Re: [Scid-users] Wither ratings.ssp?
Hi! Does anyone know what method he used to keep the file current. Asked Franz years ago to share his code but he didn't want to back then. Probably, he may change his opinion now? -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- BPM Camp - Free Virtual Workshop May 6th at 10am PDT/1PM EDT Develop your own process in accordance with the BPMN 2 standard Learn Process modeling best practices with Bonita BPM through live exercises http://www.bonitasoft.com/be-part-of-it/events/bpm-camp-virtual- event?utm_ source=Sourceforge_BPM_Camp_5_6_15utm_medium=emailutm_campaign=VA_SF ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] TimeSeal
Hi! I don't think SCID's code comes with Timeseal. Nope. And it would be problematic as timeseal to the best of my knowlege is available as binaries only. They still believe in security by obscurity. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
[Scid-users] ekiga
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Re: [Scid-users] ICCF changes to xfcc secure server (patch)
On 08/23/2014 06:57 PM, Andrew Hunt wrote: Hi! I wrote a patch for correspondence.tcl that adds https support, but it should be reviewed. Apologies if this isn't the best way to receive patches, I tried to access the How to create patches link in the wiki, but received: Error 403: Create access required Thanks for your help. I pushed a slightly modified version of your code: can you try if it works? Also reflected in the help. BTW - I'm also seeing the following error (running on OSX 10.8.5) -- invalid command name .menu.tools while executing $m entryconfigure 0 -state normal (procedure ::CorrespondenceChess::EnableEngineAnalysis line 22) invoked from within ::CorrespondenceChess::EnableEngineAnalysis 1 (command bound to event) I can check into this, though not on OSX (don't think it has to do anything with the fruits.) Only on OSX and only for ICCF? This is menat for disabling the engines in case Xfcc doesn't allow for it. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Want excitement? Manually upgrade your production database. When you want reliability, choose Perforce Perforce version control. Predictably reliable. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] larger boards in scid
On 11/12/2013 05:22 PM, Fulvio wrote: Hi! Probably, the attached two scripts would be of help. I actually thought they were in the source tree. Alexander Klimov wrote: Fortunately it is not that hard to do this using ImageMagick by running the following bash script in img/pieces/Merida/ for s in 25 31 38 46 57 70 86 106 130 160; do convert -size $((12*s*4))x$((s*4)) xc:white\ -family Chess Merida -pointsize $((4*s))\ -gravity North-West \ -annotate +0+0 pnbrqkomvtwl -background white \ -fill none -draw color 0,0 floodfill \ -resize $((12*s))x$((s)) \ Merida_$s.png done cool! -- November Webinars for C, C++, Fortran Developers Accelerate application performance with scalable programming models. Explore techniques for threading, error checking, porting, and tuning. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60136231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 #!/bin/sh input=$1 target=$2 # input=/opt/chess/stow/Share/share/xboard/src/Themes/Pieces/Merida/ # target=/tmp/scid pieces=B K N P Q R b k n p q r sizes=25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70 75 80 for size in $sizes do for pic in $pieces do convert $input/$pic.png -geometry $sizex$size $target/$pic-$size.png done ## montage -geometry $sizex$size+0+0 -background transparent -tile 6x1 \ ## $target/P-$size.png $target/N-$size.png $target/B-$size.png \ ## $target/R-$size.png $target/Q-$size.png $target/K-$size.png $target/black-$size.png ## montage -geometry $sizex$size+0+0 -background transparent -tile 6x1 \ ## $target/p-$size.png $target/n-$size.png $target/b-$size.png \ ## $target/r-$size.png $target/q-$size.png $target/k-$size.png $target/white-$size.png montage -geometry $sizex$size+0+0 -background transparent -tile 12x1 \ $target/p-$size.png $target/n-$size.png $target/b-$size.png \ $target/r-$size.png $target/q-$size.png $target/k-$size.png \ $target/P-$size.png $target/N-$size.png $target/B-$size.png \ $target/R-$size.png $target/Q-$size.png $target/K-$size.png $target/scid-$size.png done toscid.pl Description: Perl program -- November Webinars for C, C++, Fortran Developers Accelerate application performance with scalable programming models. Explore techniques for threading, error checking, porting, and tuning. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60136231iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Chess Fonts
On 05/09/2013 09:53 AM, Fulvio wrote: Hi! 1) add a img/boards/ReadMe.txt and a img/pieces/ReadMe.txt (both with CRLF) that explains to users how to create their own board textures and piece images: file format and size, naming conventions, etc... You could ease up that quite a bit if you just allow some dir/pieces/*.png files to be loaded in Scids initialization step. This did work in the past, just Pascal didn't like loading files instead of using precompiled tcl/tk piece images. (Basically, those compiled images are just base64-encoded pngs anyway.) I think the possibility to drop some K.png k.png and so on to a defined set of dirs below ~/.scid or (share/scid/... for globals) and thus adopting procedures of many other programs would be far easier that base64 include to some tcl and stuff. (i really hope that someone will draw a nice anime piece set :-) Beware ;) -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book Graph Databases is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their applications. This 200-page book is written by three acclaimed leaders in the field. The early access version is available now. Download your free book today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/neotech_d2d_may ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] 16.7mio game limit
On 04/19/2013 05:04 PM, Fulvio wrote: Hi! I've found scid has a limit of 16.7 million (2^24) games per database, is there an easy way to change this to 32bit or something? Easy: i don't think so. However the code already use a 32bit uint as gameNumberT. I looked at src/index.h: const gameNumberT MAX_GAMES = 16777214; // max. number of games is 2^(3*8)-1-1, // The 2^(3*8)-1 as si4 only uses three bytes to store this integer, From the comment it seems that the three byte is a limit introduced with the 4th database version of Scid. The limit is enforced in Index::WriteHeader(): FilePtr-WriteThreeBytes (Header.numGames); and it's easy to change, but will make scid incompatible with older version. Sounds like it should be changed only if one is going for some si5. Just out of shear curiosity: is 16.7e06 indeed a real world limit? I mean, are there larger databases of /sensible/ games? AFAIK even cb online is only at something about 6-7e06 and they already cover quite a lot of lower end games. Probably, one could accumulate a lot of games if one is ingesting all blitz games on ICC/FICS and the like but would that make any sense for a chess database? -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] error importing .pgn file
On 04/10/2013 04:36 AM, Fernando Javier wrote: Hi! when i try to import a single .pgn or a .pgn database, i get this mesagge: Opening polgar.pgn read-only... Importing PGN games from polgar.pgn... Error opening PGN file. what should i do??? PGN is always read only. If you want to work on it import it to a database, work on a real scid database then. You can export back to pgn if you want to for whatever reason. (Note that the clipbase is indeed a full featured database as well. But it lives only in RAM.) -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] [Scidvspc-users] Printing Games with LaTeX (Help or Feature Request)
On 04/05/2013 05:47 PM, Alan Whiteman wrote: Hi! I understand that LaTex is not a priority right now since you are getting this whole docking issue squared out. Let's just leave it as a nice-to-have feature request for future reference. Fixing Scids LaTeX output (acutally the output as such should be quite ok, but the compiler calls are all completely outdated and cluttered around in the code; one should also migrate from calling latex to calling xelatex or probably even better lualatex both with utf-8 encodings in their repsective exports, which is easy as Scid is utf-8) would make a /very nice/ initial project for new programers who want to contribute to Scids codebase. It is actually very, simple straight forward stuff collection all calls to the compilers to one module. One could learn a lot of Scids Tcl/Tk frontend and logic of Scids without to much knowlege necessary to start out. (Except that one should know what LaTeX is.) Especially, one would need almost no knowlege in the inner workings, C/C++ backend and such. It would also make a /very nice/ project for someone willing to learn Tcl/Tk as only simple stuff is required here and the final code should be quite short. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Minimize network downtime and maximize team effectiveness. Reduce network management and security costs.Learn how to hire the most talented Cisco Certified professionals. Visit the Employer Resources Portal http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/employer_resources/index.html ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Donations?
On 03/08/2013 11:02 PM, Ben St-Pierre wrote: Hi! Since Pascal left the project, there are no donate buttons anymore. I am still unsure of they were properly made at the time. Your question made me look for information about donations at SF. I found this, which seems different than the last time I checked: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Donations So it would be possible to manage a donation system. Donations to Scid in the past forwared by Pascal to some charity AFAIK. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Symantec Endpoint Protection 12 positioned as A LEADER in The Forrester Wave(TM): Endpoint Security, Q1 2013 and remains a good choice in the endpoint security space. For insight on selecting the right partner to tackle endpoint security challenges, access the full report. http://p.sf.net/sfu/symantec-dev2dev ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Testing
just not possible at all. Probably my schedules get better this year but there are no resources anyway. Too much computer stuff @work. I need to do other things @home. As an outsider to step in now and fix the issues previously addressed (both by me and what Steven wrote), I feel I would have to invest way too much time. Spending € 100,- on Hiarcs would be the much more sensible and saner option, I'm afraid. No offense, but feel free. Scid does NOT need to sell anything to anybody and it is not there to save money either ;) If you think the way to go is commercial software it's up to you. If you think it's better to do the world a favour by developing something, there is the possibility as well. Sorry, but if Scid wants to attract more developers, the people most involved in the project need to step up and join forces first, and make the barrier to entry much, much lower. The barrier was very low for quite some time and for a lot of that time almost on my time budget alone. I can not do that anymore, I can not invest time into Scid at the amount I did some time ago for the foreseeable future. The job I have to do for a living is just to demanding. Maybe I can start some smaller parts I wanted to do for quite a while now, but I'm not sure of that either. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122712 ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] script for annotating games.
On 05/02/12 13:51, rzan...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi! I was very impressed by Mike's script. Do you have one for annotating games. I have a server I would like to ssh to and just leave annotating games during the night without a graphical interface. Thanks a lot. I'm also interested to learn about any helpful documentation on scid/scripting. Actually, Scid can annotate a bunch of games in a given database right from the GUI with whatever UCI engine you like. Anything wrong with that? Just start the engine and hit the Annotate button and adjust parameters in the upcoming dialogue. In short: - Open database - Tools / Analysis Engine (Ctrl-A) - Select the engine of your choice - in the upcoming window just hit the 7th button right of the number of lines to display Get a good coffee... Now, if you want for whatever reason to do this without GUI tcl/tools/analysis.tcl is your friend. But beware: this stuff is a bit more complex than you might consider. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Fwd: Bug#661091: xfcc: I cannot resign on SchemingMind
On 03/11/12 23:17, Oliver Korff wrote: Hello Oliver! I have received this bug report, that I can't handle. If there is any hint or suggestion, that would be greatly appreciated. Trying to resign for the first time on SchemingMind.com :-) I have no luck with that. scid seems to be sending _my opponent's_ last move instead and of course the server is flagging that as an invalid move. I think the solution is simple: he should make a valid last move and hit Resign instead of Send move. OTOH, I know that accepting a draw offer works. Anyway, could the reporter of this bug please contact me on SchemingMind? E.g. in the Announcement-Forum via topic Scid and Correspondence Chess or via personal mail (paradox)? I'd need to check this live in an (unrated) game. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- This SF email is sponsosred by: Try Windows Azure free for 90 days Click Here http://p.sf.net/sfu/sfd2d-msazure ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Compiling
On 02/29/12 23:59, Gerardo Fernandez wrote: Hi! is it necessary Tcl/Tk 8.6 to compile the Scid version from the Git repository? Shouldn't be. [...] This is the error I'm getting when trying to compile on Linux Mint 9 (based on Ubuntu 10.04): src/sortcache.cpp: In static member function ‘static bool SortCache::CanLoad(char*, uint)’: src/sortcache.cpp:923: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions make: *** [src/sortcache.o] Error 1 This is more an error from you c compiler. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] scid scid vs pc
On 03/06/12 09:53, Thomas Malloy wrote: Hi! I'd rather not start a war. But if possible could anyone explain what scid vs pc is. A fork of Scid at a certain point in the code. Steve could comment on his motivation in more detail. But if I remember correctly there was basically a disagreement on which GUI widgets to use. Additionally, Steve worked more on game playing features and tried some limited 960 support. As far as I'm concerned @scid, I'd happily see quite some functions in Steves code to come back into Scid, though I found that some would need a bit of work. It looked interesting so I compiled it. I have not really looked at it to closely. I was a little surprised that it took the scid executable name. As I said it started out as a fork. I have no problem with having different versions of vi, or xemacs and emacs available on the same system. But it seemed odd that this program would not use a different name. Obviously I know how to fix that. I just thought it odd. Well, the hack is to just rename the created scid to scidvspc. Should go into Steves makefile, I agree. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Fwd: Bug#656701: scid: correspondence list navigation
On 01/30/12 21:56, Oliver Korff wrote: Hi! I received this Bug Report at the debian bug tracker, and I wanted to report it to the upstream mailing list. Any help or Ideas to the problem would be appreciated. [...] After games are retrieved they are loaded to Scids clipboard database and new moves are added and stored in the correspondence chess database opened. The most convenient way to step through the games is by the two buttons (up) and (down) which go to the previous and the next game, respectively. Note that those buttons are gone in the current git to save space. where (up) and (down) are actual arrow icons. However, my correspondence tab has no such buttons, and (even worse IMHO) there seems to be no keyboard binding for these actions. There should be bindings to ctlr + up/down arrow keys. At least they are in current git. Direct up/down is not available as you need to be able to scroll the games list itself which is done by those bindings. Depending on the version you use for building the deb packages, however, it could be that these bindings didn't exist. I didn't introduce them in the first place. Oliver, I could give you some sort of patch to add this missing function. Actually, it should already work out to replace correspondence.tcl with current git version. Though I'm not sure that you want to do such sort of mixing, CC code is quite self contained. The necessary bindings are in l.2074..2081. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Ubuntu 11.10 and menu bar
On 11/30/11 09:50, Fulvio wrote: Hi! In Unity the menu bar (File, Edit, View, etc.) is hided and showed only when you move the cursor over the title bar. But for Scid this don't works, i suppose it may depend by tcl/tk. I'd guess, that yes. Probably the cleanest way would be to tcl/tk to recognize Unity, but... Someone knows how Unity works and if it is possible to make Scid behave like the other programs? ...shouldn't this Unity stuff handle X11 properly? ;) I guess they just assume to new frameworks for this. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Fwd: Bug#657668: scid: no generic menu key?
