Re: [sane-devel] Canon TR4529 (PIXMA TR4500 Series)
Hi Rolf, I'm running straight Debian and it seems that availble version is 1.0.27. The Ubuntu link you sent shows 1.0.28. I searched on Debian Packaged and they don't seems to have something more recent :-/ Any idea where I can find it? Else I will just build from the sources. Thanks, JMS Le jeu. 12 sept. 2019 à 16:26, Rolf Bensch a écrit : > Hi JMS, > > What SANE version is installen on your system? You need version 1.0.29. > > If you're using Ubuntu or an Ubuntu clone, you can use my ppa to update > SANE: https://launchpad.net/~rolfbensch/+archive/ubuntu/sane-git . > > If you have another Linux OS, please install SANE as described in > INSTALL.linux (http://www.sane-project.org/docs.html). > > Please try to scan all dpi resolutions and after this the document feeder. > > Hope this helps. > > Cheers, > Rolf > > > > Am 27.08.19 um 15:29 schrieb Jean-Marc Spaggiari: > > Hi, > > I'm trying to get a Canon TR4529 work with Sane without any success. The > support page said testers are needed. Here am I ;) > > http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-CANON > > Scanner works well with scangearmp2. > sane-find-scanner can find it: found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9 [Canon], > product=0x1854 [TR4500 series]) at libusb:001:006 > > But scanimage doesn't return anything: > $ ./frontend/scanimage -L > > No scanners were identified. If you were expecting something different, > check that the scanner is plugged in, turned on and detected by the > sane-find-scanner tool (if appropriate). Please read the documentation > which came with this software (README, FAQ, manpages). > > I have downloaded the last snapshot and built from there. > 1008 27/08/2019 09:06:12 ./configure > 1009 27/08/2019 09:06:37 make > 1013 27/08/2019 09:11:15 ./tools/sane-find-scanner > 1016 27/08/2019 09:11:37 ./frontend/scanimage -L > > From documentation it says: > > The device name for USB devices is in the form pixma:_z > where x, y and z are vendor ID, product ID and serial number respec‐ > tively. > > > So I tried: > scanimage --device-name="pixma:04A91854_22811" > > But I don't know what is the serial number. I took the one from the > printer, but doesn't work. > > Can someone please provide some guidance on how I can make process and how > to help with the testing? > > Thanks, > > JMS > >
Re: [sane-devel] Missing list subject header
Hi Torfinn, yes, using a professional mail client, this can work. One problem is server-side filtering when using IMAP. For example my email provider (one of the biggest in Germany) doesn't support filtering on arbitrary header fields such as the List-* headers, Another problem is for people, who only temporarily subscribe to the list, just to solve one single problem. For them it's more convenient, to look for the readable / visual "crutch" in the subject line than to setup a special subfolder + filter or even implement some magic. Finally the filtering on List-* headers doesn't work, when people use the "Answer All" function. In this case there are no List-* headers in the resulting message. -Ulf Am 12.09.19 um 23:38 schrieb Torfinn Ingolfsen: > Olaf pointed to the > List-* > headers. And rightly so - this is what your mail program / client > should be filtering on. All sane (no pun intended) mailing lists have > been using that for about a decade (or more) now. > BTW, "filtering" in this case means moving mailing list post from your > normal mail "inbox" / incoming mail view to a folder / view dedicated > to a specific mailing list so it doesn't clutter you normal, day to > day important mail view. > > Learn how to setup your mail client to do this - there is probably a > youtube video if you are into that way of learning. > Oh, and for those rare individuals who needs a readable / visual > "crutch" in the subject line: please implement it yourself, based on > the relevant List-* header. > > :-) > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 6:02 PM Ralph Little wrote: >> Hi, >> I have just unsubscribed my yahoo account. >> Gmail seems to be working for me OK so that will be what I use from now on. >> Hopefully, this will improve things. >> >> Cheers, >> Ralph > > HAND
Re: [sane-devel] Missing list subject header
Olaf pointed to the List-* headers. And rightly so - this is what your mail program / client should be filtering on. All sane (no pun intended) mailing lists have been using that for about a decade (or more) now. BTW, "filtering" in this case means moving mailing list post from your normal mail "inbox" / incoming mail view to a folder / view dedicated to a specific mailing list so it doesn't clutter you normal, day to day important mail view. Learn how to setup your mail client to do this - there is probably a youtube video if you are into that way of learning. Oh, and for those rare individuals who needs a readable / visual "crutch" in the subject line: please implement it yourself, based on the relevant List-* header. :-) On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 6:02 PM Ralph Little wrote: > > Hi, > I have just unsubscribed my yahoo account. > Gmail seems to be working for me OK so that will be what I use from now on. > Hopefully, this will improve things. > > Cheers, > Ralph HAND -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen
Re: [sane-devel] gscan2pdf v2.5.6 released
Hi Jeff,, Am 12.09.19 um 18:28 schrieb Jeff: > pdftk is only necessary if you want to encrypt PDFs. Otherwise, you > can ignore the warning. > The package is called pdftk-java in Debian now, for the reasons that Mikhail > gave. i.e. > > sudo apt install pdftk-java > > if you have Debian Buster or Ubuntu Cosmic or newer. > > Otherwise, Mikhail's solution should work, as would upgrading to a newer > distro. Much thanks for you input. Well I think I don't need encrypting, so it's irrelevant for me. Anyway I think, it would be a nice idea to add pdftk to the PPA. I was in hope, gscan2pdf could help me to solve my problem, I described here: https://gitlab.com/sane-project/frontend/xsane/issues/3 It seens, it doesn't. -Ulf
Re: [sane-devel] Canon TR4529 (PIXMA TR4500 Series)
Hi JMS, What SANE version is installen on your system? You need version 1.0.29. If you're using Ubuntu or an Ubuntu clone, you can use my ppa to update SANE: https://launchpad.net/~rolfbensch/+archive/ubuntu/sane-git . If you have another Linux OS, please install SANE as described in INSTALL.linux (http://www.sane-project.org/docs.html). Please try to scan all dpi resolutions and after this the document feeder. Hope this helps. Cheers, Rolf Am 27.08.19 um 15:29 schrieb Jean-Marc Spaggiari: > Hi, > > I'm trying to get a Canon TR4529 work with Sane without any success. > The support page said testers are needed. Here am I ;) > > http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-CANON > > Scanner works well with scangearmp2. > sane-find-scanner can find it: found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9 > [Canon], product=0x1854 [TR4500 series]) at libusb:001:006 > > But scanimage doesn't return anything: > $ ./frontend/scanimage -L > > No scanners were identified. If you were expecting something different, > check that the scanner is plugged in, turned on and detected by the > sane-find-scanner tool (if appropriate). Please read the documentation > which came with this software (README, FAQ, manpages). > > I have downloaded the last snapshot and built from there. > 1008 27/08/2019 09:06:12 ./configure > 1009 27/08/2019 09:06:37 make > 1013 27/08/2019 09:11:15 ./tools/sane-find-scanner > 1016 27/08/2019 09:11:37 ./frontend/scanimage -L > > From documentation it says: > The device name for USB devices is in the form pixma:_z > where x, y and z are vendor ID, product ID and serial number respec‐ > tively. > > So I tried: > scanimage --device-name="pixma:04A91854_22811" > > But I don't know what is the serial number. I took the one from the > printer, but doesn't work. > > Can someone please provide some guidance on how I can make process and > how to help with the testing? > > Thanks, > > JMS >
Re: [sane-devel] Last call for XSane patches
Hi, On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 12:09 AM Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > > > Debian > > > > 0001-lcms2_configure. > > This duplicates the effect of another patch to the configure file. We > > will shortly be removing configure from the repo > > The other patches fixes things in configure.in. > > As long as you've also updated the current configure (by running > autoconf) skipping this seems fine. If you haven't the fixes will not > take effect. > > Done. Just now. Thanks for the reminder! > 0100-deb_docviewer > > This changes the default browser to sensible-browser. I think this is a > > distro specific change. > > In future, perhaps we could make this something that could be configured > > rather than necessitating a patch. > > Indeed, sensible-browser is distro-specific, as are www-browser and > x-www-browser. Being able to configure the browser would be nice. > Create an issue to remind yourself, perhaps? > Will do. ACK. Does the bug report contact point to openSUSE? If so, that'd be > great. I prefer not having to troubleshoot distro-specific issues. > Distro maintainer's can upstream their issues if it's really ours :-) > Perhaps there are a number of these things that could be added to configure to remove the need to patch these things. Cheers, Ralph
Re: [sane-devel] Canon ImageClass MF644Cdw
