Re: [Samba] how legal is samba
Hello Ed, My understanding of the licensing issue is that *any* client that uses a windows server, whether directly, or indirectly via Samba requires a Client Access license. Tom. Tom Crummey, Systems and Network Manager, EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Electronic and Electrical Engineering, University College London, TEL: +44 (0)20 7679 3898 Torrington Place,FAX: +44 (0)20 7388 9325 London, UK, WC1E 7JE. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] how legal is samba
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Message: 29 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:32:07 + (GMT) From: Tom Crummey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Samba] how legal is samba To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Ed, My understanding of the licensing issue is that *any* client that uses a windows server, whether directly, or indirectly via Samba requires a Client Access license. AFAIK this was the case with NT4. And AFAIK they changed it in win2k so that you had no CAL licensing incentive to install samba servers into a win2k domain, so now you need a CAL for each client that *authenticates* to a Windows 2000 server. Thus, if you run a samba domain, your clients all authenticate to a samba domain controller, and no CALs are needed for Windows 2000 member servers (as respecting file/print service - you still need CALs for other services such as MSSQL etc). Of course, you should read the EULAs etc yourself and/or ask your legal representative for their opinion. IMHO, better to avoid agreeing to the EULAs in the first place, then they have no legal basis to audit your premises. Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/vkFxrJK6UGDSBKcRAguTAJ9VYq2iZu2bgeh2G82SOl2HmkPC2ACfTjG4 irUWsWExSxrNJyTcHYTG07Y= =zrZm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
[Samba] how legal is samba
With all this DMCA crud, is samba a target for a IP case from MS Jason Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] how legal is samba
On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 11:18:13AM -0800, Jason Adams wrote: With all this DMCA crud, is samba a target for a IP case from MS Short answer. No. Jeremy. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] how legal is samba
On the other hand, it's only a matter of time before Samba becomes a legal target for SCO. (Tongue firmly in cheek, but sadly truthful) On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 07:35:18PM +, Jeremy Allison wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 11:18:13AM -0800, Jason Adams wrote: With all this DMCA crud, is samba a target for a IP case from MS Short answer. No. Jeremy. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] how legal is samba
Perhaps. Perhaps not. SCO has little ground against Samba under the DMCA, since none of the technology in Samba duplicates anything in SCO's UNIX offerings (thus there is no reverse engineering of SCOware being done). Not to mention that SCO benefits from Samba directly, so even if they became completely schizophrenic in their legal crusades they'd be pretty stupid to shut down the development of a program that lets their servers replace Windows servers. The only company that might use the DMCA in desperation is Microsoft, as some of their protocols are implemented in Samba. But the phrase their protocols is putting it graciously, and even they might not have a legal leg to stand on. -Ed Rashkae wrote: On the other hand, it's only a matter of time before Samba becomes a legal target for SCO. (Tongue firmly in cheek, but sadly truthful) On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 07:35:18PM +, Jeremy Allison wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 11:18:13AM -0800, Jason Adams wrote: With all this DMCA crud, is samba a target for a IP case from MS Short answer. No. Jeremy. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba Any information, including protected health information (PHI), transmitted in this email is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and or exempt from disclosure under applicable Federal or State law. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon, protected health information (PHI) by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this email in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] how legal is samba
I understand that the smb protocol is not in any violation, what i was talking about was does setting up a samba box to authenticate windows users conflict with any laws, seeing as how you are now negating the requirement for a licensed windows server. I would love to get rid of our Win2k pdc but my manager is a little sketchy since we have been in the eyes of the BSA for some time now (another story). Jason Philip Edelbrock wrote: SMB is a spec from IBM, if I remember right. M$ implements it (or a flavor of it anyway), but they don't 'own' it or have some proprietary closed hold on the standard. I.e., Samba is not reverse-engineered, if that's what you are thinking. It also can't be(?) used to circumvent copyright, which is what the DMCA is all about, right? Be careful about posting stuff like this to the list. It's flame bait for sure. ;') Take care. Phil Jason Adams wrote: With all this DMCA crud, is samba a target for a IP case from MS Jason Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] how legal is samba