On 01/28/12 17:05, Oliver Korff wrote: Hi! I received this Bug Report at the debian bug tracker, and I wanted to report it to the upstream mailing list. Any help or Ideas to the problem would be appreciated. Argl. Seems a sideffect of docking mode again as all the stuff mentioned works for me like a charm in classical mode. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Search within search results
On 11/17/11 10:12, Ben Hague wrote: Hi! I commonly search within search results, e.g. search for a player, and then search for games they've played with a particular opening. This no longer works (with git code), as the second search ignores the And option and searches the whole database. This seems to be because of the initDbFilter(db); line within the sc_search function in the tkscid.cpp file in the src directory. I know there's been quite a bit of work done on searches recently, is this a known byproduct? It seems so, I already tried to reach Gerd about a similar issue. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] A Simple Step to Help TWIC (or any other Ad Site)
On 01/15/12 04:19, Ben St-Pierre wrote: Hi! [...] With specific regard to automated downloads from TWIC or anywhere else, I can't recall where that was discussed. But I do recall what was being discussed here: A shell script to download many TWIC was being frowned upon by Alex. I just raised one little point some people might have missed. If somebody wants this, it should be his burden to switch it on, not my burden to switch it off. Yes, of course. We should talk about burden when comes the time to set and save preferences once. Just think how many clicks this means in one's life. If you get your games from TWIC and Mark asks us to implement this and it gets implemented, I wonder who's burden will it be to find another free games provider. Mark didn't ask us anything to implement, he asked us not to implement for a IMHO good reason. We should just respect that. Besides: personally, I see no room for any advertisements be it links or whatever to be placed within Scids code. Regardless, who will profit from them. To Marcins suggestion: one could in principle have a Source tag that is a link, but that would require the link to be persistent. I see no system of persistent identifiers for chess games. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Mar 27 - Feb 2 Save $400 by Jan. 27 Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev2 ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] A Simple Step to Help TWIC (or any other Ad Site)
On 01/13/12 21:30, Mark Morss wrote: Hi! Since you ask, I perhaps should say that I am an old Unix hand and I fully subscribe to the do one thing well philosophy. Me too. Much of what I see from the SCID list server causes me to worry that SCID is on the path to becoming bloatware. I fear you're pretty safe from that. Actually Scid should get a lot of polishing but not new features at the moment. Unfortunately however, I've currently nearly no time to work on Scid myself. I'd have a bunch of things on my list, however. With specific regard to automated downloads from TWIC or anywhere else, I would much rather see this delivered in a separate executable than as an integral part of SCID. Perfectly agree. And to assure you: we will not add such a function. I asked Mark if he'd like to have something like that, he doesn't, we'll not do it. I hope those responsible for SCID's direction take into account that more and more functionality does not always add to the utility He does :) of a piece of software. From this point of view, ChessBase and Chess Assistant are very bad models to follow. Agree. In line with this, I find the thought of links in the game headers, which would undoubtedly call some sort of attention to themselves, pretty horrifying. Probably, this would depend on how it is handled. If you just place something like Source TWIC there where you could click on the TWIC you'd hardly notice it. But to make sure that you've not to be concerned about it to happen: 1) Someone would have to do it in real life code. Experience tells me that chances are not good for this to happen. 2) The devil lives in the details here: What would you link to? It would only make sense to link to some sort of URI (persistent URL) as databases, aka _archives_, tend to live quite some time so all URLs will lead to nowhere in almost no time (compared to the time scale of a database). So, as long as chess games do not get URIs assinged that make sure that the source it links to is available next year, it doesn't make sense to store any links anyway. You may get back in the list archive to a lengthy discussion about the feasibility of such links, how one could build up URIs on basis of persistent identifiers and so on... If somebody wants this, it should be his burden to switch it on, not my burden to switch it off. The only way to handle it decently would be like the outbound linking we currently do in the players information. Note that this is indeed based upon persistent IDs for the players, and as such only available for a comparatively small number of them. (Check out Anand or Kasparov e.g.) -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Mar 27 - Feb 2 Save $400 by Jan. 27 Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev2 ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] bug: SCID and FHS
On 11/27/11 22:29, John wrote: Hi! The FHS is a Linux standard that describes the directory structure [...] Since the engines are executable code, and are usable outside of Scid, they should be stored in /usr/local/bin or maybe /usr/local/games. On a side note, since users may already have some of the engines installed, building them from source should be optional, and their binaries should be delivered in separate containers, whether packages as debs or requivalent (and so install to /usr/bin etc) or tarballs which users unpack into /usr/local/bin etc. Perfectly agree with you, in principle. The reason why it is handled differently at the moment is in fact due to this other OS-like entity that doesn't care about FHS at all. Additionally, Scids build structure is grown over the years. You may notice that ./configure is some tcl-script and not what you might imagine it is. Joost started some work on Scids build structure, but I'm not sure if he already succeeded. In case you have some code here you might want to team up with him. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
[Scid-users] Happy new year!
Hi! It's been quite a while since you read me here on the list, but I'm still around. Unfortunately, still at a work and travel load that doesn't allow me to contribute to Scid, at the moment. Indeed, I'm currently barely able to follow the list as closely as I'd like to, not to speak of actually playing Chess that much. Still, I hope this gets better, but yet I can give no detailed timeframe. (Depends a quite bit on when we get some project @work to GA.) Anyway, I want to take the opportunity to thank all those contributing to the project for all their work. Keep up, and all the best for 2012! :) -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] PGN notation time per move
On 07/19/11 19:17, Esteban Cervetto wrote:
Hi!
is it possible annotate in PGN standads the time issued per move?
It is an important data when you have to analize your performance.
I agree.
I like the ICC format, just a comment with the remaining time (
h:mm:ss )
For example:
1. e4 {1:40:30} c6 {1:40:25} 2. d4 {1:40:02} d5 {1:40:50}
I don't have time for scid development now, but after the summer i
will write some code to interpret a comment starting with h:mm:ss as
clock values and show it on the right of the board.
Great! It would be remarkable keep in mind that some points and
ideas before begin to write code:
1) Usually, the reflection time per game doesn't last more
than 120 minutes. In my personal games, I only wrote the total
minutes expended.
You're only considering OTB gameplay here. One should
howerver strive for a general solution to the issue. Also
note that there's also another AFAIK estabilished form of
time notation, something linke
[%ccsnt 2011.06.16,17:53]
(This is CC gameplay, therefore the date matters as well.)
Nevertheless, it might be wise to check out [% ] notations.
Especially, considering that it's perfectly simple to hide
those annotations and avoid crowding PGN notation. (Just
switch off arrow marks.)
AFAIK it is common to use [%ct ] and [%emt ] for usual game
times. Note that this is also the way input engine stores
times if timing is provided. It might also be worth while to
check what some larger commercial company uses as
commentaries for time storage. (I think it's the above but
I'm not 100% sure about it.)
2) Annotate time for all the moves is a very boring task.
One should keep in mind that in real game play you might
already get the time stamps from a digital clock or, in
Scids game play functions by the internal clock.
For external time sources input engine comes to mind again,
e.g. I store timings from a DGT clock right into the
notation. The format used by Scid is
[%ct $wHrs:$wMin:$wSec] [%emt $timediff]
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Re: [Scid-users] how to add shortcuts?
On 06/19/11 19:32, J. Wesley Cleveland wrote: Hi! [...] So, all we need is a menu item Run Script that allows the user to choose a tcl file and loads and runs it and we all can destroy our databases any way we choose. This would also be convenient for testing new features. Perhaps also a configuration entry to enable or disable (default disabled) this feature would also be good In principle this is indeed very simple. The ugly part, however, is that you have to be pretty careful what you script, and I'm absolutely not sure that it is advisable to make this a standard interface and encourage people to use it. Especially it will be hell of complex in case of trouble to track down what's going on. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2 ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Comments buggy!
On 06/19/11 18:06, Joost 't Hart wrote: Hi! I don't seem to be able to recreate the problem now... followed my own steps below and it didn't happen this time. Well, I'll keep an eye on it when I'm adding comments, and if it pops up again, I'll report back! Your comments should get stored as soon as the comment editor window looses the focus. Save is bound to the fact of loosing the focus, this should be absolutely ignorant of the way how this is accomplished. If you move along the game from within comment editor all keys that allow this should also trigger an autosave. Just for you as a key what to look for. Note that this is _not_ the case if you (only) clear a comment. Though even if you just clear the comment you have somehow to leave the comment window or close it or ... it will loose the focus. Right? -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2 ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] New Best tree games window
On 06/17/11 15:44, f...@libero.it wrote:
Hello Fulvio!
I pushed into the git repository the code for the new
dockable best tree games window:
I fear I have to report some issues. First of all please
keep in mind not to break classical mode, this is
imperative.
Anyway, the first issue I see is the following:
--
Error in startup script: invalid command name ttk::bindMouseWheel
while executing
ttk::bindMouseWheel $w.glist glist.ybar_ $w.glist
(procedure glist.create line 49)
invoked from within
glist.create $w.f2 switcher
(procedure ::windows::switcher::Open line 37)
invoked from within
::windows::switcher::Open
invoked from within
if { !$::docking::USE_DOCKING } {
if {$startup(switcher)} { ::windows::switcher::Open }
if {$startup(pgn)} { ::pgn::OpenClose }
if {$startup(gam...
(file ./scid line 150078)
X Error of failed request: RenderBadPicture (invalid Picture parameter)
Major opcode of failed request: 152 (RENDER)
Minor opcode of failed request: 7 (RenderFreePicture)
Picture id in failed request: 0x0
Serial number of failed request: 11807
Current serial number in output stream: 11889
--
This stems from ttk::bindMouseWheel in l.1054 of
gamelist.tcl. Why do you use ttk:: instead of bindMouseWheel
which is used in all other places? I can easily resolve this
(resuting in an immediate crash of Scid) by removing ttk::
Next I get
--
can't unset ::glistResized(.baseWin.f2.glist): no such element in array
can't unset ::glistResized(.baseWin.f2.glist): no such element in array
while executing
unset ::glistResized($w)
(procedure glist.destroy_ line 15)
invoked from within
glist.destroy_ .baseWin.f2.glist
(command bound to event)
--
immediately, if I try to open the database switcher (started
by default in my classic mode setup.)
If I ignore it and open a database and then try to fire up
the db switcher I get:
--
bad window path name .baseWin.c.f1.img
bad window path name .baseWin.c.f1.img
while executing
grid $w.c.f$i.img -row 0 -column 0 -rowspan 2 -padx 2 -pady 2
(procedure ::windows::switcher::Refresh line 16)
invoked from within
::windows::switcher::Refresh
(command bound to event)
--
I even get this if I temporarily enable docking mode.
Finally I found that if I load a database, open the tree, go
to best games and scroll with the mouse wheel I get
--
invalid command name glist.ybar_ .treeBest1.glist
invalid command name glist.ybar_ .treeBest1.glist
while executing
{glist.ybar_ .treeBest1.glist} yview scroll 1 units
(command bound to event)
--
Please have a look at those issues :)
After all those problem reports, the new best games looks
nice. I also like the footnote markers showing sorting
criteria. If you set a new criterion, however, sometimes you
have to recalculate the column width for the marker not to
overlap with the heading. (See e.g. W/B-ELO, Length, Result)
I would however tidy it up a bit using smaller line spacing
like in the games list.
Probably one could reuse the widget for the games list.
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Re: [Scid-users] DGT board in SCID under Windows
On 06/01/11 13:57, Jan Krabbenbos wrote: Hello Jan! Is there anybody who has experience how to connect a DGT EBoard with SCID under Windows? Is it just compiling dgtdrv and connect this through an Input Engine with the board? I have a customer asking this and have not done this yet myself. I never tried to compile dgtdrv myself on Windows, still I think dgtdrv wouldn't actually pose a problem here. It's plain C/C++ using only std i/o and doesn't contain any hardware specific code. If you use it you'll most likely run into difficulties with dgtnix libs in the backend containing all hardware specific code or the way how Windows handles a serial USB connection. E.g. I got dgtnix compiling out of the box on a Mac, dgtdrv startet up nicely, but it never got any answer back from the board at all. If I understood the issues correctly they stem from the missing handshake in the DGT protocol specs. It seems that the Mac drivers insist on hardware handshake or any handshake at all while the DGT board doesn't use either kind. So I sent the hello to the board, it might even have answered, but the driver sat there and waited forever for the handshake to complete. I think Pascal had a similar issue with the Novag Citrine connecting to Scid, at least I have some solution in mind involving a soldering iron and connecting two pins to get the Citrine working with his Windows CE port, so it seems to be similar there as well. @dgtdrv/Mac I was not able to resolve this issue myself being almost ignorant of hardware stuff and I didn't want to use a soldering iron and connect something I soldered together to the MacPro of a colleague. At least not without proper insurance... ;) Anyway, I think the easiest way for you @DGT is to build a simple input engine based on your own libs. In Scid you can specify which engine to call, so it doesn't have to share a name or whatever. Just go to Tools/Connect Hardware/Configure. Scid expects a port, an engine command and an engine parameter. You can see those for dgtdrv here: http://dgtdrv.sourceforge.net/dgtdrv-6.html They are just passed to the external program in the form external.exe port parameter literally. So you can come up with whatever you want here. The procotol for input engine is also simple, it's mainly xboard/uci (for this usecase the difference doesn't matter as I ignore most of the input from the GUI anyway as they are not applicable) plus some extensions specified here: http://dgtdrv.sourceforge.net/dgtdrv-3.html There might even be a suitable tool for Windows around (I'm ingorant of that platform myself, so I don't know). You could basically use every tool that allows to use xboard in an engine-engine match where the other engine is the DGT. Such a tool however will not allow for the special moves defined in input engine protocol like position setup, the DGT's version of new game and so on, so I think it is wise to add the parameters input engine protocol adds. It really tries to be a minimal superset to xboard/uci. You might like to note that the current maintainer of xboard/winboard just contacted me to implement those additions there as well and as an official addition to xboard protocol. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- EditLive Enterprise is the world's most technically advanced content authoring tool. Experience the power of Track Changes, Inline Image Editing and ensure content is compliant with Accessibility Checking. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ephox-dev2dev ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] New Best tree games window
On 06/19/11 13:04, f...@libero.it wrote: Hi! I suppose you have a tk version 8.5.9 Right. Debian stable is at 8.5.8. I think to avoid trouble with any distribution we should be compatible to that. Debian squeeze is pretty new now, still most other distributions, even the professional ones, will be at least on that level. I agree. Fine :) In fact, i wrote a workaround to deal with right-click over headings in the new best games window with tk 8.5.9. Can you please confirm that it works? Hm, depending on what you want to achieve. I actually get a context menu once I click on the heading, as I would suspect to work. Is this a yes? Ok as it's you asking. :) I removed the whole .scid, so I have the plain basic setup. Initial startup, docking mode is on now: -- bad window path name .baseWin.c.f1.img bad window path name .baseWin.c.f1.img while executing grid $w.c.f$i.img -row 0 -column 0 -rowspan 2 -padx 2 -pady 2 (procedure ::windows::switcher::Refresh line 16) invoked from within ::windows::switcher::Refresh (command bound to event) -- I cannot understand this. can you try: git reset --hard HEAD^1 (this will completely delete my last patch that modify the db switcher window) and see if solves the problem? It does. So it's definitely in your last changes. I'm about to explore what is going on. What I found so far is that the call bind $w Configure +::windows::switcher::Refresh is the source of trouble, this seems to call the Refresh-function before the window exists at all. The second observation I made just now is that the switcher window is actually not restored in size as it should be. In fact I get a window which is 1px wide and hardly larger than the windows titlebar + resizebar at the bottom. That window is hardly visible so I just missed it. Anyway, exploring this, I found that moving bind $w Configure +recordWinSize $w to the end of the routine also solves that problem. Now, no errors are thrown and the window shows up in proper size and position. So I think, the solution to the issue is moving both bindings for window configure to the end of the routine, just before setWinSize and replace ttk::bindMouseWheel by bindMouseWheel. But please cross check this! BTW: your addition of best games to the database switcher. I'm not sure that this is sensible all the time. I admit that I use the switcher just for what its name says: switching databases. For this reason I'd like to have a _small_ window. Usually it's 2x2 bases not larger. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- EditLive Enterprise is the world's most technically advanced content authoring tool. Experience the power of Track Changes, Inline Image Editing and ensure content is compliant with Accessibility Checking. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ephox-dev2dev ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] how to add shortcuts?