Hi Kip, As Olaf mentioned before, your scanner is implemented in stable SANE version 1.0.28 (http://www.sane-project.org/sane-backends.html#S-PIXMA), but not tested yet. If you're using Ubuntu or an Ubuntu clone, you can use my ppa to update SANE: https://launchpad.net/~rolfbensch/+archive/ubuntu/sane-git . If you have another Linux OS, please install SANE as described in INSTALL.linux (http://www.sane-project.org/docs.html). If your scanner can be found by SANE, please test scanning all dpi resolutions and the document feeder with single/multiple pages, single side and duplex. Maybe you want to test WiFi support. Hope this helps. Cheers, Rolf Am 12.09.19 um 08:52 schrieb Olaf Meeuwissen: > Hi Steve, Kip, Rolf, list, > > Steve McNeil writes: > >> Hi Kip, >> >> If you can build from source, I think I can help you. >> >> I think I can modify the source files for you to test with. > You shouldn't have to modify anything in sane-backends-1.0.28. > > @Rolf> What kind of testing would you like to be done? > >> Thank you, >> Steve >> >> On 9/5/19 4:00 AM, sane-devel-requ...@alioth-lists.debian.net wrote: >>> Greetings! Would it be possible to add a Canon ImageClass MF644Cdw to the >>> Canon Pixma driver? >>> >>> Here is the info from sane-find-scanner: >>> >>> found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9 [Canon], product=0x27fe >>> [MF642C/643C/644C]) at libusb:002:003 >>> >>> I am happy to run any testing you desire! >>> >>> -Kip > Hope this helps, > -- > Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 > GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 > Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate > Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join >
Re: [sane-devel] A query regarding Epson Perfection V39 Scanner
четвер, 12 вересня 2019 р. 15:05:00 EEST Susmita/Rajib написано: > To, > The Sane Developers' List > sane-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org > > My dear illustrious Team Members, > > I am planning to buy a Scanner. Only Epson Flatbed scanner appears > viable, as in India it seems only Epson has a very good quality of > service. I have had a very negative experience with Canon. > > In amazon.in, I find that Epson Perfection V39 Scanner is mostly sold. > There are no HP product at the nearby price range. > > However, I see at the Sane page: > that the said printer is unsupported. But the row shows some comments > that could evoke some expectations. > I quote the row: > Perfection V39USB 0x04b8/0x013d Unsupported supported by the > epkowa backend plus non-free interpreter epson2 > (1.0.124 (unmaintained)) sane-epson2 > > It is probably developed by the manufacturer itself. The question is: > will it work for a given Linux system? I have an old Ubuntu system and > Knoppix 7.2.0 based on Debian wheezy. Yes, I know that I need to > upgrade. I have even downloaded Knoppix 8.5 but haven't installed it > on my computer. The older versions presently address all my needs. > > My Ubuntu system is: > Description: Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS > Release: 14.04 > Codename: trusty > > Any suggestion on Epson drivers? Any suggestion on any other scanner? > The Amazon page for India is: > https://www.amazon.in > > Eagerly awaiting your advice. > > Regards, > Rajib Bandopadhyay > A Linux user Hi, I'm an owner of Epson Perfection V330 Photo scanner (V37 analog, production of 2013). It worked then and works now on proprietary drivers from Epson: http://support.epson.net/linux/en/imagescanv3.php You can find the version that fits (the first link with version 3.59.2 is the driver, the second with version 2.30.4 is its frontend, ImageScan) here https://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/searchModule Just enter "V39" into the search field. It is enough to install the drovers to get the full scanner functionality. However, Epson proposes the driver packages for Ubuntu 16.04 and above only. Hope this helps. Best regards, Yuri
Re: [sane-devel] gscan2pdf v2.5.6 released
Hi Ulf, On 11/09/2019 19:58, Ulf Zibis wrote: > I have installed it on Ubuntu from PPA. > After Start it says, that package pdftk is missing, but I can not > install it with: > sudo apt install pdftk pdftk is only necessary if you want to encrypt PDFs. Otherwise, you can ignore the warning. The package is called pdftk-java in Debian now, for the reasons that Mikhail gave. i.e. sudo apt install pdftk-java if you have Debian Buster or Ubuntu Cosmic or newer. Otherwise, Mikhail's solution should work, as would upgrading to a newer distro. Regards Jeff signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [sane-devel] Missing list subject header
Hi, I have just unsubscribed my yahoo account. Gmail seems to be working for me OK so that will be what I use from now on. Hopefully, this will improve things. Cheers, Ralph
[sane-devel] test message, please ignore 2
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[sane-devel] test message, please ignore
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Re: Missing list subject header
