Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: arstechnica: "CentOS is gone-but RHEL is now free for up to 16 production servers"
Is that buckshot intended for me? From: Konstantin Olchanski Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 5:11 PM To: Queen, Steven Z. (GSFC-5910) Cc: Mailing list for Scientific Linux users worldwide Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: arstechnica: "CentOS is gone-but RHEL is now free for up to 16 production servers" On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 07:04:14PM +, Queen, Steven Z. (GSFC-5910) wrote: > > Appropriately, it was IBM that invented FUD as a sales-technique in the first > place. > Alarming that IBM FUD is working against IBM. Decline of the mighty. Boeing airplanes only fly down, NASA rockets cannot go to the Moon, etc. -- Konstantin Olchanski Data Acquisition Systems: The Bytes Must Flow! Email: olchansk-at-triumf-dot-ca Snail mail: 4004 Wesbrook Mall, TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., V6T 2A3, Canada
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: arstechnica: "CentOS is gone-but RHEL is now free for up to 16 production servers"
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 07:04:14PM +, Queen, Steven Z. (GSFC-5910) wrote: > > Appropriately, it was IBM that invented FUD as a sales-technique in the first > place. > Alarming that IBM FUD is working against IBM. Decline of the mighty. Boeing airplanes only fly down, NASA rockets cannot go to the Moon, etc. -- Konstantin Olchanski Data Acquisition Systems: The Bytes Must Flow! Email: olchansk-at-triumf-dot-ca Snail mail: 4004 Wesbrook Mall, TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., V6T 2A3, Canada
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: arstechnica: "CentOS is gone-but RHEL is now free for up to 16 production servers"
Appropriately, it was IBM that invented FUD as a sales-technique in the first place. From: owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov on behalf of Konstantin Olchanski Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 1:39 PM To: Konstantin Olchanski Cc: Mailing list for Scientific Linux users worldwide Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: arstechnica: "CentOS is gone-but RHEL is now free for up to 16 production servers" > From the Arstechnica URL: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Farstechnica.com-5Fgadgets-5F2021-5F01-5Fcentos-2D2Dis-2D2Dgone-2D2Dbut-2D2Drhel-2D2Dis-2D2Dnow-2D2Dfree-2D2Dfor-2D2Dup-2D2Dto-2D2D16-2D2Dproduction-2D2Dservers-5F-2526d-253DDwIDaQ-2526c-253DgRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA-2526r-253Dgd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-2DP-2DpgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A-2526m-253D5UNRADR6PpQVqP97Jl4VT9V4oTZCHRSZp5Php98SpHI-2526s-253DHmS-2DgVxXfw2RalHvyfiHtb9c1M1J1HQ20J613PRjRDE-2526e-253D-26amp-3Bdata-3D04-257C01-257Csteven.z.queen-2540nasa.gov-257C9ec8d33691f84930abe208d8be3c854f-257C7005d45845be48ae8140d43da96dd17b-257C0-257C0-257C637468514464061623-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C3000-26amp-3Bsdata-3DeUr0m2bodhE8ZZtQGn5jxmPJAe2iC-252F7PfEZYSB6lG8Y-253D-26amp-3Breserved-3D0=DwIFAw=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A=LF3Zd4-GBvyEuqYcCI7JNYFrWVXf1yt6W6ISYQxRz-0=2R4Esv0FTU4bh8O-gE_8M3M5MoiJkOLOB-2TnSOqVe0= > Me, waiting for the dust to settle, still too much BS and FUD flying around right now: - articles titled "rhel is now free" with small print "... starting in february..." - cost of managing licences counted under "free" - artificial limits of 16 systems (what if I need 17 for a couple of days?) - red hat reported as officially stating "[this] ... isn't a fly-by-night ... program" (echoes of Mr.Nixon famously saying "I am not a crook") - false dichotomies of individual vs team users, development vs production systems - "free this year", next year, a maybe. I think I will convert my one Centos-8 machine to the "starting in february" free rhel license, just to experience the "new and improved". P.S. And what about CentOS/RHEL on ARM? Today, we run CentOS-7 on ARM just fine, but going forward? Does somebody expect us to run ARM with Raspbian/Debian/Ubuntu, but stick with RHEL on x86? Really? In our detector lab, ARM machines just about outnumber x86 machines. The direction that is going, maybe red hat got it right and the "16 systems" limit will be a non-issue. -- Konstantin Olchanski Data Acquisition Systems: The Bytes Must Flow! Email: olchansk-at-triumf-dot-ca Snail mail: 4004 Wesbrook Mall, TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., V6T 2A3, Canada
Re: arstechnica: "CentOS is gone—but RHEL is now free for up to 16 production servers"
