Re: A little bit of history...repeating
- Original Message - From: Simon Cooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 3:17 AM Subject: Re: A little bit of history...repeating From: Frans van Egmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Still one question left; what happened to (any) leftover stock from West Coast Computers ? Bob ate it. A sudden image of bob as Hanibal Lechter jumps into mind! (Si, up at 3-15 am UK time???!!!)
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:17:49 -0800 Sun, 31 Dec 00 03:19:14 GMT, Simon Cooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frans van Egmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Still one question left; what happened to (any) leftover stock from West Coast Computers ? Bob ate it. Si Bob told me once that there is a 'lock-up' garage or something somewhere, where he suspected there was quite a bit of interesting SAM gear. Nev might know something about that? PING Nev. Dave
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
- Original Message - From: Dave Whitmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 3:22 AM Subject: Re: A little bit of history...repeating On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:17:49 -0800 Sun, 31 Dec 00 03:19:14 GMT, Simon Cooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frans van Egmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Still one question left; what happened to (any) leftover stock from West Coast Computers ? Bob ate it. Si Bob told me once that there is a 'lock-up' garage or something somewhere, where he suspected there was quite a bit of interesting SAM gear. Nev might know something about that? PING Nev. Dave Another sad soul up at silly hours :) IRC anyone? undernet, channel #samusers ??
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
on 30/12/00 10:42 am, Nev Young at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know when Format passed away, peacefully in it's sleep, uncle Bobby had to go get a job. He now works for a small company building and maintaining PCs and selling web space. What about Format PC? Gavin
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
- Original Message - From: Gavin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 3:26 AM Subject: Re: A little bit of history...repeating on 30/12/00 10:42 am, Nev Young at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know when Format passed away, peacefully in it's sleep, uncle Bobby had to go get a job. He now works for a small company building and maintaining PCs and selling web space. What about Format PC? Formated the disks?
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 03:23:49 - Sun, 31 Dec 00 03:26:13 GMT, David L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another sad soul up at silly hours :) I'm not sad at all. I'm dying with a cold and I'm sparing the missus the joys of my sniffing, coughing and spluttering. That half litre of Whisky is doing the business though, so it shouldn't be too long b4 I collapse. :-) IRC anyone? undernet, channel #samusers ?? Bugger.. I haven't installed MIRC... Oh well. Another time maybe. Happy New Year (for tomorrow) everybody. Dave
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
- Original Message - From: Dave Whitmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 3:30 AM Subject: Re: A little bit of history...repeating On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 03:23:49 - Sun, 31 Dec 00 03:26:13 GMT, David L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another sad soul up at silly hours :) I'm not sad at all. I'm dying with a cold and I'm sparing the missus the joys of my sniffing, coughing and spluttering. Good on you! At least you've got some great telly on at the mo :) That half litre of Whisky is doing the business though, so it shouldn't be too long b4 I collapse. :-) Best medicene! IRC anyone? undernet, channel #samusers ?? Bugger.. I haven't installed MIRC... Oh well. Another time maybe. Darn well, would have been nice eh? Happy New Year (for tomorrow) everybody. Dave And happy new centuary from me too...!
