Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2
Justin Skists wrote: I got the newsletter at the weekend. Good job, Gavin. Hell, there was some stuff in there that even I didn't know about!! And yes, I'd agree to the suggestion about making it into more than just a newsletter. Glad you liked it Justin. For everyone else, the Newsletter is simply four pages of A4, with pure news (i.e. no editorial, no reviews, no features etc). The idea behind this was so it wouldn't get in the way of sales to the other mags such as Fred, Format and Blitz etc. However, as these seem to no longer exist or at least no longer exist regularly, perhaps it's now to think about expanding the Newsletter into a full mag. My original plan was to stick with paper, as the vast majority of the current members don't have Internet access. I understand what Dave Whitmore means about messing around with stamps etc, but I can't do an Internet only edition for obvious reasons and I don't know if I could be arsed doing the paper zine and an online edition (although Dave kindly offered to help with the second). So, what do you think about this idea? A bi-monthly disk mag - this would have the advantage of being downloadable via the Net in .dsk format, or it can be sent through the post on a floppy. Of course, I'm not talking about producing a Fred style mag, very few people are writing things for the SAM the way they used to. However, it could still contain the news that would have gone into the paper zine, but with screenshots, some editorial, even features (there are some German SAM features which I don't believe have been translated into English yet for example). The rest of the disk may as well be filled with any new bits and pieces I can get my hands on. There's still the odd new thing appearing for the SAM. I also receive quite a few letters which could go nicely on the disk, along with any relevant emails etc. Nothing spectular, nothing like the Fred glory days, but one single resource that contains news, screenshots, any new bits and pieces - what do you think? Gavin
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Personally, I think I'd prefer a paper based version. -Original Message- From: Gavin Smith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Nothing spectular, nothing like the Fred glory days, but one single resource that contains news, screenshots, any new bits and pieces - what do you think? Gavin
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Gavin Smith wrote: So, what do you think about this idea? A bi-monthly disk mag - this would have the advantage of being downloadable via the Net in .dsk format, or it can be sent through the post on a floppy. Justin Skists wrote: Personally, I think I'd prefer a paper based version. I think I would subscribe for a disk / .dsk magazine (probably the .dsk myself). This would give me a reason to look at SimCoupe... Otherwise, I would also be interested in a paper / .pdf magazine. You're using a Mac right? (From your e-mail headers... Hey Netscape 4.7?! And OS/2 only has 4.61! *snif*) Anyway, I think there is a Mac version of GhostScript which produces .pdf files. Take a look at this site: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ Then I would be able to print off a copy myself, and read it from paper, with all the layout that you intended. If you opt for this, then you will be limited to the fonts: Times New Roman, Helvetica, Courier, Symbol and Dingbats. But in my humble opinion, this is all that is required to produce a professional looking magazine. Thoughts? -- James Gasson
Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2
Gavin Smith wrote: So, what do you think about this idea? A bi-monthly disk mag - this would have the advantage of being downloadable via the Net in .dsk format, or it can be sent through the post on a floppy. Justin Skists wrote: Personally, I think I'd prefer a paper based version. Gasson wrote: I would also be interested in a paper / .pdf magazine. Hey, just a sec, why not do both? Put the news on paper / .pdf where it belongs, and programs on disk / .dsk so you don't have to type the sodding things in. Send out print / .pdf for every issue, and accompany it with a disk / .dsk for every second (or third) issue. That way we'd have the best of both worlds. And you can put an outline of a disk on the cover, with a phrase like Oh no! Cat got your cover disk? Better ask your friendly news agent!, it'll be just like the good old days of Crash / YS! If you manage to pull this off, then you can definately count me in. -- James Gasson
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I got the newsletter at the weekend. Good job, Gavin. Hell, there was some stuff in there that even I didn't know about!! And yes, I'd agree to the suggestion about making it into more than just a newsletter. -Original Message- From: Gavin Smith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Issue 2 of the Newsletter is now available. If you want a copy of the 4 page A4 newsletter for SAM Coupé owners, send me an email with your address and I'll send you a free copy. Alternatively, send me 2 quid and you'll get the next 6 issues (a good time to do it, as this price won't last much longer). This issue includes a show report from the latest SAM and Speccy show. Gavin