On 05/29/11 16:24, Fred Mellender wrote:
Hi!
I would like to see a general scripting capability that would have
commands for all the menu items in SCID as well as keyboard shortcuts.
As an example project: construct mate in one puzzles (which I have
done via the current interface to SCID, game by game):
Though a nice idea to have some sort of macro recorder, I feel that at
the moment no one has capacities to work on this. Do you? Could you
contribute the code? I fear this could get quite complex. And I'm not
sure how much use a macro recorder is in the end.
[...]
If there were a scripting capability that would include language for all
menu commands and key short cuts it would make SCID very powerful for
projects like the above. Perhaps a separate script interpreter (outside
of SCID) that could send commands to SCID (say, via STDIN) and receive
results back would be simplest to implement. If SCID would define the
command protocol, that would be enough to get us started (leaving the
script language definition and interpreter to the user community).
Well, if you want a full scale scripting language within Scid you can
just do it right now. You can even do it for years. There is no need to
invent yet another language (a wast of time anyway) and in fact not to
write a single line of code.
Just use TCL as language and use Scid as API backend. It's all there,
it's the very way how Scid is done itself. For simple examples on how to
do such things see e.g. sc_spell, sc_addmove, sc_spell, sc_import, sc_...
Doing automatic searches within the Scid database to find individual
games by some criteria is e.g. done extensively in the correspondence
chess code. (tcl/tools/correspondence.tcl) All the cc functionality
lives on top of the tcl ie. scripting layer of Scid. Not a single line
of C code is involved here. Though it integrates with Scids menues it
was in fact written almost entirely without this linkage, in a way it is
a sample of a (well, by now pretty large) Scid macro. If one drops the
requirement for NLS support, one could even move all menues and buttons
geneated right into the very module itself and it would have no
interference with Scids main code at all.
If you want to check out how such things can be done I've attached a
simple macro that embeds itself into Scids CC functions to provide
better blending with some functionalities my favourite chess club. This
is used as a plugin. This plugin adds it's own menu entries (in this
case to the CC window) and lives completely on it's own. It doesn't
provide NLS for that reason. (But personally I don't care about NLS
myself as long as everything is in English.)
However beware: if you do such scripting you can easily trigger side
effects and/or destroy your work. So place your favourite disclaimer
here before you proceed. You've been warned! ;)
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Re: [Scid-users] Comments buggy!
On 06/01/11 23:02, Mike Morrison wrote: Hi! I don't seem to be able to recreate the problem now... followed my own steps below and it didn't happen this time. Well, I'll keep an eye on it when I'm adding comments, and if it pops up again, I'll report back! Your comments should get stored as soon as the comment editor window looses the focus. Save is bound to the fact of loosing the focus, this should be absolutely ignorant of the way how this is accomplished. If you move along the game from within comment editor all keys that allow this should also trigger an autosave. Just for you as a key what to look for. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- EditLive Enterprise is the world's most technically advanced content authoring tool. Experience the power of Track Changes, Inline Image Editing and ensure content is compliant with Accessibility Checking. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ephox-dev2dev ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] New Best tree games window
On 06/19/11 17:31, f...@libero.it wrote: Hi! I cannot understand this. can you try: git reset --hard HEAD^1 (this will completely delete my last patch that modify the db switcher window) and see if solves the problem? It does. So it's definitely in your last changes. I'm about to explore what is going on. What I found so far is that the call bind $wConfigure +::windows::switcher::Refresh is the source of trouble, this seems to call the Refresh-function before the window exists at all. Scid's mysteries :-) I have no clue why works on my ubuntu and not on your debian. Well, probably a different version of tcl? The only thing that i may guess is that in someway the [sc_base current] call at line 641 in switcher.tcl change in some way the result of [sc_base count total] But that should be the case on either system then. Still, please check if moving the configure bindings is ok. I think it is harmless indeed and maybe it's even a bit more defensive in the way that it avoids a trouble that might possibly occur. But you're more in the details here. BTW: your addition of best games to the database switcher. I'm not sure that this is sensible all the time. I admit that I use the switcher just for what its name says: switching databases. For this reason I'd like to have a _small_ window. Usually it's 2x2 bases not larger. Please notice that the games list in db switcher window is different from the one into best games window. Yes. Still, what I want to point out is that it is probably not the perfect place at least if it has to be there and is not optional. This placement goes a bit in the direction of, I think, Gerds suggestion to move db switching functionality to the games list. Though I am not sure myself that it belongs there either (I prefer dedicated windows instead of everything crowded in one place kind of GUI) at least I'd find it very helpful that the db switcher can be kept a small window. The Games List by definition is a at least wide window due to the ammount of data to show there by default. Thus, if the feedback is to unify games list and db switcher, I'd vote for having db switching in the games list as an option and keep db switcher small. The idea that i wanted to show is a sort of database window where typical operations (load/copy/search games) can be perfomed all in one place. I think that the ideas and opinion of scid users can be very useful to find the optimal solution. Thats why I placed my vote ;) -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- EditLive Enterprise is the world's most technically advanced content authoring tool. Experience the power of Track Changes, Inline Image Editing and ensure content is compliant with Accessibility Checking. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ephox-dev2dev ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Analysis Tree (IE not just for openings)
On 06/05/11 01:59, Rex Butler wrote: Hi! [...] Essentially, all that would be involved would be a table of lines sorted so lines along the same branches are placed next to each other, for example: It sounds liek you want to check out the Masks in the tree window. Do they match your expectations? Did you check them out? (See Help Index / Masks for Trees). -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] how to add shortcuts?
On 04/25/11 15:08, Ingo Schwarz wrote: Hi! how can I add a shortcut for e.g. Strip:Moves from the Beginning in the PGN window? I didn't find any possibility to set it in SCID and I'm not crazy enough to modify the scid.gui where I find a lot of the other shortcuts. This is only possible by changing the source code. I would suggest that you set up a collection of what you think that should get a shortcut and we might be able to include them in upcoming versions. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- vRanger cuts backup time in half-while increasing security. With the market-leading solution for virtual backup and recovery, you get blazing-fast, flexible, and affordable data protection. Download your free trial now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-d2dcopy1 ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] [Help] Ubuntu 11.04 install scid
On 05/10/11 08:36, Alessio Tomelleri wrote:
Hi!
Thanks for the quick response! My system is AMD64 same! Added the line
you suggested, but did not work.
I think you should install the X11 dev packages. Default Ubuntu setup is
quite centred on Desktop user so you usually lack the dev-environment.
[...]
hack configure on my system.
it seem I've been able to solve this one...
following the upper advice to work in configure... :
set x11Path {
/usr/lib
/usr/X11/lib
...iv added this path, I recovered by command apt-file search libX11.so
+ /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/
+ /usr/lib/lsb3/
+ /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/
This sounds a bit a strange path, as I think it refers to the 32bit
userland, which should not be necessary on a 64bit Linux. wondering
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[Scid-users] Photos Ratings
Hi! Franz Nagl has generated a bunch of new data files: * spelling.ssp * ratings.ssp both dating 04-23-2011. Additionally, he just uploaded * FIDE.spf * Wikipedia.spf * historic.spf containing photos from FIDE, Wikipedia and historic players all in close sync with his ratings/spell checking files and properly deduped. To ease access for our users all of this is now maintained at the Scid website and you can fetch them from http://scid.sourceforge.net/download.html or if you prefer the direct download link from Sourceforges File release page: http://sourceforge.net/projects/scid/files/Player%20Data/Latest%20data Many thanks to Franz for his continued effort in providing especially spellings/ratings files and now also a decent collection of photos :) -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Fulfilling the Lean Software Promise Lean software platforms are now widely adopted and the benefits have been demonstrated beyond question. Learn why your peers are replacing JEE containers with lightweight application servers - and what you can gain from the move. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfemails ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Piece translation on OSX
On 04/23/11 09:39, guivho wrote: Hi! I can not comment on your Mac issues (lacking such a system). Keyboard move entry apparently does not use 'piece translation'. Even on windows 7, when using 'Nederlands' or 'Deutsch', one has to enter 'Nf3' to get the piece moved. It does not understand keyboard entry Pf3 nor Sf3. So this is not an OSX-problem really. This point, however, is understood. Actually, the way Scid handles keyboard move entry does not use those translations at all. I do not really know if it would even be feasible, given the fact that it would involve to check for all possible side effects (duplicate meaning of characters) within the move entry as such. So, at the moment, Scid does not even try to understand any other keyboard input beyond English notation. Having said that, I'm for myself, not even sure that it's consistent to translate the piece letters at all. But I may again be a minority. I'm using English notation throughout all my chess stuff even if I use paper and pencil to jot down moves. Thus, I actually tend to stumble upon those silly S and L notations in German literature ;) Anyway, I'd rather prefer figurine notations within Scid and only use English notations inside to keep the stuff consistent. I did some work on the Figurines in the past but it didn't turn out as straight forward as I wished it to be (mainly due to the display routines Scid uses), so it's not yet finished. However, even figurines wouln't solve your problem. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Fulfilling the Lean Software Promise Lean software platforms are now widely adopted and the benefits have been demonstrated beyond question. Learn why your peers are replacing JEE containers with lightweight application servers - and what you can gain from the move. http://p.sf.net/sfu/vmware-sfemails ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] sound under scid and a patch to announce the conclusion of games
On 03/14/11 21:00, Ermenegildo Beltrame wrote:
Hi!
Google didn't show any hits for this issue with respect to SCID in
particular so I thought I'd report it. SCID relies on snack for
announcing moves. Snack has been maintained to varying degrees on
different distributions, there is a catch {} around the actual move
announcement call so it was silently failing for me on ubuntu.
Apparently snack now needs to be compiled with ALSA support enabled
(which Ubuntu doesn't do) or it will complain about the absence of
/dev/sound/dsp.
On debian there're two snack-libs that are mutually exclusive:
libsnack2
libsnack2-alsa
I fancy it's the same on Ubunutu. Adding libsnack2-alsa works for me
(Debian 6 stable), should do on the same way on Ubuntu.
The speak script from crafty was initially a quick workaround but it
doesn't make blocking calls to esdplay so sounds aren't always clear.
Right. It is a quick hack, you may also note that it even used aplay in
some of it's incarnations. When I did that one there were quite some
different things how to do sound on Linux, esd being one of the more
standardised back then later alsa.
I tried out the move announcement feature in SCID today because I like
to walk through master's games on a physical board and I find it
distracting to move my eyes back and forth from the board to a sheet
with the list of moves. Grandmasters frequently resign many moves
before checkmate and it is a bit unsettling to simply have it stop
announcing moves so after having familiarized myself with SCID a
little bit to diagnose the aforementioned problem I added a black
resigns, white resigns, draw feature. I didn't add the
localization field for quite every language because I wasn't convinced
that a patch would be accepted. The patch for this can be found here:
http://pastebin.com/GTLFby3c One will obviously need additional .wav
files - I just recorded it myself.