> From the Arstechnica URL: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__arstechnica.com_gadgets_2021_01_centos-2Dis-2Dgone-2Dbut-2Drhel-2Dis-2Dnow-2Dfree-2Dfor-2Dup-2Dto-2D16-2Dproduction-2Dservers_=DwIDaQ=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A=5UNRADR6PpQVqP97Jl4VT9V4oTZCHRSZp5Php98SpHI=HmS-gVxXfw2RalHvyfiHtb9c1M1J1HQ20J613PRjRDE= Me, waiting for the dust to settle, still too much BS and FUD flying around right now: - articles titled "rhel is now free" with small print "... starting in february..." - cost of managing licences counted under "free" - artificial limits of 16 systems (what if I need 17 for a couple of days?) - red hat reported as officially stating "[this] ... isn't a fly-by-night ... program" (echoes of Mr.Nixon famously saying "I am not a crook") - false dichotomies of individual vs team users, development vs production systems - "free this year", next year, a maybe. I think I will convert my one Centos-8 machine to the "starting in february" free rhel license, just to experience the "new and improved". P.S. And what about CentOS/RHEL on ARM? Today, we run CentOS-7 on ARM just fine, but going forward? Does somebody expect us to run ARM with Raspbian/Debian/Ubuntu, but stick with RHEL on x86? Really? In our detector lab, ARM machines just about outnumber x86 machines. The direction that is going, maybe red hat got it right and the "16 systems" limit will be a non-issue. -- Konstantin Olchanski Data Acquisition Systems: The Bytes Must Flow! Email: olchansk-at-triumf-dot-ca Snail mail: 4004 Wesbrook Mall, TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., V6T 2A3, Canada
Re: arstechnica: "CentOS is gone—but RHEL is now free for up to 16 production servers"
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 12:49 AM Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 12:12 AM Serguei Mokhov wrote: > > > > arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/01/centos-is-gone-but-rhel-is-now-free-for-up-to-16-production-servers > > > > Thoughts? Someone noticed that almost *no one* wants RHEL 8, and is trying to get some kind of deployment numbers, even for unpaid subscriptions. This is a replay of what happened with Red Hat 9 back in 2003. I expect a name change of some sort for the next major release and hopefully a reversion to cooperating with open source point releases.
Re: arstechnica: "CentOS is gone—but RHEL is now free for up to 16 production servers"
NB: "We" below refers to the Arstechnica persons. The solution below seems to be at no cost, but will not address a university, CERN, Fermilab, etc., multiple copy deployment as this exceeds the IBM RH "no fee" limit. Presumably there is some mechanism to prevent no fee use of the deployable RHEL distro for too many instances per site. Would Epel, ElRepo, etc., be supporting the distro below as was the case for the various EL non-RH distros (such as SL)? Does anyone know additional details, etc., beyond what appears below. From the Arstechnica URL: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__arstechnica.com_gadgets_2021_01_centos-2Dis-2Dgone-2Dbut-2Drhel-2Dis-2Dnow-2Dfree-2Dfor-2Dup-2Dto-2D16-2Dproduction-2Dservers_=DwIDaQ=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA=gd8BzeSQcySVxr0gDWSEbN-P-pgDXkdyCtaMqdCgPPdW1cyL5RIpaIYrCn8C5x2A=5UNRADR6PpQVqP97Jl4VT9V4oTZCHRSZp5Php98SpHI=HmS-gVxXfw2RalHvyfiHtb9c1M1J1HQ20J613PRjRDE= Considering the previous public outrage about CentOS 8's early demise, we reached out to Red Hat for clarification regarding availability guarantees—specifically, whether any guarantee was given that the terms of the free small-production use will stay valid for the length of general support for the RHEL version they cover. After some deliberation, this was the official answer: A Red Hat subscription gives you access to all available versions of Red Hat Enterprise Linux except for those in extended support. This access ends when the subscription ends, as does access to all related documentation, support, services, patches, etc., so it’s important to think about the subscription separately from the platform. The Red Hat Developer program isn't a fly-by-night or quickly-produced program; it has existed since early 2015 with multi-system deployments supported from 2018. The big change today is that now a small number of production systems can now be included under the subscription for individuals, but the program itself is tried and true. We've never removed anything from the program, only added to it, highlighted by today's announcement. The Individual Developer subscription is currently set up as a one year subscription. Renewals will be a simple process as close to "clicking a button" as possible. We have no intent to end this program and we’ve set it up to be sustainable—we want to keep giving the users that want to use RHEL access to it. The primary reason we need a subscription term is because it is legally difficult to offer unlimited terms globally and as new laws come into effect, for example GDPR, we need to be able to update the terms and conditions. This is similar to how our customers buy Red Hat subscriptions for fixed terms, not in perpetuity. Our intent is to keep small-production use cases as a key part of the Red Hat Developer program and the Individual Developer subscription to help bring enterprise-grade Linux to more users.  On 1/20/21 9:49 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 12:12 AM Serguei Mokhov wrote: arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/01/centos-is-gone-but-rhel-is-now-free-for-up-to-16-production-servers Thoughts? -- Serguei Mokhov
Re: arstechnica: "CentOS is gone—but RHEL is now free for up to 16 production servers"
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 12:12 AM Serguei Mokhov wrote: > > arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/01/centos-is-gone-but-rhel-is-now-free-for-up-to-16-production-servers > > Thoughts? > > -- > Serguei Mokhov