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Graham Goring wrote: I believe that the Russian can supply them with the launchers for a very reasonable fee. Only last week I got a nuclear submarine for using along the canal. Shouldn't cost too much. After all, the entire Russian economy is worth what? UKP2.50 these days? Slightly less. So I could go and buy the whole Russian economy for two of your english pounds?? Hmm. [Sound of brain trying to think of a dastardly evil plan] Kinda begs the question: What do you do with a russian economy once you've got one.? Just another of those impulse buys that gets put in cupboard after a week no doubt. The Russian economy is for life, not just for Christmas Fitz -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert
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Hmm, if you were to raise FRED from the dead, then the moment I get a decent PC capable of running an emulator at a decent speed, I may well finish some stuff off. cough cough hack splutter regurgitates lung Shut up. You have evidence that I've been coding lately. If only I had a real SAM over here... I believe that the Russian can supply them with the launchers for a very reasonable fee. Only last week I got a nuclear submarine for using along the canal. Shouldn't cost too much. After all, the entire Russian economy is worth what? UKP2.50 these days? -- James R Curry - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it! The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], James R Curry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes cough cough hack splutter regurgitates lung Shut up. You have evidence that I've been coding lately. No, I have evidence that *somebody* has been coding lately. For all I know, you could have kidnapped some poor sap and enslaved him as a DOS coder. I believe that the Russian can supply them with the launchers for a very reasonable fee. Only last week I got a nuclear submarine for using along the canal. Shouldn't cost too much. After all, the entire Russian economy is worth what? UKP2.50 these days? Slightly less. Graham Goring -- /\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=== ICQ: 5333545 ===/
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Dave Whitmore wrote: My irrational problem is that I find it incredibly frustrating to contemplate sending or receiving information through snail-mail (farting about with stamps and envelopes, etc. That's my problem though isn't it? You'd only have to do it once a bloody year! :) Lazy git :) Gavin
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you be able to send me up a copy - Issue 1 as well if you have any - I'll send cash down if you give me your address. No problemo. Address is: SAM Community, 34 Craigowen Road, Carrickfergus, BT38 7NE. I'll shove them in the post in the morning. At present I'm toying with the idea of kickstarting FRED again, but last time I mentioned it on the list there was no response - you think people would be interested in helping out these days? What kind of input/feedback/sales are you getting? I unsubscribed from this list a few weeks ago due to er something or other so I must have missed that. I'd personally love to see FRED back. One paper 'zine (being the newsletter, as nothing else is about now) and one disk 'zine (being FRED) would be just right I think. Feedback wise I've had a number of letters saying they are really pleased and relieved as they assumed the SAM scene was dead. I've also had a number of letters asking what happened to FRED, so there's obviously some demand. Sales wise, it's around 40 now - I think it could quite easily hit 50, which is quite a respectable number me thinks. When you say kickstarting FRED what did you mean? Are you considering it? I'll certainly lend a hand if I can. Gavin
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At present I'm toying with the idea of kickstarting FRED again, but last time I mentioned it on the list there was no response - you think people would be interested in helping out these days? What kind of input/feedback/sales are you getting? Hmm, if you were to raise FRED from the dead, then the moment I get a decent PC capable of running an emulator at a decent speed, I may well finish some stuff off. If only I had a real SAM over here... -- James R Curry - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it! The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk
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My irrational problem is that I find it incredibly frustrating to contemplate sending or receiving information through snail-mail (farting about with stamps and envelopes, etc. It seems a bit luddite), when the people who I'm communicating with are on the net. For people whose only means of written communication is via traditional post, fine, no worries. you'll be giving them a good service. I'm obviously a fool for thinking this way because so many others around here think it's such a good idea. Dave Well I basically agree. Paper based newsletters no thanks. I still like the idea of a disk mag with animation and sound etc but it hardly seems worth it just for printout.
