Re: [Samba] samba replacing novell
Hi, If you experince slowdowns on Windows when the Novell client is installed, you can try the following: Start -> Control Panels -> Network Connection -> Advanced Menu -> Advanced Settings -> Provider Order tab. There you can change the order in which each network client is used (moving the windows client above the novell client should help). NOTE: Changing the order could make browsing your Novell infrastructure slowdown... you will have to test to see how things work. Mike On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 02:52:36PM +0200, Petre Bandac wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I have found a workaround by installing a terminal server and having the >> app work within the lan - browsing the database is ok, only when >> printing to the local printer it takes about 30-40 sec >> >> however, I would like to find out what is the cause for this behaviour >> >> as shown by testparm, wins is enabled >> >> I will try to enter the machine in /etc/hosts and see if I get some >> improvement > > Is the Novell client still installed? > > I have had MAJOR slowdowns when initially browsing anything on Samba, be > it printers or shares, when the Novell client is still installed and > functional. I've posted a couple of messages to list, but never really > found the solution. If I remove the Novell client, or use a machine > without it, browsing Samba is super quick and there are no issues. As > soon as that client is installed, I notice the slowdown... > -- > Matthew Daubenspeck > http://oddprocess.org > > Gentoo Linux i686 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU 5130 @ 2.00GHz > 08:27:53 up 34 days, 16:16, 4 users, load average: 0.10, 0.05, 0.01 > -- > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba > -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba replacing novell
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 02:52:36PM +0200, Petre Bandac wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I have found a workaround by installing a terminal server and having the > app work within the lan - browsing the database is ok, only when > printing to the local printer it takes about 30-40 sec > > however, I would like to find out what is the cause for this behaviour > > as shown by testparm, wins is enabled > > I will try to enter the machine in /etc/hosts and see if I get some > improvement Is the Novell client still installed? I have had MAJOR slowdowns when initially browsing anything on Samba, be it printers or shares, when the Novell client is still installed and functional. I've posted a couple of messages to list, but never really found the solution. If I remove the Novell client, or use a machine without it, browsing Samba is super quick and there are no issues. As soon as that client is installed, I notice the slowdown... -- Matthew Daubenspeck http://oddprocess.org Gentoo Linux i686 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU 5130 @ 2.00GHz 08:27:53 up 34 days, 16:16, 4 users, load average: 0.10, 0.05, 0.01 -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba replacing novell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have found a workaround by installing a terminal server and having the app work within the lan - browsing the database is ok, only when printing to the local printer it takes about 30-40 sec however, I would like to find out what is the cause for this behaviour as shown by testparm, wins is enabled I will try to enter the machine in /etc/hosts and see if I get some improvement Moray Henderson wrote: > Petre Bandac wrote: >> - - when ran from a remote location (connected via openvpn), the app > takes >> a very long time to open, and when searching for records it takes more >> than 2-3 minutes to display the results of the query (even though other >> tests have shown the connectivity is ok and file transfer is as fast as >> the line allows) - this happens even if this workstation is the only > one >> accesing the fileserver > > Is name resolution working properly? Windows shortcuts contain a hidden > server name; if Windows has trouble resolving the server by name you can > have long delays. Similarly for database queries. > > > Moray. > "To err is human. To purr, feline" > > > > > > - -- Petre Bandac Network Scientist - - pe...@kgb.ro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFM7QqTwAhp/odORYgRAjHYAJ9sHclboiGZJoYetqysXhYOhXVFiwCgiN6I 9KgCMEO4b2uvzUaEG72Y/fI= =LSSg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba replacing novell