I'll add your patch as a suggestion and check it out. :)
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Re: [Scid-users] Keyboard move entry
On 04/04/11 22:30, Israel Chauca F. wrote: Hi! That's strange; I've never had a problem with keyboard entry. For what it's worth, I'm using version 4.2.2 (built from source) on Kubuntu 9.10. On a new game, typing e4 doesn't move the pawn, and unless I'm mistaken, it should. I switched back to version 4.2.2 while the Play/Training options where completely absent in version 4.3. Too bad, I'll have to use the trackpad or mouse to move the pieces, quite unfortunate... It doesn't work in docked window mode, it does with the standard window mode. Do you understand this issue? I mean keyboard entry is done by ususal bind-methods we use throughout the app for hotkeys. Except for the fact that the focus issue is a bit clumsy in docked mode (ie. you have to give focus to the main board, probably moste easily done by just clickin into it) it should just work as all other hotkeys. Ie. either all are broken or none. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] [Help] Ubuntu 11.04 install scid
On 04/10/11 04:17, Welton Vaz de Souza wrote: Hi! Thanks for the quick response! My system is AMD64 same! Added the line you suggested, but did not work. I think you should install the X11 dev packages. Default Ubuntu setup is quite centred on Desktop user so you usually lack the dev-environment. Packages like libx11-dev etc. come to mind (don't know about Ubunutus precise namings, I draw from Debian). If you add them the setup should be such that your system will find them. I don't think this is an amd64 issue. At least I don't have to add any env-variables on Debian nor do I hack configure on my system. -- Kind regards,/ War is Peace. |Freedom is Slavery. Alexander Wagner| Ignorance is Strength. | | Theory : G. Orwell, 1984 / In practice: USA, since 2001 -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Opening a second base by double clicking on it
On 03/10/11 22:21, Joost 't Hart wrote: Hi! I often open game files by double clicking on them from Nautilus and would like the system not to launch a second Scid instance when there is already one. Is that possible? There is a helper app called sc_remote that should do the trick. Ie. calling sc_remote instead of Scid. However, as I try it I fear that something got messed up there. I'll take a note. For me it works, but launches the wrong scid version - the one in my path (4.2.2). Hm, again my scid preferences (board and the like) are nuked :-( $ sc_remotepath-to-dbase/dbase-name-without-file-extension If it does not work for 4.3 (only systems), something in scid seems to have fallen apart. No worries. Got it working here by patching lines 480 and 497 of sc_remote: I fell upon the main issue you mentioned. (Ie. it invoked the wrong scid version). It works indeed one just gets a superflous window. scid = ./scid thus making sure the local scid app is invoked. Not the most elegant solution... I think setting the PATH environment variable correctly would be a more elegant solution. cu Alexander -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Opening a second base by double clicking on it
On 03/04/11 10:11, Gerardo Fernandez wrote: Hi! I often open game files by double clicking on them from Nautilus and would like the system not to launch a second Scid instance when there is already one. Is that possible? There is a helper app called sc_remote that should do the trick. Ie. calling sc_remote instead of Scid. However, as I try it I fear that something got messed up there. I'll take a note. cu Alexander -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] setting up a position with black at the bottom
On 03/04/11 10:30, Fred Mellender wrote: Hi! I occasionally I run across a position on the internet with black at the bottom (8th rank at the bottom). When I use SCID’s edit/setup start board, white is at the bottom. Is there any way I can flip the start board so that I can copy the diagram from the internet into SCID? Otherwise, I have to turn the internet board mentally, which is difficult. There're several ways to achieve this. 1. Use the . shortcut (right, the dot). This will rotate the board. 2. If you prefer the mouse, you can use the button in the second icon bar next to the little hammer which will rotate the board. 3. If you often have games of that kind from the same player (ie. you) you can set My player names. (Options / Chessboard / My Playernames) to set the player you prefer to play upwards. Scid will then automatically rotate the board that way as soon as you load a game. cu Alexander -- Colocation vs. Managed Hosting A question and answer guide to determining the best fit for your organization - today and in the future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/internap-sfd2d ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Arrow keys in 4.3
On 02/27/11 22:48, Steve Steinitz wrote: Hi! I'll try to look into this. It seems to be an issue with docking mode only as I don't experience anything like that in classical mode. I confirm, on Mac OS X, the problem goes away if I un-check Options - Windows - Dock windows. Ok, then it's a docking issue. No. There was [no beta test], we just packed up cvs when no pending issues were reported. There was just some freezing stage for cvs and a bunch of people who actually use cvs versions all day long and gave the go. OK, I spent some time remembering how to use cvs and did a checkout. I used this command: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonym...@scid.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/scid co -P scid Can you please confirm that that's OK? Looks good. But notice that we will move to another version management system soon. So all you get here at the moment it 4.3 tarball. By improving the build process we hope to be able to release binary snapshots, especially for Windows, I hope Mac OS X gets a fair shake, too :) I think Israel will continue his excellent work on this end. But surely, he, as well as the project, can need skilled helping hands ;) But in case you build Scid yourself, please feel free to report issues on current cvs right away. I can't find a ticketing system for Scid. What is the best way to report issues for the current source? Actually, at the moment it is only the list. Enabling the bug tracker doesn't have a big fan Club till now and actually the projects core is pretty small. Please use decent subjecting and the usual things for email. Ie. start a new thread for a new issue, do not use reply to other threads if it is not a reply, as this will break threading. May I ask if you are thinking of moving to subversion? git? subversion or git are the two options. No clear decision yet. Both have some advantages on their own, we're discussing which would suite best. This is also some lessons learned on the way from 4.2 - 4.3. Thanks for sharing your feelings on the current state of development. You're welcome. My apologies to Mark Cooper, the original poster, for temporarily hijacking his thread. Especially for reporing issues this should be avoided as it sometimes leads to loosing issues. cu Alexander -- Free Software Download: Index, Search Analyze Logs and other IT data in Real-Time with Splunk. Collect, index and harness all the fast moving IT data generated by your applications, servers and devices whether physical, virtual or in the cloud. Deliver compliance at lower cost and gain new business insights. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-dev2dev ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Namespelling Scid bases
On 02/27/11 21:15, Gerardo Fernandez wrote: Hi! I am trying to normalize a Scid database. It contains many local players who don't appear on FIDE's rating list and many different spellings for the names (one or two surnames, capital letters, the name before the surname, etc), because different people have transcribed the games. What I'm doing is: * Export the database to a pgn file * Run a little shell script to get all the names sorted alphabetically * Create a spelling.ssp file using the previous list, which I do manually * Apply the spelling procedure to the Scid database I was wondering if there is a better way to approach the task. Any ideas? Definitely. You can just set up your personal spell checking file. Its no magic around it. The basic layout is @PLAYER .,-_* Lastname, Firstname#gm GER [maxelo] %Bio Whatever biographic info you have = Alias1 = Alias2 User, Joe#- USA [maxelo] = JOE USER = USER JOE = J USER = USER, J and so on. I think the idea is clear? You can find a full description at the start of Franz' excellent FIDE files. There's no magic of the format it's just plain text. After you created your spelling corrections and saved it to a file use Optoins/Load Spellcheck file to use it. HTH :) cu Alexander -- Free Software Download: Index, Search Analyze Logs and other IT data in Real-Time with Splunk. Collect, index and harness all the fast moving IT data generated by your applications, servers and devices whether physical, virtual or in the cloud. Deliver compliance at lower cost and gain new business insights. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-dev2dev ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Tree window loses formatting in 4.3
On 02/26/11 13:17, Mark Cooper wrote: Hi! Just upgraded to 4.3 and I've noticed that the tree window keeps loosing its layout/formatting. Any suggestions on how I can remedy this? What do you mean by loosing formatting? The columns are not aligned? Most likely then you didn't set your fixed font to a real fixed font. On any system you should have something called Courier. Could you check this one? Solves this the issue? Then you just set a proporional font here. (There're quite a number of fixed fonts, though most are indeed proportional ones.) cu Alexander -- Free Software Download: Index, Search Analyze Logs and other IT data in Real-Time with Splunk. Collect, index and harness all the fast moving IT data generated by your applications, servers and devices whether physical, virtual or in the cloud. Deliver compliance at lower cost and gain new business insights. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-dev2dev ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Sorting by variations patch
On 02/25/11 20:09, f...@libero.it wrote: Hi! I had in mind something like this: I'll leave algorithmic stuff in the hands of those who knows that area best... I tend to agree with Gerds comment that it is difficult to find a perfect formula, so it might indeed be a good thing to make the weights adjustable. (I'm not sure that this needs a GUI for the time being. I think variables would be enough.) I think, however, that by playing around here one could come up with a decent preset. Therefore, I like the approach and I think it is indeed feasable. To the comment that it adds a complex sorting criteria I think this is right, indeed. But I'd also say: who knows the formulae used by google and even if, who cares? There is a famous quote of the old chancelor of Germany that applies here and which would translate like only the result is important. (Well the original German formulation was slightly more colourful and actually a bit ambiguously.) Anyway. To me it's similar to some complex optimisation problem solved by a linear approximation formula. And we do not really need the absolute optimal solution here as it just sorts the list and you can still review the result. (Ie. we don't spit out only one game which is the best and nothing more.) It's a bit like google in this regard and sometimes you do have to go to page 25. [...] For the 'interest' value i need some chess help. The actual formula is: interest = avg_elo + bonus_comment - penalty_old - penalty_earlydraw - penalty_rapid - penalty_blind and bonus_comment = 400 penalty_old = 20*each_year_old (max 400) penalty_earlydraw = -250 if 30 moves; -100 if 40 moves penalty_rapid = -250 penalty_blind = 400 avg_elo, which we have now is probably a good starting point. I wonder if difference in ELO should be taken into account. Given the definition of the ELO system it is even a measure for the probable outcome of a game. So if a game, due to elo difference, should end to 1-0 in 90% of the cases but ends in 0-1 it should probably be of more interest then a similar game that indeed ended 1-0, not? For bonus commented I think, it is actually referring to several parts. In Scid speak we have comments referring to free text commentary, annotations referring to the presence of NAGs and variations referring to their very presence. Scid also knows their number for a given game. E.g. I've many games that are commented cause they have exactly one comment, and if you check out the comment it should have been written to a Source header line instead. :S So these are actually worthless comments for analysis and a reason why I feel that just sorting commented game on top as most relevant isn't the whole story. So I had the idea, if one shound't consider the number of comments/variations/annotations present. I'm also not entirely convinced that all three types of comments are worth the same. One could say that a variation is 3x the worth of an annotation which itself is 2x the worth of text or something the like just to put up some random numbers. I'm not really sure that just adding up the bare numbers of variations, comments and NAGs is a perfect way to weight this but usually I'd guess that a heavily annotated game is more important than one that just contains one source comment and a single ! on move 25. So this part is then probably something like bonus_comments * ( A * number_variations + B * number_nags + C * number_comments) Probably starting out with A=B=C=1 and then start playing around. Besides that, one should probably include flags. Those can be added by a user to mark a game for some characteristics. Think of white opening or black opening or pawn structure. As usually you'd flag only games that are representative in some way it might be a good idea to respect this criterion. Eg. when you analyse your opening a game flagged white opening might be more relevant as it is probably a typical game for the setup. Or I use a custom flag Lit which points me to some printed material that is probably worth checking out. For the last part of your formula, I wonder. How do you know if a game was played in a rapid or blind tournament? (BTW: I think the sign of either penality is wrong, isn't it?) Would it then be sensible to give a bonus for correspondence games then? One could think of a Mode header field (which is the way I use it but I don't have such tags for Rapid or Blindfold). I fear however it would be a bit expensive to evaluate this on a large list. Which brings me to a further question: the best games list is limited to a certain amount of games. (Gerd, here this is very different from the games list. For best games you usually don't have to sort 5*10^6 games but merely 500.) How do you do the preselect? It is a huge improvement versus the old simple avg_elo, but i'm not really satisfied. I do believe that, indeed. cu Alexander
Re: [Scid-users] parenthesized WhiteElo and BlackElo
On 02/23/11 21:31, Mark Morss wrote: Hi! Thanks for that suggestion. I must say, though, that if Scid has this number handy, it should be an option to have it written out at export time. That's a whole lot less work for the user than the procedure you suggest. I understand that this may be a rather specialized need. If you use the spell checker with one of Franz excellent ratings files Scid does actually a bit more than estimating the ratings. It really looks them up in the ratings file compares to the time frame and name and adds the rating that was published by FIDE for this very player at that time. If and only if, this comparison returns only one result. This still has some issues with ambiguous names (you can't individualise a person by her name only and you don't have better data in the usual PGN headers; most of the time you don't even have the full correct name :S) So in a way Scid tries here to avoid an automatism that might fail very well. Consider one of your junior players in your local Club which happens to be named Kasparov, Garry. Spell checking your last Club turnament will rate your junior player 2812 Elo. In that way you should definitely do this only with some sort of supervision. Even if you take Scids estimated value to be written to the exported game, this might not be correct at all. E.g. if you have two (several) players in your base that have the same name and play at different levels the estimated value will be wrong. However, if you write out the ELO to the games headers this suggests that these are real values, ie. you know that they belong to the person that played this game. That's the main reason why this is a bit more complex here and not done automatically. Given the above problems, the librarian in me tells me that this is actually wise to do it that way. cu Alexander -- Free Software Download: Index, Search Analyze Logs and other IT data in Real-Time with Splunk. Collect, index and harness all the fast moving IT data generated by your applications, servers and devices whether physical, virtual or in the cloud. Deliver compliance at lower cost and gain new business insights. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-dev2dev ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Sorting by variations patch
On 02/22/11 08:00, Steven wrote: Hi! [...] Hmmm . I suppose you mean sorting the DB but not writing it to disk. Are you sure this is feasible ? I'm not overly familiar with DB structure and searches, but it sounds dangerous to me considering Scid's complexity. And at least part of Scid's stability comes from it's immediate write-to-disk policy imho. Resorting the DB just to get the games list sorted is actually not a good idea. Two point immediately come to my mind: - it breaks bookmarks. (As far as I can see they rely on the game number + the path to the database. Not perfect as they are broken once you move the base as well, but they are a very handy feature and at least I don't move around bases to often.) - you loose the tree cache. Given the fact that it takes about an hour to calculate and write the tree cache for my ref base it would be very ugly if it gets lost by some clicking at the wrong place. (Yes, I add some more lines to the cache than the Scid default, I index my openings a bit deeper and with more variations.) cu Alexander -- Free Software Download: Index, Search Analyze Logs and other IT data in Real-Time with Splunk. Collect, index and harness all the fast moving IT data generated by your applications, servers and devices whether physical, virtual or in the cloud. Deliver compliance at lower cost and gain new business insights. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-dev2dev ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Sorting by variations patch
On 02/22/11 16:03, Fulvio wrote: Hi! I like to see the most interesting ( == commented) games to replay at the top of the gamelist window when the tree filter is enabled. I cannot sort the columns, but now I can sort the database. This comes in handy. I know that everyone loves his own code, but doesn't this maybe suggest that you are on the wrong path? I still don't understand why you prefer the game list over the best games: we can easily add the features that you miss to the new best games widget (BTW, had you tried it and noticed that 'most interesting' games come first?) I admit to agree with Fulvio for the use case mentioned. To just get the interesting games in a given position on top of the list, IMHO the best games is the way to go. I also very much like Fulvios earlier suggestion to improve Scids ability to detect the most relevant games of this list for this very use case. Probably, only using average elo of the opponents is not the best way and more criteria might be considered. E.g. the mentioned fact that a game is commented and annotated, or that a given game is flagged might well make up for some average elo points. However, we also recently had the request for a sorting function of the games list as such and this might come in handy in some situations, indeed. So, Gerd if you have some time to work on this I think it is valuable. And if one criterion to sort would be annotated games, well. Why not. BTW: I think you could already achieve what you have in mind by setting the filter for Annotated games in the header search (one of the last patches you sent me and which is included in 4.3) and then just call best games. cu Alexander -- Free Software Download: Index, Search Analyze Logs and other IT data in Real-Time with Splunk. Collect, index and harness all the fast moving IT data generated by your applications, servers and devices whether physical, virtual or in the cloud. Deliver compliance at lower cost and gain new business insights. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-dev2dev ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Setting for engines on Mac?