Perhaps you should go out of win in total, like very other big cities and companies did and will do it in the future Greetz - Original Message - From: Jason Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Philip Edelbrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [Samba] how legal is samba I understand that the smb protocol is not in any violation, what i was talking about was does setting up a samba box to authenticate windows users conflict with any laws, seeing as how you are now negating the requirement for a licensed windows server. I would love to get rid of our Win2k pdc but my manager is a little sketchy since we have been in the eyes of the BSA for some time now (another story). Jason Philip Edelbrock wrote: SMB is a spec from IBM, if I remember right. M$ implements it (or a flavor of it anyway), but they don't 'own' it or have some proprietary closed hold on the standard. I.e., Samba is not reverse-engineered, if that's what you are thinking. It also can't be(?) used to circumvent copyright, which is what the DMCA is all about, right? Be careful about posting stuff like this to the list. It's flame bait for sure. ;') Take care. Phil Jason Adams wrote: With all this DMCA crud, is samba a target for a IP case from MS Jason Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] how legal is samba
Le jeu 20/11/2003 à 22:09, Ed Holden a écrit : The only company that might use the DMCA in desperation is Microsoft, as some of their protocols are implemented in Samba. But the phrase their protocols is putting it graciously, and even they might not have a legal leg to stand on. They would first have to put it on paper, which might give them a hard time ;-) D.Morel -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] how legal is samba
Jason, People use this Samba PDC setup all the time. As far as I know when you have a Windows PDC you need licenses for the server and for each of the clients. This is in addition to the client licenses you own for each machine. So if you buy a machine with Windows 2000 Professional you have a valid license for it. If you want to connect it to your Windows PDC you need a client license on the server as well. So in your case you'd just have client licenses for each machine, but you wouldn't need them on the server. Can anyone else running an NT/2000/2003 shop confirm this licensing issue? As far as I know there is no issue, and in theory you're more safe from the BSA with Linux/Samba than with all-Windows, since you can't make any licensing errors. -Ed Jason Adams wrote: I understand that the smb protocol is not in any violation, what i was talking about was does setting up a samba box to authenticate windows users conflict with any laws, seeing as how you are now negating the requirement for a licensed windows server. I would love to get rid of our Win2k pdc but my manager is a little sketchy since we have been in the eyes of the BSA for some time now (another story). Jason Philip Edelbrock wrote: SMB is a spec from IBM, if I remember right. M$ implements it (or a flavor of it anyway), but they don't 'own' it or have some proprietary closed hold on the standard. I.e., Samba is not reverse-engineered, if that's what you are thinking. It also can't be(?) used to circumvent copyright, which is what the DMCA is all about, right? Be careful about posting stuff like this to the list. It's flame bait for sure. ;') Take care. Phil Jason Adams wrote: With all this DMCA crud, is samba a target for a IP case from MS Jason Adams Any information, including protected health information (PHI), transmitted in this email is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and or exempt from disclosure under applicable Federal or State law. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon, protected health information (PHI) by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this email in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] how legal is samba
Thats right - He might be thinking of the client access licenses on the Windows servers. Samba needs no such licensing, nor is any required. As long as you have licenses for your windows clients, then you are completely legal. Remember, a LOT of people are using Samba around the world. Apple even builds a major component of their server OS around it. There are no legal issues to speak of in using a Samba server and Windows client. No CALs necessary! Even lawsuit happy SCO *grr* ships Samba with their product *double grr* :) Tony Ed Holden said: Jason, People use this Samba PDC setup all the time. As far as I know when you have a Windows PDC you need licenses for the server and for each of the clients. This is in addition to the client licenses you own for each machine. So if you buy a machine with Windows 2000 Professional you have a valid license for it. If you want to connect it to your Windows PDC you need a client license on the server as well. So in your case you'd just have client licenses for each machine, but you wouldn't need them on the server. Can anyone else running an NT/2000/2003 shop confirm this licensing issue? As far as I know there is no issue, and in theory you're more safe from the BSA with Linux/Samba than with all-Windows, since you can't make any licensing errors. -Ed Anthony Hess CoEM Computer Services -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
