -- > sage -t --long --warn-long 210.3 > --random-seed=243965959964229696435756084107657160315 > src/sage/matrix/matrix2.pyx # 2 doctests failed sage -t --long --warn-long > 210.3 --random-seed=243965959964229696435756084107657160315 > src/sage/numerical/sdp.pyx > # 34 doctests failed > sage -t --long --warn-long 210.3 > --random-seed=243965959964229696435756084107657160315 > src/sage/numerical/backends/cvxopt_sdp_backend.pyx # 21 doctests failed > sage -t --long --warn-long 210.3 > --random-seed=243965959964229696435756084107657160315 > src/sage/numerical/backends/cvxopt_backend.pyx # 17 doctests failed > sage -t --long --warn-long 210.3 > --random-seed=243965959964229696435756084107657160315 > src/sage/matrix/matrix_double_sparse.pyx # 9 doctests failed > sage -t --long --warn-long 210.3 > --random-seed=243965959964229696435756084107657160315 > src/doc/en/thematic_tutorials/numerical_sage/cvxopt.rst # 2 doctests failed > -- > ``` > > All seem to be related to a missing cvxopt library (logs and config > enclosed). > > Any hint welcome ! > Le mercredi 13 décembre 2023 à 18:39:00 UTC+1, Emmanuel Charpentier a > écrit : > >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/c4a32cfa-6320-4c2b-ba1f-e7eff54c55c6n%40googlegroups.com.
[sage-release] Re: Sage 10.3.beta1 released
Missing text of the previous message, (mysteriously missing...) : On Debian testing running on core i7 + 16 GB RAM, upgrading 10.2.rc4 to 10.3.beta1 and running ptestlong gives a non-negligible list of permanent failures : ``` -- sage -t --long --warn-long 210.3 --random-seed=243965959964229696435756084107657160315 src/sage/matrix/matrix2.pyx # 2 doctests failed sage -t --long --warn-long 210.3 --random-seed=243965959964229696435756084107657160315 src/sage/numerical/sdp.pyx # 34 doctests failed sage -t --long --warn-long 210.3 --random-seed=243965959964229696435756084107657160315 src/sage/numerical/backends/cvxopt_sdp_backend.pyx # 21 doctests failed sage -t --long --warn-long 210.3 --random-seed=243965959964229696435756084107657160315 src/sage/numerical/backends/cvxopt_backend.pyx # 17 doctests failed sage -t --long --warn-long 210.3 --random-seed=243965959964229696435756084107657160315 src/sage/matrix/matrix_double_sparse.pyx # 9 doctests failed sage -t --long --warn-long 210.3 --random-seed=243965959964229696435756084107657160315 src/doc/en/thematic_tutorials/numerical_sage/cvxopt.rst # 2 doctests failed -- ``` All seem to be related to a missing cvxopt library (logs and config enclosed). Any hint welcome ! Le mercredi 13 décembre 2023 à 18:39:00 UTC+1, Emmanuel Charpentier a écrit : > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/7c011f1f-f585-4560-92db-ad0d18af5df4n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 10.3.beta1 released
As indicated on the e-antic PR, this prevents normaliz from working. So this is blocking a number of optional packages, and it would be great if this could be resolved quickly. Best, Travis On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 3:44:20 AM UTC+9 vdelecroix wrote: > e-antic is indeed not compatible (yet) with flint-3.0.0, see > https://github.com/flatsurf/e-antic/issues/263 > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 at 08:32, 'tsc...@ucdavis.edu' via sage-release > wrote: > > > > I am having an issue building e_antic that was not present for building > 10.2 from source. I've included the log file below. I first tried without > installing anything extra and then with a system libantic installation. > Both resulted in the same log file. > > > > Best, > > Travis > > > > Using cached file /home/travis/sage-build/upstream/e-antic-1.3.0.tar.gz > > e_antic-1.3.0 > > > > Setting up build directory for e_antic-1.3.0 > > Finished extraction > > No patch files found in ../patches > > > > Host system: > > Linux tscrim 6.2.0-37-generic #38~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu > Nov 2 18:01:13 UTC 2 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > > > > C compiler: gcc > > C compiler version: > > Using built-in specs. > > COLLECT_GCC=gcc > > COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/11/lto-wrapper > > OFFLOAD_TARGET_NAMES=nvptx-none:amdgcn-amdhsa > > OFFLOAD_TARGET_DEFAULT=1 > > Target: x86_64-linux-gnu > > Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Ubuntu > 11.4.0-1ubuntu1~22.04' > --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-11/README.Bugs > --enable-languages=c,ada,c++,go,brig,d,fortran,objc,obj-c++,m2 > --prefix=/usr --with-gcc-major-version-only --program-suffix=-11 > --program-prefix=x86_64-linux-gnu- --enable-shared --enable-linker-build-id > --libexecdir=/usr/lib --without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix > --libdir=/usr/lib --enable-nls --enable-bootstrap --enable-clocale=gnu > --enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-libstdcxx-time=yes > --with-default-libstdcxx-abi=new --enable-gnu-unique-object > --disable-vtable-verify --enable-plugin --enable-default-pie > --with-system-zlib --enable-libphobos-checking=release > --with-target-system-zlib=auto --enable-objc-gc=auto --enable-multiarch > --disable-werror --enable-cet --with-arch-32=i686 --with-abi=m64 > --with-multilib-list=m32,m64,mx32 --enable-multilib --with-tune=generic > --enable-offload-targets=nvptx-none=/build/gcc-11-XeT9lY/gcc-11-11.4.0/debian/tmp-nvptx/usr,amdgcn-amdhsa=/build/gcc-11-XeT9lY/gcc-11-11.4.0/debian/tmp-gcn/usr > > --without-cuda-driver --enable-checking=release --build=x86_64-linux-gnu > --host=x86_64-linux-gnu --target=x86_64-linux-gnu > --with-build-config=bootstrap-lto-lean --enable-link-serialization=2 > > Thread model: posix > > Supported LTO compression algorithms: zlib zstd > > gcc version 11.4.0 (Ubuntu 11.4.0-1ubuntu1~22.04) > > > > Package 'e_antic' is currently not installed > > No legacy uninstaller found for 'e_antic'; nothing to do > > Configuring e_antic-1.3.0 > > checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c > > checking whether build environment is sane... yes > > checking for a race-free mkdir -p... /usr/bin/mkdir -p > > checking for gawk... gawk > > checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes > > checking whether make supports nested variables... yes > > checking how to create a pax tar archive... gnutar > > checking that generated files are newer than configure... done > > configure: creating ./config.status > > config.status: creating Makefile > > === configuring in libeantic > (/home/travis/sage-build/local/var/tmp/sage/build/e_antic-1.3.0/src/libeantic) > > configure: running /usr/bin/bash ./configure --disable-option-checking > '--prefix=/home/travis/sage-build/local' > '--libdir=/home/travis/sage-build/local/lib' '--disable-static' > '--disable-maintainer-mode' '--disable-dependency-tracking' > '--without-byexample' '--without-doc' '--without-benchmark' > '--without-pyeantic' --cache-file=/dev/null --srcdir=. > > checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c > > checking whether build environment is sane... yes > > checking for a race-free mkdir -p... /usr/bin/mkdir -p > > checking for gawk... gawk > > checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes > > checking whether make supports nested variables... yes > > checking how to create a pax tar archive... gnutar > > checking whether make supports nested variables... (cached) yes > > checking build system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu > > checking host system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu > > checking how to print strings... printf > > checking whether make supports the include directive... yes (GNU style) > > checking for gcc... gcc > > checking whether the C compiler works... yes > > checking for C compiler default output
Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 10.3.beta1 released
e-antic is indeed not compatible (yet) with flint-3.0.0, see https://github.com/flatsurf/e-antic/issues/263 On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 at 08:32, 'tsc...@ucdavis.edu' via sage-release wrote: > > I am having an issue building e_antic that was not present for building 10.2 > from source. I've included the log file below. I first tried without > installing anything extra and then with a system libantic installation. Both > resulted in the same log file. > > Best, > Travis > > Using cached file /home/travis/sage-build/upstream/e-antic-1.3.0.tar.gz > e_antic-1.3.0 > > Setting up build directory for e_antic-1.3.0 > Finished extraction > No patch files found in ../patches > > Host system: > Linux tscrim 6.2.0-37-generic #38~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Nov > 2 18:01:13 UTC 2 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > > C compiler: gcc > C compiler version: > Using built-in specs. > COLLECT_GCC=gcc > COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/11/lto-wrapper > OFFLOAD_TARGET_NAMES=nvptx-none:amdgcn-amdhsa > OFFLOAD_TARGET_DEFAULT=1 > Target: x86_64-linux-gnu > Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Ubuntu > 