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
on 31/12/00 3:30 am, Dave Whitmore at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 03:23:49 - Sun, 31 Dec 00 03:26:13 GMT, David L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another sad soul up at silly hours :) I'm not sad at all. I'm dying with a cold and I'm sparing the missus the joys of my sniffing, coughing and spluttering. That half litre of Whisky is doing the business though, so it shouldn't be too long b4 I collapse. :-) Half price Stella at your local Co-Op now ;) Oh and Red Square, drinking one now, mm. You must try it. You must. IRC anyone? undernet, channel #samusers ?? Bugger.. I haven't installed MIRC... Oh well. Another time maybe. I'm there. But I'm also drunk so I've no idea if anyone else is. Oh well. Gavin
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 03:33:42 - Sun, 31 Dec 00 03:39:38 GMT, David L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good on you! At least you've got some great telly on at the mo :) What am I missing?! Jesus, I've been sat here trying to suss the intricacies of making VCDs all night and missing out on TV. That half litre of Whisky is doing the business though, so it shouldn't be too long b4 I collapse. :-) Best medicene! Probably, but as long as I can still spell, I'm not getting there. IRC anyone? undernet, channel #samusers ?? Bugger.. I haven't installed MIRC... Oh well. Another time maybe. Darn well, would have been nice eh? Aye, never mind. Happy New Year (for tomorrow) everybody. Dave And happy new centuary from me too...! Why is it that /some/ people insist that 2001 is the beginning of a new century. Please explain the logic behind this argument, and tell me why most of the world celebrated it last year? Probably getting there (pour another... please forgive this rubbish - sober people) - Dave
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
- Original Message - From: Dave Whitmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 3:48 AM Subject: Re: A little bit of history...repeating On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 03:33:42 - Sun, 31 Dec 00 03:39:38 GMT, David L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good on you! At least you've got some great telly on at the mo :) What am I missing?! Jesus, I've been sat here trying to suss the intricacies of making VCDs all night and missing out on TV. Sarcasm ;) That half litre of Whisky is doing the business though, so it shouldn't be too long b4 I collapse. :-) Best medicene! Probably, but as long as I can still spell, I'm not getting there. My excuse is tiredness, plus I've hurt my arm (I forgot to open a door when running through it ;) IRC anyone? undernet, channel #samusers ?? Bugger.. I haven't installed MIRC... Oh well. Another time maybe. Darn well, would have been nice eh? Aye, never mind. Happy New Year (for tomorrow) everybody. Dave And happy new centuary from me too...! Why is it that /some/ people insist that 2001 is the beginning of a new century. Please explain the logic behind this argument, and tell me why most of the world celebrated it last year? Easy - no year 0 - and 2000 + 1 = 2001 Probably getting there (pour another... please forgive this rubbish - sober people) - Dave Hic!
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
on 31/12/00 3:48 am, Dave Whitmore at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it that /some/ people insist that 2001 is the beginning of a new century. Please explain the logic behind this argument, and tell me why most of the world celebrated it last year? There was no 0 AD. Therefore it's the new century and millenium. I don't give a fsck about the century but I intend to wish everyone a happy new millenium. God, I love Red Square. Probably getting there (pour another... please forgive this rubbish - sober people) - Dave It's only £5.99 you know. £5.99 for 12 pack of Stella, that's not bad. *nods* Gavin
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Easy - no year 0 - and 2000 + 1 = 2001 So the people said 'this is year 1', even though it didn't happen? I mean, I wasn't 1 until I'd lived a year. It still doesn't explain why everyone celebrated it last year. Maybe they're all cretins? Dave
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
- Original Message - From: Dave Whitmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 3:58 AM Subject: Re: A little bit of history...repeating Easy - no year 0 - and 2000 + 1 = 2001 So the people said 'this is year 1', even though it didn't happen? I mean, I wasn't 1 until I'd lived a year. It still doesn't explain why everyone celebrated it last year. Maybe they're all cretins? Yes, they probably are. ;)
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 03:59:37 - Sun, 31 Dec 00 04:01:10 GMT, David L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the people said 'this is year 1', even though it didn't happen? I mean, I wasn't 1 until I'd lived a year. It still doesn't explain why everyone celebrated it last year. Maybe they're all cretins? Yes, they probably are. ;) Do you know what I think (hic)? I think that it's all of those Christians fault and those stupid hypocrit Romans. All this BC rubbish. What's the real year, I'd like to know? ;) Dave
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
- Original Message - From: Dave Whitmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 3:58 AM Subject: Re: A little bit of history...repeating Easy - no year 0 - and 2000 + 1 = 2001 So the people said 'this is year 1', even though it didn't happen? I mean, I wasn't 1 until I'd lived a year. It still doesn't explain why everyone celebrated it last year. Maybe they're all cretins? Register my vote for the cretin theory. Nobody actually said this is year 1 - the system was introduced by the Venerable Bede about the seventh century. Think about it. What's the date? 1BC, eh? Blimey, hope He turns up soon or we're really stuffed...