On 02/12/11 11:19, Joost 't Hart wrote: Hi! On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 1:45 AM, lo suslos...@hotmail.com wrote: Thank you both for the information and advice. Which engines would you advise me to add to SCID? In Linux Mint I'm using Stockfish 1.8, because 1.91 makes my (not very powerful) system unusable, eating all the resources. I haven't tried the more recent versions. I noticed the same thing over time/version. Hence, do not blame your machine :-) As stated, I will look into this. Suspicion is partly that SF is not very strict in following UCI specificiations, as I had to implement a few nasty workarounds in Scid's analysis module. There is actually one issue I noticed in recent stockfish versions, but this depends a bit on how you compile it, so I'm not sure if it really relates to a specific version or if it is a bug at all. (Do you use the supplied binaries or do you build yourself? Probably they have changed the way how they build them.) However, unless you nice the engine it will surely use 100% of your CPU to do calculations. This is normal for a chess engine (actually for any program that does calculations; I always used my fortran codes instead of a CPU burner if we thought a CPU had an issue and wanted to test this). So nothing wrong here and if you use your CPU it gets hot and your fans start up. Works as designed. However, if I compile Stockfish using make ARCH=x86-64-modern (the issue is the -modern) I tell stockfish that it may use all available CPUs in the system. In the case of my notebook this will result in 2 real and 2 virtual cores to go up to maximum speed and 100% usage. Of course this invokes the cooling system. If I leave out the -modern stockfish will use only one core at 100%. Surely, you'll notice less fan activity in this case as the CPU stays relatively cool here. BTW: you could of course limit the CPU frequency allowed. Don't know how to do this on the Mac but on Linux you could use another power management govenor (e.g. powersave instead of ondemand) or limit the maximum frequency. This will limit the abilities of your chess engine as well, of course. But it also avoids the heat issue. cu Alexander -- Free Software Download: Index, Search Analyze Logs and other IT data in Real-Time with Splunk. Collect, index and harness all the fast moving IT data generated by your applications, servers and devices whether physical, virtual or in the cloud. Deliver compliance at lower cost and gain new business insights. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-dev2dev ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Next release
On 02/24/11 20:58, Robert Wesley wrote: Hi! When will the next SCID update be released? 4.3 is just up for some days. http://scid.sourceforge.net/download.html Or do you refer to 4.4? This is indeed a bit early to say. cu Alexander -- Free Software Download: Index, Search Analyze Logs and other IT data in Real-Time with Splunk. Collect, index and harness all the fast moving IT data generated by your applications, servers and devices whether physical, virtual or in the cloud. Deliver compliance at lower cost and gain new business insights. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-dev2dev ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Download
On 02/14/11 12:03, Francesco Bianco wrote: Hi! the sf project homepage (http://sourceforge.net/projects/scid/) report the download of FIDE foto related to an event did it's ok? i think best promote win32 edition! Should be fixed now but will point you to your version depending on the platform. cu Alexander -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Support for Chess960 or Fischer Random
On 02/17/11 21:36, Mario Lacunza wrote: Hi! Ok I understand that, the main important difference is the castle and the starting position... Any plan to support this option? If we get someone doing it decently, I see absolutely no reason not to incorporate it into Scid. cu Alexander -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Scid 4.3 on OS X
On 02/15/11 09:26, Fulvio wrote: Hi! That's a problem with the new Cocoa based Tk that ships with 10.6 and docked windows mode. I build the regular Tcl and Carbon based Tk 8.5.9 from source and use those to build Scid, there is no problem with that. If the problem in ::tree::resfresh is wm stackorder it can be safely removed. Can you try if this works? I fear we have wm stackorder calls at various paces, we will need a replacement for all of them. This is actually something to think about next. cu Alexander -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Scid 4.3
On 02/14/11 20:13, Joost 't Hart wrote: Hi! Could you next time release source tarball without CVS internal files? For instance, the following command from install section of the Makefile cp -r ./html/* $(DESTDIR)$(SHAREDIR)/html/ copy also CVS directories what is a bit confusing. Consider this a bug... Alexander, can you repair this? In progress (21% and counting) cu Alexander -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] lang/greek.tcl missing in CVS
On 02/12/11 19:32, Adrian Petrescu wrote: Hi! I just noticed that for the last little while, a fresh CVS checkout of the Scid source fails compilation with: Sorry, I missed a cvs add. It was just done right before cvs went down. Now it's there. cu Alexander -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Header search anomoly
On 02/13/11 10:43, f...@libero.it wrote: Hi! It's strange, but seems to be a wanted feature. Search is performed by the function strAlphaContains in misc.cpp that ignores spaces. It seems so. I can actually imagine some cases where you're probably lost otherwise. Take e.g. our friends from Scotland. McMiller vs Mc Miller? Similar issues might arise other (especially non-english) languages. Therefore, I'm actually not sure if it is a feature, indeed. Other opinions here? cu Alexander -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] CVS not updated
On 02/13/11 10:46, f...@libero.it wrote: Hi! Finally sourceforge cvs is back online, but probably they restored an old backup version. For example many wav files differs from my last checkout. Nope. For the wavs one of our users reworked them to clean them up a bit, so I actually added a bunch there yestereve. This would be ok, therefore. cu Alexander -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] CVS not updated
On 02/13/11 15:20, Joost 't Hart wrote: Hi! For example many wav files differs from my last checkout. Apparently you have already done a fresh checkout and run a diff on some existing workspace? Can you produce a complete and specific list of deltas? Please note also that I added pending stuff at my end yestereve. That's accounting for the missing greek.tcl I missed to cvs add, now it's there. I think stuff is all right. cu Alexander -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
[Scid-users] Webpages
Hi! Someone out there who'd volunteer in reworking Scids webpages? Your profile: - You know Scid - You have some spare time - You want to help the project to continue - Ideally, you like to create webpages Salery: - Honour Current stuff is done in text/html using high level tools like vi. Depending on your skills and wishes other things might be possible. For details please contact me in pm. cu Alexander -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
[Scid-users] Scid 4.3
Hi! Those of you who check out cvs regularly may have noticed already that I moved up all files to a unique revision. Those of you who don't compile from cvs might like to point their browser to our download page to fetch either the windows binaries or the Unix tarball of 4.3. The Mac-build is in progress and will be available shortly. I have to thank all those who contributed to this major efford and made this release possible. Please note also that our project will undergo some changes in the very near future. First of all I like to welcome Joost t' Hart offically to the Club. He will take over most of the responsibilities for merging backend stuff, as he did already in preparation for this release. Also you may have noticed that Israel Caucha takes care, that everything runs smoothly on the fruits. I want to add that further support is much welcome and we definitely intend to get more people on board. For this we also plan to move our code repository from cvs to a new system. We're currently discussing options. Some patience here please, this involves a bit of work and consideration. Additionally, I want to encourage everyone to take an active part in the discussions going on here on the list. I tend to get a bunch netmails, but I may encourage all to use the list. Lets discuss things here in public to get the most out of what we have. And also consider that the sentence: I do not like ... does not imply that things will not be done that way. It just expresses some concerns and is most often followed by: did you consider this and that and here and there. ;) Please also continue to report bugs and issues here. All those involved in the project will try to solve them. Just keep in mind that everyone of us has to earn their livings with completley different things. Scid is a spare time project. Now to the ChangeLog. It is quite longish this time, so here's everything without the fixes. Hope you enjoy. - Mark the Repertoir Editor deprecated, guide users to Masks - Improvements * documentation for opening trainer (thanks to Dale Hards) * Some of the programs icons based on GNOME Stock Icons in case png-support is available * Refresh icons for Database switcher (Thanks to Peter Wong and Steven) * Some defaults of Scids empty config * Gamelist: show delete-flag to the very left of the list by default * Taller information field (Thanks ot Milan Zamazal and Gerd Lorscheid) * Replace some buttons in help by proper img tags * Bring Best games / tree graph to front if they exist and the button is pressed again * Toggle autoplay mode was mapped to Ctrl-z instead of Ctrl-Z so it confliced with undo * Speed improvement for game copy operation * New checking option for games consistency * Improve proportions of USCF piece set * HTML export - Move nags rendered in same font as the move - Diagram immediately follows the move (order of diagram and comments are swapped), which is a more common scenario - Indentation of variations enhanced by putting them in indented div sections - Current move hightlighting, board and diagram colors follow css style definition - Cursor key navigation works in IE - Cursor left key navigation works the same way backwards as right works its way forwards, i.e. skipping variations - Dotted move numbers for black moves in a main line are also applied following a diagram and a variation. * Annotation/analysis - Added engine thinking time to annotator string - Stop engine at end of annotation - UCI engine: Added notion of length of mating line to cp score (shorter is better) - Added annotation at end of variations - Added depth to variation scores - Added option to score all moves (also those which are not annotated) - Removed option to annotate only not-best-moves, as it is no longer usefull now all-moves does no longer produce lines starting with the played move - Increased maximum engine thinking time to 999 [sec] - Removed the blunder signature in the annotation (as we cannot tell how sharp the threshold is) - Added variation times in multi-pv mode - If game just follows book till some book end, last book move does not need analysis. - Blunder-check annotation spots faster mates, regardless of threshold. - Annotation adds - in all modes - a '?!' nag if the main move is significantly (informant value) stronger than the best move the engine expected. - Finish game now allows for a shootout between two UCI engines if two engines are opened. * PGN import always opened in Scids bin folder, now use last dir instead and store it. * Mask files folder location gets stored and reused - New features: * Correspondence Chess: - Allow observation of games on ICCF webchess - Add connector file support to configure game relay from the internet - Make
Re: [Scid-users] SCID window maximization?
On 02/06/11 20:23, CCT TD - Peter Skinner wrote: Hi! Yes. All windows are docked and the main window is maximized as you would any other. Even after saving the layout, saving the settings manually, and then allowing them to be saved upon exit, it still opens non-maximized. I fear it is a limitation on Windows. At least here on Linux I can scale and move the main window in docked mode and it is always restored to the very location and size after I reopen Scid. cu Alexander -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Preferred reports sequential numbers
On 02/10/11 10:59, Marco Saba wrote:
Hi!
I would like to have a command (or the loop) that
link together 700 pdf files automatically.
Probably, some shell loop? I think the simplest prototype (using
bash-syntax) would be:
$ for i in *.pdf; do echo \includepdf{$i} out.tex ; done
Then adding the usual tex header and footer to the resulting out.tex.
You might improve on this to your liking, e.g. with the optional
arguments in [] to includepdf.
I don't understand how to install pdfpages: on Texworks?
Just get it from TeXLive packages which is part of Ubuntu. If you have
no clue at all selecting the package texlive will give you the whole
thing. More precisely it should be in texlive-latex-recommended.
You may use synaptics (or your preferred package manager for this).
Does this help?
cu
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Re: [Scid-users] Sourceforge down?
On 02/08/11 19:58, Michael G Thomas wrote: Hi! Concerning the move of the repository to some other service, I'm not conviced that this solves the problem. Acutally, sf has be very reliable till now, and tracking down root exploits is a time consuming issue. I don't know if any other service would have been up again that much faster. (At least not at our budget. ;) Does nobody here appreciate the power of distributed source control ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLBrBBImJt4 I referred to leaving our repository @sourceforge. This does not necessarily imply that it will be cvs till the end of all times. Still, before any changes are considered here at all, we need to be back online. And please, if I may: I do not have the time to watch endless videos of several hours. Please make your statements in text/plain. cu Alexander -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Preferred reports sequential numbers
On 02/07/11 19:54, Marco Saba wrote:
Thank you. The second solution would be easier for me.
How to?
I had to check it up in office. PDFPages is your friend. :
\usepackage{pdfpages}
You might want to read up it's docs concerning functionality. It is a
quite powerful package. cf.
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/pdfpages/pdfpages.pdf
Now, with this package you gain a new command: \includepdf. A sample
usage would be like this:
\includepdf[addtotoc={1,section,1,{Title for the
TOC},src/pdf/file.pdf}]{src/pdf/file.pdf}
You'd need such a line for each of your PDF files. If you don't care
about TOC and TOC headings you might easily generate this by some loop
on the shell.
Does this help?
cu
Alexander
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Re: [Scid-users] Sourceforge down?
On 02/08/11 02:32, Joost 't Hart wrote: Hi! Ahum, It's been a while now, and I must admit I am beginning to get this funny feeling of serious irritation. Indeed. By way of recapping the original question: What the whack is going on. From the blog: -- We appreciate your patience. All SourceForge services are operational at this time with the exception of ViewVC and CVS. Interactive shell service was restored today and we expect ViewVC to return today (Monday), barring complications. We intend to have CVS service online by the end of the week. Please note that, aside from CVS, our SCM platforms (Subversion, Git, Hg, Bazaar) have remained online. If you¿re encountering issues with these platforms, please confirm that you have reset your password. If problems persist, please contact our support team (sfnet_...@geek.net). CVS service restore has been time-consuming due to the design of that service. CVS data is housed on direct-attached storage on a small pool of servers. Data restore from backups is in-progress and reload of machines is in-progress as of today (Monday). We intend to have CVS service online by the end of the week. We have concluded our review of SCM data for the SourceForge Beta SCMs and traditional SCM offering (SVN, Git, Hg, Bzr; excepting CVS, whose data is being restored) and have found no indicator of data tampering. We will be providing further data to projects whose repositories were modified in the attack window (we believe legitimately by their project team) as that they may conduct further validation using the repository access provided through interactive shell service. Finally, with the rollout of interactive shell service today, we are completing preparations to start the mass rollout of our new Project Web service offering tomorrow (Tuesday). This work will commence with the migration of projects in the A-G unixname range in a Tuesday/Wednesday timeframe. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact our support team at sfnet_...@geek.net Thank you, The SourceForge Team -- So I think we'll make it till the end of the week. Hopefully. Concerning the move of the repository to some other service, I'm not conviced that this solves the problem. Acutally, sf has be very reliable till now, and tracking down root exploits is a time consuming issue. I don't know if any other service would have been up again that much faster. (At least not at our budget. ;) Call me conservative, but till now sf worked very well all the time, so I do not see why to switch to another hosting service. cu Alexander -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Where the games saved in clipboard go?
On 02/07/11 00:59, Steve Steinitz wrote: Hi! No need for the Clipbase to get involved here. This would complicate things unecessarily. (Though it works, you can import to the clipbase and then copy to your DB.) I may have encountered a bug in the Mac version where if I didn't go through the Clipbase first, the game disappeared from the target database when I double-clicked it. Unless I was hallucinating, I'll submit a more formal report later. Lets not get distracted by it. Oh :( double click on the _database_ instead of launching Scid. Your Finder should know how to fire up Scid with the DB in question. Yes, that works fine on the Mac. Ah, well on Mac you could also Drag Drop to the Scid window. (This really works only on the mac as far as I know.) ...fire up Scid by double clicking the PGN from your iPhone, you might want to open MyGames in paralel ... and just drag your PGN database onto MyGames database. This will also do the import mentioned above as well. ...that is the way I'd like to work. However, while double-clicking does open the PGN in Scid, Right, but read only. You can not (and must not) add anything there which is meant to be permantent. once I open the Scid MyGames database the PGN seems to disappear from Scid. No. Please open Database Switcher (Ctrl-D; Ctrl could be Command on the Mac, I'm not sure) You should have two bases n parallel in two different slots. Scids mainboard can, however, only display one game. At any rate, I can't find it. (Or, do you mean drag the PGN from the desktop? - but that doesn't seem to work, anyway.) Should open the PGN in scid on the Mac (not anywhere else, I fear) Could my layout be preventing that workflow from working? - hiding the PGN? Getting to the bottom of this may be my key issue. Check out database switcher. Also available from the Windows menu or Ctrl-D. It should show you two slots, you can switch between them with the mouse. Also note that the clipbase feels like a Scid database but it is only temporarly in memory and never gets stored to the disk. Yes, I suspect many new users, like me, discover that the hard way. Its a powerful feature, but of course as with all powerful featrues... cu Alexander -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Use-case: entering games played by kids
On 02/07/11 00:19, Marcin Kasperski wrote: Hi! You can't. Scid enforces the laws of chess here and does not accept invalid moves. In your case this is actually a drawback, in most others it is definitely an advantage. Well, one need not exclude the other. Enforcing laws normally but having some force invalid move option/button/whatever could be of noticeable help. Leaving apart chess, it could also make it possible to use scid as a pad for entering chess variant games. I see your point. I just wanted to tell, that currently scid enforces the laws and you're not able to enter invalid moves. I fear the only work around is the same as you'd use for C960 games: store the first part of your game till the invalid castling, then create a new game with the starting position of the castled king. If you don't reorder your base you could switch to the continuation Game / Load Next game (Ctrl-down). Not elegant, I agree. Yeah, I know this workaround, but here it is even worse than in chess960 where the invalid castle lasts just one move. If wrong position lasts for 5-10 oves, then I both need to reconstruct it in mind without any help from scid, and loose the ability to replay it and show what was going on. Right. If it lasts for several moves you're lost. I'd only have a work around here as well. You can copy the notation as far as you got it to the clipboard (system clipboard not the clipbase). File / Copy game to clipboard from PGN window or, if you use cvs version Ctrl-C, which adds to clipbase and the current game to the clipboard. Then you can put it into some editor buffer (I guess you've emacs opened all the time anyway), change the move in question there and use Tools / Import one PGN game to get it back into your base. Not elegant, but well, better than redoing everything. I am not sure whether it is really less work than reclicking a variation ;-) Depends what your correction is. I fear this is not easily possible. (...) I fear the same as for a). Both might involve a bunch of technicalities in the backend. I'm not sure but I'd not expect this behaviour to be fixed to your use cases especially in the short term. Well, I just make a suggestion for some future consideration. I see that. But till now all requests for C960 were denied as it seems to be pretty difficult to tell Scid the extension of the castling rule, so I fear allowing for entirely invalid moves is even more complex. We'd need a volunteer here. From what I saw, the problems I faced (entering and preserving invalid games and reconstructing game from incomplete/partially wrong score) are fairly popular, especially when paper scores and amateur level competitions are considered. So a tool which would offer reasonable help here could get some new points among people, khem, khem. Of course I can't expect any immediate actions, just wanted to let you consider those scenarios. I see the scenario and even your suggestion pointed out above is almost immediate. But I think we're really hitting some wall here unless we can find someone willing to dive in these uncharted backwaters of Scids source. Do you have any free capacities? I think it can (has to) be done in the C++ backend, and I fear pretty deep down there. cu Alexander -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Preferred reports sequential numbers
On 02/07/11 17:00, Marco Saba wrote:
Hi!