11.4.0-1ubuntu1~22.04' --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-11/README.Bugs > --enable-languages=c,ada,c++,go,brig,d,fortran,objc,obj-c++,m2 --prefix=/usr > --with-gcc-major-version-only --program-suffix=-11 > --program-prefix=x86_64-linux-gnu- --enable-shared --enable-linker-build-id > --libexecdir=/usr/lib --without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix > --libdir=/usr/lib --enable-nls --enable-bootstrap --enable-clocale=gnu > --enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-libstdcxx-time=yes > --with-default-libstdcxx-abi=new --enable-gnu-unique-object > --disable-vtable-verify --enable-plugin --enable-default-pie > --with-system-zlib --enable-libphobos-checking=release > --with-target-system-zlib=auto --enable-objc-gc=auto --enable-multiarch > --disable-werror --enable-cet --with-arch-32=i686 --with-abi=m64 > --with-multilib-list=m32,m64,mx32 --enable-multilib --with-tune=generic > --enable-offload-targets=nvptx-none=/build/gcc-11-XeT9lY/gcc-11-11.4.0/debian/tmp-nvptx/usr,amdgcn-amdhsa=/build/gcc-11-XeT9lY/gcc-11-11.4.0/debian/tmp-gcn/usr > --without-cuda-driver --enable-checking=release --build=x86_64-linux-gnu > --host=x86_64-linux-gnu --target=x86_64-linux-gnu > --with-build-config=bootstrap-lto-lean --enable-link-serialization=2 > Thread model: posix > Supported LTO compression algorithms: zlib zstd > gcc version 11.4.0 (Ubuntu 11.4.0-1ubuntu1~22.04) > > Package 'e_antic' is currently not installed > No legacy uninstaller found for 'e_antic'; nothing to do > Configuring e_antic-1.3.0 > checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c > checking whether build environment is sane... yes > checking for a race-free mkdir -p... /usr/bin/mkdir -p > checking for gawk... gawk > checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes > checking whether make supports nested variables... yes > checking how to create a pax tar archive... gnutar > checking that generated files are newer than configure... done > configure: creating ./config.status > config.status: creating Makefile > === configuring in libeantic > (/home/travis/sage-build/local/var/tmp/sage/build/e_antic-1.3.0/src/libeantic) > configure: running /usr/bin/bash ./configure --disable-option-checking > '--prefix=/home/travis/sage-build/local' > '--libdir=/home/travis/sage-build/local/lib' '--disable-static' > '--disable-maintainer-mode' '--disable-dependency-tracking' > '--without-byexample' '--without-doc' '--without-benchmark' > '--without-pyeantic' --cache-file=/dev/null --srcdir=. > checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c > checking whether build environment is sane... yes > checking for a race-free mkdir -p... /usr/bin/mkdir -p > checking for gawk... gawk > checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes > checking whether make supports nested variables... yes > checking how to create a pax tar archive... gnutar > checking whether make supports nested variables... (cached) yes > checking build system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu > checking host system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu > checking how to print strings... printf > checking whether make supports the include directive... yes (GNU style) > checking for gcc... gcc > checking whether the C compiler works... yes > checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out > checking for suffix of executables... > checking whether we are cross compiling... no > checking for suffix of object files... o > checking whether the compiler supports GNU C... yes > checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes > checking for gcc option to enable C11 features... none needed > checking whether gcc understands -c and -o together... yes > checking dependency
[sage-release] Re: Sage 10.3.beta1 released
Thanks for the release. On Ubuntu 22.04 running on Xeon E5-2623 + 16 GB RAM: - parallel build (-j16) from a fresh git clone + pull develop, with system python (3.10.12): OK - make ptestlong gave a single error: sage -t --long --random-seed=676542016572831857751872562668780748 src/sage/numerical/backends/logging_backend.py # Killed due to abort The test is passed when run standalone. The same error (maybe a race issue) has been reported previously for Sage 9.6.beta2: https://groups.google.com/g/sage-release/c/vxYHQA6LUGw/m/0sfDdPnECAAJ https://groups.google.com/g/sage-release/c/vxYHQA6LUGw/m/GXGFksByAQAJ Eric. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/893c584b-ca1c-43e3-ac29-c2f137de32d9n%40googlegroups.com.
