Re: [Savonet-users] Fading / Silence issues after version 0.3.8.1

2009-10-01 Thread Frits Letteboer - St. Radio Twenterand
Romain Beauxis wrote:
 Le mercredi 30 septembre 2009 17:49:54, Romain Beauxis a écrit :
 I am quite curious about your issue. Did you try to add
  conservative=true,  and also length=30. to your request-based sources
  ?

 If it still does not work with that, then I think it would worth a ticket
  with  script and logs and we should try to fix it.

No, I didn't change anything else, except for removing the harbor input
from 'final'.

 
 Another remark reading your script. The delay operator was not present in 
 3.8.1. Furthermore, in its current implementation, it might be subject of 
 issues when used with crossfading.. 

Are you sure? Since delay is working flawlessly with that version and
works great for queueing promotions and commercials.

 
 Could you also check whether the bug disapear when you remove the delays, 
 please ?

If I removed the delays I would be listening to commercials and jingles
all the time?

I will check this and report back.

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Re: [Savonet-users] Fading / Silence issues after version 0.3.8.1

2009-10-01 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le jeudi 1 octobre 2009 01:41:48, vous avez écrit :
  Another remark reading your script. The delay operator was not present
  in  3.8.1. Furthermore, in its current implementation, it might be
  subject of issues when used with crossfading..
 
 Are you sure? Since delay is working flawlessly with that version and 
 works great for queueing promotions and commercials.
 
  
  Could you also check whether the bug disapear when you remove the
  delays,  please ?
 
 If I removed the delays I would be listening to commercials and jingles 
 all the time?
 
 I will check this and report back.

Hmm Sorry, it seems I have confused delay and lag.. No need to bother about 
this..


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Re: [Savonet-users] Considering shutting down my radio and possibly making my radio management system public

2009-10-01 Thread David Baelde
Hi,

A bit off-topic too, but I'm interested about the technical part of
your site at that of others. It seems that we now have several users
that are serious and better than us at building complex sites. It
would be good for the community to leverage this.

At least you're active on the mailing list, you can possibly help
newcomers with their site. But sharing code would also be great. Are
you all using PHP? anybody using the django interface?

You probably don't want to give away a full site, and it probably
wouldn't be very useful. But there should be some utilities,
libraries, easy to separate and share. Would you be willing to start
building a common collection of those?
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Re: [Savonet-users] Fading / Silence issues after version 0.3.8.1

2009-10-01 Thread David Baelde
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Frits Letteboer - St. Radio
Twenterand f.letteb...@radiotwenterand.nl wrote:
 The problem seems to be the unused harbor input (live) in my script:
 final = fallback(track_sensitive=false,[live,muziek,security])
 When I leave it out
 final = fallback(track_sensitive=false,[muziek,security])
 all is fine.

Nice catch, good debugging! However, not enough for me to reproduce. I
tried the following on my SVN version, it worked. Also for you? There
must be something more to get the bug...

$ src/liquidsoap scripts/utils.liq
'out(fallback(track_sensitive=false,[input.harbor(none),crossfade(start_next=1.,fade_out=0.5,fade_in=0.5,playlist(~/media/audio/jazz)),sine(440.)]))'

Also, what version were you using before? another SVN, the 0.3.9?

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[Savonet-users] rtmp support

2009-10-01 Thread Artur Skupienski - DJ
Hi Guys 

How about rtmp support. Id like to run radio flash player for my aacplus 
stream, but I've got icecast...

http://savonet.rastageeks.org/ticket/242


Thanks 
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Re: [Savonet-users] rtmp support

2009-10-01 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le jeudi 1 octobre 2009 12:32:39, Artur Skupienski - DJ a écrit :
 Hi Guys 

Hi Artur !

 How about rtmp support. Id like to run radio flash player for my aacplus
  stream, but I've got icecast...

I've been thinking about this for some time.. Do you know if VLC supports rtmp 
?