RE: A little bit of history...repeating
VCD's?! Sounds interesting. What I'm after is a program that can write text and music to a VCD to use as Karaoke discs (my new job!). The alternative, CD+G seems to be a little PC unfriendly. So if anybody has any idea how I can mak emy own VCD's using perhaps something like PowerPoint to make the graphics and a WAV file for the music, let me know. And a happy new year to everybody as well whilst I'm here! Cheers, Johnna -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Whitmore Sent: 31 December 2000 03:49 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: A little bit of history...repeating On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 03:33:42 - Sun, 31 Dec 00 03:39:38 GMT, David L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good on you! At least you've got some great telly on at the mo :) What am I missing?! Jesus, I've been sat here trying to suss the intricacies of making VCDs all night and missing out on TV. That half litre of Whisky is doing the business though, so it shouldn't be too long b4 I collapse. :-) Best medicene! Probably, but as long as I can still spell, I'm not getting there. IRC anyone? undernet, channel #samusers ?? Bugger.. I haven't installed MIRC... Oh well. Another time maybe. Darn well, would have been nice eh? Aye, never mind. Happy New Year (for tomorrow) everybody. Dave And happy new centuary from me too...! Why is it that /some/ people insist that 2001 is the beginning of a new century. Please explain the logic behind this argument, and tell me why most of the world celebrated it last year? Probably getting there (pour another... please forgive this rubbish - sober people) - Dave
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
- Original Message - From: Johnna Teare [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 11:04 AM Subject: RE: A little bit of history...repeating VCD's?! Sounds interesting. What I'm after is a program that can write text and music to a VCD to use as Karaoke discs (my new job!). The alternative, CD+G seems to be a little PC unfriendly. So if anybody has any idea how I can mak emy own VCD's using perhaps something like PowerPoint to make the graphics and a WAV file for the music, let me know. Working on capturing some vids to vid cd's soon myself... so long as it's compatible with my nice multi-region dvd player, that's all i'm concerned with :)
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
Couldn't tell you about WinCoupe but I do know that SimCoupe on the Mac has had a couple of updates lately. Which was nice. I wonder what are these updates. Nobody contacted me and wanted the latest sources for years. So is it a port of an unfinished Win32 version to Mac? Eh? Or is it another (third) new clone of SimCoupe?
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
You might find this amusing. It was in today's Guardian, reprinted from a copy of The Times from 1799 We have uniformly rejected all letters and declined all discussion upon the question of when the present century ends, as it is one of the most absurd that can engage the public attention, and we are astonished that it has been the subject of so much dispute, since it appears plain. The present century will not terminate until January 1st 1801, unless it can be made out that 99 are 100. ... It is a silly childish discussion, and only exposes the want of brains of those who maintain a contrary opinion to what we have stated. So, if the establishment could count back then - why can't they count now? Has teaching become that poor. Nice. :-) Maybe 1900 is not as magic as 2000.
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
- Original Message - From: Aley Keprt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 4:49 AM Subject: Re: A little bit of history...repeating You might find this amusing. It was in today's Guardian, reprinted from a copy of The Times from 1799 We have uniformly rejected all letters and declined all discussion upon the question of when the present century ends, as it is one of the most absurd that can engage the public attention, and we are astonished that it has been the subject of so much dispute, since it appears plain. The present century will not terminate until January 1st 1801, unless it can be made out that 99 are 100. ... It is a silly childish discussion, and only exposes the want of brains of those who maintain a contrary opinion to what we have stated. So, if the establishment could count back then - why can't they count now? Has teaching become that poor. Nice. :-) Maybe 1900 is not as magic as 2000. 1800 actually ;)
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
- Original Message - From: Johnna Teare [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 12:33 AM Subject: A little bit of history...repeating it seems a bit like tempting an argument here, but i was just wondering what ever happened to Bob Brenchley, Hanging out in a personal... whoops, sorry Nev, singles groups the missing sam clocks, Probably stuck on his stairs with his book collection (has he spent out on some more bookcases yet Nev?) West Coast Computers, Gone west, where the air is fine (ahem!) the proposed 3D sam game by Colin Piggot, Proposed? If you mean Stratosphere... havent u bought it yet If you mean a certain other game... well, I'm sure Colin can point u in the right direction for that! WinCoupe's relaunch and I'm sure I saw another post on a similar vein to this about 5 milliseconds ago... the rest of it. The rest of it...? Well, Deep Thought is still figuring that out! If anybody has any of the latest news, let me know coz I've just gone all nostalgic for some reason. Good-oh on u!!!