[sage-release] Re: Sage 10.3.beta1 released
e-antic doesn't support flint 3 yet https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/35848#issuecomment-1841661819 https://github.com/flatsurf/e-antic/pull/264 El martes, 12 de diciembre de 2023 a las 8:32:16 UTC+1, tsc...@ucdavis.edu escribió: I am having an issue building e_antic that was not present for building 10.2 from source. I've included the log file below. I first tried without installing anything extra and then with a system libantic installation. Both resulted in the same log file. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/0950d24d-3ebf-442d-9c7f-914ade148216n%40googlegroups.com.
[sage-release] Re: Sage 10.3.beta1 released
I am having an issue building e_antic that was not present for building 10.2 from source. I've included the log file below. I first tried without installing anything extra and then with a system libantic installation. Both resulted in the same log file. Best, Travis Using cached file /home/travis/sage-build/upstream/e-antic-1.3.0.tar.gz e_antic-1.3.0 Setting up build directory for e_antic-1.3.0 Finished extraction No patch files found in ../patches Host system: Linux tscrim 6.2.0-37-generic #38~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Nov 2 18:01:13 UTC 2 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux C compiler: gcc C compiler version: Using built-in specs. COLLECT_GCC=gcc COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/11/lto-wrapper OFFLOAD_TARGET_NAMES=nvptx-none:amdgcn-amdhsa OFFLOAD_TARGET_DEFAULT=1 Target: x86_64-linux-gnu Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Ubuntu 11.4.0-1ubuntu1~22.04' --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-11/README.Bugs --enable-languages=c,ada,c++,go,brig,d,fortran,objc,obj-c++,m2 --prefix=/usr --with-gcc-major-version-only --program-suffix=-11 --program-prefix=x86_64-linux-gnu- --enable-shared --enable-linker-build-id --libexecdir=/usr/lib --without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix --libdir=/usr/lib --enable-nls --enable-bootstrap --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-libstdcxx-time=yes --with-default-libstdcxx-abi=new --enable-gnu-unique-object --disable-vtable-verify --enable-plugin --enable-default-pie --with-system-zlib --enable-libphobos-checking=release --with-target-system-zlib=auto --enable-objc-gc=auto --enable-multiarch --disable-werror --enable-cet --with-arch-32=i686 --with-abi=m64 --with-multilib-list=m32,m64,mx32 --enable-multilib --with-tune=generic --enable-offload-targets=nvptx-none=/build/gcc-11-XeT9lY/gcc-11-11.4.0/debian/tmp-nvptx/usr,amdgcn-amdhsa=/build/gcc-11-XeT9lY/gcc-11-11.4.0/debian/tmp-gcn/usr --without-cuda-driver --enable-checking=release --build=x86_64-linux-gnu --host=x86_64-linux-gnu --target=x86_64-linux-gnu --with-build-config=bootstrap-lto-lean --enable-link-serialization=2 Thread model: posix Supported LTO compression algorithms: zlib zstd gcc version 11.4.0 (Ubuntu 11.4.0-1ubuntu1~22.04) Package 'e_antic' is currently not installed No legacy uninstaller found for 'e_antic'; nothing to do Configuring e_antic-1.3.0 checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for a race-free mkdir -p... /usr/bin/mkdir -p checking for gawk... gawk checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking whether make supports nested variables... yes checking how to create a pax tar archive... gnutar checking that generated files are newer than configure... done configure: creating ./config.status config.status: creating Makefile === configuring in libeantic (/home/travis/sage-build/local/var/tmp/sage/build/e_antic-1.3.0/src/libeantic) configure: running /usr/bin/bash ./configure --disable-option-checking '--prefix=/home/travis/sage-build/local' '--libdir=/home/travis/sage-build/local/lib' '--disable-static' '--disable-maintainer-mode' '--disable-dependency-tracking' '--without-byexample' '--without-doc' '--without-benchmark' '--without-pyeantic' --cache-file=/dev/null --srcdir=. checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for a race-free mkdir -p... /usr/bin/mkdir -p checking for gawk... gawk checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking whether make supports nested variables... yes checking how to create a pax tar archive... gnutar checking whether make supports nested variables... (cached) yes checking build system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu checking host system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu checking how to print strings... printf checking whether make supports the include directive... yes (GNU style) checking for gcc... gcc checking whether the C compiler works... yes checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out checking for suffix of executables... checking whether we are cross compiling... no checking for suffix of object files... o checking whether the compiler supports GNU C... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking for gcc option to enable C11 features... none needed checking whether gcc understands -c and -o together... yes checking dependency style of gcc... none checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /usr/bin/sed checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /usr/bin/grep checking for egrep... /usr/bin/grep -E checking for fgrep... /usr/bin/grep -F checking for ld used by gcc... ld checking if the linker (ld) is GNU ld... yes checking for BSD- or MS-compatible name lister (nm)...
[sage-release] Re: Sage 10.3.beta1 released
See: https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36859 Volker, it would be appreciated if you include this in beta2. Is it possible that your merge script somehow takes priority into account, not just pr number? Having a broken release is inconvenient for development. Best, Gonzalo On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 12:59:38 PM UTC-3 Antonio Rojas wrote: > On my distro, sagelib-only build, the new file > 'src/sage/libs/pari/convert_sage_matrix.pyx' is not being cythonized or > built. This causes major breakage, with many > > > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named > 'sage.libs.pari.convert_sage_matrix' > > errors. The first line of the file > > # sage_setup: distribution = sagemath-pari > > looks suspicious. Is 'sagemath-pari' actually a thing? I can't find any > other mention to it in the sage source. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/999f0dff-f8c6-4a84-876b-98387d1afd1cn%40googlegroups.com.
[sage-release] Re: Sage 10.3.beta1 released
On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 7:59:38 AM UTC-8 Antonio Rojas wrote: Is 'sagemath-pari' actually a thing? I can't find any other mention to it in the sage source. Not yet. https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/35095 adds it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/ea5667fb-9387-4fe5-bfbc-b378d9c9e90an%40googlegroups.com.
[sage-release] Re: Sage 10.3.beta1 released
Fixed in https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/36859 On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 7:59:38 AM UTC-8 Antonio Rojas wrote: > On my distro, sagelib-only build, the new file > 'src/sage/libs/pari/convert_sage_matrix.pyx' is not being cythonized or > built. This causes major breakage, with many > > > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named > 'sage.libs.pari.convert_sage_matrix' > > errors. The first line of the file > > # sage_setup: distribution = sagemath-pari > > looks suspicious. Is 'sagemath-pari' actually a thing? I can't find any > other mention to it in the sage source. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/a671dc9e-c783-4d89-889b-766f9dced67bn%40googlegroups.com.
[sage-release] Re: Sage 10.3.beta1 released
On my distro, sagelib-only build, the new file 'src/sage/libs/pari/convert_sage_matrix.pyx' is not being cythonized or built. This causes major breakage, with many > ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'sage.libs.pari.convert_sage_matrix' errors. The first line of the file # sage_setup: distribution = sagemath-pari looks suspicious. Is 'sagemath-pari' actually a thing? I can't find any other mention to it in the sage source. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/b89fb723-ed07-43c1-98fc-84953b9ae84an%40googlegroups.com.