Petre Bandac wrote: >- - when ran from a remote location (connected via openvpn), the app takes >a very long time to open, and when searching for records it takes more >than 2-3 minutes to display the results of the query (even though other >tests have shown the connectivity is ok and file transfer is as fast as >the line allows) - this happens even if this workstation is the only one >accesing the fileserver Is name resolution working properly? Windows shortcuts contain a hidden server name; if Windows has trouble resolving the server by name you can have long delays. Similarly for database queries. Moray. "To err is human. To purr, feline" -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba replacing novell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hallo attached is the tcpdump for the computer with the slow running app - remote workstation with openvpn (for the local computers - it is only the app that freezes, not the whole operating system) the workstations are all win xp I shall test today from the remote workstation with the share from a 2k3 server and see what happens, in order to exactly locate where the problem resides I have also enabled debug level 10 and see what comes up; hopefully this won't overload the server thanks, petre Jeremy Allison wrote: > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 01:55:41AM +0200, Petre Bandac wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> hallo >> >> I have decomissioned an old novell netware serving as fileserver for a >> foxpro app with a samba virtual freebsd machine under vmware esxi >> >> all works ok (time of response when browsing folders, throughput at >> speed tests, etc), except the following foxpro related issues which I >> could not solve in the last week: >> >> - - when ran from LAN, the app randomly freezes from time to time > > Can you get wireshark traces or debug level 10 logs of what is > going on when the app freezes ? Does it eventually display an > error message or is the client computer just frozen and needs > to be rebooted ? > >> - - when ran from a remote location (connected via openvpn), the app takes >> a very long time to open, and when searching for records it takes more >> than 2-3 minutes to display the results of the query (even though other >> tests have shown the connectivity is ok and file transfer is as fast as >> the line allows) - this happens even if this workstation is the only one >> accesing the fileserver >> >> this behavior appeared only after switching from novell to samba > > Again, traces of what is going on here would be needed. If the client > machine is Win7, SMB2 support (due in Samba 3.6.0) might help as > Microsoft have done lots of work on the SMB2 redirector for high > latency links. > > Jeremy. - -- Petre Bandac Network Scientist - - pe...@kgb.ro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFM7EtqwAhp/odORYgRApB6AJ49ioulG2Z8I3x6kffLE5QUhI67RQCfZDjb x8FXNHj0OW9adyxlMAwOFJE= =O3eW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba replacing novell
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 01:55:41AM +0200, Petre Bandac wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > hallo > > I have decomissioned an old novell netware serving as fileserver for a > foxpro app with a samba virtual freebsd machine under vmware esxi > > all works ok (time of response when browsing folders, throughput at > speed tests, etc), except the following foxpro related issues which I > could not solve in the last week: > > - - when ran from LAN, the app randomly freezes from time to time Can you get wireshark traces or debug level 10 logs of what is going on when the app freezes ? Does it eventually display an error message or is the client computer just frozen and needs to be rebooted ? > - - when ran from a remote location (connected via openvpn), the app takes > a very long time to open, and when searching for records it takes more > than 2-3 minutes to display the results of the query (even though other > tests have shown the connectivity is ok and file transfer is as fast as > the line allows) - this happens even if this workstation is the only one > accesing the fileserver > > this behavior appeared only after switching from novell to samba Again, traces of what is going on here would be needed. If the client machine is Win7, SMB2 support (due in Samba 3.6.0) might help as Microsoft have done lots of work on the SMB2 redirector for high latency links. Jeremy. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba replacing novell
hallo, please see answers below > Does the application create temporary files? Or does it try to create > temporary files? Can you configure the app to use the local client hard > drive for temporary files.I found that some MS Office Apps do funny > things with file permissions that are more likely to show up on a Samba > server (mapping NTFS to Unix permissions) than on a Windows file server > (native NTFS.) the shortcuts for the app use start in = network path and running directory = c:\ (used for tmp files) > > What version of Novell Netware? Were you using IPX/SPX or TCP/IP? Where > you using the Netware client from Novell or the one from Microsoft? the workstations had the novell netware client installed on (version 4 if I am not mistaking) and the server was from around '96-'99 > Are you using a UNC path (e.g. \\myserver\share1) or drive mappings to the > network share (e.g. P: is mapped to \\myserver\share1.) there is a script ran from startup which states something like net use r: \\ip.add.re.ss\share /persistent:yes /USER:\user password I have my reasons not to have a domain deployed there I had a windows 2003 server installed as a virtual machine and will test tomorrow if the behaviour is the same I would like to keep the samba deployment, though ... > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: samba-boun...