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 4:36 AM Jonathan Buzzard wrote: > > On Wed, 2019-09-11 at 16:37 -0400, m. allan noah wrote: > > Probably not, as this seems to cause problems with sending mail to > > yahoo and gmail users because of DMARC policy checking. > > > > This significant change (because it is going to break a large number of > subscribers filtering) should have been announced to the list not > silently implemented. Housefires and wars are significant. This is just a change to an email subject line :) But otherwise, I agree with you, I should have announced this particular change more widely. I'm going to turn the feature back on now, and we can see if posts from Yahoo email addresses cause all our gmail subscribers to be unsubscribed, again. allan -- "well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"
A query regarding Epson Perfection V39 Scanner
To, The Sane Developers' List sane-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org My dear illustrious Team Members, I am planning to buy a Scanner. Only Epson Flatbed scanner appears viable, as in India it seems only Epson has a very good quality of service. I have had a very negative experience with Canon. In amazon.in, I find that Epson Perfection V39 Scanner is mostly sold. There are no HP product at the nearby price range. However, I see at the Sane page: that the said printer is unsupported. But the row shows some comments that could evoke some expectations. I quote the row: Perfection V39 USB 0x04b8/0x013d Unsupported supported by the epkowa backend plus non-free interpreterepson2 (1.0.124 (unmaintained))sane-epson2 It is probably developed by the manufacturer itself. The question is: will it work for a given Linux system? I have an old Ubuntu system and Knoppix 7.2.0 based on Debian wheezy. Yes, I know that I need to upgrade. I have even downloaded Knoppix 8.5 but haven't installed it on my computer. The older versions presently address all my needs. My Ubuntu system is: Description:Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS Release:14.04 Codename: trusty Any suggestion on Epson drivers? Any suggestion on any other scanner? The Amazon page for India is: https://www.amazon.in Eagerly awaiting your advice. Regards, Rajib Bandopadhyay A Linux user
Re: Missing list subject header
Well, I changed a few different settings at the same time, to stop the mass unsubscribes quickly. I could do a binary search, and turn the subject line manipulation back on. If that causes a problem, I'll revert the change. allan On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 5:40 PM Ulf Zibis wrote: > > So bad :-( > > I'm subscribed to many lists, which all have such tags in the subject > line.. So I'm wondering why only [sane-devel] has this problem. > > -Ulf > > Am 11.09.19 um 22:37 schrieb m. allan noah: > > Probably not, as this seems to cause problems with sending mail to > > yahoo and gmail users because of DMARC policy checking. > > > > allan > > > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 4:16 PM Ulf Zibis wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> since some days, the header [sane-devel] is no more in the subject line > >> of the list messages. > >> > >> Is there a chance, that it will come back? > >> > >> -Ulf > >> > >> -- > >> Von meinem Seibert gesendet > >> > >> > > > -- "well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"
Re: Missing list subject header
Ulf, On 2019-09-12 14:54, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: Hi Ulf, Ulf Zibis writes: So bad :-( I'm subscribed to many lists, which all have such tags in the subject line.. So I'm wondering why only [sane-devel] has this problem. There's a X-BeenThere: sane-devel@alioth-lists.debian.net header that you might be able to use for filtering purposes if that's what you're looking for. Depending on your mail receiving setup you could even insert [sane-devel] in the header on your end based on that if you're looking for a visual clue. # My mail reader, mu4e, inserts a # # List: sane-devel.alioth-lists.debian.net # # header somehow :-) I don't remember the details but I think it uses # one (or several?) of the List-* headers to do so. Hope that helps, I use maildrop a pre-filter to put incoming messages into appropriate folders - by sender etc - but this is on a Maildir setup so I don't know if it would work for you . . P. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au
Re: Missing list subject header
On Wed, 2019-09-11 at 16:37 -0400, m. allan noah wrote: > Probably not, as this seems to cause problems with sending mail to > yahoo and gmail users because of DMARC policy checking. > This significant change (because it is going to break a large number of subscribers filtering) should have been announced to the list not silently implemented. JAB. -- Jonathan A. Buzzard Email: jonathan (at) buzzard.me.uk Fife, United Kingdom.