I would like to have an option that when I choose to
mass print preferred opening reports they would be
numbered sequentially.
You refer to page numbers?
Instead, each DVI (PDF) file has his own numbering.
So I have to renumber each page of subsequent report manually.
Imagine that: I want to have a single pdf doc of my encyclopedia of gambits
http://studimonetari.org/edg/latex/indexpdf.html
which is about 700 preferred opening reports.
Total pages are in the 3,000 or something
Can you help me somehow?
Or, there is a pdf utility where you join those 700
pdf and have those sequentially numbered?
Am I asking too much?
If it's page numbering you could of course strip the headers of the TeX
sources and then build some master file just using \include{}
directives. If you've the PDF already, there's indeed a pdf package
available that allows you to include multipage PDFs like you'd do it
with an image PDF and you end up with a large file. I can lookup the
syntax, but I actually did this for a book of the size you mentioned and
it worked like a charme.
cu
Alexander
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Re: [Scid-users] Where the games saved in clipboard go?
On 02/05/11 21:37, Esteban Cervetto wrote: Hi! SCID don t ask me where the games are saved when I init a game with Ctrl+x and I stay in the clipboard. They are saved in the clip base (not to be confused with the clip board). If you switch to a regular base, they are created there. I accidentally close SCID. Can i recover it? No. As for Steves suggestion: we could dump out the last game of the clipbase to some file, but I fear it would not solve your problem at hand. If we dump out the last game you edited you loose all those you worked on before as it just gets overwritten. If we always append if you hit save, we'd accumulate quite a bunch of duplicates there. If we dump out the whole clipbase this might actually be quite a bunch of games depending on your usage of the clipbase so it would at least be slow. It would then acutally be more suitable to create a temporary database instead and use this as clipboard. However, this would drop the huge performance gain you get for certain operations if you do it in memory, ie. the current clipbase mode. (Dumping to PGN doesn't seem the right format, IMHO, as it looses additional information like flags and so on you might have added and it might become quite big and inefficient as well.) I saved my game, but when I close Scid, I lost the game, or I dont know whre the game is located The clip base is not saved when you quit scid, indeed. Thats the problem! so, Why Can I need save a game in the clip base? If you work on a game nothing gets stored to whatever database (memory or disk) unless you explicitly store the game (Game / Save or Save Replace). The important thing to learn here is that you never save the database but always work on a per game level _within_ a database. For an analogy you can think of a database as a folder on your file system and of a game as a file in that folder. Having understood that very important point it is clear why you want to store a game in the clipbase: otherwise all your changes would not go into that very game. Working in the clipbase e.g. would make sense if you want to add a given game to several databases in succession (though I'd work the other way round here as well). Or if you really just want to try out some things that should get lost. In my point of view, It is easier and safer that, when the user tries to save a game from the clipbase, Scid should ask for the database to save it. Actually, you should think the other way round: if I want to work on a game and store it permanently, first decide which database it should go to, open that database and add the game there in the first place. Like in the anology above, first open the folder, then create the document. Probably, for your usecase, instead of opening Scid it would probably be better to just open the database by a double click in whatever filer you use? Then you're right in the database to work on and your games get stored into the correct place. This is what I usually call document centred. This also avoids this nasty File/Open stuff and navigation through a file tree with less suitable tools then a decent filer. But it's another workflow, probably one one has to get used to first. I admit, that given the fact that the clipbase in Scid is actually equipped with all functions of a database one might be lead to work the other way round. Especially, if one uses some program centred workflow instead of a document centred one. Still, the simple fact that the clipbase offers all functionalities like a real database gives you a very powerful tool for complex searches and selection, copypaste functions and so on. So it doesn't seem wise to restrict this. As for the suggestion to ask the user you have unsaved games in the clipboard: first I think it is not entirely trivial to do on a technical level though it could be done. But how should it work if you actually add 5 games that should go to different databases? Asking for all games in sequence isn't probably to wise as you might well have several hundreds of games in your clipbase in many other circumstances. Just as a random example I have every day: the CC functions of Scid work very heavily with the clipbase as temporal storage. So usually at the end of a session I tend to have about 20 or more unsaved games in the clipbase. However, they're all stored as they get synced into the CC games base. Or if I do some selections to study a given position I usually select games from several sources pack them up in the clipbase to export them to some PGN file for Droidfish. In all those cases asking about storing the clipbase would be a bit anoying. I admit that I don't like the handling of ChessBase here as reported by Gerd, ie. having only references to some real databases in the clipbase would introduce quite some issues that break a lot of functionality or drop some niceties the current approach has. cu Alexander --
Re: [Scid-users] Where the games saved in clipboard go?
On 02/05/11 23:03, Steve Steinitz wrote: Hi! I created a database for my games (it doesn't get opened automatically). I typically open a game (created on my iPhone by tChess) by double clicking it (to open Scid on my Mac), add engine annotation to it and examine the wonderful Score Graph. If you create the game on your iPhone, you'll get it as PGN. If you open it in Scid this file is opend read only. Currently you can not directly save to a PGN file. (You actually don't want to in most occasions either. Scids native si4 is much more efficient.) At that point I find myself bewildered about the best way to save the annotated game to my database. I have indeed lost my work more than once. None of the save menu items seem like what I want. They are in fact, but if I get it correctly you try to use them on the wrong database. In the end, I have a vague recollection of copying to(?)/from(?) the clipbase and/or the clipboard, opening my database, merging(?), then saving with overwrite (or similar). No need for the Clipbase to get involved here. This would complicate things unecessarily. (Though it works, you can import to the clipbase and then copy to your DB.) Followed by quitting from Scid, relaunching it, opening my database and breathing a sigh of relief when I see my annotated game. (I'll make better notes in future.) Open the database of your games (say MyGames), then just use Tools / Import File of PGN games. This will import your game from the iPhone right into your database and store them there. After that, just run your analysis on those games which now live in your database. Storing your work now works on the database things go to the disk. You may get the database opened automatically if you just double click on the _database_ instead of launching Scid. Your Finder should know how to fire up Scid with the DB in question. If you use the same bases all the time, you can create a shortcut / launcher (I don't know how it's called in MacSpeak) of the database in your panel or on the desktop for easy access. Alternatively, if you prefer to work through your file system with the file open dialogue your you fire up Scid by double clicking the PGN from your iPhone, you might want to open MyGames in paralel (the File menu offers a list of recently opened DBs), and then use the DB switcher window (Ctrl-D) and just drag your PGN database onto MyGames database. This will also do the import mentioned above as well. In all cases: key is to import your PGN from the iPhone to a Scid database _before_ doing anything. Also note that the clipbase feels like a Scid database but it is only temporarly in memory and never gets stored to the disk. While I realize that there is likely a well-trodden Scid workflow, second-nature to experienced Scid users, for undertakings like mine, I thought it might be helpful to relate an inexperienced user's first impressions. Also, I understand that Scid is not a native Mac program and will always have its own way of doing things, which is fine. This is acutally not the issue here. Its just the behaviour of Scid towards PGN (open them read only) and the Clipbase (temporary db without storage). I think both concepts are quite wise, but probably do not work as expeced in the first place. HTH :) cu Alexander -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Use-case: entering games played by kids
On 02/06/11 00:11, Marcin Kasperski wrote: Hello Marcin! a) Opp of my son castled under check at move 7. My son missed this and they happily continued to play until a few moves later they spotted the check, so he just moved the king out of it. The game had some interesting twists afterwards and is worth preserving, but unfortunately scid does not allow me to enter this (invalid) castle so I have no idea how to enter it. You can't. Scid enforces the laws of chess here and does not accept invalid moves. In your case this is actually a drawback, in most others it is definitely an advantage. I fear the only work around is the same as you'd use for C960 games: store the first part of your game till the invalid castling, then create a new game with the starting position of the castled king. If you don't reorder your base you could switch to the continuation Game / Load Next game (Ctrl-down). Not elegant, I agree. b) My daugther played proper moves but forgot to write down a move here or there. One of those cases turned out to be particularly troblesome, as which exactly move her opp made turned out 20 moves later. I made some guess and continued entering other moves, then when it turned out clear that sth else happened, I had to go back, swap the move and ... reenter everything manually. In fact I id it for a five times, as only fifth version tourned out to be proper. I agree that this is a nasty thing indeed. :S I'd only have a work around here as well. You can copy the notation as far as you got it to the clipboard (system clipboard not the clipbase). File / Copy game to clipboard from PGN window or, if you use cvs version Ctrl-C, which adds to clipbase and the current game to the clipboard. Then you can put it into some editor buffer (I guess you've emacs opened all the time anyway), change the move in question there and use Tools / Import one PGN game to get it back into your base. Not elegant, but well, better than redoing everything. a) It would be nice if scid allowed entering invalid moves - both violations of chess rules (like aforementioned play with check active) and clearly bad moves (like Nf3-f5). Those could be marked as invalid, those could be signalled using red color and whatever you like, but it would be great if I could enter invalid move nevertheless. I fear this is not easily possible. b) It would be nice if I could change some move and keep further moves on top of it, at least as far as they are correct. For the missed move case I would just enter null move, continue, then after getting to the moment which clears that something had to move somewhere earlier, I would just go back, make proper modificatin and had proper game. I fear the same as for a). Both might involve a bunch of technicalities in the backend. I'm not sure but I'd not expect this behaviour to be fixed to your use cases especially in the short term. cu Alexander -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] SCID window maximization?
On 02/05/11 22:05, CCT TD - Peter Skinner wrote: Hi! When I open SCID the window does not maximize how I would like it. I maximize it, save settings, and still each time I open it, the window is not correct. Is there a way of fixing this? I'll check that. To make sure: you refer to docked mode on windows, right? cu Alexander -- The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these rules translate into the virtual world? http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Strange format in pgn window
On 01/31/11 23:30, Joost 't Hart wrote:
Hi!
10. h3 e6 {comment} ( 10... 0-0-0 )
With your patch, a blank line is inserted between the comment and the
variation (if you enable indent variations as well). The
modification was there to remove this blank line.
Yes. I may add that the fix back then can not really resolve all issues.
The main problem is (IMHO) that we can not typeset a table in Scids
limited html-like markup. Therefore, PGN window uses some fixed font
indenting to simulate one and you sometimes get an additional blank line
due to tcl/tk's text widget line break if the window is to slim.
A proper fix for the spurious blank is still to be found...
Using real tables would solve it. But I think this needs quite a bit of
work in Scids html markup stuff.
BTW: Joost, you've the patch from Gerd at hand = I'll not care about it :)
cu
Alexander
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Re: [Scid-users] Fics won't connect on AMD64 Fedora 14
On 01/29/11 23:30, Steven wrote:
Hi!
I get can't get peername: socket is not connected.
fconfigure $sockChan
returns
-blocking 1 -buffering full -buffersize 4096 -encoding utf-8
-eofchar {{} {}} -translation {auto crlf}
-sockname {***.**.65.4 pa***-**-65-4.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au 5471}
Note, there's no entry for -peername.
It's obviously a networking issue, but i'm not much of a guru.
I can not reproduce this. Running Scid on amd64 as well, it connects to
FICS as it should and everything seems to work fine here.
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Re: [Scid-users] Fwd: Re: try variation remove annotations
On 01/30/11 18:00, Joost 't Hart wrote: Hi! [...] True. My idea of trial mode is that you can - literally - try something out on the board without actually changing the game. A scratch pad mode. Agree. I do not understand why comments should be hidden. PLUS hitting ctrl/z in the pgn window (immediately after enabling trial mode) restores the comments without leaving trial mode. This is strange, isn't it? Why remove the comments in the first place... Ah. Now I get it. I can have a look what's going on here. Probably, I've some clues. Ctrl-Z behaviour could stem from the fact that it was added very recently, so the original trial mode didn't know about its possiblity at all. cu Alexander -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Best Games List/Games list + Filter interaction was: Potential data loss using trees
On 01/25/11 11:31, Fulvio wrote: Hi! Alexander Wagner wrote: In general we should discuss this point further. Probably, the games list should indeed learn some states: all, tree, header and a combination of those. What I tried to discuss with Gerd (but he seems to miss understand me here a bit) is how we make clear to the user what he actually gets where and why. So, IMHO some visual feedback is required. Probably we need a function in the backend that signifies which filters are active to achieve this. Hi Alex, i would try to explain my point of view. First of all an important thing: tree filter is a statement with no sense. I agree, I just used the term as we called it that way in the ongoing discussion. We know that in the code exist a treeFilter, but a user that open a Game List window and see a tree filter option will be baffled for sure. This is pretty precisely the usability issue that I mentioned. So if we go back to the old, perfectly clear, Game List window behavior: - Show always every game in the filter no one can misunderstand that. Now we want to add an option that temporarily restrics the current filter by the current board position and a simple checkbox as Gerd did is the best way in my opinion. Please notice too that the new option is a different thing from the Ctrl+Shift+B search current board that permanently change the filter. As far as I understood it we perfectly agree, and this sounds sensible. I have to read up your ongoing discussion, but I want to make a clear cut in current code so we can come up with 4.3 soon. So all this will go in a later version, as Gerd mentioned he didn't debug all details on his filtering stuff. P.S. I agree that Game List window and Tree Best games window should be unified, but there are some big technical difficulties I see that issue too. Again we agree :) P.S.2 I think that the all option is a bad idea too. User scenario: - open a big database - the Game List window show all the games, no way everyone will try to go game by game in a million games database Agree ;) - Search header for last year games - Still too many results: AND the filter with elo2500 games - Look at some games - reset the filter to make another search - visual feedback: in many places you get the Filter: number of games / total games Problems with the all option: - open a big database - the Game List window show all the games, no way everyone will try to go game by game in a million games database - Search header for last year games - Still too many results: AND the filter with elo2500 games - Look at some games - click on the all option and make another search My all was missleading. I agree with all your points. I'll also read up your ongoing discussion with Gerd later on, first taking care about releasing what we have reached now. I think you two are on a good track as far as I followed it. Go on, and keep your discussions going on the list. cu Alexander -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Sourceforge down?
