Re: [Samba] Problem with offline drive
On Friday 30 January 2009 19:22:49 Adam Williams wrote: Hello ! Here is a late answer to your advices, which are very interesting. Walter Mautner wrote: Bad. Storing mail databases on network drives (in particular when they become bigger) or storing them on a roaming profile path is not supported for Microsofts e-mail programs. Even though Thunderbird/Mozilla don't explicitely forbid it, it is also bad for Thunderbird. I don't see where the problem is. I've read many things around the web concerning samba for instance, and many a person round the world advocate to pull out of the profile as many things as possible. I'm thinking of the My Documents folder for instance. So, since one can easily change the path where both firefox and thunderbird store their datas (Simply edit the Profile.ini), I thought it was a good idea to pull them both on a network drive, so as to avoid having to use the sync tool. And for desktop machines, it works great. The fact is that on the 100 machines we have on our network, we only have 15 laptops. And they come to the end of the installation process. You would be far better with plain local storage and synchronization or imap/offline imap. As a workaround, change the mail profile to a local path and use Microsoft synctoy to sync with the path in M: when online. For Gods sake, disable offline file function in XP. What is the difference between those two methods ? In both case you use the Microsoft synctoy, let it be with the profile or with a network drive you sync by hand. Yes I agree here. You can hack the registry to save the Local Settings folder with the roaming profile, or change the location of outlook.pst. But when your users aren't locally on your network, they won't have a connection to M:, hence outlook breaks. Here we use Seamonkey and IMAP, so that all mail stays on the server. You should really be using imap, it helps keeps the profile smaller, and with the mail being stored on the server, its better for backups and archiving. The fact is that we can't use imap here. Well, we could if whe would like, but who on earth would like to work with a 25Mb imap box ? No one. We don't have much space on the mail server, and whe use many attachements with mails, so that in half a day the imap storage place would be full. I also agree to disable offline files. If it syncs when logging off, its no better then using a roaming profile, and if you have it sync at a certain time of day, if the user makes any changes after that time, they are log when they unplug themselves. Personally, I use roaming profiles, and tell my users if they are taking a notebook out of town, copy the files they think they will need to their desktop because i redirect my documents to a folder on their home drive to make the roaming profiles save and load quicker. As for the last solution you propose here, that's the way some of the users are working with, but I thought offline files would make their life easier. So, before I forget, thanks, many thanks for your help. It's always great to have peoples saying what they think about such solutions, because one's need are differents thant another's. It is always the moment to increase the knowledge of some peculiar aspect of the problem. And let me tell you that I still don't understand what you find wrong with offline files. Here, users don't play with their laptop. I mean if they are here and the laptop is online, it is on the network. If they take the laptop with them, then it isn't. There is no way for them to loose data, since the sleeping function is disabled, as well as the suspend to disk. So, when they leave the place, they shutdown their laptop. Well, I'll look forward to get much documentation about all this, and try as many a thing as I can. Thanks again for your help. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Problem with offline drive
On 2/3/2009, BOURIAUD (david.bouri...@ac-rouen.fr) wrote: The fact is that we can't use imap here. Well, we could if whe would like, but who on earth would like to work with a 25Mb imap box ? No one. ? Many of our users have 1+GB imap maildirs... works great... We don't have much space on the mail server, and whe use many attachements with mails, so that in half a day the imap storage place would be full. Ahh... two words: upgrade drives. Storage is cheap these days. -- Best regards, Charles -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Problem with offline drive
Am Tuesday 03 February 2009 14:43:43 schrieb BOURIAUD: On Friday 30 January 2009 19:22:49 Adam Williams wrote: Hello ! Here is a late answer to your advices, which are very interesting. Walter Mautner wrote: Bad. Storing mail databases on network drives (in particular when they become bigger) or storing them on a roaming profile path is not supported for Microsofts e-mail programs. Even though Thunderbird/Mozilla don't explicitely forbid it, it is also bad for Thunderbird. I don't see where the problem is. I've read many things around the web concerning samba for instance, and many a person round the world advocate to pull out of the profile as many things as possible. I'm thinking of the Having database or database alike files on offline files folder is bad. They won't sync (by intent or by file suffix, by Microsoft). They just produce errors and messageboxes which hinder shutting