Re: Empower xsane to directly create multi-page TIFF with Fax G4 compression
Am 12.09.19 um 08:55 schrieb Olaf Meeuwissen: > Perhaps Ulf should submit an issue? Makes it easier not to forget about > this :-) Done: https://gitlab.com/sane-project/frontend/xsane/issues/2 https://gitlab.com/sane-project/frontend/xsane/issues/3 -Ulf
Re: Last call for XSane patches
Hi Ralph, Ralph Little writes: > Hi, > OK, my XSANE downstream patch branch is bulging with patchy goodness. > I think I have caught pretty much all that is worth looking at. > So I think I will submit a merge request, to trigger Olaf or someone > else to check through before merging. I'll have a look at the merge request, soonish, I hope. > I have looked through Debian and OpenSUSE for their contributions and > most have been applied. > The following have been held back: > > Debian > > 0001-lcms2_configure. > This duplicates the effect of another patch to the configure file. We > will shortly be removing configure from the repo > The other patches fixes things in configure.in. As long as you've also updated the current configure (by running autoconf) skipping this seems fine. If you haven't the fixes will not take effect. > 0100-deb_docviewer > This changes the default browser to sensible-browser. I think this is a > distro specific change. > In future, perhaps we could make this something that could be configured > rather than necessitating a patch. Indeed, sensible-browser is distro-specific, as are www-browser and x-www-browser. Being able to configure the browser would be nice. Create an issue to remind yourself, perhaps? > 0120-deb_printing_defaults > This changes the default printer from lpr to lp. Again I think this may > be distro specific. > However, I think pretty much everyone is using CUPS these days and CUPS > supports both. > One is supposed to be more feature rich than the other. I am undecided. > If anyone has an opinion on this, I would be interested to hear it. Mostly as per Till's comments but please note that we also support non-Linux systems (to some extent) which may not have CUPS. > 0110-deb_inhibit_clickthrough > I mentioned this in another mailing. I will sit on this for the moment. Will follow up on the other mail. > 0140-fix_pdf_xref > Looking at the code, this patch seems to be superfluous. > Perhaps upstream fixed this and Debian didn't realise? > > openSUSE > = > 001-xdg-open-as-default-browser > Changes default browser from netscape (?) to xdg-open > These seems to be distro specific. Again, we should come up with a > reasonable mechanism for distros to customize the defaults without > having to patch. ACK. IIRC, xdg-open is a freedesktop.org utility and would generally be available on Linux systems. It only works inside desktop sessions so is similar to Debian's x-www-browser. It cannot be used in CLI sessions. But then again, XSane isn't very useful in those either :-) > 902-license-dialog > A different form of Debian 0110-deb_inhibit_clickthrough > It also changes the bug report contact, but I will sit on this also for > the reasons mentioned above. ACK. Does the bug report contact point to openSUSE? If so, that'd be great. I prefer not having to troubleshoot distro-specific issues. Distro maintainer's can upstream their issues if it's really ours :-) Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join
Re: Empower xsane to directly create multi-page TIFF with Fax G4 compression
Hi Ulf, Ralph, list, Ulf Zibis writes: > Am 12.09.19 um 01:07 schrieb Ralph Little: >> >> It's not inconceivable to have a scripted session feature added to >> XSane in the future. >> Unfortunately, we are currently in progress to bring the code base up >> to modern spec and get it properly buildable. >> It is indeed an interesting idea and I will bear it mind for a future >> enhancement. Perhaps Ulf should submit an issue? Makes it easier not to forget about this :-) Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join
Re: Canon ImageClass MF644Cdw
Hi Steve, Kip, Rolf, list, Steve McNeil writes: > Hi Kip, > > If you can build from source, I think I can help you. > > I think I can modify the source files for you to test with. You shouldn't have to modify anything in sane-backends-1.0.28. @Rolf> What kind of testing would you like to be done? > Thank you, > Steve > > On 9/5/19 4:00 AM, sane-devel-requ...@alioth-lists.debian.net wrote: >> >> Greetings! Would it be possible to add a Canon ImageClass MF644Cdw to the >> Canon Pixma driver? >> >> Here is the info from sane-find-scanner: >> >> found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9 [Canon], product=0x27fe >> [MF642C/643C/644C]) at libusb:002:003 >> >> I am happy to run any testing you desire! >> >> -Kip Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join
Re: Last call for XSane patches
Hi Till, Till Kamppeter writes: > When I see this Debian patch to choose between lp and lpr as "default > printer", how is printing in XSane implemented? Is it still the decades-old > way of offering the user to enter a print command line? I think yes but haven't looked at the code. > Back in 2005 I > requsted a decent CUPS print dialog in GTK and 2006 it got actually > implemented and nowadays practically every GTK app uses it (and if not, or > not GTK they have their own similar dialog). XSane hasn't received much development since its last release in 2013. If it wouldn't have been for the SANE Project, XSane would likely have died a silent death after its sole developer took the website off-line after the GDPR went into effect. The SANE Project has "adopted" XSane and we're blowing off some dust and catching up with changes. I, for one, am very glad that someone has stepped up to maintain XSane again. Thanks, Ralph! Keep up the good work. > Come on, it is 2019 now! Patches welcome :-) https://gitlab.com/sane-project/frontend/xsane/issues/new > By the way, there is no other printing system than CUPS actually > supposed/developed any more. Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join