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
on 30/12/00 12:33 am, Johnna Teare at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it seems a bit like tempting an argument here, but i was just wondering what ever happened to Bob Brenchley, the missing sam clocks, West Coast Computers, the proposed 3D sam game by Colin Piggot, WinCoupe's relaunch and the rest of it. Bob pissed off leaving a lot of people er pissed off. No SAM Clocks were ever sent out to my knowledge - I certainly never received mine. WCC, whatever/whoever he/she/it/they were have ceased to be as far as anyone can tell, though God knows where their leftover stock is. www.quazar.clara.net has info on Colin's next game and there's probably going to be some kind of update in the next SC if you're a subber (I can't remember if you are or not). It looks fab from what I've seen of it by the way. Couldn't tell you about WinCoupe but I do know that SimCoupe on the Mac has had a couple of updates lately. Which was nice. If anybody has any of the latest news, let me know coz I've just gone all nostalgic for some reason. SC is going nicely, with a couple of new columns for the next issue. Subscription figures continue to climb slowly but surely. Things are trundling along in their usual merry way. Gavin
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
From: Johnna Teare [EMAIL PROTECTED] it seems a bit like tempting an argument here, but i was just wondering what ever happened to Bob Brenchley, the missing sam clocks, West Coast Computers, the proposed 3D sam game by Colin Piggot, WinCoupe's relaunch and the rest of it. 3d sam game by Colin Piggot... you must mean 'CHROME'. It is in development you know! There's some info on my website about it - mainly reprints of the articles that were in the newsletters I send out with Soundbyte, as well as the articles on it that have appeared in Sam Community magazine. Check my website: www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ The website is updated every week or fortnight, still a bit to write for it such as a full list of prices and that to go up, but i do have up-to-date info booklets i post out if anyone wants all the info on all my software and hardware. (And if you are after 3d sam games... there is still Stratosphere you can play in the mean time. for those that dont know of that one (if that is possible!) go to my website ! :) Colin Piggot. === Quazar: Hardware and Software for the Sam www.quazar.clara.net/sam/
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
- Original Message - From: Colin Piggot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 12:54 AM Subject: Re: A little bit of history...repeating From: Johnna Teare [EMAIL PROTECTED] it seems a bit like tempting an argument here, but i was just wondering what ever happened to Bob Brenchley, the missing sam clocks, West Coast Computers, the proposed 3D sam game by Colin Piggot, WinCoupe's relaunch and the rest of it. 3d sam game by Colin Piggot... you must mean 'CHROME'. It is in development you know! There's some info on my website about it - mainly reprints of the articles that were in the newsletters I send out with Soundbyte, as well as the articles on it that have appeared in Sam Community magazine. Check my website: www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ The website is updated every week or fortnight, still a bit to write for it such as a full list of prices and that to go up, but i do have up-to-date info booklets i post out if anyone wants all the info on all my software and hardware. (And if you are after 3d sam games... there is still Stratosphere you can play in the mean time. for those that dont know of that one (if that is possible!) go to my website ! :) Colin Piggot. === Quazar: Hardware and Software for the Sam www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ And don't you still make that excellent, wonderful, super smashing marvellous Soundcard as well??? Still the best thing since sliced bread, and with more channels than you can wave a big stick at Seriously, if you want to spend cash on your SAM - u could do no worse than buying a nice copy of Strato, with a Surround Sound Card from this nice gentleman above!
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
Dear Fellow SAM Users, (Note, I still own a SAM, although negotiations are underway!) Ages ago, when I joined the SAM users group, I added a few AOL users to my 'buddy' list, which is a form of Instant Messaging. One such address was [EMAIL PROTECTED] After months of inactivity, I've noticed that 'BrenchleyR' recently seems to be online now and again. This may be the the notorious Format supremo, or a new user, but someone is out there, and active Sorry if I've given you all nightmares. The dawning of the year 2001 may bring retrospectives of HAL 9000 (from the film 2001), but 'BrenchleyR' may be even more worrying! (Whatever he says, I still reckon he owes me money for non-dispatch of goods, etc.!) Phil Glover, (semi-merry, 1am)
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
Quick note: Although I've noticed that [EMAIL PROTECTED] seems to have been resurrected, I haven't noticed that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is present. Mind you, AOL members (for our sins) can have several screen identities, not that I'm implying that Brenchley and Ritman are one of the same for so much as an instant While I'm here, HAPPY NEW YEAR to everyone! Phil Glover
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 1:01 AM Subject: Re: A little bit of history...repeating Dear Fellow SAM Users, (Note, I still own a SAM, although negotiations are underway!) Ages ago, when I joined the SAM users group, I added a few AOL users to my 'buddy' list, which is a form of Instant Messaging. One such address was [EMAIL PROTECTED] After months of inactivity, I've noticed that 'BrenchleyR' recently seems to be online now and again. This may be the the notorious Format supremo, or a new user, but someone is out there, and active Sorry if I've given you all nightmares. The dawning of the year 2001 may bring retrospectives of HAL 9000 (from the film 2001), but 'BrenchleyR' may be even more worrying! Frequent visitors on some more personal-ish newsgroups will also notice this strange co-incidence... Also some people may gain cruel satisfaction from knowing that BB is on AOL... but, that's only some people :) (Whatever he says, I still reckon he owes me money for non-dispatch of goods, etc.!) And I've still got a slander charge - or explosive charge (cant remember which?) to deliver to him :) TTFN ;) PS: You still ok with those mags Phil?