On 01/28/11 09:22, Joost 't Hart wrote: Hi! Joost 't Hart wrote: Looks like they have stopped CVS. I hope so :-) http://sourceforge.net/apps/wordpress/sourceforge/2011/01/27/service-downtime/ Thanks for noticing this; that explains. Agrl. This will delay 4.3 till it is up again. cu Alexander -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Potential data loss using trees
On 01/23/11 00:46, Gerd Lorscheid wrote: Hi! 1. Switching databases does not remove unsaved games 2. When you call ctrl-x you can see in the switcher what is the current database. The harmful operation is sc_game load ..., which does remove an existing game and load a new one without warning. Thats how it is designed, yes. Actually, I think this behaviour is even required in certain cases. So it should never be called without previous check for unsaved changes. All the 20 calls in the tcl code today should be packaged in a method doing this check. You mean ::game::Load()? To your question whether database switching is necessary. In general no. But there are a couple of methods in the backend, which do not get the target database as argument and simply assume they should do their work on the current one. This sounds sensible. Especially, historically. It works fine now, but I have some discussion with Alexander who uses Scid in a different way and is no fan of these changes. I think the issues here are most likely related to the fact that there needs to be a way to ensure for the user to understand what she sees where and why. cu Alexander -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Best Games List/Games list + Filter interaction was: Potential data loss using trees
Hello Fulvio! Very interesting. I attach a screenshot and a patch. Just checked out your screenshot. I'm currently on travel so I do not had a chance to check your code. Anyway, Steven seems to have had a glance and you seem to be interested in some response on the function as such. Some comments: - I like the context menu for the tree. This works in the direction of actually making the best games list an instance of the real games list. (Probably worth a consideration, to come to only one control here.) - I like the ability to apply header filter to the tree or not even for the stats. This gives an easy access to repertoir browsing e.g. and IMHO blends very well with the masks feature. - IMHO all games should be grayed out if no db filter is active. This could signify the user what's going on. However, I do not see right now how to obtain this. The code is very rough and probably have many issues, but i would like to have your opinion on the tree behavior. 1) The tree window updates only the best games window and not the game list window In general we should discuss this point further. Probably, the games list should indeed learn some states: all, tree, header and a combination of those. What I tried to discuss with Gerd (but he seems to miss understand me here a bit) is how we make clear to the user what he actually gets where and why. So, IMHO some visual feedback is required. Probably we need a function in the backend that signifies which filters are active to achieve this. 2) A new checkbutton all games allow to show stats for all the games in the database or only for the filtered ones. This sounds a very good addition. I think that blending this with your improved game list window will produce the maximum flexibility; giving everyone the possibility to choose his preferred way of work. Indeed. For me your direction would deserve a go state. cu Alexander BTW: could you please adjust subjects and probably open a new post for new stuff? This makes it a lot easier for me to follow discussions, especially when I'm on the road. (Sometimes I've only a small Android at hand. Acutally, the reason for such a late reply to your interesting stuff...) TIA! -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Bug#609062: scid: feature suggestion: merge game moves from an imported PGN file
On 01/22/11 08:29, Ian Zimmerman wrote: Ian, Ian The site in question is chess.com , and very likely they _don't_ Ian offer xfcc yet, but if I learn that it is available in my version Ian of scid I'm OK with the (nag)* bugfix. :-) Alexander They have a bit a strange starting thread at Alexander http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/xfcc-support As you can see there I have started the nagging (mixed with a bit of self-serving generosity :-) Did you find a way for a work arround? In case no, we should discuss hte possibility of that in PM. (I admit that I do not want to register an account on every server out there myself.) cu Alexander -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Bug: Abs./Rel. Filter Graphs
On 01/22/11 11:50, Joost 't Hart wrote: Hi! I currently experience invalid command name invalid command name while executing $::utils::graph::_data($graph,canvas) delete -withtag g$graph (procedure ::utils::graph::redraw line 4) invoked from within ::utils::graph::redraw filter (command bound to event) when calling either absolute or relative filter graph. Anyone an idea what's / why this is happening? Can you describe your scenario (what is absolute/relative filter graph)? I have no idea how to reproduce or where to look. I just opened a database and choose Tools / Rel. filter graph or Tools / Abs. filter graph. It's a function I do not use myself, I admit. I was just about to fiddle out what it does in more details while I was about to update the docs. BTW: recent help file at least containes all menu entries again plus I hope all changes visible to the user since 4.0. cu Alexander -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] anyone has experience with dgtnix?
On 01/21/11 22:26, cruze...@infinito.it wrote: Hi! I have a DGT board with serial interface. I am definitely a linux fan and I would like to use my wonderful board with my favourite OS and programs, like SCID or eboard. Unfortunately so far I've found outdated docs only. In fact this board is the only reason for me to keep a Window$ partition on my PC's I tried to install the latest version of dgtnix in my ubuntu 10.10 box but I'm not sure everything is working fine. Furthermore, I cant' use the board with any chess programs. Has anyone any experience to share with DGT board and linux? Any link to recent docs? And, most important, what is the state-of-the-art of SCID with DGT? Seems my answer didn't make it to the list. For DGT boards the current way to go is via Input Engine. An implementation of the Input Engine for DGT using dgtnix as backend exists in a separate project of mine: http://dgtdrv.sf.net. Did you try this? Does it work out for you? cu Alexander -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Potential data loss using trees
On 01/20/2011 10:04 AM, Joost 't Hart wrote: Hi! Hmmm... Yes this fixes the reported issue, Ok.This is something I know how to reproduce and verify. If there is no chance of side impact (without air bags) I will do so and commit this. If not, we'd better keep things on the shelf until after 4.3, right? Being almost on the train, but I'll check it as well. Hope to report today or maybe tomorrow. As I've to travel this weekend we might come up with 4.3 not before next weekend so we should have some time to check Gerds patch out. but despite the comment, i'm not clear on why sc_game load [sc_filter first] is being called. Is it necessary to load the first filter game to directly generate an opening report ? Isn't otherwise the tree be decoupled from the gameslist of the base in question? I think it is(was?) cu Alexander -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
[Scid-users] Bug: Abs./Rel. Filter Graphs
Hi! I currently experience invalid command name invalid command name while executing $::utils::graph::_data($graph,canvas) delete -withtag g$graph (procedure ::utils::graph::redraw line 4) invoked from within ::utils::graph::redraw filter (command bound to event) when calling either absolute or relative filter graph. Anyone an idea what's / why this is happening? cu Alexander -- Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Database Switcher in Gamelist window ?
On 01/19/2011 04:20 AM, Chris Lott wrote: Hi! I'm curious about the use (or not) of the game list window. I use it all the time. I'm trying to figure out how one could use Scid much without using the game list window much. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but wondering if I am missing something significant about how to use Scid. Which is entirely possible! Thus: It depends on your usage. If you're scrolling though games eg. after header search and so on you'd use the games list. Usually, however, I come from the tree window and use the Best games. It's also a sort of games list. You can access it by the rightmost icon in tree window. cu Alexander -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Database Switcher in Gamelist window ?
On 01/19/2011 06:54 PM, Joost 't Hart wrote: Hi! I'm curious about the use (or not) of the game list window. I use it all the time. I'm trying to figure out how one could use Scid much without using the game list window much. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but wondering if I am missing something significant about how to use Scid. Which is entirely possible! Thus: It depends on your usage. If you're scrolling though games eg. after header search and so on you'd use the games list. Usually, however, I come from the tree window and use the Best games. It's also a sort of games list. You can access it by the rightmost icon in tree window. I seem to remember to have read that the best games window /is/ filtered by the user filter (or whatever name to attach the a.o.-header-search). Would be great, imho, but for me that does not work. Right, this is what Gerd implemented. If you open a tree, and best games, issue a header search nothing happens? (The ordering does not matter here.) cu Alexander -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Database Switcher in Gamelist window ?
On 01/19/2011 04:01 AM, Benoit St-Pierre wrote: Benoit, [...] I know that under Scid, everything works around windows. I am simply asking that we access to the window's functionality by way of the list of menus (Scid, File, Game, Windows, etc.). The two are not incompatible. Could you just rework the main windows menu tree to a structure you think is better suited? Just reorder to your liking add what you feel is missing (ideally with a pointer where it is right now). If you change wording please add the current names so it is easy to identify. Then we could discuss this more precisely. [...] BTW: while I'm at it: any news from the tutorial front? [...] The first one is simply that Scid is not for the casual user and the advanced user does not need tutorials, but an active mailing list. That's sad news. I counted on you here. cu Alexander -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Database Switcher in Gamelist window ?
On 01/19/2011 08:24 PM, Benoit St-Pierre wrote: That's sad news. I counted on you here [tutorial]. Yes, I counted on me too :-( AFAIK a wiki is possible @ sourceforge, if a Wiki would be the way to go. But we need someone who fills in a lot before people take active part in it. Could you just rework the main windows menu tree to a structure you think is better suited? I'll see what I can do. Actually, it's not unrelated to the tutorial and the contextual menus :-) I don't think it is good to document something already before it is even agreed upon, not to speak of implemented. Probably you should start at this end to save some work. cu Alexander -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Database Switcher in Gamelist window ?
On 01/17/2011 07:05 PM, Benoit St-Pierre wrote: Hi! Finally, maybe a repetition: scid is no editor or no webbrowser, it is a database application. Semantics do not help here: GUI are becoming standardized. I'm not talking about semantics. Here is one among many examples of what I am talking about: http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/devonthink/ This is a reference manager. Usual databases for such an app are 1000 entries. I keept such stuff for a very long time in a bibtex file using vi. And I still edit such files with vi today. With Scid we talk about several orders of magnitude larger bases with much larger records. If I take your example seriously you'd have to take databases like Web of Science for comparison (30*10^6 records but the records are much much slimmer than a usual Scid record.) Yes, there is a way to switch between databases. Sure. If we implement your suggestion, we would drop all context menues in db switcher, dd copy and so on. Then we could move this to a menu. But this would loose quite some functionality, not? It is IMHO a bad trade. What I am suggesting should be obvious enough. Sure it is. But I think not thought through to the end. I may remind you that you especially prised Scids DD copy in your tutorial some time ago, and if I remember correctly wanted to improve context menues in the DB switcher as well. Moveing them into a menu does not allow to have a context menu for a menu entry. (BTW: while I'm at it: any news from the tutorial front?) I am sure to be able to provide many more examples of database applications. There is a difference between a reference manager handling some 1000 records and a database operating on several million records. 10^3 to 10^6 to be precisely. A factor of 10^3, so to say. This is a lot. Scids menues are quite long already If you don't want to add a menu, it's possible to add these to Windows, to File, even to Game, which should be called Database anyway. I refered to all those menus being already quite long. At some point you'll be on happy menu item hunting. There's a saying in my profession: Users don't like to search, they like to find. dd copy like Scids would not make any sens in an editor ;) Unless I am mistaken, Scid's only way to copy games into another db is by drag and drop. Just another cause not to drop it, right? ;) IMHO, this is a weakness. Scid has so many weaknesses that I sometimes wonder why we have any user at all ;) cu Alexander -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Database Switcher in Gamelist window ?
On 01/18/2011 04:11 AM, Benoit St-Pierre wrote: Hi! I want to switch between databases with one mouse-click. This may be no standard, but sorry I cannot live without it. I too like to switch with the Database Switcher. So what is your point then? I am not suggesting that we remove the Switcher and build it into the menu. Eh??? In contemporary GUI, these kinds of switchers are in a menu. (Not that I care about contemporary GUIs to much, some even removed menus for some thing called ribbon.) I am merely saying that merging games between databases should be accessible via the menu. As is switching between databases: File/Switch to Database [1-9]. So we get another 5 enties in the File menu that do nothing beyond switching to another base. (Scid can only handle up to 5 bases btw.) Given your suggestion to stick to standards we would however add a Windows menu for this. It has no other use in Scids working environment and it doesn't translate to the concept of Scid, as unfortunately, Scid does not use the same concept of windows as you have in many other apps. You just don't open another window like in your editor. (At some point you really have to understand this major difference, it is important.) So we have to name it something differently. Ups, we lost the standard. What did we win here? Besides, windows is actually a menu with an entirely different functionality in Scid. So we rewrite that concept and menu as well, but it opens windows. Hm, we'd have to reinvent a name for window. Probably dialogues? Then we improve the games list to allow for multiple selections and add copy paste functionality there. Maybe on the go we copy some 10.000 games via system clipboard as this is the standard way to do it in ... Notepad. IMHO we do not win anything in this way. More generaly, every action possible in Scid should be accessible in the menu. Actually, I think it is. It just depends on where this menu is sensible and where not. The most sensible ones are smart context menus. I vaguely recall that in Nicbase, it was possible to filter and export at the same time. It would be more transparent to the user to add copy all games to base X in games list. Perhaps the Search menu could be expanded to include actions like that. What search do you want, we have several: Board / Header / Material / Pattern? Doesn't make sense to add it to the search dialouges(!) here. If then probably better to the games list. I want to see how many games are filtered in a database without any click. One gets information by looking at windows or by outputing reports. How many games there is in a filter is obtained by looking at the Gamelist window. Nope. I usually look at the db switcher. But I'm old fashioned. The Gamelist window is very important, so important it's always there in databases. I disagree here, I really have it open in very rare cases. Needs to much space. Since right-click opens up a contextual menu, it always depend upon context. So we need is to attach relevant actions to the proper contexts. What are the relevant actions in the Gamelist window? [Seems something got lost here.] I want to drag and drop databases to copy games instead of ... hmm ... what is here the standard? Depends on the verb: exporting, porting, merging, etc. It would be nice to export a complete filter into another Scid database. In the Tools menu, we already have the Export/All filter games. When you're in your Gamelist Window, you can right-click and already merge at least one game in another database. NO! You merge it into the game displayed on the main board. You DO NOT merge games into a database, but into a game itself. It is vitally important to understand some concepts working with Scid. I feel if you can understand chess, however, things in Scid are quite simple. So it's not impossible to imagine that we right-click to merge all the games in a filter into another database. Merge would definitely be the wrong word here. At some silent minute you should really start to comprehend the difference between a record based applications (commonly called database) like Scid and a file based application like your text editor. They HAVE to behave differently. Still this suggestion sounds sensible if named properly. However, I believe dd in the DB switcher is much simpler than RMB-Copy to base- Popup to select base. Plus you'd have to handle the case that the base in question is not opened, followed by an open dialogue to open it, but if the're already 5 bases open you can't so you tell the user here sorry. (Perhaps it's already possible and is only a limitation to Scid under OSX, I can't check now.) They build from the same source. Drag drop and contextual menus are cool, but they're only tricks. NO. In an ideal GUI they're actually centre of the whole thing. Unfortunately, it is quite a task to do it properly. (That you feel they are only a trick may
Re: [Scid-users] Database Switcher in Gamelist window ?
On 01/16/2011 03:25 PM, Benoit St-Pierre wrote: Hi! In contemporary GUI, these kinds of switchers are in a menu. Think editors, browsers, etc. Scids menues are quite long already an one might not forget that the DB switcher offers additional information and functios e.g. your beloved context menu, dragdrop copy and so on. So moving it to a menu is IMHO not possible without loosing very handsome functionality. Finally, maybe a repetition: scid is no editor or no webbrowser, it is a database application. This brings some thins along with it. (E.g. dd copy like Scids would not make any sens in an editor ;) cu Alexander -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Database Switcher in Gamelist window ?