@lists.samba.org [mailto:samba-boun...@lists.samba.org] > On Behalf Of Petre Bandac > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 6:56 PM > To: samba@lists.samba.org > Subject: [Samba] samba replacing novell > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > hallo > > I have decomissioned an old novell netware serving as fileserver for a > foxpro app with a samba virtual freebsd machine under vmware esxi > > all works ok (time of response when browsing folders, throughput at > speed tests, etc), except the following foxpro related issues which I > could not solve in the last week: > > - - when ran from LAN, the app randomly freezes from time to time > > - - when ran from a remote location (connected via openvpn), the app takes > a very long time to open, and when searching for records it takes more > than 2-3 minutes to display the results of the query (even though other > tests have shown the connectivity is ok and file transfer is as fast as > the line allows) - this happens even if this workstation is the only one > accesing the fileserver > > this behavior appeared only after switching from novell to samba > > the question which would summarize this situation would be "what exactly > did the novell netware for the foxpro app which samba does/cannot do?" > > I have tried with > > level2 oplocks = no > oplocks = no > > added IPTOS_THROUGHPUT to socket options > > and the same result > > testparm output is below > > > thank you for your time, > > petre > > ## > > [global] > workgroup = SOME_WORKGROUP > server string = fileserver > security = SHARE > map to guest = Bad Password > guest account = conta > client lanman auth = Yes > log file = /var/log/samba34/log.%m > max log size = 50 > socket options = SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 TCP_NODELAY > dns proxy = No > wins support = Yes > > > - -- > > Petre Bandac > > Network Scientist > > - - > pe...@kgb.ro > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iD8DBQFM6wL9wAhp/odORYgRAriGAKCbR46R9Yko64aWuMxK9z8/af/FCACfV6Am > Qfm0+MMXKRrzli3rNFKhhf8= > =qTzg > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > -- > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba > -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba replacing novell
Does the application create temporary files? Or does it try to create temporary files? Can you configure the app to use the local client hard drive for temporary files.I found that some MS Office Apps do funny things with file permissions that are more likely to show up on a Samba server (mapping NTFS to Unix permissions) than on a Windows file server (native NTFS.) What version of Novell Netware? Were you using IPX/SPX or TCP/IP? Where you using the Netware client from Novell or the one from Microsoft? Are you using a UNC path (e.g. \\myserver\share1) or drive mappings to the network share (e.g. P: is mapped to \\myserver\share1.) -Original Message- From: samba-boun...@lists.samba.org [mailto:samba-boun...@lists.samba.org] On Behalf Of Petre Bandac Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 6:56 PM To: samba@lists.samba.org Subject: [Samba] samba replacing novell -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hallo I have decomissioned an old novell netware serving as fileserver for a foxpro app with a samba virtual freebsd machine under vmware esxi all works ok (time of response when browsing folders, throughput at speed tests, etc), except the following foxpro related issues which I could not solve in the last week: - - when ran from LAN, the app randomly freezes from time to time - - when ran from a remote location (connected via openvpn), the app takes a very long time to open, and when searching for records it takes more than 2-3 minutes to display the results of the query (even though other tests have shown the connectivity is ok and file transfer is as fast as the line allows) - this happens even if this workstation is the only one accesing the fileserver this behavior appeared only after switching from novell to samba the question which would summarize this situation would be "what exactly did the novell netware for the foxpro app which samba does/cannot do?" I have tried with level2 oplocks = no oplocks = no added IPTOS_THROUGHPUT to socket options and the same result testparm output is below thank you for your time, petre ## [global] workgroup = SOME_WORKGROUP server string = fileserver security = SHARE map to guest = Bad Password guest account = conta client lanman auth = Yes log file = /var/log/samba34/log.%m max log size = 50 socket options = SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 TCP_NODELAY dns proxy = No wins support = Yes - -- Petre Bandac Network Scientist - - pe...@kgb.ro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFM6wL9wAhp/odORYgRAriGAKCbR46R9Yko64aWuMxK9z8/af/FCACfV6Am Qfm0+MMXKRrzli3rNFKhhf8= =qTzg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