RE: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2
Please send me a newsletter..I am very interested, and will send you £2 for the next 6 issues.If you give me your name address Name/Address : Matt Shaw 43 Yule Road Wyken Coventry West Midlands CV2 3DB Cheers [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01675 444800 http://www.isi.uk.com -Original Message- From: Gavin Smith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 8:15 AM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 Issue 2 of the Newsletter is now available. If you want a copy of the 4 page A4 newsletter for SAM Coupé owners, send me an email with your address and I'll send you a free copy. Alternatively, send me 2 quid and you'll get the next 6 issues (a good time to do it, as this price won't last much longer). This issue includes a show report from the latest SAM and Speccy show. Gavin
Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], James R Curry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Hmm, if you were to raise FRED from the dead, then the moment I get a decent PC capable of running an emulator at a decent speed, I may well finish some stuff off. cough cough hack splutter regurgitates lung If only I had a real SAM over here... I believe that the Russian can supply them with the launchers for a very reasonable fee. Only last week I got a nuclear submarine for using along the canal. Graham Goring -- /\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=== ICQ: 5333545 ===/
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Gav, Congratulations on being the only person I've seen do something public in the last 12 months! Would you be able to send me up a copy - Issue 1 as well if you have any - I'll send cash down if you give me your address. I'm at: 197B Princes St Dundee DD4 6DQ At present I'm toying with the idea of kickstarting FRED again, but last time I mentioned it on the list there was no response - you think people would be interested in helping out these days? What kind of input/feedback/sales are you getting? C. Issue 2 of the Newsletter is now available. If you want a copy of the 4 page A4 newsletter for SAM Coupé owners, send me an email with your address and I'll send you a free copy. Alternatively, send me 2 quid and you'll get the next 6 issues (a good time to do it, as this price won't last much longer). This issue includes a show report from the latest SAM and Speccy show. Gavin
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Dave Whitmore wrote: What makes it exclusive? The simple fact that it excludes anyone who doesn't subscribe. Eh?! But surely that makes this list equally as exclusive, in that you have to subscribe. I'm not trying to be smart, I just don't follow you here - you don't get it unless you ask - is that what you are saying?! Granted there are people who don't have net access, but why not do an email version for people online. You've already seen an example of the difficulty faced by potential overseas subscribers. I'm (still) working on a website for the newsletter, not sure what way it will turn out. Having a paper Newsletter is better in my opinion - 1) you can read it in the bog (and wipe your arse with it after if you so wish), 2) it allows me to keep a track of how many people are actually reading it and are still interested in the SAM. Let's just put it this way then: you are here, and I am here, reading each other. So what could you possibly tell me on a piece of paper that I can't read onscreen? That's all I'm saying... carry on and have fun! :-) Yes, but there are a lot more people who are actually interested in the SAM who, for some strange reason, aren't on the net. Gavin
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Oops.. That was supposed to be direct to Gavin -Original Message- From: Justin Skists [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip]
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Gavin, I'll give you my current address. I'm moving in a couple of weeks so I'll send the 2 quid afterwards when I know for sure what my new address will be... Justin Skists 105 Cleavers Avenue Conniburrow Milton Keynes MK14 7DQ Justin. -Original Message- From: Gavin Smith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 7:38 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2 Issue 2 of the Newsletter is now available. If you want a copy of the 4 page A4 newsletter for SAM Coupé owners, send me an email with your address and I'll send you a free copy. Alternatively, send me 2 quid and you'll get the next 6 issues (a good time to do it, as this price won't last much longer). This issue includes a show report from the latest SAM and Speccy show. Gavin
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On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:10:20 +0100 Mon, 18 Oct 99 18:37:03 BST, Gavin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes it exclusive? The simple fact that it excludes anyone who doesn't subscribe. Eh?! But surely that makes this list equally as exclusive, in that you have to subscribe. I'm not trying to be smart, I just don't follow you here - you don't get it unless you ask - is that what you are saying?! My irrational problem is that I find it incredibly frustrating to contemplate sending or receiving information through snail-mail (farting about with stamps and envelopes, etc. It seems a bit luddite), when the people who I'm communicating with are on the net. For people whose only means of written communication is via traditional post, fine, no worries. you'll be giving them a good service. I'm obviously a fool for thinking this way because so many others around here think it's such a good idea. Dave
Re: SAM Community Newsletter Issue 2
Issue 2 of the Newsletter is now available. If you want a copy of the 4 page A4 newsletter for SAM Coupé owners, send me an email with your address and I'll send you a free copy. Alternatively, send me 2 quid and you'll get the next 6 issues (a good time to do it, as this price won't last much longer). This issue includes a show report from the latest SAM and Speccy show. Gavin How much for international shipping...? -- James R Curry - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it! The OFFICIAL James R Curry Webpage is at http://www.lhutz.demon.co.uk
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James R Curry wrote: Issue 2 of the Newsletter is now available. If you want a copy of the 4 page A4 newsletter for SAM Coupé owners, send me an email with your address and I'll send you a free copy. Alternatively, send me 2 quid and you'll get the next 6 issues (a good time to do it, as this price won't last much longer). This issue includes a show report from the latest SAM and Speccy show. Gavin How much for international shipping...? -- James R Curry - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't worry about the postage for the free issue, but it's a fiver for international peeps, just to keep things simple. Er, but aren't you in the UK? Gavin
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Don't worry about the postage for the free issue, but it's a fiver for international peeps, just to keep things simple. Er, but aren't you in the UK? Gavin Nope, Eastern Kentucky. -- James R Curry - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!