down/logging out. My Documents folder for instance. So, since one can easily change the path where both firefox and thunderbird store their datas (Simply edit the Profile.ini), I thought it was a good idea to pull them both on a network drive, so as to avoid having to use the sync tool. Folder redirection is good for desktops, with constant network connection. We use that whenever possible, but the user demand on laptops urges us to find another solution. Offline files are not good for our multi-location setup, when the IP address of the home server changes for roaming laptop users. Again by decision, offline files don't sync anymore when the IP address of the server serving the homedrive changes, even if it's the same content, the same domain. And for desktop machines, it works great. The fact is that on the 100 machines we have on our network, we only have 15 laptops. And they come to the end of the installation process. Desktops tend to go offline when only a slight network glitch occurs. Once there are database-like files in users paths, they will ever stay offline partially, just pestering users with errormessages on logoff. In fact, we have to turn off offline files before the first user accidently can turn them on. Laptop users want to have their data available offline, therefore offline files would be fine - but we have database (*.md?) files as well, and roaming users. Still, there would be no control about syncing while a user just has a gprs connection. With MS synctoy it is the responsibility of a user, to sync when on a fast network, and doing backup this way (our branch servers have backup devices). Yes I agree here. You can hack the registry to save the Local Settings folder with the roaming profile, or change the location of outlook.pst. But when your users aren't locally on your network, they won't have a connection to M:, hence outlook breaks. Here we use Seamonkey and IMAP, so that all mail stays on the server. You should really be using imap, it helps keeps the profile smaller, and with the mail being stored on the server, its better for backups and archiving. The fact is that we can't use imap here. Well, we could if whe would like, but who on earth would like to work with a 25Mb imap box ? No one. We don't Uhm. Why just so little? Our users partially have gigabyte mail databases. have much space on the mail server, and whe use many attachements with mails, so that in half a day the imap storage place would be full. So you tell, your users have their mails only locally ... well, what if a drive fails or a pc is infected, or a laptop is lost? For business use, some people insist on having their important (and almost everything is claimed important) stored for legal purposes, for some years. I also agree to disable offline files. If it syncs when logging off, its no better then using a roaming profile, and if you have it sync at a certain time of day, if the user makes any changes after that time, they are log when they unplug themselves. Personally, I use roaming profiles, and tell my users if they are taking a notebook out of town, copy the files they think they will need to their desktop because i redirect my documents to a folder on their home drive to make the roaming profiles save and load quicker. As for the last solution you propose here, that's the way some of the users are working with, but I thought offline files would make their life easier. We have another problem with offline files: even on the domain with fast user switching disabled, they tend to sync the previous user when the next one logs on. Irritating and frustrating. I hope you don't regret using offline files one bad-hair day -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Problem with offline drive
On Tuesday 03 February 2009 16:40:20 Charles Marcus wrote: On 2/3/2009, BOURIAUD (david.bouri...@ac-rouen.fr) wrote: The fact is that we can't use imap here. Well, we could if whe would like, but who on earth would like to work with a 25Mb imap box ? No one. ? Many of our users have 1+GB imap maildirs... works great... The fact is that I don't admin our mail server, and the quotas are set up so that each user have 25Mb at most. And I can't change that. We don't have much space on the mail server, and whe use many attachements with mails, so that in half a day the imap storage place would be full. Ahh... two words: upgrade drives. Storage is cheap these days. If only I could. That's why I'm searching for a solution that would make traveling users happy anyway ! Regards. -- Best regards, Charles -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
[Samba] Problem with offline drive