On 01/16/2011 01:26 PM, Steven wrote: Hi! I thought yesterday that perhaps the database switcher belongs in the bottom of the gamelist widget. Gerd doesn't agree. Gregor (scidb) does. I don't either. But in undocked mode, it can easily get temporarily lost. Ctrl-D fires it up again. So having it get lost is IMHO not an issue. BTW: maybe I'm the only one who sees it that way, but as Scid restores window sizes and positions nicely, in classic mode you actually get something like a docked mode, but with quick keyboard and mouse navigation. As i've started to have more databases, it's become more of an issue, Right. You definitely need it if you're using a bunch of dbs. I coded the changes and it's in scidvspc svn if anyone wants to trial. I tend to think it's better in the gamelist widget, as it makes database management very easy, but i'm not 100% convinced yet. The gamelist widget is normally fairly wide anyway, and this means the database switcher can be reorganised to always fit on one line. I had just a quick look, and I still agree with my first impression that it's better suited for it's own window. I think placing it in the games list requires you to have all dbs in a row while you can use a more quadratic window otherwise. Depending on screen layout this could save you some valuable space. As I need this switcher all the time, having it in the games list will require me to have this window open all the time. Usually, I really don't need the games list at all so it stays closed and I fire it up only if I have something to do there. Ctrl-L is my friend. Now, the games ist is a pretty large window as you already noticed. Why don't I need the games list that much? Well, most of my stuff is analysing CC games and there the gameslist will show precisely one game anyway. This informatio is also displayed in the main and pgn window. The metadata is available easily in the game info area, so no need for the big games list floating around. For game browsing I usually come from the best games windows(s). Its very quick to fire up the DB switcher if needs be, just in case it got lost you can easily recover it. If you bind it into the games list you deprive the user to move it around freely. Especially as the games list is pretty large you require quite a lot of precious space and it even doesn't fit anywhere anymore. (The use case of the very popular netbooks comes into mind where you don't have 1900x1600 pixels or more.) cu Alexander -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] R: Re: Filter trap - Corner case?
On 01/15/2011 10:05 PM, Axel Moser wrote: Hi! I second that - exactly thats the way I used chessbase to prepare for opponents and imo it makes sense to decouple tree window and game filter lists, as you suggested. ...cf. Re: to Gerd. On a side note, it would also be cool if there was a way to merge tree games (lets say annotated super gm games) with the one loaded - including annotations - i can only merge the moves, the annotations don't get merged. But maybe I'm just doing this wrong? No, you don't do anything wrong here. Currently it indeed does not merge the variations and comments. This is on the wishlist but once the topic came up last (while ago) it was stated that this is not trivial. From the code I know I tend to agree to this judgement. Probably there will be some solution. (Maybe we find a diligent programer who wants to take this job?) cu Alexander -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] R: Re: Filter trap - Corner case?
On 01/15/2011 09:21 PM, Gerd Lorscheid wrote: Hi! here you can see the difference how we work. When I prepare an opening I load a new game, and play the moves of the opening. At the same time I follow in the game window the matching games. I copy till here, though I use best games window(s) instead of the games list for this. This relates to the fact that I usually check at least two distinct DBs (OTB and CC). That is usually I do not even have the games list opened at all. I really fire it up by ctlr-l only in case I do db editing where I run a bunch of header searches in sequence, e.g. to attach bibliographic linking or the like. There might be a well commented one, a game of a good player playing the same kind of positions as me etc. To get this info I do not want to click anywhere let's say after every move. Copy that as well. I can do this with Chessbase and I can do it with Scid, if I open a tree window of my large database. When I prepare for the next opponent I go through the opening I play and watch in the game list the games of my opponent. This is where your filter patch comes in very handy, indeed. So I can see where he is leaving my preparations. If I have to click here and there every move to get this information, I will get mad. Hm, well, probably not mad but searching for improvement ;) So the possibility to filter the games list automatically by the current position is essential. Right. This is what Fulvio refers to search current board. What I find a wrong idea is to connect the existence of the tree window with the filtering in the game list. This is what I would like to decouple. And here I do not entirly understand this decoupling. If I have the tree window opened I notice that Scid is actually searching the tree, updating for the current position. I also see possible alternatives to the move I might consider myself, and I understand what's going on inside. Now with this decoupling you suggest: would that mean that the games list is _always_ updated for the current board position? Ie. an automatic tree search? And this all the time? Though I've opend my tree windows all the time I indeed freeze them from time to time if I'm working on games further down the road where the DB actually ended. If I miss freezing them Scid indeed gets pretty slow due to the ongoing searching. The other point is, if you're e.g. on the above DB editing you run a header search for some event or a player or whatever. Surely you'd want to freeze the game list with the result you obtained and it should not update at all but stay at your results for otherwise you'd have to rerun the search all the time. That is, quite some work is actually not related to the current position. Btw: did (historically) the tree alway update the games list? cu Alexander -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Filter trap - Corner case?
On 01/15/2011 05:55 PM, f...@libero.it wrote: Hi! I'm sorry, i probably didn't get your point right. Are you saying that the actual behavior: a tree window that shows the stats for the entire unfiltered database and only the best games for the partial filtered database is an intended feature!?! Right. The tree statistics currently refers to all games in the base while the best games gets the filter applied. Currently if you're searching for a player your tree does NOT reflect that players repertoir. What if i want to look at a list of games of an opponent, and at how the top players (Carlsen, Aronian, Kramnik, etc...) played that position? Well, I feel you've to resort to the way how it was done all day long: search for the players you're interested, copy their games to (at least) the clipbase and use that base' tree against your opponents game. IMHO there're quite some reasons why you end up with more that just one reference base IRL. This is just one of them. Wouldn't it be simpler to just open a different tree window with only the games of an opponent (so you have stats and best games only for his games and at the same time the ability to check your full database for stats and best games of other players)? If I got Gerd correcly once he supplied the filter patch, it would be easily possible to have the tree doing it's bean counting only against the filtered games. (Gerd, you might want to comment on this yourself, you're the expert here.) The question arises indeed if this would not be the more logical behaviour, following the filter logic. If I recall correctly one argument against it was that you might actually not be interested in your opponents repertoir but in the best move in your database. And this doesn't get displayed if you filter the tree stats. (Side note: in Scid all those things were called searches till now, probably this has some meaning.) cu Alexander BTW: for pure technical reasons and make it easier to follow discussions, it would be great if all members of this list could switch their email programs to use standard subject quoting (ie. Re: and nothing else) and get them to correctly handle threads. TIA! -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Filter trap - Corner case?
On 01/16/2011 03:31 AM, f...@libero.it wrote: Hi! It is funny, but maybe we are saying the same thing :-) Right. As far as I follow the discussion the argument is between using games list for everything or best games. At least in many areas. 1) Opening study. I have a study database where i open a new game to enter the opening moves. Then i open the big database as a tree to show stats and interesting games. It's the same as you do, except that i use the best games window instead of the game list window and i will save my analysis before closing scid. Why i prefer the best games window? Because its ordered and it's related to the stats. Agree. Thats why I use it as well. As far as I get it Gerds main complaint about the best games is that it is quite limited compared to the games list. One point I actually don't like myself is, that I can't remove a dupe once I find it in the best games. Also it doesn't show all infos the games list shows. (E.g. to find a commented game you'd at least have to run current cvs, up to 4.2.2 no flags were displayed in the best games.) Here I'm not sure, however, if his suggestions are not missusing the games list and in the end rise confusion. Honestly i don't use the simple average elo of players for ordering games, but i'm tinkering with a penalty system that subtract to the average elo penalties for old games, early draws, blitz and blindfold games, difference of players elo, uncommented game. I'd be greatly interested in this. You mused about this some time ago and IMHO average elo really needs some improvement. It's very difficult to find a good balance between this penalties that makes the best games go up on the list, but i found it quite acceptable and better than the unordered game list window. What are you using? The study and big database example should clarify why i say that the games list window is not logically related with the tree window. In my case i'm working on the study database so correctly the game list window is not touched by the tree window. Same to me. 2) Looking at a tournament. I keep updated the big database with twic pgns, and sometimes i like to watch games of a given tournament. So i open my big database and filter it accordingly. But when looking at an interesting game, if i open a tree window to check the stats of an interesting opening, my filter was lost. This is indeed a bad side effect of automatic games list updates. I experience this as well (see my other mail). 3) Opponent preparation I usually open the big database and filter for searching the games of my opponent (with the color he will play). Than drag it to the clipboard and open two tree window: one for the full big database and one for the clipboard. %s/clipboard/clipbase/g Wording is difficult here. So I have stats for the full database and the stats only for my future opponent. I can see at the same time the teoretical lines and the lines usually played by my opponent. In one best tree games window i can see the most interesting games of best players, and in other the games of my opponent. I think this is supposed to be the default Scid workflow since a long time. However, I feel most people do not realise the clipbase. Btw: using the clipbase here would not work out for me as actually the CC functions rely on the clipbase quite a bit for game synchronisation. So I'd have to use another base. 4) Correct tree behavior in my opinion As it has ever been, except that it shouldn't change the game list window. If it's useful, add a button in the game list window that automatically filter for the current position (that can be used even if the tree window is not opened) If this is what you mean with decouple, we perfectly agree. Agree, but there needs to be some way for the user to understand what he currently sees. I feel this is also important. So, probably having checkboxes in the games list that signify which filters are applied could work. Doing all this in the background might not. cu Alexander -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Filter trap - Corner case?
On 01/16/2011 11:31 AM, Gerd Lorscheid wrote: Hi! so things become clearer. Alexander and Steven are multi-window user and Joost and me are single window user. Steven wants to connect the switcher to the game list. For me as single window user it is connected anyway. But there is a problem for multi. The switcher is also related to the main window as the current game does switch with the actual database. And with the changes I planning the game list is no longer dependent on the switcher. Last point is that multi window users like Alexander don't use the game list window in favor of the browser as stated below. Steven, you should think twice. I admit I can not follow entirely why you see a difference between having muliple windows and multiple tabs in the logic of a program. Filtering on the tree data. In my private code I have a hack. If the database is larger than 100.000 games it creates a statistic only on those games with rating 2300. Though I understand the filerting as such, I usually do this by having StatBase and RefBase. The latter is the really big thing. StatBase is much smaller, cleaned of dupes in the sense that every game that has the same moves is a dupe regardless of metadata. (Not much sense in counting a move twice if the games are identical. Try to drop GM draws etc. here.) The reason for RefBase to exist is actually that it may very well contain real dupes, e.g. if I have by some chance the same game several times annotated by different persons you'll find it in RefBase, but not in StatBase. Also StatBase uses a bit a softer limit as you suggest. I usually generate it from time to time by copy RefBase, dedupe it like mentioned and then drop games where both oppoents are below $threshold or if one opponent meets the $threshold but the other is far below. (E.g. with a 2400 threshold +-200: 2400:2400 is included as well as 2400:2300 while 2400:1800 is not.) A very nice side effect of this cleansing is that StatBase is pretty fast. A good question is how a clean implementation could look like. Again the search filter of the database should not be misused for this as it has its own useful purpose. One possibility could be a minimum rating field in the tree window or just a flag with a hardcoded limit or the possibility to set a full or some attributes of the header mask... I am open to alternatives here. Hard coded limits do not work that well, I think. I'm also not sure if it's entirely easy to do it all on the fly or if it's not a better approach to reduce a large refbase to a statbase in the sense mentioned above by more automatised means as I do it now. (But in my slow world, I admit that I do it only once a year, so I never worked on implementing any code for this.) cu Alexander -- Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. Understand malware threats, the impact they can have on your business, and how you can protect your company and customers by using code signing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Scid-users mailing list Scid-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scid-users
Re: [Scid-users] Filter trap - Corner case?
On 01/12/2011 11:35 PM, Joost 't Hart wrote: Hi! So the program behaves correct. Well, my initial impression was different, because I could not find any way to load another game; until I realized that closing the tree window might help. This is a problem where I currently can't see a really good solution. With the filter patch enabled we get a (IMHO) very useful function, e.g. it is possible to restrict the games list to those games in a given position with a given player. However, at the moment you actually need to know what you did for you to know which filters are enabled so you can understand what is displayed. E.g. you do a header search for all games by Kasparov. The games window shows all games by him. All right. same behaviour as in all version of Scid. You clean the the header search, al games are back. In the backend you have the db filter working for this. Now the same with some position on board and the tree opened. This gets the tree filter working. If you look up the games list you get all games that match the current position. Sensible as well. Once you close the tree window all games are back as the tree filter is cleaned. Finally, you open the tree window, go to some position, and initiate a header search. Now you'll get the logical AND of the header search and the tree search in your games list. Very sensible as well. You can clean either filter by closing the tree window or cleaning the filter by the button respectively. (The first question that arises here is if clean filter should also clean the tree filter. I think no.) This is again all very logical. However, things get a bit messy if you have more than one base opened and freeze the tree of some base at a given position and initiate different header searches for different bases. Say you analyse an opening and want to see Kasparovs games from a OTB database and compare it with some games of Ulrich Stefan in your CC database. So you've two header searches, one against your OTB database for Kasparov, one for your CC database for Stefan, and just in case if you happen to analyse one of your own ongoing CC games even a third one initiated hidden to you entirely by Scids CC functions. Given, that header searches can be quite complex and even ran in sequence using booleans you might end up with a very complex query where you actually don't even know what you asked for, unless you keep a sheet of paper and a pencil handy and jot it down. An especially difficult case is probably, that the tree statistics is calculated for the full base while the best games window applies the db filter, so if you count up the games in the tree you get more than you see in the best games. Nothing wrong with any of this, but it is hard to grasp, indeed, and we should think of a way to tell the user more precisely what he currently sees. (I admit, that if I wake up my notebook from hiberantion in the evening to track recent changes in my CC games it might very well happen that I don't know what filters I initiated yesterday, so I actually close down quite a bit and reopen it to come to a known state again.) Currently the tree filter is still active, if the tree window is disabled. What do you mean by disabled? I think close the tree window. It is just not updated. The main thing that puzzles me is what can cause the tree filter to result in no games (in tree window and game list). I feel that this should never happen, unless I am in a position that has not been added to the base yet. I mean, if the filter is not changed by the start position change than the original game should still be there (although it does not contain the position on the board). If the filter _is_ changed by that action, than the current game should be in the list, as it does contain the position on the board. Maybe the filter _result_ should be updated as soon as I save the game to the base? Or is that tricky to implement? I can check this. There's also another update missing for the best games as I noticed recently. (Ie. it gets no update if you initiate a header search unless the tree changes.) It may be a better idea it close the filter and recreate it when the window is enabled again. So you do not need to close it. The second interesting possibility is to decouple the filter of the game list and the existence of the tree window. I am not really sure that this is the solution, as this introduces yet another result list. A switch at the bottom of the list window could enable/disable the filtering of its games independent whether a statistic window is open. Then you could disable the filter there. Yes, maybe. But the user needs a full grasp of the filter cascading mechanism in order to understand that the alternative Search/Reset filter operation does not help (as this clears only the filter that he explicitly set himself - and I did not do this). Agree. I could actually introduce a clean tree