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Gavin, I'm having difficulty trying to understand the motivation behind a printed newsletter. There obviously isn't any money to be made (from what you are charging), and the only thing I can figure is that you're aiming to start an exclusive club of sorts. This isn't a swipe, btw, I just don't understand why people should bother with stamps and read stuff on paper these days. Dave
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Dave Whitmore wrote: Gavin, I'm having difficulty trying to understand the motivation behind a printed newsletter. There obviously isn't any money to be made (from what you are charging), and the only thing I can figure is that you're aiming to start an exclusive club of sorts. This isn't a swipe, btw, I just don't understand why people should bother with stamps and read stuff on paper these days. Dave What makes it exclusive? Anyone can get it for next to nothing so I'm not sure how it's exclusive. Why do it? Originally it was to give news coverage to people like Persona and Quazar who I felt Format wasn't covering adequately (or at all in Persona's case) but of course we've only really got Quazar left. I dunno, I still enjoy farting about with the SAM, and I've found 30 like minded people so it isn't much hassle to stick a little newsletter together every couple of months. Nothing earth shattering in it, but there's always a few things available for the SAM every couple of months. This isn't a swipe either, btw, but there are a few people on this list who seem to just hang about to criticise other people and say why do this?, why do that? Well why not? Of course it's a stupidly obscure computer, with stupidly little support, but I still enjoy it. I get a lot of letters from people happy with what I'm doing. *shrug* It's no big deal :) Anyway, I hate reading stuff from a computer screen, I'd much prefer to read it from paper. Gavin SAM Community - Raising two fingers to Mr. Logic
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big deal :) Anyway, I hate reading stuff from a computer screen, I'd much prefer to read it from paper. Snap - same here. There's something about the 80's fanzine days that the internet fails to make up for
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On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:37:25 +0100 Sun, 17 Oct 99 14:44:48 BST, Gavin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What makes it exclusive? The simple fact that it excludes anyone who doesn't subscribe. Anyone can get it for next to nothing so I'm not sure how it's exclusive. That's true, but it isn't really my point. Why do it? Originally it was to give news coverage to people like Persona and Quazar who I felt Format wasn't covering adequately (or at all in Persona's case) but of course we've only really got Quazar left. I dunno, I still enjoy farting about with the SAM, and I've found 30 like minded people so it isn't much hassle to stick a little newsletter together every couple of months. Nothing earth shattering in it, but there's always a few things available for the SAM every couple of months. Granted there are people who don't have net access, but why not do an email version for people online. You've already seen an example of the difficulty faced by potential overseas subscribers. I still enjoy 'farting about' with things concerning SAM to a certain extent, and I'd even go as far as to say I'd like to see a newsletter done along the lines of the speccy one by Andy Davies (an occasional disczine in DSK format?). People like Persona and Quazar could put all the advertising they wanted into something like that. That would probably be a bit extreme though, so an occasional email attachment to interested parties would probably suffice. This isn't a swipe either, btw, but there are a few people on this list who seem to just hang about to criticise other people and say why do this?, why do that? Well why not? Of course it's a stupidly obscure This was a genuine concern rather than a criticism. I can see how you'd think otherwise though, and I'm sorry if you took it that way. computer, with stupidly little support, but I still enjoy it. I get a lot of letters from people happy with what I'm doing. *shrug* It's no big deal :) Anyway, I hate reading stuff from a computer screen, I'd much prefer to read it from paper. Let's just put it this way then: you are here, and I am here, reading each other. So what could you possibly tell me on a piece of paper that I can't read onscreen? That's all I'm saying... carry on and have fun! :-) Dave
