[Savannah-register-public] [task #10563] Submission of Lout

[Karl Berry]

Update of task #10563 (project administration):

 Open/Closed:Open => Closed 

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Follow-up Comment #15:

I'm closing it, Ludo and I can discuss further separately if we have to.


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[Savannah-register-public] [task #10563] Submission of Lout

[Alex Fernandez]

Follow-up Comment #14, task #10563 (project administration):

Hi Ludovic and Mario,

I am reviewing old open tasks, and this one seems to have been resolved. If
the only remaining issue is about font metrics, and these are not
copyrighteable, can we close this task?

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[Savannah-register-public] [task #10563] Submission of Lout

[Karl Berry]

Follow-up Comment #13, task #10563 (project administration):

Please check GNU Ghostscript for the URW afm's. I don't have an exact pointer
at hand, sorry. Anyway, we can continue that search offline.  (It's highly
debatable whether metrics are copyrightable in the first place; this need not
delay project approval.)

Regarding metrics incompatibility, since all these fonts, either from Adobe
or URW or derived versions, have changed (both metrics and glyphs) over time
and different printers & systems will have different versions, there's no use
in worrying about it; perfect compatibility is not possible. So I'd just go
with the current version of the declared-free metrics, once we find them ...





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[Savannah-register-public] [task #10563] Submission of Lout

[Ludovic Courtès]

Follow-up Comment #12, task #10563 (project administration):

Hello!

The files in "fonts/' are the "font metrics" (aka. "AFM"), not the actual
fonts.

However, I can't find the AFM files from URW++, nor the freed ones from
Adobe.  Karl?

BTW, the URW++ and Adobe fonts are slightly different, though the difference
is hardly noticeable, AFAICT.  Does it matter which font metrics Lout uses
(URW++ or Adbove), given that GNU/Linux distros typically come with the URW++
fonts, whereas printers may come with Adobe's?

Thanks,
Ludo'.



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[Savannah-register-public] [task #10563] Submission of Lout

[Mario Castelán Castro]

Follow-up Comment #11, task #10563 (project administration):

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2010-10-03 in GNU Savannah task #10563: "Submission of Lout".

There are several files in "font".  I don't know what's the case of
each one but please either replace them with the free version Karl is
talking about or update the license notice if these are the ones who
has been freed.

Regards.
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[Savannah-register-public] [task #10563] Submission of Lout

[Jeffrey H. Kingston]

Follow-up Comment #10, task #10563 (project administration):

Yes, just AFM files, no real problems.  Perhaps a comment
in the header file of the relevant directory would be
enough.

Jeff

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[Savannah-register-public] [task #10563] Submission of Lout

[Karl Berry]

Follow-up Comment #9, task #10563 (project administration):

The mailing list already exists, nothing to be done there.  If there are
problems with it, I'm sure we'll hear about them in due course :).

As for the nonfree font files, fortunately it's not a serious problem, since
there are more-or-less compatible and definitely free versions of the standard
35 PostScript fonts (like Zapf Chancery), originally from URW.  Lout should
probably just import the files from there, or the Ghostscript distribution, or
some such.  Or if we're just talking about AFM's, Adobe eventually freed
those.

Jeff, Ludo, wdyt?

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[Savannah-register-public] [task #10563] Submission of Lout

[Mario Castelán Castro]

Follow-up Comment #8, task #10563 (project administration):

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2010-10-01 in GNU Savannah task #10563: "Submission of Lout"

Hello.

> The recent release of version 3.39 hopefully addresses the problems
> you identified.

Files inside man directory don't contains a Copyright notice but an
authorship notice.  If Jeffrey H. Kingston is the Copyright holder of
these files please turn this into a Copyright notice, else please add
a Copyright notice.  By the way, blurb, blurb.short lack this
information too; if you don't want to include the licensing
information there, could you please list these files in the README
files as being under the there aforesaid terms?.

Some files inside font directory contains a like like:

Notice Copyright (c) 1990 Adobe Systems Incorporated.  All Rights
Reserved.ITC Zapf Chancery is a registered trademark of International Typeface
Corporation.

This would mean these files are proprietary, if so they must be
removed from GNU Savannah; but I may be missing something (Are the
copying permissions stated elsewhere?).  Please provide more
information on this critical issue.

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> Karl: the mailing list archive is available from
> . Could you import
> it?

Maybe you should send a support request at
https://savannah.gnu.org/support/?func=additem&group=administration,
this way we make sure the mailing list issue don't get lost when this
item is closed.

Regards and thanks.
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[Savannah-register-public] [task #10563] Submission of Lout

[Ludovic Courtès]

Follow-up Comment #7, task #10563 (project administration):

Hi,

The recent release of version 3.39 hopefully addresses the problems you
identified.

Thanks,
Ludo'.

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[Savannah-register-public] [task #10563] Submission of Lout

[Ludovic Courtès]

Follow-up Comment #6, task #10563 (project administration):

Thanks Mario & Karl.

Karl: the mailing list archive is available from
.  Could you import it?

We'll take care of the wiki later on.

Thanks!
Ludo'.

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[Savannah-register-public] [task #10563] Submission of Lout

[Mario Castelán Castro]

Update of task #10563 (project administration):

  Status: In Progress => Done   

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Follow-up Comment #5:

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2010-09-07 in GNU Savannah task #10563: "Submission of Lout".

> I suggest that we go on setting up the project and repository, as
> you proposed, where we'll fix things. We'll use SVN.

Ok.  You will receive an auto-generated email containing detailed
information about the approval.

