[Samba] Ubuntu packaging vs Debian packaging (was: Given up on Fedora Ubuntu is 1000-folder simpler)

2010-01-15 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Michael Lueck (mlu...@lueckdatasystems.com):
 Peter Olcott wrote:
 I decided to try
 Ubuntu. After intallation it took only five minutes of editing the smb.conf
 file to make my share fully operational.
 
 :-)
 
 I had been hearing good things about Ubuntu, however I was firmly in the 
 Debian camp.
 
 When Etch came out, the Samba packages were so bad that I ended up trying 
 Ubuntu (7.04). It worked great!
 
 Now I am a Ubuntu fan, no going back to Debian.


May I very respectfully mention that you're spreading out what I
consider nonsense?

Samba packages in Ubuntu are directly derived from Debian
packages. So, telling that Debian packages are bad while Ubuntu
packages are good is justsilly. They're basically the same..:-)

The team that maintains samba packages in Debian follows bugs that are
reported in Ubuntu. The Ubuntu server folks follow Debian BTS.

And both are tight together by Steve Langasek, longstanding maintainer
of samba packages in Debian along with meand Ubuntu release
manager. So, I think you can believe us when we say that packages are
identical..

And, well, the initial work is done and Debian. This is something I'm
personnally proud of and you'll understand that the above remark is
particularly hurting. This is because of the work done by a Debian
developer that you will have Samba 3.4.4 in a few days if you follow
the development of Ubuntu whatever funky name they give to 10.04.

What is different are versions in stable releases. Both Ubuntu and
Debian have a quite similar policy wrt updating upstream software
versions in stable releases (update for security-related issues and
important issues by backporting upstream changes). However, our
schedules are different. So, at one given moment, you may find
different upstream version in the respective stable versions of both
distributions (for instance, Ubuntu Jaunty (IIRC) has Samba 3.3.*
while Debian will never have 3.3 (Lenny has 3.2.5+important fixes and
Squeeze will have 3.4 or 3.5 depending on the release schedule).

In general, Ubuntu is likely to have more recent versions than Debian
because of its faster release schedule.

Again, and more generally, please don't oppose Ubuntu and Debian. We
work fairly well together in general, despite the noise made from time
to time when there are different points of view. But we both need the
other to live and develop. 

And, when packages are bad, please, pretty please with sugar on
top.take care to report. This is how we can contribute and help
upstream (namely the Samba Team) to improve their software (as a
matter of example, you may want to check bugs reported by
pkg-samba-m...@lists.alioth.debian.org in Samba's Bugzillaor
more precisely for recent examples, bugs #7020 and #7021.


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Re: [Samba] Ubuntu packaging vs Debian packaging (was: Given up on Fedora Ubuntu is 1000-folder simpler)

2010-01-15 Thread Ed Murray

The similarities are much bigger than their differences. Yes there are pros  
cons to both Debian  Ubuntu. For example do you prefer a 2 year release cycle 
or a 6 month release cycle. I use both distributions in different 
circumstances. It is thanks to everyone who has put in an effort to Debian over 
the past 16 odd years that Ubuntu even exists...

P.S. Props to all the Samba, Debian, Ubuntu  all the other open source 
developers here...

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