Hi ! I hope that someone will be abble to help me with the problem I get with my samba machines, though it is not really a samba problem. Here is the config I use : I'm running a samba controler on a rhel 5 machine (rpm -qa says samba-3.0.33-3.7.el5) which acts as a domain controler. My machines, all windows XP use to be connected to this controler. I have no problem with them. The problem occurs with laptops. Indeed, we have some drives mapped to the domain controler. The one that causes problem is the M: drive, on which is stored the profile of thunderbird. When the laptop is connected to the network, no problems. Thunderbird works just fine. All mails are here. When the laptop is out of the office, connected or not to another network doesn't change anything, thunderbird shows a weird interface, there are missing mails, missing folders on the left view and so on. When I connected the M: drive to \\server\mail, I right-clicked on the M: drive in the My computer view and selected the option to have this drive offline. When I'm disconnected of the network, I can walk in this drive and see all the files that belongs to thunderbird. I even can view the content of individual files with notepad for example. Is there anyone here either to help me or to direct me to another place where I could find help for this peculiar topic ? I've of course searched the web, read many things about offline drives, but found nothing helpfull. Thanks in advance for any help provided. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Problem with offline drive
That's a windows caching function http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307853 On Jan 29, 2009 8:02am, BOURIAUD david.bouri...@ac-rouen.fr wrote: Hi ! I hope that someone will be abble to help me with the problem I get with my samba machines, though it is not really a samba problem. Here is the config I use : I'm running a samba controler on a rhel 5 machine (rpm -qa says samba-3.0.33-3.7.el5) which acts as a domain controler. My machines, all windows XP use to be connected to this controler. I have no problem with them. The problem occurs with laptops. Indeed, we have some drives mapped to the domain controler. The one that causes problem is the M: drive, on which is stored the profile of thunderbird. When the laptop is connected to the network, no problems. Thunderbird works just fine. All mails are here. When the laptop is out of the office, connected or not to another network doesn't change anything, thunderbird shows a weird interface, there are missing mails, missing folders on the left view and so on. When I connected the M: drive to \\server\mail, I right-clicked on the M: drive in the My computer view and selected the option to have this drive offline. When I'm disconnected of the network, I can walk in this drive and see all the files that belongs to thunderbird. I even can view the content of individual files with notepad for example. Is there anyone here either to help me or to direct me to another place where I could find help for this peculiar topic ? I've of course searched the web, read many things about offline drives, but found nothing helpfull. Thanks in advance for any help provided. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Problem with offline drive
Am Thursday 29 January 2009 17:02:09 schrieb BOURIAUD: Hi ! I hope that someone will be abble to help me with the problem I get with my samba machines, though it is not really a samba problem. Here is the config I use : I'm running a samba controler on a rhel 5 machine (rpm -qa says samba-3.0.33-3.7.el5) which acts as a domain controler. My machines, all windows XP use to be connected to this controler. I have no problem with them. The problem occurs with laptops. Indeed, we have some drives mapped to the domain controler. The one that causes problem is the M: drive, on which is stored the profile of Bad. Storing mail databases on network drives (in particular when they become bigger) or storing them on a roaming profile path is not supported for Microsofts e-mail programs. Even though Thunderbird/Mozilla don't explicitely forbid it, it is also bad for Thunderbird. You would be far better with plain local storage and synchronization or imap/offline imap. As a workaround, change the mail profile to a local path and use Microsoft synctoy to sync with the path in M: when online. For Gods sake, disable offline file function in XP. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] Problem with offline drive
Walter Mautner wrote: Bad. Storing mail databases on network drives (in particular when they become bigger) or storing them on a roaming profile path is not supported for Microsofts e-mail programs. Even though Thunderbird/Mozilla don't explicitely forbid it, it is also bad for Thunderbird. You would be far better with plain local storage and synchronization or imap/offline imap. As a workaround, change the mail profile to a local path and use Microsoft synctoy to sync with the path in M: when online. For Gods sake, disable offline file function in XP. Yes I agree here. You can hack the registry to save the Local Settings folder with the roaming profile, or change the location of outlook.pst. But when your users aren't locally on your network, they won't have a connection to M:, hence outlook breaks. Here we use Seamonkey and IMAP, so that all mail stays on the server. You should really be using imap, it helps keeps the profile smaller, and with the mail being stored on the server, its better for backups and archiving. I also agree to disable offline files. If it syncs when logging off, its no better then using a roaming profile, and if you have it sync at a certain time of day, if the user makes any changes after that time, they are log when they unplug themselves. Personally, I use roaming profiles, and tell my users if they are taking a notebook out of town, copy the files they think they will need to their desktop because i redirect my documents to a folder on their home drive to make the roaming profiles save and load quicker. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