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Re: [Savonet-users] rtmp support

2009-10-01 Thread Brandon Casci
If you don't mind running an addition service, you can re-stream  
shoutcast and icecast mp3 or aacplus streams  through Wowza Media  
Server. They have a free package for 10 concurrent listeners.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 1, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Artur Skupienski - DJ ar...@orla.fm wrote:

 Hi Guys

 How about rtmp support. Id like to run radio flash player for my  
 aacplus stream, but I've got icecast...

 http://savonet.rastageeks.org/ticket/242


 Thanks
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Re: [Savonet-users] Fading / Silence issues after version 0.3.8.1

2009-10-01 Thread Frits Letteboer - St. Radio Twenterand
Romain Beauxis wrote:
 Le jeudi 1 octobre 2009 11:41:36, Frits Letteboer - St. Radio Twenterand a 
 écrit :
 Nice catch, good debugging! However, not enough for me to reproduce. I
 tried the following on my SVN version, it worked. Also for you? There
 must be something more to get the bug...
 Yes, also removing the harbor does NOT fix it, as I assumed earlier... 
 Utterly strange. It seems the 10-second silence is not always present, 
 but is most of the time.
 
 Well, such an issue may come from some hardware or software limitations on 
 the 
 box.
 
 For instance, CPU usage could trigger the issue. Also, file system may be 
 shared, or on a RAID and this generates delay etc...

The machine is a quad core Xeon X3210 with 8 gigs of RAM. Music is on a 
separate hard drive. CPU load is 0.6, RAM usage 42% at the time of 
testing. Therefore it's highly unlikely that load's the issue. Since 
this problem only occurs with versions after at least 0.3.8.1.

Also, there is nothing in the log suggesting problems.

 
 The things that you could try to do to check this are:
  * Setting conservative to true and length to 30. If you already tried this, 
 please let met know, I have not seen anything on this yet.

I just tried, it might lessen the number of 10-second delays, but 
doesn't get rid of them, unfortunately.


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Re: [Savonet-users] Fading / Silence issues after version 0.3.8.1

2009-10-01 Thread David Baelde
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Frits f.letteb...@radiotwenterand.nl wrote:
 But this script ALSO has regular 10-second silence-issues on a lot of
 tracks. A guesstimation of about 2 in 3 tracks.

Thanks for testing that. It might be some delay in preparing tracks,
trying to read metadata in a funky format... (In which case the
conservative mode should increase the number of blanks, not decrease
them.)

Could you try with a single(somefile.mp3) instead of a playlist?

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Re: [Savonet-users] Fading / Silence issues after version 0.3.8.1

2009-10-01 Thread Romain Beauxis
Hi !

Le jeudi 1 octobre 2009 17:40:45, David Baelde a écrit :
 On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Frits f.letteb...@radiotwenterand.nl 
wrote:
  But this script ALSO has regular 10-second silence-issues on a lot of
  tracks. A guesstimation of about 2 in 3 tracks.
 
 Thanks for testing that. It might be some delay in preparing tracks,
 trying to read metadata in a funky format... (In which case the
 conservative mode should increase the number of blanks, not decrease
 them.)

I don't understand this.. :-)

 Could you try with a single(somefile.mp3) instead of a playlist?

Good idea !

Also, it should be interesting to have some loggs of the issue, setting it to 
a verbose level:
  set(log.level,5)

Another interesting possibility would be to check whether this works better 
with the default parameters for the crossfade, or with a smart_crossfade.

Another possible check is the conservative mode in cross. It is hardcoded to 
true in crossfade, but you should be able to define a new crossfade function 
and check whether this works better with it:

def crossfade(~start_next,~fade_in,~fade_out,s)
  s = fade.in(duration=fade_in,s)
  s = fade.out(duration=fade_out,s)
  fader = fun (a,b) - add(normalize=false,[b,a])
  cross(conservative=false,duration=start_next,fader,s)
end


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Re: [Savonet-users] Fading / Silence issues after version 0.3.8.1

2009-10-01 Thread David Baelde
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:45 AM, Romain Beauxis to...@rastageeks.org wrote:
 Thanks for testing that. It might be some delay in preparing tracks,
 trying to read metadata in a funky format... (In which case the
 conservative mode should increase the number of blanks, not decrease
 them.)

 I don't understand this.. :-)

You're right, thank you: in conservative mode, the remaining time is
not counted as part of the estimated available data, so requests are
prepared more in advance, hence possibly less blank.
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