Re: [sage-support] Re: Sage 5.9
On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Franco Saliola wrote: > > > On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 3:11:14 PM UTC-4, William wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I don't know anything about http://sage.lacim.uqam.ca/, but I'm >> starting to get emails directly to me asking for help about it >> vanishing.Of course, I'll refer people to this thread. > > > I'm sorry about that. It took us a while to get it sorted out, but the > server is back up and running now. (The person who set up and maintained the > server is no longer working for us.) > >> >> Thoughts: >> >> This is a very interesting example of how our past approach of >> encouraging a lot of people we don't know to run random Sage notebook >> servers all over has the potential to confuse users and significantly >> harm the reputation of Sage. I had never considered this before. > > > I did not realize until this incident how many people were using our server. > I thought it was mainly used by our students and a few collaborators. > >> >> If >> I had, I might have wanted to have a requirement like: >> >> - either (1) don't call it Sage, or (2) we provide a backup system >> that periodically rsync's a copy of your notebook's file to a central >> server, just in case. > > > What about making it so that worksheets can be easily saved to a github > project or to Dropbox (or similar service)? This way, a user can control > where the backups are saved. That's a much better approach than what I suggested. The UI could make it *highly* recommended (with some sort of nag) that the user setup a link to Google Drive, Dropbox, or Github. William -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-support" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-support] Re: Sage 5.9
On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 3:11:14 PM UTC-4, William wrote: > > Hi, > > I don't know anything about http://sage.lacim.uqam.ca/, but I'm > starting to get emails directly to me asking for help about it > vanishing.Of course, I'll refer people to this thread. > I'm sorry about that. It took us a while to get it sorted out, but the server is back up and running now. (The person who set up and maintained the server is no longer working for us.) > Thoughts: > > This is a very interesting example of how our past approach of > encouraging a lot of people we don't know to run random Sage notebook > servers all over has the potential to confuse users and significantly > harm the reputation of Sage. I had never considered this before. I did not realize until this incident how many people were using our server. I thought it was mainly used by our students and a few collaborators. > If > I had, I might have wanted to have a requirement like: > > - either (1) don't call it Sage, or (2) we provide a backup system > that periodically rsync's a copy of your notebook's file to a central > server, just in case. > What about making it so that worksheets can be easily saved to a github project or to Dropbox (or similar service)? This way, a user can control where the backups are saved. It might be interesting to discuss technically how (2) would work. It > could, e.g., pre-encrypt the backups for each user separately using > their login credentials as a key, so as long as they can login they > could get their data out of this central backup. > One issue with that comes to mind is how to handle a password change; either intentionally, or if the password is reset when it is forgotten. I will very likely do something like the above with Sagemathcloud, > when instances start popping up all over. Make them choose a clearly > very different name to avoid confusion, or somehow link with a central > service to avoid hurting our poor users. To me the needs of our users > are by far the top priority. In particular, though "Stories about > student losing against their will "all hard work" make only their > teachers smile ...", I think instead that when this happens it is a > failure of the Sage community, and we should try to do better. > > -- William > > > > > 2015-05-28 12:12 GMT-07:00 Dominique Laurain >: > > Ouf, > > > > Merci..a vous pour avoir compris qu'il faut etre rapide... et surtout et > a > > Franco. > > > > Attendons un peu avant de crier victoire > > > > En tout cas, l'informaticien que je suis, va vous rappeler les bases : > > FAITES DES SAUVEGARDES VOUS-MEME ET REGULIEREMENT > > > > Les fichiers SAGE sont en gros des fichiers texte ...si il n'est pas > > immédiat de les convertir, ils sont quand meme exploitables sous un > éditeur > > de texte. > > > > Et puis organisez VITE votre migration sur le cloud SAGE..dés que le > serveur > > est reparti, vous téléchargez tout sur votre PC..1er sauvegarde > donc...puis > > rechargez tous sous le cloud...puis RAPIDEMENT les tests pour voir ce > qui > > est bon, et enfin pour finir un export en fichier PDF > > > > Dominique. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "sage-support" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to sage-support...@googlegroups.com . > > To post to this group, send email to sage-s...@googlegroups.com > . > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > William (http://wstein.org) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-support" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-support] Re: Sage 5.9