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 1:09 AM Subject: Re: A little bit of history...repeating Quick note: Although I've noticed that [EMAIL PROTECTED] seems to have been resurrected, I haven't noticed that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is present. Mind you, AOL members (for our sins) can have several screen identities, not that I'm implying that Brenchley and Ritman are one of the same for so much as an instant While I'm here, HAPPY NEW YEAR to everyone! And Happy New Centuary to you too... And on that subject, this gem from uncle bobby. A friend (yes, I do have one or two) sent me this by email today:- You might find this amusing. It was in today's Guardian, reprinted from a copy of The Times from 1799 We have uniformly rejected all letters and declined all discussion upon the question of when the present century ends, as it is one of the most absurd that can engage the public attention, and we are astonished that it has been the subject of so much dispute, since it appears plain. The present century will not terminate until January 1st 1801, unless it can be made out that 99 are 100. ... It is a silly childish discussion, and only exposes the want of brains of those who maintain a contrary opinion to what we have stated. So, if the establishment could count back then - why can't they count now? Has teaching become that poor. -- Bob. Good on ya Bob, for once I agree with you :)
Re: A little bit of history...repeating
On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 00:33:45 -, Johnna Teare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it seems a bit like tempting an argument here, but i was just wondering what ever happened to Bob Brenchley, the missing sam clocks, West Coast Computers, the proposed 3D sam game by Colin Piggot, WinCoupe's relaunch and the rest of it. If anybody has any of the latest news, let me know coz I've just gone all nostalgic for some reason. As far as I know when Format passed away, peacefully in it's sleep, uncle Bobby had to go get a job. He now works for a small company building and maintaining PCs and selling web space. He is still to be found in several usenet discussion groups such as uk.singles (quite right DL not a personals group) where he is one of the two resident evil tory bastards. Bob is the one without the gun. alt.cats where he quite rightly annoys the merkins who think cats are an indoor animal. alt.gnashing.teeth uk.rec.legal uk.rec.naturist and possibly a few more. He even claims to occasionally download what has been going on here just to keep up. He is no longer on AOL. (You don't really want to know where he posts from do you ?) He has recently become a grandfather by his son on the 7th Dec last. His daughter Annie is still very pretty and available. His long suffering wife is still suffering. He has two cats. What more is there to say? oh yes I know, Best to let sleeping dogs lie. -- Nev - no longer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ
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Thanks for the update ;) Still one question left; what happened to (any) leftover stock from West Coast Computers ? Frans Nev Young wrote: On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 00:33:45 -, Johnna Teare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it seems a bit like tempting an argument here, but i was just wondering what ever happened to Bob Brenchley, the missing sam clocks, West Coast Computers, the proposed 3D sam game by Colin Piggot, WinCoupe's relaunch and the rest of it. If anybody has any of the latest news, let me know coz I've just gone all nostalgic for some reason. As far as I know when Format passed away, peacefully in it's sleep, uncle Bobby had to go get a job. He now works for a small company building and maintaining PCs and selling web space. He is still to be found in several usenet discussion groups such as uk.singles (quite right DL not a personals group) where he is one of the two resident evil tory bastards. Bob is the one without the gun. alt.cats where he quite rightly annoys the merkins who think cats are an indoor animal. alt.gnashing.teeth uk.rec.legal uk.rec.naturist and possibly a few more. He even claims to occasionally download what has been going on here just to keep up. He is no longer on AOL. (You don't really want to know where he posts from do you ?) He has recently become a grandfather by his son on the 7th Dec last. His daughter Annie is still very pretty and available. His long suffering wife is still suffering. He has two cats. What more is there to say? oh yes I know, Best to let sleeping dogs lie. -- Nev - no longer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and getting no spam at all (yet) Webpage under construction at www,nfy53,demon,co,uk also hiding on ICQ