Please apply the need changes as soon as possible and let us know when
done.

Regards.

Item status changes:

Category -> Approved projects to be reviewed

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[Savannah-register-public] [task #10563] Submission of Lout

[Karl Berry]

Follow-up Comment #4, task #10563 (project administration):

Hi Ludo -- regarding the mailing list, I can import the archive, assuming you
have a big mbox file.

Regarding the wiki, my impression is that the existing GNU wikis are all
hosted outside of savannah (and www.gnu.org).  hurd.gnu.org seems to be at the
FSF; I suppose we could ask the sysadmins about it.  Another possibility is
chapters.gnu.org in Spain, run by Jose and Nacho.  Not sure if they support
wikis there.  

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[Savannah-register-public] [task #10563] Submission of Lout

[Ludovic Courtès]

Follow-up Comment #3, task #10563 (project administration):

Hello,

Thanks for your response.

We agree on adding the required headers where they're missing.  I suggest
that we go on setting up the project and repository, as you proposed, where
we'll fix things.  We'll use SVN.

Besides, what about the mailing list and wiki import issues mentioned in the
original request?

Thanks,
Ludo'.

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[Savannah-register-public] [task #10563] Submission of Lout

[Mario Castelán Castro]

Update of task #10563 (project administration):

  Status:None => In Progress
 Assigned to:None => marioxcc   

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Follow-up Comment #2:

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2010-09-05 in GNU savannah task #10563: "Submission of Lout".

Hi.

I'm evaluating the project you submitted for approval in GNU Savannah.
You can reach the rest Savannah hackers (Staff) in this list:
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/savannah-hackers-public.

I noticed some issues with the tarball you submited:

Several files lack its copyright & licensing information.

In order to release your project properly and unambiguously under the
GNU GPL, please place copyright notices and permission-to-copy
statements at the beginning of every copyrightable file, usually any
file more than 10 lines long.

In addition, if you haven't already, please include a copy of the
plain text version of the GPL, available from
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt, into a file named "COPYING".

For more information, see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html.

If some of your files cannot carry such notices (e.g. binary files),
then you can add a README file in the same directory containing the
copyright and license notices. Check
http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/html_node/Copyright-Notices.html for
further information.

The GPL FAQ explains why these procedures must be followed.  To learn
why a copy of the GPL must be included with every copy of the code,
for example, see
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WhyMustIInclude.

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At your option we can continue the registration process in the (D)VCS
repository of your choise.  This means I would approve the project
just now provided you agree to fix any remaining or further issue (If
any) as soon as possible.

I will close this task when I can check all is ok but please bear in
mind you must follow the hosting requirements as long as you do use
GNU Savannah.

Regards.

Item status changes:

Assigned to -> marioxcc
Status -> In progress
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[Savannah-register-public] [task #10563] Submission of Lout

[Ludovic Courtès]

Follow-up Comment #1, task #10563 (project administration):

Hello!

Just a kind reminder that Lout needs you.  :-)

Thanks,
Ludo'.

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[Savannah-register-public] [task #10563] Submission of Lout

[Ludovic Courtès]

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 Summary: Submission of Lout
 Project: Savannah Administration
Submitted by: civodul
Submitted on: Thu 19 Aug 2010 12:49:38 PM GMT
 Should Start On: Thu 19 Aug 2010 12:00:00 AM GMT
   Should be Finished on: Sun 29 Aug 2010 12:00:00 AM GMT
Category: Project Approval
Priority: 5 - Normal
  Status: None
 Privacy: Public
Percent Complete: 0%
 Assigned to: None
 Open/Closed: Open
 Discussion Lock: Any
  Effort: 0.00

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Details:

A new project has been registered at Savannah 
This project account will remain inactive until a site admin approves or
discards the registration.


= Registration Administration =

While this item will be useful to track the registration process, *approving
or discarding the registration must be done using the specific Group
Administration
 page*,
accessible only to site administrators, effectively *logged as site
administrators* (superuser):

* Group Administration



= Registration Details =

* Name: *Lout*
* System Name:  *lout*
* Type: non-GNU software & documentation
* License: GNU General Public License v3 or later (Lout is a ~20 year old
free software project, originally developed by Jeff Kingston as part of his
research activities at the University of Sydney.

Historically, Lout-related resources have been scattered: the tarballs are at
 and mirrored at
, the mailing list (now defunct)
is at , and a wiki is at
.

The goal here would be to move all these resources in one place, and Savannah
seems like a good choice.  :-)

There are technical issues, though:

  - We'll want to import the mailing list archive.

  - Ideally, we'd like to import the wiki, but my understanding is that
Savannah doesn't officially support Wikis, except perhaps in some cases (e.g.,
).

Any idea whether/how this can be done?)



 Description: 
Lout is a document formatting system designed and implemented by Jeffrey
Kingston at the Basser Department of Computer Science, University of Sydney,
Australia.

The system reads a high-level description of a document similar in style to
LaTeX and produces a PostScript file which can be printed on most laser
printers and graphic display devices. A plain text output option is available,
as is a highly experimental PDF output mode (users are encouraged to generate
PostScript, then convert to PDF using GhostScript instead.)

Lout is inherently multilingual. Adding new languages is easy. The following
languages are currently supported (in alphabetical order): Czech, Danish,
Dutch, English, Finnish, French, German, Hungarian, Italian, Norwegian,
Polish, Portuguese, Russian, Slovenian, Spanish, Swedish. 


 Other Software Required: 
(none)


 Tarball URL: 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/lout/files/lout/3.38/lout-3.38.tar.gz/download






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