Thanks a lot, it's me Loubna hwo sent to you a mail, Now Sage is active. Le vendredi 29 mai 2015 21:11:14 UTC+2, William a écrit : > > Hi, > > I don't know anything about http://sage.lacim.uqam.ca/, but I'm > starting to get emails directly to me asking for help about it > vanishing.Of course, I'll refer people to this thread. > > Thoughts: > > This is a very interesting example of how our past approach of > encouraging a lot of people we don't know to run random Sage notebook > servers all over has the potential to confuse users and significantly > harm the reputation of Sage. I had never considered this before. If > I had, I might have wanted to have a requirement like: > > - either (1) don't call it Sage, or (2) we provide a backup system > that periodically rsync's a copy of your notebook's file to a central > server, just in case. > > It might be interesting to discuss technically how (2) would work. It > could, e.g., pre-encrypt the backups for each user separately using > their login credentials as a key, so as long as they can login they > could get their data out of this central backup. > > I will very likely do something like the above with Sagemathcloud, > when instances start popping up all over. Make them choose a clearly > very different name to avoid confusion, or somehow link with a central > service to avoid hurting our poor users. To me the needs of our users > are by far the top priority. In particular, though "Stories about > student losing against their will "all hard work" make only their > teachers smile ...", I think instead that when this happens it is a > failure of the Sage community, and we should try to do better. > > -- William > > > > > 2015-05-28 12:12 GMT-07:00 Dominique Laurain >: > > Ouf, > > > > Merci..a vous pour avoir compris qu'il faut etre rapide... et surtout et > a > > Franco. > > > > Attendons un peu avant de crier victoire > > > > En tout cas, l'informaticien que je suis, va vous rappeler les bases : > > FAITES DES SAUVEGARDES VOUS-MEME ET REGULIEREMENT > > > > Les fichiers SAGE sont en gros des fichiers texte ...si il n'est pas > > immédiat de les convertir, ils sont quand meme exploitables sous un > éditeur > > de texte. > > > > Et puis organisez VITE votre migration sur le cloud SAGE..dés que le > serveur > > est reparti, vous téléchargez tout sur votre PC..1er sauvegarde > donc...puis > > rechargez tous sous le cloud...puis RAPIDEMENT les tests pour voir ce > qui > > est bon, et enfin pour finir un export en fichier PDF > > > > Dominique. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "sage-support" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to sage-support...@googlegroups.com . > > To post to this group, send email to sage-s...@googlegroups.com > . > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > William (http://wstein.org) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-support" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-support] Re: Sage 5.9
Hi, I don't know anything about http://sage.lacim.uqam.ca/, but I'm starting to get emails directly to me asking for help about it vanishing.Of course, I'll refer people to this thread. Thoughts: This is a very interesting example of how our past approach of encouraging a lot of people we don't know to run random Sage notebook servers all over has the potential to confuse users and significantly harm the reputation of Sage. I had never considered this before. If I had, I might have wanted to have a requirement like: - either (1) don't call it Sage, or (2) we provide a backup system that periodically rsync's a copy of your notebook's file to a central server, just in case. It might be interesting to discuss technically how (2) would work. It could, e.g., pre-encrypt the backups for each user separately using their login credentials as a key, so as long as they can login they could get their data out of this central backup. I will very likely do something like the above with Sagemathcloud, when instances start popping up all over. Make them choose a clearly very different name to avoid confusion, or somehow link with a central service to avoid hurting our poor users. To me the needs of our users are by far the top priority. In particular, though "Stories about student losing against their will "all hard work" make only their teachers smile ...", I think instead that when this happens it is a failure of the Sage community, and we should try to do better. -- William 2015-05-28 12:12 GMT-07:00 Dominique Laurain : > Ouf, > > Merci..a vous pour avoir compris qu'il faut etre rapide... et surtout et a > Franco. > > Attendons un peu avant de crier victoire > > En tout cas, l'informaticien que je suis, va vous rappeler les bases : > FAITES DES SAUVEGARDES VOUS-MEME ET REGULIEREMENT > > Les fichiers SAGE sont en gros des fichiers texte ...si il n'est pas > immédiat de les convertir, ils sont quand meme exploitables sous un éditeur > de texte. > > Et puis organisez VITE votre migration sur le cloud SAGE..dés que le serveur > est reparti, vous téléchargez tout sur votre PC..1er sauvegarde donc...puis > rechargez tous sous le cloud...puis RAPIDEMENT les tests pour voir ce qui > est bon, et enfin pour finir un export en fichier PDF > > Dominique. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-support" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-support" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-support] Re: Sage 5.9
Until now no answer Le mercredi 27 mai 2015 16:46:38 UTC+2, vdelecroix a écrit : > > Hello, > > On 27/05/15 15:27, jlassi ines wrote: > > Hello, > > still now i don't find any solution, what should i to do? > > What did they say at LACIM? > > Vincent > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-support" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-support] Re: Sage 5.9
Hello, On 27/05/15 15:27, jlassi ines wrote: Hello, still now i don't find any solution, what should i to do? What did they say at LACIM? Vincent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-support" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-support] Re: Sage 5.9
