RE: [Samba] Storing passwords in LDAP, but not a PDC

2006-03-20 Thread Robert Mortimer
 Hello,

 Is it possible to store samba passwords in ldap without configuring
 samba as a PDC?  All the documents/references I've come across are
 related to using LDAP as a samba PDC backend, not as just a db file
 replacement.

 Thanks,

LDAP is a heavyweight store for massive amounts of passwords and extended
data needed to for 100s or 1000s of PCs. In a workgroup there is no central
password store. In a workgroup each windows (LINUX/Samba) machine has local
users and would never consult a central authentication database so the LDAP
would only hold accounts for the local Linux machine's users.

This is a Sledgehammer + nut situation

I suggest you look at the normal samba database

Regards Rob


 David Filion

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RE: [Samba] Storing passwords in LDAP, but not a PDC

2006-03-20 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 09:22 +, Robert Mortimer wrote:
  Hello,
 
  Is it possible to store samba passwords in ldap without configuring
  samba as a PDC?  All the documents/references I've come across are
  related to using LDAP as a samba PDC backend, not as just a db file
  replacement.
 
  Thanks,
 
 LDAP is a heavyweight store for massive amounts of passwords and extended
 data needed to for 100s or 1000s of PCs. In a workgroup there is no central
 password store. In a workgroup each windows (LINUX/Samba) machine has local
 users and would never consult a central authentication database so the LDAP
 would only hold accounts for the local Linux machine's users.
 
 This is a Sledgehammer + nut situation
 
 I suggest you look at the normal samba database

I'm not entirely certain that I agree with the characterizations that
you have used.

LDAP is a lightweight database system that is optimized for frequent
reads and infrequent writes. There are implementations of LDAP that can
be utilized for account management in UNIX/Linux (aka posix) and in
Windows (Samba - Microsoft Active Directory) and these implementations
often permit essentially complete integration into the underlying
user/group account management.

There are implementations that permit this structure to be shared among
other servers so that you can attain consistent user/group account
management across some/all host systems in a networked environment which
makes it attractive for thoughtful application.

It's not a sledgehammer + nut situation...it might be more trouble than
it's worth for some administrators to learn but I use it even on
networks with a small amount of users and computers because I have
gotten over the hurdle of learning the implementation and have enough
tools to manage things like user accounts and actually find it valuable,
even in small scale deployments.

Craig

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Re: [Samba] Storing passwords in LDAP, but not a PDC

2006-03-20 Thread Markus Korth
HiHo!

Craig White wrote:
 On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 09:22 +, Robert Mortimer wrote:
 
Hello,

Is it possible to store samba passwords in ldap without configuring
samba as a PDC?  All the documents/references I've come across are
related to using LDAP as a samba PDC backend, not as just a db file
replacement.

Thanks,

LDAP is a heavyweight store for massive amounts of passwords and extended
data needed to for 100s or 1000s of PCs. In a workgroup there is no central
password store. In a workgroup each windows (LINUX/Samba) machine has local
users and would never consult a central authentication database so the LDAP
would only hold accounts for the local Linux machine's users.

This is a Sledgehammer + nut situation

I suggest you look at the normal samba database
 
 
 I'm not entirely certain that I agree with the characterizations that
 you have used.

[...]

I completely agree. I think Roberts answer might be appropriate under
certain conditions but is just to general.
LDAP isn't that difficult to use and if you already have a established
Unix based environment, including LDAP, adding a little bit
SambaSAMAccount magic is more a by-product than real work.
Maintaining samba password and user files on perhaps 10 or 15 Unix samba
servers is more work than getting samba and LDAP together...

Markus


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Re: [Samba] Storing passwords in LDAP, but not a PDC

2006-03-19 Thread Markus Korth
HiHo!


David Filion wrote:

 Is it possible to store samba passwords in ldap without configuring
 samba as a PDC?  All the documents/references I've come across are
 related to using LDAP as a samba PDC backend, not as just a db file
 replacement.

Nearly the same question has been asked one day ago, so here is the same
answer:-)

http://www.ofb.net/~jheiss/samba/ldap.shtml
http://www.coe.tamu.edu/cs/Manuals/Samba/Samba-LDAP-HOWTO.html

Have fun
  Markus

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[Samba] Storing passwords in LDAP, but not a PDC

2006-03-17 Thread David Filion

Hello,

Is it possible to store samba passwords in ldap without configuring 
samba as a PDC?  All the documents/references I've come across are 
related to using LDAP as a samba PDC backend, not as just a db file 
replacement.


Thanks,

David Filion

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Re: [Samba] Storing passwords in LDAP, but not a PDC

2006-03-17 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 15:43 -0500, David Filion wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Is it possible to store samba passwords in ldap without configuring 
 samba as a PDC?  All the documents/references I've come across are 
 related to using LDAP as a samba PDC backend, not as just a db file 
 replacement.
 

yes and you don't even need samba to create the passwords providing you
have other means to create the proper Windows password hashes.

Craig

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