Re: [Samba] 3.5 in Debian Squeeze?

2010-03-24 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Robert LeBlanc (rob...@leblancnet.us):
 What is the milestone that will get 3.5 into Debian Squeeze?


We're still in the process of deciding whether we'll go for 3.4.* or
3.5 for squeeze.

There are arguments for both:

- 3.4.* releases are now rock solid and the risk of important issues
to be discovered that would make these versions unsuitable for
production servers is not very high while 3.5.* are fairly young as of
now.

- Strong support by the Samba Team for 3.4.* releases will be
decreasing rapidly in the upcoming months and it might become hard to
make this release alive for the planned two years of lifetime (at
minimum) that squeeze will have after it's released. There are also
several improvements bringed by 3.5 which our users would benefit from.


My own stance is to go for 3.5 and, as one of the maintainers, I'll
push for it. However, I want to ask to the Debian release team about
their feeling for pushing point releases (3.5.2, 3.5.3, etc.) in
squeeze during the time squeeze is frozenIt would help a lot if
they agree that we can do this even late in the release process but
you can imagine that they can't say yes to all such
requests...otherwise the freeze is no longer a freeze.

A key point is having my co-maintainer (Steve Langasek) advice about
this. Other co-maintainers have agreed for having 3.5 in squeeze
(particularly Matthieu Parent, who maintains ctdb)


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Re: [Samba] 3.5 in Debian Squeeze?

2010-03-24 Thread Robert LeBlanc
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:21 AM, Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.orgwrote:

 Quoting Robert LeBlanc (rob...@leblancnet.us):
  What is the milestone that will get 3.5 into Debian Squeeze?


 We're still in the process of deciding whether we'll go for 3.4.* or
 3.5 for squeeze.

 There are arguments for both:

 - 3.4.* releases are now rock solid and the risk of important issues
 to be discovered that would make these versions unsuitable for
 production servers is not very high while 3.5.* are fairly young as of
 now.

 - Strong support by the Samba Team for 3.4.* releases will be
 decreasing rapidly in the upcoming months and it might become hard to
 make this release alive for the planned two years of lifetime (at
 minimum) that squeeze will have after it's released. There are also
 several improvements bringed by 3.5 which our users would benefit from.


 My own stance is to go for 3.5 and, as one of the maintainers, I'll
 push for it. However, I want to ask to the Debian release team about
 their feeling for pushing point releases (3.5.2, 3.5.3, etc.) in
 squeeze during the time squeeze is frozenIt would help a lot if
 they agree that we can do this even late in the release process but
 you can imagine that they can't say yes to all such
 requests...otherwise the freeze is no longer a freeze.

 A key point is having my co-maintainer (Steve Langasek) advice about
 this. Other co-maintainers have agreed for having 3.5 in squeeze
 (particularly Matthieu Parent, who maintains ctdb)


Thank you for taking the time, this is very helpful. I fully understand both
sides of the argument as I take both positions on a regular basis. I do like
3.4 as it has worked quite well for us, as we move to Windows 7, we have
uncovered problems which we hope 3.5 will resolve. Winbind has also given us
problems in 3.4, and with the large rework in 3.5 we hope it's solved a lot
of those pain points. I haven't heard when the freeze will be for Squeeze,
but if it would be helpful, I can try to carve out some time to pull 3.5
from experimental on a test box and try it in our environment for feedback.

Thanks,

Robert LeBlanc
Life Sciences  Undergraduate Education Computer Support
Brigham Young University
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Re: [Samba] 3.5 in Debian Squeeze?

2010-03-24 Thread grant little
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Robert LeBlanc rob...@leblancnet.uswrote:

 On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:21 AM, Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org
 wrote:

  Quoting Robert LeBlanc (rob...@leblancnet.us):
   What is the milestone that will get 3.5 into Debian Squeeze?
 
 
  We're still in the process of deciding whether we'll go for 3.4.* or
  3.5 for squeeze.
 
  There are arguments for both:
 
  - 3.4.* releases are now rock solid and the risk of important issues
  to be discovered that would make these versions unsuitable for
  production servers is not very high while 3.5.* are fairly young as of
  now.
 
  - Strong support by the Samba Team for 3.4.* releases will be
  decreasing rapidly in the upcoming months and it might become hard to
  make this release alive for the planned two years of lifetime (at
  minimum) that squeeze will have after it's released. There are also
  several improvements bringed by 3.5 which our users would benefit from.
 
 
  My own stance is to go for 3.5 and, as one of the maintainers, I'll
  push for it. However, I want to ask to the Debian release team about
  their feeling for pushing point releases (3.5.2, 3.5.3, etc.) in
  squeeze during the time squeeze is frozenIt would help a lot if
  they agree that we can do this even late in the release process but
  you can imagine that they can't say yes to all such
  requests...otherwise the freeze is no longer a freeze.
 
  A key point is having my co-maintainer (Steve Langasek) advice about
  this. Other co-maintainers have agreed for having 3.5 in squeeze
  (particularly Matthieu Parent, who maintains ctdb)
 
 
 Thank you for taking the time, this is very helpful. I fully understand
 both
 sides of the argument as I take both positions on a regular basis. I do
 like
 3.4 as it has worked quite well for us, as we move to Windows 7, we have
 uncovered problems which we hope 3.5 will resolve. Winbind has also given
 us
 problems in 3.4, and with the large rework in 3.5 we hope it's solved a lot
 of those pain points. I haven't heard when the freeze will be for Squeeze,
 but if it would be helpful, I can try to carve out some time to pull 3.5
 from experimental on a test box and try it in our environment for feedback.

 Thanks,

 Robert LeBlanc
 Life Sciences  Undergraduate Education Computer Support
 Brigham Young University
 --

 On Ubuntu 9.10 which currently uses 3.4.0 there are, for me,  many problems
solved by moving to 3.5 not the least of which are windows 7, the ability to
login from OS X when using AD/LDAP/Kerberos and better support for ACLs  so
I'm hoping that Debian will move quickly to 3.5 and that it will feed
downstream to Ubuntu 9.10  within my lifetime. It seems that Lucid is still
at 3.4.7 tantalizingly close to 3.5   For ubuntu  9.10 samba 3.4.0 is not up
to much since it cannot do the mac OS X login described or windows 7.
My vote is for 3.5 on both debian squeeze and ubuntu lucid. Faint hope...

Grant.
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[Samba] 3.5 in Debian Squeeze?

2010-03-23 Thread Robert LeBlanc
What is the milestone that will get 3.5 into Debian Squeeze?

Robert LeBlanc
Life Sciences  Undergraduate Education Computer Support
Brigham Young University
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