Merci pour votre réponse, j'ai essayé de contacter des gens de Lacim mais je n'ai pas trouvé, je contacterai les deux noms que vous m'avez donné, Joublie à chaque fois de télecharger mes codes surtout parce que je travaille sur plusieurs ordinateurs au même temps;, Amicalemnt Inès Le lundi 25 mai 2015 12:37:34 UTC+2, vdelecroix a écrit : > > Bonjour Ines, > > Le serveur est au Lacim (Montreal, Quebec). Je ne sais pas qui est > responsable de la maintenance la-bas. Il faut chercher directement sur > le site du Lacim. > > Meme sur les notebook en ligne il est possible de sauvegarder son > travail sur sa machine personnelle (il faut cliquer sur "save worksheet > to a file..." dans le menu "file"). Ce fichier peut alors etre utilise > sur d'autres serveurs... et ca fait une sauvegarde! > > Je ne pense pas que ton travail soit perdu, mais il faut te rapprocher > des gens du Lacim. Si tu ne trouves pas, je pense que tu peux contacter > Franco Saliola ou bien Alexandre Blondin Massé pour leur demander. > > Amicalement, > Vincent > > On 25/05/15 12:28, jlassi ines wrote: > > Bonjour, > > En fait je travaille directement sur internet er j'utilise sage > > 5.9 http://sage.lacim.uqam.ca/ ya plus que deux ans, c'est la première > fois > > que le problème de maintenance a duré plus qu'une semaine. > > le grand problème pour moi c'est que je suis en deuxième année de thèse > et > > tous mes codes sont sur sage 5.9 en ligne du coup maintenat je n'arrive > pas > > à avancer sans les avoir. > > Merci pour votre réponse > > Ines > > > > Le samedi 23 mai 2015 08:10:00 UTC+2, Dominique Laurain a écrit : > >> > >> Bonjour Ines, > >> > >> Precisez SVP l'adresse du site internet que vous utilisez ? > >> > >> Est-ce que c'est bien : https://cloud.sagemath.com/ ? > >> > >> Si oui, il se peut que votre souci, soit simplement une erreur de > >> configuration de votre PC, ou des équipements réseau proche de là où > vous > >> êtes (Tunis ?) > >> > >> En informatique réseau, cela s'appelle les DNS ( > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System) et cela permet de > >> traduire une "URL" (https://cloud.sagemath.com) en adresse Internet > >> numérique de la forme (xx.xx.xx.xx) > >> > >> Comme il y a du mouvement ces temps-ci (il y a deux semaines environ) > des > >> calculateurs de l'Universite de Washinton hébergeant SAGE vers d'autres > >> serveurs informatiques, il se peut que les "names services" ( DNS ) > soient > >> mal configurés localement sur votre PC ou votre fournisseur d'accès > >> internet. > >> > >> Pour en etre sure, ouvrez un navigateur à l'adresse : > >> http://ping.eu/nslookup/ et copier-coller https://cloud.sagemath.com > >> après "address or host name:" puis retour ligne. La page se réaffiche > avec > >> Address: 130.211.100.9 > >> > >> Vu de mon PC (en France...) l'adresse IP du cloud SAGE est > 130.211.100.9 > >> Dans la barre du navigateur, saisir alors : https://130.211.100.9 > >> et la page web "SageMathCloud" devrait alors s'afficher. > >> > >> Dominique > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-support" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-support] Re: Sage 5.9
Bonjour Ines, Le serveur est au Lacim (Montreal, Quebec). Je ne sais pas qui est responsable de la maintenance la-bas. Il faut chercher directement sur le site du Lacim. Meme sur les notebook en ligne il est possible de sauvegarder son travail sur sa machine personnelle (il faut cliquer sur "save worksheet to a file..." dans le menu "file"). Ce fichier peut alors etre utilise sur d'autres serveurs... et ca fait une sauvegarde! Je ne pense pas que ton travail soit perdu, mais il faut te rapprocher des gens du Lacim. Si tu ne trouves pas, je pense que tu peux contacter Franco Saliola ou bien Alexandre Blondin Massé pour leur demander. Amicalement, Vincent On 25/05/15 12:28, jlassi ines wrote: Bonjour, En fait je travaille directement sur internet er j'utilise sage 5.9 http://sage.lacim.uqam.ca/ ya plus que deux ans, c'est la première fois que le problème de maintenance a duré plus qu'une semaine. le grand problème pour moi c'est que je suis en deuxième année de thèse et tous mes codes sont sur sage 5.9 en ligne du coup maintenat je n'arrive pas à avancer sans les avoir. Merci pour votre réponse Ines Le samedi 23 mai 2015 08:10:00 UTC+2, Dominique Laurain a écrit : Bonjour Ines, Precisez SVP l'adresse du site internet que vous utilisez ? Est-ce que c'est bien : https://cloud.sagemath.com/ ? Si oui, il se peut que votre souci, soit simplement une erreur de configuration de votre PC, ou des équipements réseau proche de là où vous êtes (Tunis ?) En informatique réseau, cela s'appelle les DNS ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System) et cela permet de traduire une "URL" (https://cloud.sagemath.com) en adresse Internet numérique de la forme (xx.xx.xx.xx) Comme il y a du mouvement ces temps-ci (il y a deux semaines environ) des calculateurs de l'Universite de Washinton hébergeant SAGE vers d'autres serveurs informatiques, il se peut que les "names services" ( DNS ) soient mal configurés localement sur votre PC ou votre fournisseur d'accès internet. Pour en etre sure, ouvrez un navigateur à l'adresse : http://ping.eu/nslookup/ et copier-coller https://cloud.sagemath.com après "address or host name:" puis retour ligne. La page se réaffiche avec Address: 130.211.100.9 Vu de mon PC (en France...) l'adresse IP du cloud SAGE est 130.211.100.9 Dans la barre du navigateur, saisir alors : https://130.211.100.9 et la page web "SageMathCloud" devrait alors s'afficher. Dominique -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-support" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-support+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
